Uncanny X-Men #486 Review and Spoilers

[Brian Cronin]

Like the rest of this (TWELVE PARTS!! Wow!) storyline, the finale to The Rise and Fall of the Shi’ar Empire felt a bit disjointed and oddly paced. That being said, I think that this issue, combined with the previous issue (which was a strong action-packed issue), gave a reasonably appealing conclusion to this storyline.

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One of the biggest things that jumped out at me upon reading this issue was how strange it was to see the resolution to a twelve-part story be that, well, there was no resolution. There is no “ending,” but rather just a new status quo that will presumably show up in future stories. There is nothing wrong with that, per se, but it does seem a bit odd when you devote that many issues to a story and get basically, for more than half of the cast of the story, “To Be Continued…eventually.”

Writer Ed Brubaker does a great job, though, of picking WHICH part of the cast actually has a sort of resolution. It is rare to see a writer have an approach of “Okay, I want to keep these five and get rid of those five” and have it turn out in the comic as though the idea was a natural aspect of the story, rather than the writer deciding who he wanted to write. In the age of editorially driven stories, it is often quite a pain to explain why certain things occur (To wit, Ron Marz having Donna Troy taken from Green Lantern during Byrne’s Wonder Woman run, so he suddenly had to write her out of the book out of nowhere) without it appearing so blatant that it is happening for a reason OUTSIDE the story. I even have a term for it (coincidentally enough, the term is “outside writing (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2005/01/14/comic-dictionary-outside-writing/)“). Here, Brubaker manages to give the appearance as though it was simply a twist of fate that the X-Men were separated the way they got separated in the comic. It was really clever work on Brubaker’s part.

The artwork by Billy Tan certainly wasn’t GOOD, but it got the job done, more or less (okay, some times it just flat out didn’t even “get the job done,” like in a few of the many action scenes). Still, this book will be better off with the change in art team starting next issue.

The choice of character death in the issue was one of the stronger choices, in that it is one of those picks where, after it occurs, you think back, “Wow, yeah, that’s the only logical choice.” Except, of course, for big sword Shi’ar guy. He is ALWAYS the logical choice to kill off, but since he is such a recent creation, I can’t begrudge Brubaker allowing him to live for awhile (at least let a FUTURE writer kill him off).

Speaking of editorially driven stuff, it is amusing to note that Brubaker is technically reversing his OWN story with his Professor X bit, but of course, it most likely was not in Brubaker’s hands to remove Professor X’s powers, but simply something he was told happened. Still, it’s amusing to see him basically reverse HIMSELF in this issue.

The Vulcan/Havok stuff was odd - at first, it appeared as though we got the usual “the brothers powers don’t work against each other” routine (which is lame), but then it seemed like they DID work against each other - or something like that. Anyone care to explain that?

In any event, I enjoy the characters that Brubaker decided to bring back with him and I think the new status quo for the characters left in space is a strong one. The last sentence from the book is also an effective sound bite.

Overall, though, middling artwork by Billy Tan and a story that seemed more designed to give this storyline a decent ending than to tell an actual story combines to form an issue that I do not recommend. It is a decent issue, and it gives the story a decent ending, but I don’t think “decent” is good enough.

I do have hope that the next storyline is better. This IS Ed Brubaker we’re talking about here, the guy can obviously write!!

-Brian

Cross-posted on the blog (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/16/uncanny-x-men-486-review/).

[Daithi]

The Vulcan/Havok stuff was odd - at first, it appeared as though we got the usual “the brothers powers don’t work against each other” routine (which is lame), but then it seemed like they DID work against each other - or something like that. Anyone care to explain that?

I thought Vulcan was just deflecting Havok's power but the later he was too worn down to do so?

While the way the team got separated is organic I'm still not sure why the characters back on Earth are staying on Earth? Would Hepzibah really have nothing to live for and choose to stay on Earth all because Corsair is dead? She was with the Starjammers far longer than she was with Corsair. Not too mention why the Starjammer wouldn't go back to Earth for her.

Would stay Xavier really stay on Earth given the fact that he has his powers again and wouldn't be a liability?

[Brian Cronin]

I thought Vulcan was just deflecting Havok's power but the later he was too worn down to do so?

While the way the team got separated is organic I'm still not sure why the characters back on Earth are staying on Earth? Would Hepzibah really have nothing to live for and choose to stay on Earth all because Corsair is dead? She was with the Starjammers far longer than she was with Corsair. Not too mention why the Starjammer wouldn't go back to Earth for her.

Would stay Xavier really stay on Earth given the fact that he has his powers again and wouldn't be a liability?

I don't think we know enough about Hepzibah either way to really know exactly how she would react to Corsair's death. So I'm fine either way with her.

Professor X is an interesting point, though. You're right that it IS a bit odd that he does not wish to go back out to space, as, well, what has changed from his original reason to go out into space? If anything, he has MORE reason to leave now than he did when he FIRST organized the mission, no?

Perhaps he just has faith in Lilandra and Havok.

-Brian

[Brian Cronin]

I thought Vulcan was just deflecting Havok's power but the later he was too worn down to do so?

I think Brubaker's reasoning is that Vulcan is more powerful than Havok, and that he only matched Havok's power when Vulcan wasn't giving Havok his "full attention."

Later on, when he blasts Havok, I guess he WAS giving Havok his full attention?

I dunno...it was a bit confusing.

-Brian

[Daithi]

Perhaps he just has faith in Lilandra and Havok.
-Brian

See that's odd. Havok had an entire X-Team and their mission failed (basically). Vulcan now has an empire and the Imperial Guard with him.

I take Xavier and Rachel using their combined telepathy to defeat Vulcan would be far more effective than anything the Starjammers can do. We already know from Brubaker that Vulcan isn't great against telepathy.

It's a moot point now though as the team will be looking at something else now. However the reason for them going into space is still there and if anything is a bigger concern now.

[jmc247]

What did Lorna do?

Let me guess, wall paper again?

[Brian M.]

When it comes to the Vulcan/Havok power issues I think I got an explanation.

We've seen Vulcan control energy, redirect Cyclops's optic blasts and other energy sources, so when Havok's blasts weren't working that could just be that Vulcan was getting control of them. When they worked it was Havok slipping one in on him. I know it's not a perfect explanation but it seems to fit in my head.

The one thing I am looking forward to seeing is Xavier/Cyclops conversation. Unless Brubaker is gonna slide this in when the Astonishing team is in space...then I'm gonna be a little sad.

[Daithi]

The one thing I am looking forward to seeing is Xavier/Cyclops conversation. Unless Brubaker is gonna slide this in when the Astonishing team is in space...then I'm gonna be a little sad.

Wasn't Beast the one who showed Xavier the tape? So Cyclops must be around somewhere.

[Brian M.]

Wasn't Beast the one who showed Xavier the tape? So Cyclops must be around somewhere.

Good point. I look forward to #487.

[Beast]

Given how Xavier's been written lately, including by Brubaker, deciding not to go back isn't a huge surprise.

Xavier: "Welp, got my powers back. Screw everyone else." *Hugs himself* "Mmm, Me!"

[streator]

could someone post where all the characters end up after this issue? i have a general idea but i'd appreciate it if someone could confirm everything.

[dreyson]

As a conclusion to a 12 part story, that really bad. I hope Vulcan never returns and the Stajammers kill him inbetween this issue and the next issue and return to Earth.

I hope Alex, Lorna and Rachel come back soon. They're my favorite characters in Uncanny.

I don't get how Vulcan's powers work on Alex when Alex and Scott's powers cancel each other out. Unless that means Vulcan really isn't a Summers. Which would be great.

[Beast]

could someone post where all the characters end up after this issue? i have a general idea but i'd appreciate it if someone could confirm everything.
Corsair - Dead
Rachel, Havok, Polaris - Stuck in Space. Joined the Starjammers.
Hepzibah - Stuck on Earth.
Xavier, Nightcrawler, Warpath, Darwin - Back on Earth.

[Beast]

As a conclusion to a 12 part story, that really bad. I hope Vulcan never returns and the Stajammers kill him inbetween this issue and the next issue and return to Earth.

I hope Alex, Lorna and Rachel come back soon. They're my favorite characters in Uncanny.

I don't get how Vulcan's powers work on Alex when Alex and Scott's powers cancel each other out. Unless that means Vulcan really isn't a Summers. Which would be great.
Not all characters who are related are immune to their relatives powers.

Scott and Havok's powers are just similar enough that they each absorb their respective energies.

[Christopher O]

I don't get how Vulcan's powers work on Alex when Alex and Scott's powers cancel each other out. Unless that means Vulcan really isn't a Summers. Which would be great.
Just because something is true of Alex and Scott doesn't mean it's true of Vulcan. Besides, that's one of the stupidest concepts ever introduced. Seriously, I hope it's never brought up again.

[Daithi]

Good point. I look forward to #487.

Unless Xavier just mindwipes everyone and makes them forget about it. ;)

[streator]

Corsair - Dead
Rachel, Havok, Polaris - Stuck in Space. Joined the Starjammers.
Hepzibah - Stuck on Earth.
Xavier, Nightcrawler, Warpath, Darwin - Back on Earth.

stuck how?

was xavier repowered?

what happened with vulcan, deathbird, gladiator and lilandra?

