Xavier in House of M

[Archer]

Someone help me out here. In House of M a big thing was made about people trying to find Xavier, and it turning out he was dead, but then his grave was empty.

The way I remember it, he just turned up powerless in Wales in Deadly Genesis.

Was there ever any explanation for it (why he was missing in House of M, why he turned up in Deadly Genesis as he did)? At the time I was interested, and then it kinda petered out, and I could never work out if it was a deliberate mystery, something I missed, or just a plot hole.

[Michael P]

Someone help me out here. In House of M a big thing was made about people trying to find Xavier, and it turning out he was dead, but then his grave was empty.

The way I remember it, he just turned up powerless in Wales in Deadly Genesis.

Was there ever any explanation for it (why he was missing in House of M, why he turned up in Deadly Genesis as he did)? At the time I was interested, and then it kinda petered out, and I could never work out if it was a deliberate mystery, something I missed, or just a plot hole.

Tell the man what he's won, Johnny.

[Jake V]

Someone help me out here. In House of M a big thing was made about people trying to find Xavier, and it turning out he was dead, but then his grave was empty.

The way I remember it, he just turned up powerless in Wales in Deadly Genesis.

Was there ever any explanation for it (why he was missing in House of M, why he turned up in Deadly Genesis as he did)? At the time I was interested, and then it kinda petered out, and I could never work out if it was a deliberate mystery, something I missed, or just a plot hole.

Xavier didn't exist in HoM world.

When Wanda reset reality back to the way it was, he was powerless and unable to contact his X-Men, so he decided to stay out of the picture until the reappearance of Vulcan forced him out of hiding.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

so how was HoM different than Age of Apoc? Xavier was missing from both...did Wanda just make Apoc do something else?

[The Fury]

so how was HoM different than Age of Apoc? Xavier was missing from both...did Wanda just make Apoc do something else?

More that Wanda increased the mutant population. In AoA the mutant population was still about the same.

Apocalypse in HoM ruled most of Africa I think.



On the topic of Xavier in Hom, as far as i took it, he was dead on HoM world. So what if his body was not at a memorial to him? It's a memorial, not a grave...unless, did it say "Here Lies..."?.

[Archer]

Xavier didn't exist in HoM world.

When Wanda reset reality back to the way it was, he was powerless and unable to contact his X-Men, so he decided to stay out of the picture until the reappearance of Vulcan forced him out of hiding.

Okay, I buy that he was hiding out in Wales because he was powerless (though it does seem kinda out of character for, you know, the spiritual leader of the X-Men)

But what was going on *during* HoM? If he "didn't exist" how come there was a memorial to him, his grave, etc? It seemed that in the HoM reality he had lived and then died; but his grave being empty seemed to point to him not being dead at all.

If Wanda just deleted him (which could make sense, in some kind of "you being around to fight my dad screwed things up" way), why leave his memory and monument and grave? If she wanted him to have lived and died, why not actually kill him and put his body in the ground?

The empty grave seemed to point very strongly to him being alive there somewhere, and I can't see how anything else makes any sense . . .

[Beast]

I assume he was missing because Wanda didn't actually 'kill' him for the new reality.

She just wiped him temporarily out of existance because he was supposed to be dead.

[The Fury]

why leave his memory and monument and grave? If she wanted him to have lived and died, why not actually kill him and put his body in the ground?. . .

Because Magento would not be the man he is without Xavier's memory. When he 'died' is unknown but it is ignored because Xavier wasn't needed and the heroes dependentcy on him quickly fell.

[Archer]

On the topic of Xavier in Hom, as far as i took it, he was dead on HoM world. So what if his body was not at a memorial to him? It's a memorial, not a grave...unless, did it say "Here Lies..."?.[/COLOR]

Checked it again, and I misremembered quite a bit.

In issue 6, when the assembled heroes start the big fight on Magneto & co, Layla goes with Cloak and Emma Frost to find Xavier. They go to the Xavier Memorial Garden ("He died so Genosha could live"), and Layla and Emma start freaking out. Cloak then goes underground and says there's "No coffin, no body. Just dirt" and that "it's not over yet".

Later on in issue 7, while Strange is trying to talk some sanity into Wanda and when he discovers Pietro was behind it all, Emma's only contribution to learning all this is to say "Ask her about Xavier. We need to find Xavier." Strange starts to ask, but his question is interruped by Hawkeye shooting her.

Soooo . . .

The fictional past of House of M is one in which Xavier lived, then died. (Not just didn't exist.) Other heroes (Mr Fantastic springs to mind) died in the fictional past as well, but the story makes a big deal about searching for Xavier, and his body not being where they would expect it to be. What's the point of all that? If he was dead in the HoM world, why no coffin or body - and if he was alive, where was he and why?