[Beast]

Unless Xavier just mindwipes everyone and makes them forget about it. ;)
Like someone said yesterday...

Xavier: "Scott... I've got my powers back. Now dance puppet, dance!"

[Beast]

stuck how?

was xavier repowered?

what happened with vulcan, deathbird, gladiator and lilandra?
The jumpship was sent back to Earth without Havok, Polaris, and Rachel by Lilandra. And if I recall correctly, the jumpgates are still mostly off-line. So unless they locate another ship with it's own warpdrive, they're stuck. But they also decided to stay instead of returning, to lead the resistance against Vulcan.

Yes, Xavier was repowered somehow due to the M'Kraan Crystal. :p

Vulcan fled with Deathbird after she was injured during the battle. I believe that Gladiator and the Imperial Guard are still on his side. As for Lilandra, she's sticking with the Starjammers/Resistance. They want to get her back on the Shi'ar Throne, after they deal with Vulcan and Deathbird.

[streator]

The jumpship was sent back to Earth without Havok, Polaris, and Rachel by Lilandra. And if I recall correctly, the jumpgates are still mostly off-line. So unless they locate another ship with it's own warpdrive, they're stuck. But they also decided to stay instead of returning, to lead the resistance against Vulcan.

Yes, Xavier was repowered somehow due to the M'Kraan Crystal. :p

Vulcan fled with Deathbird after she was injured during the battle. I believe that Gladiator and the Imperial Guard are still on his side. As for Lilandra, she's sticking with the Starjammers/Resistance. They want to get her back on the Shi'ar Throne, after they deal with Vulcan and Deathbird.

thanks beast.

[Scipio72002]

Does Brubaker plan on dealing with them after the Morlock storyline or just leaving them there? I wish Rachel would have come back, I really like her. Did she also stay for Korvus? and are Lorna and Havok together again? Thanks

[Beast]

Does Brubaker plan on dealing with them after the Morlock storyline or just leaving them there? I wish Rachel would have come back, I really like her. Did she also stay for Korvus? and are Lorna and Havok together again? Thanks
From what was said during Comic Con, Brubaker has no plans to deal with them.

He's shunting them off to limbo, and maybe someone else will pick up the story.

[phoenixV]

Does Brubaker plan on dealing with them after the Morlock storyline or just leaving them there? I wish Rachel would have come back, I really like her. Did she also stay for Korvus? and are Lorna and Havok together again? Thanks

I asked Brubaker at the X-Panel at Wizard World what would happen to those left behind - would there be a spinoff series or would they be in limbo. He said they would be in limbo and in a few years some write may eventually pickup the story.

He was asked about a Starjammers series earlier and said he didn't want to write it and said Chris Yost should. According to Jim McMann from Marvel Marketing at Wizard World, there isn't a Starjammers series in development either, but there might be one if there is enough demand.

I suppose after leaving three X-Men in space Marvel thinks there will be demand.

[TimGunn]

I totally like this issue. when Professor Xaiver got his powers nack, I was like.. WHU!?!?!?! NO you didn Bru. LOL

I think that it would be cool if they picked up Vulcan and the Starjammers as the third part of the Annihilation story, you know after Conquest is over.

Also, Korvus cut Deathbird's wings off (at the bottom). Aweseom.

Anyone know what Tan will be doing next? I know Clayton Henry is going over to Exiles.

[ClanAskani]

That's what really gets me - why leave them in space then? There is so much more going on right now with Endangered Species and the X-Event that these characters could be involved in, not stuck in space until someone finally decides to deal with them.

The fight at the end wasn't lost. There wasn't any reason to leave Rachel, Alex and Lorna behind. If they had worked together, they could have stopped Vulcan.

It's not as bad of an ending as something like the tv show Angel where it just ended. But them failing makes it almost worse, when we've got a write like Mike Carey saying he wants to do the Rachel and Nathan reunion and now he can't because Rachel's back in limbo.

[Christopher O]

They may have been left simply because none of the writers wanted to use them and room needed to be made for those they did want to use. The X-World is crowded, after all. Seriously, they could've killed them instead. This seems like a less controversial and more convenient alternative.

[Beast]

They may have been left simply because none of the writers wanted to use them and room needed to be made for those they did want to use. The X-World is crowded, after all. Seriously, they could've killed them instead. This seems like a less controversial and more convenient alternative.
With Brubaker's bloodthirsty nature, I'm surprised he didn't kill them. :p

[Karthak]

So, Vulcan killed his own father did he? Hard to believe I used to symphatize with the guy. Oh well, at least I have one more name to put up on my hate list.

[jarrod]

It's a shame, as Rachel would've made for a neat switch to Carey's team given (a) they'll be needing a psychic after Regan turns (b) the potential for sibling interaction with Cable (though he's exiting soon) and (c) she was pretty close to Rogue once upon a time.

[Hi-Fi]

It's a shame, as Rachel would've made for a neat switch to Carey's team given (a) they'll be needing a psychic after Regan turns (b) the potential for sibling interaction with Cable (though he's exiting soon) and (c) she was pretty close to Rogue once upon a time.
Rachel would be completely lost in Carey's team. And she was never close to Rogue. They used to argue all the time.

[kate-pryde]

Carey said he would love to have Rachel on his team. It would be interesting to see her get involved in what's going on with Nathan, since there has been such limited interaction between them since Cable's solo series ended.

Even if they didn't want to use them right now, leaving them in space makes it more cumbersome for another write to pick them up, since there still Vulcan is still out there and they have have to find a way to get back to Earth.

Had they all come home, a different group could get involved in whatever is going on with the Morlocks. It's not like the exact same team would automatically go together as a group on the next mission.

At least that way, if another writer wanted to option to use them, at least they wouldn't have to come up with some way to get around them being stranded in space again.

[Beast]

Rachel would be completely lost in Carey's team. And she was never close to Rogue. They used to argue all the time.
Doesn't mean they're not friends. Most X-Men argue regularly.

[Daithi]

Rachel would be completely lost in Carey's team. And she was never close to Rogue. They used to argue all the time.

I'd think she would fit the Cable/Psylocke role that Carey is using to be honest. Besides it's a team with Lady Mastermind and Sabretooth on it. Arguing with Rogue 20 years ago is hardly an issue.

[Hi-Fi]

Carey said he would love to have Rachel on his team.
He said he'd like to write her interacting with Cable. The way you guys are talking, sounds like she was always meant to be on his team, which was never the plan.

[Hi-Fi]

Doesn't mean they're not friends. Most X-Men argue regularly.
Rachel and Kitty used to make fun at Rogue. Rachel even attacked her. Kitty is a great friend nowadays. Rachel, not so much. They like each other, sure. But friends? I don't see it.

I'd think she would fit the Cable/Psylocke role that Carey is using to be honest.
Sure she would, in terms of powers. But she has no connections with the team members (except for Cable, which role she'd be taking) or a reason to be in that particular team, in my opinion.

I'd love to see her guest-starring, though. I love the Weinberg issues where Cabla brings her back and they bond.

[Hi-Fi]

I'd think she would fit the Cable/Psylocke role that Carey is using to be honest. Besides it's a team with Lady Mastermind and Sabretooth on it. Arguing with Rogue 20 years ago is hardly an issue.
I'm just saying tehy're not close friends, as it was suggested.;)

[Beast]

He said he'd like to write her interacting with Cable. The way you guys are talking, sounds like she was always meant to be on his team, which was never the plan.
Plans change. Cable was never meant to be on the team either.

[dellicious]

Rachel and Kitty used to make fun at Rogue. Rachel even attacked her. Kitty is a great friend nowadays. Rachel, not so much. They like each other, sure. But friends? I don't see it.


Sure she would, in terms of powers. But she has no connections with the team members (except for Cable, which role she'd be taking) or a reason to be in that particular team, in my opinion.

I'd love to see her guest-starring, though. I love the Weinberg issues where Cabla brings her back and they bond.

exactly
i really dont want rachel on mike's team
im tired of hearing the same arguments about him wanting to use her, no plans for the starjammers yadda yadda. it's like the same 3 or 4 people posting the same things over and over again
from this thread and the previews thread and even at some other boards i go to, can we move on?

[jarrod]

Rachel would be completely lost in Carey's team. And she was never close to Rogue. They used to argue all the time.
They'd butt heads, but pre-Excalibur, I'd say Rachel was probably closer to Rogue than any of the other X-Man, for whatever that's worth. Rogue still wasn't all too close to anyone herself at that point, besides maybe Logan.

And really, with Carey's team slimming down this fall/winter, there'd be plenty of room for Ray to come in. Even as is though, she's unique enough among the current cast to stand out.

[Daithi]

exactly
i really dont want rachel on mike's team
im tired of hearing the same arguments about him wanting to use her, no plans for the starjammers yadda yadda. it's like the same 3 or 4 people posting the same things over and over again
from this thread and the previews thread and even at some other boards i go to, can we move on?

Sure there's nothing stopping you bringing something different up about the issue.

[Beast]

exactly
i really dont want rachel on mike's team
im tired of hearing the same arguments about him wanting to use her, no plans for the starjammers yadda yadda. it's like the same 3 or 4 people posting the same things over and over again
from this thread and the previews thread and even at some other boards i go to, can we move on?
No. But you're welcome to.

[kate-pryde]

Rachel and Kitty used to make fun at Rogue. Rachel even attacked her. Kitty is a great friend nowadays. Rachel, not so much. They like each other, sure. But friends? I don't see it.


Sure she would, in terms of powers. But she has no connections with the team members (except for Cable, which role she'd be taking) or a reason to be in that particular team, in my opinion.

I'd love to see her guest-starring, though. I love the Weinberg issues where Cabla brings her back and they bond.

Rogue and Rachel interacted more than Kitty and Rachel did from Uncanny 184-209. Rogue was very much a big sister to Rachel. Ray got pissed at Rogue because she didn't like hearing the truth, but that didn't mean they weren't close.

Rachel has been teammates for a while now with Cannonball, and it's not like most of Rogue's team isn't a random group thrown together. I'm not sure how much longer Cable is going to be apart of that, but if something was going on with her brother, you'd think Rachel would want to be involved.

[Hi-Fi]

They'd butt heads, but pre-Excalibur, I'd say Rachel was probably closer to Rogue than any of the other X-Man, for whatever that's worth. Rogue still wasn't all too close to anyone herself at that point, besides maybe Logan.
LOL, no dude. Rachel wasn't closer to Rogue than the other X-Men at all. Wolverine was the closer, and then Storm. And then Nightcrawler, I guess.

[jarrod]

LOL, no dude. Rachel wasn't closer to Rogue than the other X-Men at all. Wolverine was the closer, and then Storm. And then Nightcrawler, I guess.
I didn't get that at all... she seemed more intimate (or as close as she got at to "intimate" then) with Rogue to me, probably because Rogue wasn't an X-Man on her world, and so she wasn't displacing any feelings for her own analogs (Scott/Logan/Kurt/Kitty/etc). On Rogue's end too, she could empathize with being the rookie/scrapper no one really trusts... their relationship did feel something like sisters, as Kate pointed out, more on level with each other, more equal.

Certainly wasn't nonstop arguing, rivalry and aggression. That's Dazzler.

[Pach!]

If a writer wants to use Rachel, and if he/she was a good wwriter I don't think it would be that difficult to bring her into a story, and if as of now no one wants to use her at least people can't say "where is rachel? Why isn't she on a team?".

[Beast]

If a writer wants to use Rachel, and if he/she was a good wwriter I don't think it would be that difficult to bring her into a story, and if as of now no one wants to use her at least people can't say "where is rachel? Why isn't she on a team?".
Like they do with Angel, Bishop, Lifeguard, and Thunderbird III. :)

[Pach!]

Like they do with Angel, Bishop, Lifeguard, and Thunderbird III. :)

I don't know if that's sarcastic (I'm terrible at reading sarcasm). What I mean is if they brought Rachel back and Bru doesn't want to use her anymore what is she supposed to be doing when every team leaves the mansion..napping? At least now she has something to do.

[Beast]

I don't know if that's sarcastic (I'm terrible at reading sarcasm). What I mean is if they brought Rachel back and Bru doesn't want to use her anymore what is she supposed to be doing when every team leaves the mansion..napping? At least now she has something to do.
No, not sarcastic at all. I was being serious.

Cause people keep bitching that these characters arn't in any books.

Mostly cause other than Bishop (dirty traitor), we haven't really been given a reason as to why.

[Pach!]

No, not sarcastic at all. I was being serious.

Cause people keep bitching that these characters arn't in any books.

Mostly cause other than Bishop (dirty traitor), we haven't really been given a reason as to why.

Ohhhh , it's just I don't like Thunderbird III and was amazed people want him on a team :)

[Dagger]

This issue is a mixed blessing. We don't have to see Rachel and Korvus anymore, but we lost Havok and Polaris:( Maybe we'll get a resolution to this when the X-Men cast head off into Shi'ar space next year. I also don't see why we have to have Storm back in the book, when she's already in Black Panther and Fantastic Four. Yes, let's use a character which is already being used in other parts of the Marvel U and strand other characters in space for no good reason. Doesn't make any sense to me.

[Beast]

Ohhhh , it's just I don't like Thunderbird III and was amazed people want him on a team :)
He's actually fairly popular. Shame that his appearance in Carey's run had to be dropped for time.

[subliminal]

I'm not holding my breath on that one. I'd love to see Rachel on Carey's team. I don't know who said it, but Rachel and Rogue are good friends, like others have already said. Recently, they even had a buddy issue together in the horrid X-Men Unlimited, Vol. 2, No. 6.

[Dagger]

He's actually fairly popular. Shame that his appearance in Carey's run had to be dropped for time.
Really? I thought he was one of the X-Men that everyone loved to hate? I've never seen anyone praise him as a character.

[Beast]

Really? I thought he was one of the X-Men that everyone loved to hate? I've never seen anyone praise him as a character.
Newp. The one that's pretty universally hated seems more to be Slipstream.

Hence why he was depowered and Lifeguard and Thunderbird III weren't.

[Dagger]

Newp. The one that's pretty universally hated seems more to be Slipstream.

Hence why he was depowered and Lifeguard and Thunderbird III weren't.
That doesn't mean anything, we kept characters like Litterbug and Catiana while other more interesting characters were depowered.

[Tobias March]

I don't know, there's a certain poetry in it. Between them the Summers clan is both ruling and empire and revolting against it.

As someone said, as limbos go its not the worst (see Dazzler/Longshot doing something or other in Mojoverse, we never really found out what - though it all went wrong of course; Daytripper actually winding up stuck in Limbo etc.)

[Beast]

Well, we sorta saw what. They were leading the rebellion against Mojo.

And Dazzler was stuck taking care of the X-Babies.

[Anna]

From what I've heard, the most hated X-Man was Neal Sharra.

[Beast]

From what I've heard, the most hated X-Man was Neal Sharra.
Given where he landed during the tournament, that's nowhere near true. ;)

[Sentinel K]

From what I've heard, the most hated X-Man was Neal Sharra.

I think the only people who HATED Neal, were Archangel fans.

He really didn't do anything to be hated. I liked him, I thought he and Lifegaurd had a lot of potential.

Most people were just indifferent, i think.

[CaptainCanada]

What did Lorna do?

Let me guess, wall paper again?
Actually, she does most of the fighting against Vulcan (successful fighting, anyway).

It's an odd ending for a twelve-part story, although on its own terms I think it works quite well.

If there are no immediate plans to follow up on it in the X-books, I'd be interested to see Nova touch on it, since one would think that an intergalactic civil war would merit some of his attention.

I thought Havok was written pretty well in this issue.

[Keith_Martineau]

I can't imagine anyone HATING Neal Sharra.

Being totally ambivilant towards him, sure, but he just wasn't important enough in his time in X-Treme to really qualify for hatred.

[Omega Alpha]

Thunderbird III is the lamest character in the history of the X-books.

[Askani's Flame]

I thought Havok was written pretty well in this issue.



I agree that Havok was decently written this issue, which kinda sucks since Brubaker did nothing with him the rest of the time during this arc. Finally, during the issue of his entrance to character limbo with Rachel and Lorna, does he get some spotlight and become seemingly interesting.

I hope that they will show what happened in the 3 days between the crash landing and the message being played in the X-Mansion. It would be kind of hard not to mention it since Hepzibah is now a permanent resident.

[rilokyle]

I'm about to go to my LCS to buy this. I think I might cry. :(

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

This isn't over....I think that's what i HATE about Brubaker's story...is that first it was a 12 part story then its a 6-xmen 6-vulcan issue story...then at part 12 there's still more and now it STILL isn't over!!!!!

There's absolutely NO closure...and were there panel's missing? one moment they're fighting vulcan the next they're in the woods, then xavier's at the mansion.....and they're back at the fight...I got totally lost

[creaky]

Bah.:mad:

Nightcrawler teleporting people out of a crashing spaceship without trouble = bogus. One of the laws of teleporting is that you always reemerge with the same velocity you left. Meaning, to quote Evolution Nightcrawler: "Bumpity-bumpity-bumpity-bumpity-SPLAT".

[CaptainCanada]

Ever since the team encountered the Starjammers back in #482 (or whatever), I noted that Warpath and Hepzibah seemed to be interacting a lot. Based on the conclusion here, and the preview for next issue, I'm predicting that they'll become an item (sure to provoke plenty of angst).

[Beast]

Bah.:mad:

Nightcrawler teleporting people out of a crashing spaceship without trouble = bogus. One of the laws of teleporting is that you always reemerge with the same velocity you left. Meaning, to quote Evolution Nightcrawler: "Bumpity-bumpity-bumpity-bumpity-SPLAT".
Another problem with the issue.

[Post-It]

This was not Brubaker's best. I just expected more from Brubaker since his work on Cap, IF, and DD is amazing. Maybe he is just being asked to do too much? Hopefully the next truly reflects his talent.

[The Lucky One]

Corsair is dead, while Vulcan and Final Fantasy guy live on?

You win this round, Brubaker. But the war goes on.

-D

[Askani's Flame]

I just think that Brubaker doesn't write team books, in particular this title, as well as he does with his other titles I have read. There wasn't anything done with half the team other than one line bits, which were usually out of character for them. I hope he does something decent with the Morlocks arc.

[CaptainCanada]

The gritty living-in-the-sewers world of the Morlocks seems like a part of the X-world that Brubaker would be more interested in, since his other books tend to be crime/espionage stuff.