It's set up as a mystery (or rather seems to be) back in issue 4. As soon as Wolverine gets his memory back he makes a beeline for the Mansion, but the people there have lived there 15 years and have never heard of Xavier.

It wasn't just a throaway scene, "Where's Xavier?" was a subplot, which turned into "We think he's buried here but there isn't even any coffin . . . ask Wanda where he is! Oh shit, Magneto's back, let's fight."

[Archer]

Because Magento would not be the man he is without Xavier's memory. When he 'died' is unknown but it is ignored because Xavier wasn't needed and the heroes dependentcy on him quickly fell.

I can totally accept that Magneto needed to meet Xavier to become the person we know (a la Age of Apocalypse), but if he died in the House of M world where was his body? (Or was Cloak just looking through random bits of ground to find a body, and then being surprised it wasn't there?)

As for him not being needed and the heroes' dependancy on him falling . . . weeellll, the Avengers had no dependancy on him in the first place, and all the X-Men did was hit some people. If anything caused Wanda to flip things back, it was going over things with Strange, confronting Hawkeye, and then watching Magneto and Quicksilver lay into each other. It wasn't the heroes bravely standing without their mentor and fighting for a cause, etc.

[The Fury]

In issue 6, when the assembled heroes start the big fight on Magneto & co, Layla goes with Cloak and Emma Frost to find Xavier. They go to the Xavier Memorial Garden ("He died so Genosha could live"), and Layla and Emma start freaking out. Cloak then goes underground and says there's "No coffin, no body. Just dirt" and that "it's not over yet".

Soooo . . .

It wass just a memorial garden. There will be a memorial statue of e famous footballer outside Wembley. Doesn't mean he's buried there.

I remember why i though Cloak saying that was stupid now.

[Archer]

It wass just a memorial garden. There will be a memorial statue of e famous footballer outside Wembley. Doesn't mean he's buried there.

I remember why i though Cloak saying that was stupid now.


So the whole "Where's Xavier? Is he in the Mansion? Is he in the memorial? Strange, ask if Wanda's seen him!" thing was just a complete red herring?

Ugh.

[The Fury]

So the whole "Where's Xavier? Is he in the Mansion? Is he in the memorial? Strange, ask if Wanda's seen him!" thing was just a complete red herring?

Ugh.

Everything was. The whole thing shows the socalled heroes in a real bad light. Wolverine know's what is going on yet even he makes a presumption that is it Magneto. He tells a few and they go on a rampage, freeing minds and stuff and go head first into a situation they could'nt win nor did they know how to stop Wanda if they needed. Their Trump card was Xavier, the most powerful telepath on earth, they showed such dependentcy on him in the story. They sought him out and in the end the HoM ended with the heroes just be a side effect of a bigger plot.

[Rivka]

What about the three hooded figures in the church, and Xavier in the wheelchair in front of them, clearly one of them. Wolverine remembered this in HoM #3 and then shared this vision with all his allies.

My interpretation of it all was, at the time, that Xavier was powerless to stop Wanda and was being controlled by her, used by her to exercise her power world-wide. She shows Dr. Strange in HoM #9 that Pietro told her she and Xavier together could remake the world. Xavier's fate in HoM was the one part of the HoM reality that was not actually a new reality, but a fake reality, a fake story. He never died, and Pietro and Wanda knew it; he was their prisoner. Magneto seems not to have been aware of this.

When Wanda restored reality, and began "Decimation" Xavier was freed. How he got to Wales I have NO idea, since he was last seen in that church on Genosha. I'd like to think Wanda put him there, but can she have that much power?

What bothers me about all this now is that Xavier is (to me) one of the most powerful beings on Marvel Earth. I've said in other threads, he may be much more than a mutant. I don't see how Wanda trumps him, power wise. Unless he himself shut himself down, out of guilt or fear of himself losing control. At the moment Wanda took control, he was inside her mind, "checking on" her, as she says.

As to the empty "grave" -- I didn't think a thing about it. I figured, as Fury said, it was just a memorial and Xavier's body didn't exist in the HoM reality because the real Xavier (from the 616 reality) was under the control of Wanda and Pietro.

Anyway, echoing what Fury just posted; Logan sees Xavier in the church on Genosha in his memories, but immediately decides with the others that they all have to find Xavier to save the world from "Magneto." He doesn't consider for a moment what Xavier was doing there. None of them does.

I wonder how much HoM and Decimation can be blamed on Xavier's passivity, his refusal to deal with his immense powers. Did Wanda tap into the "Dark Xavier" part of him, in order to get his cooperation in creating the House of M reality, as well as Decimation?

I'm just theorizing, because I don't really know, and all we can do is guess about Xavier's role in House of M, where he was during House of M (physically) and how he got to Wales when Wanda restored 616 reality.