[The Lucky One]

Has anyone broken the news yet to Vash that the Pimp of all Pimps is dead?

He's gonna break stuff. Or people.

-D

[drwho]

The good

1. Professor X has his powers back.
2. the art was good
3. nice paced action
4. Hepizbh is on Earth
5. Corsairs death was done I think in a decent manner.

The Bad

1. That loser Vulcan still lives to fight another day
2. The whole storyline had no real resolution and seemed just like more of a setup for the future.Biggest complaint considering this was a 12 issue non ending story.
3. Rachel really didn't shine in this story over all. You would have thought since she was the one that has been most affected by the Shiar she would have one of the biggest roles.
4. Pointlessly developing a romance for Rachel when the reader is not gonna have any idea where it goes.
5. Prof x getting powers back from mkraan deus ex machina crystal.

Perhaps Marvel will try to launch a Starjammers comic or mini from this.

This was one of the better issues of the arc. Too bad we couldnt see this level of quality throughout the same thing.

[Diablito]

The Good:
1. Hepzibah! On Earth!
2. Polaris is gone!
3. Marvel Girl is gone!
4. Havok is gone!
5. This arc is finally over!

The Bad:
1-5. Everything else :mad:

[The Lucky One]

Perhaps Marvel will try to launch a Starjammers comic or mini from this.

Without Corsair, there really aren't any Starjammers... just a bunch of random space guys. They're like Havok without the eggbeater helmet: mostly the same, but you just don't care anymore.

Oh well, maybe June will be Corsair Month on the X-Board.

-D

[kate-pryde]

There should be a Corsair month!

Corsair's death really disappointed me since I really hoped that there would be some way of redeeming Gabriel.

A lot of time was spent developing him with the solo issues. If he is just this 15 year old kid who's had a horrible life, I was holding out hope that maybe Corsair was the one that could get through to him.

It's disappointing that Alex & Rachel have come to the conclusion that they have to kill him. Clearly he's a threat and if he killed his own father, no telling what he'll do. But Rachel was involved in killing her own family as well, albeit brainwashed into doing so, but she was able to be redeemed from that and accepted back into the X-Men. Vulcan may be a mass murdering evil dictator, but if he is only 15 mentally, then it seems wrong to be hunting down and killing this really disturbed kid.

You'd think if Xavier had stayed, both Rachel and him could have telepathically reprogrammed Gabe so he'd have some chance at having some empathy for others.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

*does the dance of a thousand "rachel is gone"*

wonder how many hours until Jean shows up

*practices the dace of a thousand "kitty is gone"*

[Beast]

Has anyone broken the news yet to Vash that the Pimp of all Pimps is dead?

He's gonna break stuff. Or people.

-D
Or he's gonna cry like a little girl with a skinned knee. :)

[Beast]

*does the dance of a thousand "rachel is gone"*

wonder how many hours until Jean shows up

*practices the dace of a thousand "kitty is gone"*
Just remember, karma is a bitch. ;)

[jarrod]

*does the dance of a thousand "rachel is gone"*

wonder how many hours until Jean shows up

*practices the dace of a thousand "kitty is gone"*
Well, with Dani already gone, it'd make some sense Emma Frost would want the other potential alpha females out of the picture.

Thank christ Storm's coming back. Maybe she can get the Institute back on track. ;)

[Beast]

Well, with Dani already gone, it'd make some sense Emma Frost would want the other potential alpha females out of the picture.

Thank christ Storm's coming back. Maybe she can get the Institute back on track. ;)
Don't worry. Danger will be dealing with getting Emma Frost out of the picture.

[subliminal]

Just remember, karma is a bitch. ;)

No she's not. She's assertive and the only teacher left in the school with genuine decency and kindness. Maybe she and Shadowcat can team up to get rid of Emma and then fall in love. It wouldn't work in the long run though, since Kitty would just be going through a phase and Shan has control issues.

@ kate-pryde... I don't get how Rachel is willing to participate in having another member of her family killed, something must have been switched off for her to kill again in the first place. Why isn't she as upset when a member of the Summers side dies horribly? Everybody is so bloodthirsty... where's the love?

[DarkCrisis]

So this whole super long boring arc the only thing that really happens is corasir dies and Xavier gets his powers back?

Frickin Lame. Where was the resolution? I feel cheated.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Has anyone broken the news yet to Vash that the Pimp of all Pimps is dead?

He's gonna break stuff. Or people.

-D

SOmeone needs to scan the page where he died so i'll believe it


Then


Then, all hell shall break forth.

[Alcoholic]

This story would've been better if it wasn't 12 issues, there was no need for it to be that long.

[jarrod]

The story would've been better had it come from Claremont and Bachalo as originally planned. Rachel heading into Shi'ar space for vengance, psycho Lilandra, Deathbird & Bishop chemistry, Kurt actually leading, Storm being crippled, the Brood extinction, Betsy & Sam flirtation, etc, etc. Plus Corsair would've lived through it, it'd have looked amazing and no Korvus/Darwin/Vulcan/D'ken trash.

I'm willing to give Bru another chance tho... don't let me down Ed!

[Joe Franklin]

The Good:
1. Hepzibah! On Earth!
2. Polaris is gone!
3. Marvel Girl is gone!
4. Havok is gone!
5. This arc is finally over!


I agree wth this list. And since the best character in Bru's cast of X-Men Warpath is still in the book, it's all good to me.:cool:

[rilokyle]

I just read the issue, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. I think I may have enjoyed the issue, suprisingly enough.

While I'm a bit disappointed that for a 12 issue storyline, nothing was resolved, making me a bit scared that its going to take another 12 issues to finish this story. Vulcan needs to be dead already.

Still, I'm warming up to the idea of Havok, Polaris, and company staying in space to bring Vulcan down. And goodness gracious, I actually liked Hepzibah in this issue. When she appeared with all her guns and weapons- very funny moment. I think I might just like her on this team afterall.

As for Havok and Polaris, I'm suprisingly handeling their departure from the book relatively easily. In fact, I like that Havok is leading the Starjammers alongside Polaris and Rachel- the whole story now reminds me of an anime space odessey, so I'm liking that.

Havok was sooooo amazing in this issue- he kicked major Vulcan ass, and was very cute at the end giving his speech. And Polaris had some good moments too, rallying both Vulcan and Deathbird.

But what was with half the team deciding to take a break and head back to the ship. Like I can understand teleporting the Professor and Darwin back to ship, but why did Warpath have to come to? Shouldn't he have been fighting still? That whole scenario smelled a little too "plot device" for me. And Lilandra's a whore for doing that to the space ship.

I gotta say, it does make sense for Havok, Polaris and Rachel to stay out there- they're by far much more powerful than the other X-Men, and their powers are much more useful in this battle against Vulcan. Nightcrawler does absolutley nothing, so it doesn't make sense for him to be there. And Warpath is only good for hand to hand combat, so he's pretty limited.

But yeah, I actually kinda enjoyed this issue I guess. I just hope asst. editor Sean Ryan is correct when he wrote in the letters page: "But don't worry, you haven't seen the last of the folks staying in space in Shi'ar space." I really hope this dangling plotline comes full circle within the next year. Vulcan's too big a threat to leave out there, so hopefully Brubaker will get back to this storyline. I somehow have faith that we really will be seeing Havok and Polaris in the near future. At least their going to miss out on this shiteous Morlocks story- how many Morlock stories can there be to write? I feel like every one is always billed as "The Last Morlock story." The Morlocks are apparently like weeds- they just don't die. Or they do, but someone always creates new ones.

Anyways, I think I'm going to be okay without Havok and Polaris for a little bit. I like this new direction they've headed in, so we'll see how it goes.

(Oh, and could that cover be any ranker? I would have much preferred a Billy Tan cover. The actual layout and design is good, but the art is terrible.)

[Red Lotus]

The Good

Warpath. I only wish he was on a book I liked.

Hepzibah. I’m looking forward to her being on the team

Vulcan being emperor of the Shi'ar. I don’t like Vulcan, but this was the second best thing to happen in this arc.

Corsair dying. I feel like doing a happy dance. This was the best thing in arc



Bad.
Charles Xavier. Him being with the team holds the team back.

Charles Xavier. Xavier getting his powers back. Why couldn't he had been killed.

Way to long. 12 issue of a arc I didn’t like. I hope the next one is better then this one.

Speaking of the next arc. The fact that Storm is in it gives me very little hope that is going to be good.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

The story would've been better had it come from Claremont and Bachalo as originally planned. Rachel heading into Shi'ar space for vengance, psycho Lilandra, Deathbird & Bishop chemistry, Kurt actually leading, Storm being crippled, the Brood extinction, Betsy & Sam flirtation, etc, etc. Plus Corsair would've lived through it, it'd have looked amazing and no Korvus/Darwin/Vulcan/D'ken trash.

I'm willing to give Bru another chance tho... don't let me down Ed!

Ive read neither but i know that would have been better

Question though, did that whole Shi'ar murdered your family thing even get brought up in this? Cause im having a hard time understanding why Rachel would even want Lilandra or whatever back on the throne.

[Beast]

Ive read neither but i know that would have been better

Question though, did that whole Shi'ar murdered your family thing even get brought up in this? Cause im having a hard time understanding why Rachel would even want Lilandra or whatever back on the throne.
It was mentioned during the first issue.

Xavier telling Rachel he doesn't want to see her taking revenge for what happened.

And Rachel saying that she'll be good. So otherwise, not really.

[Tobias March]

It was mentioned during the first issue.

Xavier telling Rachel he doesn't want to see her taking revenge for what happened.

And Rachel saying that she'll be good. So otherwise, not really.

Well didn't she refer to it herself when she killed - or at least took extremely violent action against - those Shi'ar soldiers an issue or two back? I don't have it in front of me, but I seem to recall that.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yeah but, as i recall, it wasnt some fringe group of shi'ar doing it, was it?


So why would she want to help out Xavier's bird crotch?

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I'M SO MAD!!! :mad:

WHOA AND Y'ALL NEED TO STOP HATING ON RACHEL IN THAT POLL

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

The Good


Corsair dying. I feel like doing a happy dance. This was the best thing in arc




....


*slap*

[Beast]

I'M SO MAD!!! :mad:

WHOA AND Y'ALL NEED TO STOP HATING ON RACHEL IN THAT POLL
Look on the bright side. Most of the people who voted for her never post.

And she's less hated than Xavier and Darwin combined. :)

[jarrod]

The orders for the Death Commandos came directly from Lilandra iirc... though I'm not sure, but did Bru retcon that? It might've been implied that Araki sent the orders, but I dunno if it was explicitly stated on panel?

Either way, Ray and Lil would have some things to sort out...

[jarrod]

WHOA AND Y'ALL NEED TO STOP HATING ON RACHEL IN THAT POLL
She makes for an easy target for the Claremont bashers and Emma/Jean diehards to converge. Though really, both groups should probably like Rachel more than the rest all things considered.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

At this point the jammers need to be pushing for like a Republic or something

The only thing Lilandra is good at is rebuilding the empire after she loses it.

But i think she is only good at that because of practice.

[Beast]

The orders for the Death Commandos came directly from Lilandra iirc... though I'm not sure, but did Bru retcon that? It might've been implied that Araki sent the orders, but I dunno if it was explicitly stated on panel?

Either way, Ray and Lil would have some things to sort out...
No they didn't. We assumed they came from Lilandra.

But the last time we saw her before Brubaker's Uncanny, she was a babbling loony.

[jarrod]

No they didn't. We assumed they came from Lilandra.

But the last time we saw her before Brubaker's Uncanny, she was a babbling loony.
I thought it was stated orders from the eradication of the Grey genome came for the Majestrix directly? That'd have to Lilandra, no?

Seems likely it was what Claremont was planning anyway... makes sense as last time we saw Lil, she was actually a babbling loony *with a gun pointed at Xaiver's head*.

[BIG-X-FAN]

Just finished this issue, and what can I say? WOW!!! Though I agree with Brian Cronin, it didn't have a whole conclusion. Who says it has to really? I think the title of the arc describes what happened pretty effectively. I also agree that the art from Billy Tan isn't always as polished as it should be. He really needs to work on proportions and stuff. But I can't complain because I can't draw for shit. On the other hand, if there's one thing I know, it's good writing. Brubaker has proven himself to me, with this issue, that he is one of the best X-Writers of all time. I would put him ahead of Claremont any day, based on the last 12 issues alone. Burn me for heresy if you like, but I have disagreed with Claremont's writing choices so much lately I can't even keep track. And even though Brubaker killed two of my favorite characters (Banshee and Corsair), I don't believe there could have been a better writer to do it. Nobody lives forever, and I think Bru has a very well thoughout plan for the X-Universe. I can't wait for the upcoming arc. Salvador Larroca's art looks better than ever. I think this is the first time I've ever though that all three X-Books have had the best creators on them. Bru, Carey, and Whedon are really shaping the X-Universe into a great place for fans these days. Something I think that Chuck Austen definately didn't do. And Milligan, Morrison, and even Claremont failed at a lot during their runs.

[The Lucky One]

I'M SO MAD!!! :mad:

WHOA AND Y'ALL NEED TO STOP HATING ON RACHEL IN THAT POLL

Do not hate, grasshopper. Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it from him.


Since it seems to be the stylish thing to do, here we go:

THE BAD:
-I'm out $36 for the last year of UXM, when I could have spent $33 on a DVD set and then bought this issue.

THE GOOD:
-This time next year, I will have an extra $36.


Sorry, Ed. I still like you as a writer, this just ain't my book. Bring Claremont back and we'll talk. Or Vaughan would be an acceptable substitute.

-D

[BIG-X-FAN]

And she's less hated than Xavier and Darwin combined. :)
Maybe less hated than Darwin, but I don't think anyone who really thinks long and hard about it can really hate Xavier more than Rachel. I mean she's not even from this Universe. She should go join the Exiles, and let the Marvel Universe have Psylocke back. And if they really do hate Xavier more than Rachel then.....I don't know.....maybe they should be reading another book. The X did stand for Xavier the last time I checked.

[Brian Cronin]

The X did stand for Xavier the last time I checked.

The X is for the "X-Factor" in mutants' genes giving them powers.

Of course, Xavier tells us all this so he can pretend not to be a raging egomaniac. ;)

-Brian

[Brian Cronin]

JWho says it has to really?

It doesn't HAVE to, but generally speaking, if you are going to follow a story for twelve issues, it's nice to have a conclusion.

-Brian

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

why does he call himself EX-avier and not zavier anyway?

[The Lucky One]

why does he call himself EX-avier and not zavier anyway?

Sounds cooler.

-D

[Matthew K.]

Marvel Girl is the top vote getter? wth, throw out ol'Charley or that dewby Darwin

[BIG-X-FAN]

The X is for the "X-Factor" in mutants' genes giving them powers.

Of course, Xavier tells us all this so he can pretend not to be a raging egomaniac. ;)

-Brian
I going to have to disagree with you on that. I know you had the wink or whatever at the end of your statement, but too many people think that it really stands for the x-factor. I'm pretty sure that when Stan Lee created the guys he called them the X-Men, because they attended Xavier's School. They were "Xavier's Men" so to speak.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I voted for Darwin. Because Lifeguard is cooler


I like Phoenix, but if i ever wrote x-men i'd get rid of her but only because i'd get rid of all future/alternative reality characters.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I going to have to disagree with you on that. I know you had the wink or whatever at the end of your statement, but too many people think that it really stands for the x-factor. I'm pretty sure that when Stan Lee created the guys he called them the X-Men, because they attended Xavier's School. They were "Xavier's Men" so to speak.

Nah he always said he called them that because they have an "extra power" and because he couldnt call them the mutants. He just quickly made some shit up and was able to get it through.

[Brian Cronin]

I going to have to disagree with you on that. I know you had the wink or whatever at the end of your statement, but too many people think that it really stands for the x-factor. I'm pretty sure that when Stan Lee created the guys he called them the X-Men, because they attended Xavier's School. They were "Xavier's Men" so to speak.

Stan Lee is actually the one who said the X-Factor/x-tra power explanation. And MUCH later on, Xavier specifically said (in some Lobdell issue, circa 1993) that he did not name the team after himself.

-Brian

[kate-pryde]

I thought it was stated orders from the eradication of the Grey genome came for the Majestrix directly? That'd have to Lilandra, no?

Seems likely it was what Claremont was planning anyway... makes sense as last time we saw Lil, she was actually a babbling loony *with a gun pointed at Xaiver's head*.

Several times the Death Commandos said that their orders were coming from the Majestrix. Whether they spoke to her directly or through someone Araki or K'Tor remains to be seen.

Exactly why also has been explained. It's not like the Phoenix is a direct threat. K'Tor was the one that went after Rook'shir's decedents, so maybe he went after the Greys.

My theory is that if those against Lilandra wanted to move against her, what better way then send someone hellbent on her destruction after her? Their intent would be to piss off Rachel (or perhaps they missed Nathan on purpose) and to send one of them after Lilandra. If another "Earther" went after the Shi'ar, those rebelling Lilandra could turn the public against her even more, and destabilize the Shi'ar government enough that a coup would have an easily time taking over.

If the intent was to sent Rachel after Lilandra, then marking her with a tracking device would make more sense. They would want to know where she was. Otherwise, why did the Death Commandos waste the time to mark her when they could have killed her instead?

[BIG-X-FAN]

Stan Lee is actually the one who said the X-Factor/x-tra power explanation. And MUCH later on, Xavier specifically said (in some Lobdell issue, circa 1993) that he did not name the team after himself.

-Brian

Alright I dug it up, and I bow to your superior X-knowledge. Still Xavier's way cooler than Rachel Summers.

Oh, and I'm cooler than you.;)

[jarrod]

Rachel Summers >>> Xaiver >>>>>> Rachel Grey

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I dont know

Rachel Grey has a micro mini skirt

so

Rachel Grey > Rachel Summers > Cable


Xaviers good because he's so evil.

[Beast]

Alright I dug it up, and I bow to your superior X-knowledge. Still Xavier's way cooler than Rachel Summers.

Oh, and I'm cooler than you.;)
After Deadly Genesis and Astonishing X-Men, Xavier's hardly cooler than anyone. :p

[jarrod]

C'mon, even a cold fish like Jean would wear that outfit. Meanwhile, Ray Summs was into fetish wear before it was socially encouraged..

leather + heels + spikes >>>>>>>>>> miniskirt + crop top + goggles

[jarrod]

I miss Morrison's Xaiver... hopefully he's traded out to the next Astonishing headliner (c'mon Gaiman!).

[Dagger]

Stan Lee is actually the one who said the X-Factor/x-tra power explanation. And MUCH later on, Xavier specifically said (in some Lobdell issue, circa 1993) that he did not name the team after himself.

-Brian
Uncanny 300! Xavier was explaining it to Moira during a flashback when the acolytes were strip mining her memories.

lolol! Rachel's the most reviled on the poll as it should be:p!

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

C'mon, even a cold fish like Jean would wear that outfit. Meanwhile, Ray Summs was into fetish wear before it was socially encouraged..

leather + heels + spikes >>>>>>>>>> miniskirt + crop top + goggles

She had a grody mullet though

Flippy Hair > Mullet


Chloe Sullivan rocked flippy hair,

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/TheHuzzah/agin.jpg

Chloe Sullivan >Greater than God and Country.

[Dagger]

She had a grody mullet though

Flippy Hair > Mullet
And this right here wins the argument!

And before she had the heinous mullet, she had a gnarsty rat tail.

[dellicious]

Make up excuses for whatever you want, but that trash from the future rachel is getting the highest votes for leaving her sorry butt in space. i'm glad, most people have taste! :D

the only way this issue could have been even better is if corsair lived and vulcan killed that wannabe

[The Lucky One]

A guy with an avatar of Rictor is bashing Rachel?

Yet again, the world makes sense. A bizarre, demented kind of sense.

-D

[dellicious]

A guy with an avatar of Rictor is bashing Rachel?

Yet again, the world makes sense. A bizarre, demented kind of sense.

-D

Rictor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rachel so it makes perfect sense

[Beast]

Make up excuses for whatever you want, but that trash from the future rachel is getting the highest votes for leaving her sorry butt in space. i'm glad, most people have taste! :D

the only way this issue could have been even better is if corsair lived and vulcan killed that wannabe
We lose a decent character like Rachel. And get the dirty traitor back for a story arc instead. Joy.

[The Lucky One]

Lemme fix that for ya:

Excalibur Rachel slightly > X-Factor Rictor > Dino-Rachel waaaay > Rictor anywhere else.

-D

[Dagger]

A guy with an avatar of Rictor is bashing Rachel?

Yet again, the world makes sense. A bizarre, demented kind of sense.

-D
I can understand how you would like Rachel, what with being a Longshot fan:p, but under PAD, Ric has become my favorite character on X-Factor, and far more interesting than Rachel has since her return.

[dellicious]

We lose a decent character like Rachel. And get the dirty traitor back for a story arc instead. Joy.

storm is not a traitor. besides storm, even erroneously viewed as a traitor is still a billion times more interesting than rachel at her best which isn't even decent

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

They have a special place for all the Longshot haters to go

Its called the nut house.

[Dagger]

storm is not a traitor. besides storm, even erroneously viewed as a traitor is still a billion times more interesting than rachel at her best
I think he's talking about Xavier.

[Beast]

storm is not a traitor. besides storm, even erroneously viewed as a traitor is still a billion times more interesting than rachel at her best which isn't even decent
Storm's a huge traitor. She's only eclipsed by the other traitor, Bishop.

[Dagger]

They have a special place for all the Longshot haters to go

Its called the nut house.
Oh, don't get me wrong, Longshot under Nocenti=awesome character, Longshot under Claremont=not so much. He didn't ruin him as a character, he just didn't seem to 'get' him like he did Wolvie and Rogue.

[Beast]

I think he's talking about Xavier.
Nope. I'm talking about Storm.

The traitor who sold out her family and friends to oggle Black Panther and play Robin to his Batman.

[dellicious]

storm is not a traitor! she has broader views and saw the bigger picture ;)


dagger, the only good longshot is ultimate longshot. now HE was cool. normal longshot was lame, mullet and all

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Unless his name is THor there is NO ultimate character that even comes close to the 616 counterpart.

Soul patchers.

[Beast]

storm is not a traitor! she has broader views and saw the bigger picture ;)


dagger, the only good longshot is ultimate longshot. now HE was cool. normal longshot was lame, mullet and all
She saw the big picture of running around with the Fantastic Four and playing Sidekick.

How the mighty have fallen. Next she'll be barefoot and pregnant.

[Beast]

Unless his name is THor there is NO ultimate character that even comes close to the 616 counterpart.

Soul patchers.
Word. Though I do like the Ultimate Universe, they pale in comparison to the real characters.

[Christopher O]

We lose a decent character like Rachel. And get the dirty traitor back for a story arc instead. Joy.

Storm's a huge traitor. She's only eclipsed by the other traitor, Bishop.

Nope. I'm talking about Storm.

The traitor who sold out her family and friends to oggle Black Panther and play Robin to his Batman.
Really, Beast? How many times are we going to go through this?

[Beast]

Really, Beast? How many times are we going to go through this?
Was I addressing you. I was talking to the other people.

You don't see her as a traitor, yet that's how she was presented.

[The Lucky One]

Oh, don't get me wrong, Longshot under Nocenti=awesome character, Longshot under Claremont=not so much. He didn't ruin him as a character, he just didn't seem to 'get' him like he did Wolvie and Rogue.

And yet we agree on this. You baffle me with your illogical Rachel hatred, person-I-don't-know-very-well.

Still, you are clearly wiser than our Storm-loving fellow poster, and so you may stay.

-D

[Christopher O]

Was I addressing you. I was talking to the other people.
Does it matter?

You don't see her as a traitor, yet that's how she was presented.
No, it wasn't. She left the X-Men to help former mutants in Africa and liberate slaves, while the X-Men played Indian Reservation. There's nothing traitorous about it, and nobody in the books has even suggested it.

[The Lucky One]

Unless his name is THor there is NO ultimate character that even comes close to the 616 counterpart.

Soul patchers.

Ultimate Lead Pipe beats the hell out of his 616 counterpart.

Beeyotch.

-D

[Brian Cronin]

This Storm stuff is annoying. So cut it out in this thread.

-Brian

[dellicious]

I sense bitterness from the mullet loving one because his mulleted losers have been deservedly sent into limbo while the goddess storm prepares for her spotlight once more

[Beast]

Does it matter?

No, it wasn't. She left the X-Men to help former mutants in Africa and liberate slaves, while the X-Men played Indian Reservation. There's nothing traitorous about it, and nobody in the books has even suggested it.
Her family, her friends, the only people who ever mattered to her much of her life are in need... and she runs off with some half baked excuse to help people. Doesn't even do that outside of the Uncanny X-Men Annual, then runs off to marry Black Panther. And instead of remaining to "help people" like she claimed, she runs off on a Honeymoon/World Tour and then gets involved with Civil War and joins the Fantastic Four.

[Beast]

Ultimate Lead Pipe beats the hell out of his 616 counterpart.

Beeyotch.

-D
Ultimate Plastic Chair was more awesome. :)

[Beast]

This Storm stuff is annoying. So cut it out in this thread.

-Brian
Gotcha chief. I'm done.

[Brian Cronin]

It's more because she isn't even IN the issue, ya know?

-Brian

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

This Storm stuff is annoying. So cut it out in this thread.

-Brian

Speaking of Cut it out, since we are getting a bit off topic anyway,

Remember when the annoying pedophile uncle on full house tried to get "cut it out" going as like a national catchphrase?

That is what all this storm is a traitor stuff is like

Mr. Duplicity doing a daffy duck impression



We need to talk about how Brubaker killing Corsair is proof positive that this is the worst x-issue in the last 30 years.

[Beast]

It's more because she isn't even IN the issue, ya know?

-Brian
Ok. I'll save my rant about that crappy story for next issue. ;)

[MakeshiftHero]

With this issue being a good scapegoat to get Xavier's powers back and making him say "I'm better than I've been in a long time...at least physically." Would this mean that maybe we'll get to see Xavier running around with a team and fighting? I think it would be cool to see him running and kicking and punching (with TK punches and what not to make him hit harder) instead of just being dull back at the mansion. But while I'm on the subject does anyone know how old he is?

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Xavier is like 42 right now. But that could change drastically depending on the writer.

[MakeshiftHero]

Xavier is like 42 right now. But that could change drastically depending on the writer.

42?? heh (thinks of Hitchikers Guide (book, not movie) and grins) I thought he was much older. I guess its kind of hard to tell seeing how he doesnt have any hair to see if he has gray hair. Then how old is Magneto?

But if he is 42 I guess it would make more sense to see him doing field work and using TK shields and punches and force blasts than seeing a senior citizen doing it, I don't care if he's the most powerful mind on the planet or not.

[Christopher O]

It's more because she isn't even IN the issue, ya know?

-Brian

Well, with that in mind, I really enjoyed this issue. I do feel like this story dragged on a bit too long, but I like the new status quo for the Shi'ar. I also didn't mind seeing characters I'm not interested in being removed from the book. Of course, I am a little sad to see Polaris go, and I find Hepzibah's presence a little strange. All in all, I'm happy with the results. No more Havok. No more Rachel. No more Corsair. Cyclops is back to being an orphan, just as he should be.

[Beast]

With this issue being a good scapegoat to get Xavier's powers back and making him say "I'm better than I've been in a long time...at least physically." Would this mean that maybe we'll get to see Xavier running around with a team and fighting? I think it would be cool to see him running and kicking and punching (with TK punches and what not to make him hit harder) instead of just being dull back at the mansion. But while I'm on the subject does anyone know how old he is?
Psst. Xavier doesn't have TK. ;)

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

42?? heh (thinks of Hitchikers Guide (book, not movie) and grins) I thought he was much older. I guess its kind of hard to tell seeing how he doesnt have any hair to see if he has gray hair. Then how old is Magneto?

But if he is 42 I guess it would make more sense to see him doing field work and using TK shields and punches and force blasts than seeing a senior citizen doing it, I don't care if he's the most powerful mind on the planet or not.

Ages are tricky stupid

You'll never get a right answer. Its all just the crazy stuff

[rwsmith]

Y'know, I've defended Brubaker's writing thus far on this book, but I have to say that this finale was pretty darn lackluster all things considered. I don't have a problem with the three who were left behind in space, as I'm not a big fan of any of them personally, but the story didn't really end at all. In fact, it feels like we've just finished the first act or something.

And why was it a good idea to bring yet another cat-like character into the X-books? Isn't having Beast, Feral and Thornn running around enough?

Oh, well. Hopefully the next arc will be better.

[Beast]

Y'know, I've defended Brubaker's writing thus far on this book, but I have to say that this finale was pretty darn lackluster all things considered. I don't have a problem with the three who were left behind in space, as I'm not a big fan of any of them personally, but the story didn't really end at all. In fact, it feels like we've just finished the first act or something.

And why was it a good idea to bring yet another cat-like character into the X-books? Isn't having Beast, Feral and Thornn running around enough?

Oh, well. Hopefully the next arc will be better.
Beast will likely be losing his feline form soon. Given how many writers who want him hate it.

Feral and Thornn are both depowered. Unless that crappy Wolverine story turns out true.

[MakeshiftHero]

Psst. Xavier doesn't have TK. ;)

Uhhh well dont I feel awkward, I guess I just always assumed he had it seeing that he was talked about as the most powerful mind. But now thinking about it I dunno why I thought it cause he's never showed anything resembling TK.......but he should have TK, and a little somethin somethin called the M'Kraan Crystal could be just the thing to give him TK.;)

Yay! I found a typo. When Darwin explains to Kurt how Xavier got his powers there's a period between the 't' and 'a' (heh heh T&A) in crystal.

I always like finding typos in comics.

[The Lucky One]

42?? heh (thinks of Hitchikers Guide (book, not movie) and grins) I thought he was much older. I guess its kind of hard to tell seeing how he doesnt have any hair to see if he has gray hair. Then how old is Magneto?

Xavier's age is impossible to specifically pinpoint because he's not in his original body- that one was turned into a Brood Queen in UXM #167. His current body is a cloned, younger body, so he could be anywhere from 30-50, depending on the artist. Best guess, he's around 40-45.

Same with Magneto- technically he's in his 70s, but he was deaged into an infant in an old Defenders story, then reaged to an adult in UXM, but a much younger adult than he'd been before. His body is probably in its late 30s or early 40s.

As for Xavier having adventures with the X-Men... could work. Claremont hinted it after he first regained use of his legs back in #167, and he was somewhat useful in combat during the Secret Wars, but then he got his ass beaten by teenagers and had to go into deep space for years. We'll see how it plays out this time. Or, well, you guys will, I guess. Keep me posted.

-D

[Flameworthy]

Can someone tell me what the point of bringing Lorna along on this lame mission was, if she was just going to end up space limbo? Throughout the entire arc she was written as nothing more than wallpaper, and the time's she actually did say or do things it was completely OOC.:rolleyes: I would have much rather he left her out of this arc. At least when Magneto returns she'd actually be on earth, and nowhere near Alex.

This issue just put the icing on the cake, of Bru's craptacular run for me. I'm dropping this book as of this issue.

[Frodo-X]

Can someone tell me what the point of bringing Lorna along on this lame mission was, if she was just going to end up space limbo? Throughout the entire arc she was written as nothing more than wallpaper, and the time's she actually did say or do things it was completely OOC.:rolleyes: I would have much rather he left her out of this arc. At least when Magneto returns she'd actually be on earth, and nowhere near Alex.

This issue just put the icing on the cake, of Bru's craptacular run for me. I'm dropping this book as of this issue.

While I agree to an extent, she did at least do some stuff with Alex.

Did you know Nightcrawler was in the book? Seriously, if you look, he's in the background there, right next to Waldo.

[rwsmith]

Beast will likely be losing his feline form soon. Given how many writers who want him hate it.

Yeah, but I've been hearing that for years. I'll believe it when I actually see it.

Feral and Thornn are both depowered. Unless that crappy Wolverine story turns out true.

Well, I belive that Loeb said in an interview that Weapon X has a part to play, so maybe they're responsible for Feral and Thornn being repowered.

[Frodo-X]

Yeah, but I've been hearing that for years. I'll believe it when I actually see it.



Well, I belive that Loeb said in an interview that Weapon X has a part to play, so maybe they're responsible for Feral and Thornn being repowered.
Oh, brother. The crap isn't hard enough to follow, and now Weapon X is gonna get thrown into the mix? :(

[rwsmith]

Hard to follow? Really? If anything this particular arc has suffered from being a bit too simplistic IMO. Not enough story in each issue. And as for Weapon X's involvement, why not? They've been involved in most everything else in Logan's life.

But, alas, this isn't a Wolverine thread, so perhaps this discussion ought to be taken elsewhere...

[Omega Alpha]

Lame issue, i (and many) saw nearly everything that happened months ago, and at least i have disliked. But i have hope the next arc will be better, down-to-Earth (pun intended) and dark stories are Brubaker's greatest strength, and right now there is no one in comics as good as him when he gets them right.

42?? heh (thinks of Hitchikers Guide (book, not movie) and grins) I thought he was much older. I guess its kind of hard to tell seeing how he doesnt have any hair to see if he has gray hair. Then how old is Magneto?

But if he is 42 I guess it would make more sense to see him doing field work and using TK shields and punches and force blasts than seeing a senior citizen doing it, I don't care if he's the most powerful mind on the planet or not.


He maybe in his early or mid 40's in the current body, which is what matters in the case, although he certainly wasn't born only 40 years ago.

[Frodo-X]

Hard to follow? Really? If anything this particular arc has suffered from being a bit too simplistic IMO. Not enough story in each issue. And as for Weapon X's involvement, why not? They've been involved in most everything else in Logan's life.

But, alas, this isn't a Wolverine thread, so perhaps this discussion ought to be taken elsewhere...
I kinda meant hard to follow in the sense that it's painful to read, but I kinda phrased it wrong. Anyway, you're right, don't want to derail the thread, so this'll be my last on the matter.

[Faded]

I'm actually happy with the decisions made by Bru, other than repowering Xavier.

Don't mean to be a $*#!@, but they weren't depowered by M-Day. They didn't die. They weren't pooed on and forced to eat it. Welcome to the life of Fans of the D-Listers where this is a good thing.

To be perfectly blunt, if the Phoenix mythos must continue to be told, I think it'd be best in space--even if it is with Rachel. Plus, the tone of space stories fit the whole 'alternate worlds' feel to me a lot more. Maybe I'm biased, though.

I'll miss Ms. Polly, but I don't really feel like I'll be missing out with her in limbo. Plus, maybe she'll see Daap again.

As for Havok, with Corsair's death this is a fitting 'closing' arc for his character. There are so many X-Men, I feel like this is a potential story where Havok can really do something notably unique to his character.

And maybe they'll all be involved in the various space crossovers that I know nothing about except for the fact that they're happening.

Oh and I don't like Hepizaphfds because I can't spell her name. I can spell long, complicated names like 'Bachalo', but this *#(@! is gonna make posting difficult.

And because I thought I'd throw it out there:

Coipel Cat Beast > any Beast ever

[jmc247]

Can someone tell me what the point of bringing Lorna along on this lame mission was, if she was just going to end up space limbo? Throughout the entire arc she was written as nothing more than wallpaper, and the time's she actually did say or do things it was completely OOC.:rolleyes: I would have much rather he left her out of this arc. At least when Magneto returns she'd actually be on earth, and nowhere near Alex.

I agree with you 100% there. I suspect when next Mags and Lorna meet it will have been nearly a decade since X-Men 132 where Morrison and Austin decided to go with her being his daughter. Then again neither Scarlet Witch nor Polaris has had a real conversation with Magneto for 7 years and won't again I suspect for a number of years.

[Brian Cronin]

I presume Brubaker's point of bringing Lorna around was that she was already IN limbo after Milligan's run, so this way, Brubaker got to write her off by placing her in an interesting spot for future writers to do stuff with her. She certainly did not seem like someone that he wanted to write, but he was nice enough as to put her into an interesting place for future writers to write her (and a dramatic improvement with how she was left off in Milligan's run).

-Brian

[xarathos]

And Xavier got his powers back, I hope they go somewhere with this No More Mutants thing. I know JQ did it because he wanted New Avengers to the big book now.

[Sean Whitmore]

Just because something is true of Alex and Scott doesn't mean it's true of Vulcan.

It's also true of Banshee and Black Tom. And I think Nightcrawler and Mystique as well (didn't he once teleport her and she felt no ill effects?)


SEAN

[xarathos]

And Xavier got his powers back, I hope they go somewhere with this No More Mutants thing. I know JQ did it because he wanted New Avengers to the big book now.

[SnakeEater]

Here is the only few problems i had with the arc.
There was so much build up for nothing because Vulcan and his band of idiots got a way. And also the fact that Vulcan did a 180 and joined the Shiar was stupid.
I dont mind the Xmen staying behind to kill vulcan, its about time the Xmen realize that some people are meant to be killed, but im really sick and tired of Space Adventures. I mean the fantastic four dont even go to space this much and they started there.
Xavier getting his powers back and still walking bothers the hell out of me because this was done before, with Morrison. So i know how this crap will end - If Xavier isnt crippled again in World War Hulk, then watch Vulcan and his armada try to trash earth to destory him for screwing up vulcan's life and then for ruining his wedding day (that was so stupid too.) The battle is goign to have everyone down but Vulcan who cripples Xavier again on the front lawns of the institute, and just as Vulcan is about to kill Cyclops Xavier is going to mind wipe Vulcan or Cyclops himself will kill Vulcan. Then everyone gets to be happy again in the little school and things will be the same damn status quo

[The Lucky One]

Xavier getting his powers back and still walking bothers the hell out of me because this was done before, with Morrison.

If that's your mindset, then I'd imagine him having his powers and walking must have bothered the hell out of you when Morrison did it too. Since Claremont did it years before that.

-D

[SnakeEater]

If that's your mindset, then I'd imagine him having his powers and walking must have bothered the hell out of you when Morrison did it too. Since Claremont did it years before that.

-D

did he really? i didnt start collecting X-men until the Fatal Attractions thing, and all through Onslaught and Zero Tolerance. I stopped until around the Search for Xavier and stopped again until Morrison and the others took over in the first Reload.
Was that the story where xavier was cloned or something and they took his brain and placed it in the clone? i may be off but i swear i read that somewhere and thats why we got the "secret" ending refering to something like that in Xmen 3

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Did anyone else notice that Rachel was the only one sad/crying when corsair died and then again when they buried him?

Oh and why the HELL does Brubaker feel the need to kill everyone off? Is that his way of bringing drama, cuz its not working.

Ugh!

[Leaper Queen]

Which Imperial Guardsmen did appear in this issue??

[The Lucky One]

did he really? i didnt start collecting X-men until the Fatal Attractions thing,

Neither did I, but you never felt a desire to go back and read what you missed from the early years?

In UXM #167, Xavier's body was turned into a Brood Queen, and they had to clone a new, younger body for him on the Starjammer and transfer his consciousness into it. The new body was younger and could walk, so he was able to walk from UXM #167-279 or so. However, he spent most of that time out in space, adventuring with Lilandra and the Starjammers, instead of with the X-Men.

-D

[streator]

does xavier have the same exact same powers now?

did the crystal make him a mutant again?

i'm thinking about polaris and how her powers were brought back throught technology and ended up different.

xavier can still walk, right?

[rilokyle]

does xavier have the same exact same powers now?

did the crystal make him a mutant again?

i'm thinking about polaris and how her powers were brought back throught technology and ended up different.

xavier can still walk, right?

Yes, its assumed Xavier has his exact same powers again, thanks to the M'kraan Crystal somehow. We see him talking telepathically to his X-Men, and Darwin says "He has his mutation back."

And yup, he can still walk.

[Dagger]

And yet we agree on this. You baffle me with your illogical Rachel hatred, person-I-don't-know-very-well.

Still, you are clearly wiser than our Storm-loving fellow poster, and so you may stay.

-D
It's not illogical, I just don't like what she's become. While she was never my favorite character, I still liked her. But CC threw out all that development done to her including his own, and regressed her to 1984 with a beyond believably large power boost, even though she wasn't powered by the Phoenix. If I wanted to see her have fits about Jean being dead, I'd go re-read Uncanny 184-209. Frankly, he did it better then, even though I didn't like her getting the bird.

[Metallurgique]

The only reason I'll continue to buy Brubaker's continued issues is because I have almost a full run of Uncanny X-men and if I ever decide to sell it, I'd rather have it be complete.

On the facts of the issue...

What a totally awful, completely unsatisfying conclusion to what's been an extremely long, boring, largely pointless arc. A whole year wasted on this mess, and $36 on new issues. A total waste. Nothing is resolved, Corsair was killed off for no real reason (just like Banshee), Lorna, Alex, and Rachel are Limbo'd indefinitely, and Vulcan is in control of the Shi'ar.

Grade: F.

At least Billy Tan's art was fantastic, which is quite the opposite of Brubaker's writing. I had such high hopes for this run. Chuck Austen was vastly better than this.

[caney]

I agree with the people who felt this issue was a bit hollow with no real conclusion. The original problem from 12 issues ago is still unresolved and that's highly disappointing. The whole arc does serve to change the current status quo of the Shi'Ar and the Starjammers, but unless there are some plans to continue with their stories, I don't see why it matters.

[Daithi]

It's not illogical, I just don't like what she's become. While she was never my favorite character, I still liked her. But CC threw out all that development done to her including his own, and regressed her to 1984 with a beyond believably large power boost, even though she wasn't powered by the Phoenix. If I wanted to see her have fits about Jean being dead, I'd go re-read Uncanny 184-209. Frankly, he did it better then, even though I didn't like her getting the bird.

I'd actually agree somewhat here. Claremont's run with Rachel was bad. Grey's End was the only highlight as was the first issue of Wandr'ing Star. However Claremont still had her as a rookie.

Brubaker did better in that he brought some of her edge back to the vallery girl she became. However he still brought in that stupid Phoenix Echo thing and never bothered to go anywhere with it.

[Keith_Martineau]

I've held off my full opinions for 12 issues, and I've defended certain things and deflected certain retarded opinions, always saying "wait and see how it all comes out."

And now I'm totally perplexed.

What was the point of this story? Is the ending we just read the one that was originally intended? Did Ed specifically pick each of these X-Men for what they could bring to the mission, only to blatantly write some of them RIGHT OUT, in the last 10 pages? It doesn't make any sense. It's totally disjointed and I have no idea what to think.

We start this arc off in a basically straight forward manner that makes sense. Xavier wants to stop or help Vulcan, so he chooses a team of X-Men to go after them in space. The reasons he states for bringing these characters along makes sense, moves foward logically.

Then out in space Xavier gets captured. We meet a Final Fantasy character with a piece of the Phoenix Force. Rachel gets some of that, and goes through a little change.

Ultimately, this 12 issue arc was Vulcans story, and as far as that goes, I enjoyed it. I really liked his journey, and how he ended up taking over everything. There is now a true psychopath in charge of the Shi'Ar empire, which is now in some ways embroiled in a Civil War of it's own.

The problems with this arc are all about how the X-Men were handled. I felt their characterization was fine, overall, but truly very little was done with them. None of the X-Men really played the parts they were brought along to play.

Xavier - Heads off with good intentions. THEN he gets kidnapped, turned over to the Shi'Ar, tortured, tossed into the M'Kraan, and ultimately emerges with his powers back. Then he gets sent home with only half his team in a Dues Ex Machina moment, and then he DOESN'T wanna go back in to space? Things are 1000% worse now than before he left. His mission failed spectacularly and he no longer feels any responsibility towards righting the wrong? Or does he have some other plan, finding Magneto and taking HIM out in to space to take on Vulcan?

Nightcrawler - Did...very little. Even as "team leader" he did very little, because the TEAM did very little.

Warpath - An addition that had me excited at the start, and his reasons for being brought along were great, made sense, and gave me high hopes. And he too did very little. He was a blunt instrument, sent in to bust some heads at certain points.

Havok - He came along because he's Vulcans brother. Because the team did very little, he too did very little. Until the end, where he becomes the leader of the Starjammers due to his fathers death. Now, I actually like this conclusion for him because it gives him a far better purpose than being second string X-Men leader in his brothers shadow. Obviously if a good writer wanted to, they could write him effectively and he wouldn't have to BE in his brothers shadow---but this is also an interesting change and development.

Polaris - Also with the Starjammers. Well...at least she avoided character limbo for 12 issues. From Apocalypse caused limbo to Vulcan caused limbo, it's kind of all the same. We never really got an understanding of her new powers and how Apocalypse changed her.

Rachel - She had a large part to play in the middle of the storyline, when Korvus came at them and she received an upgrade to her phoenix powers. It looked like her story was going somewhere. It built upon what Claremont did to her, gave her powers a little upgrade and clarification, added a little to the Phoenix mythos and then...she was abruptly written out of the series.
WTF?! This seemed like it was going somewhere and would figure into the finale in some way. Uber powered Rachel vs. Uber powered Vulcan perhaps? Instead, nothing. In the end, it was a glorious waste of paper and ink.

Darwin - Well, he had some decent growth as a character, demonstrated courage and a never give up attitude. Of course, he can pretty much do anything so...yeah. At least we got a rookie X-Man story that wasn't the typical Claremont rookie X-Man story full of indecision, mentoring and philosophical whining. He was presented with dangers and tried his best against them.

And we met a new character, Korvus. Lotta people hated Korvus. I didn't. I thought he was just fine. Solid back story, solid characterization, and a budding relationship with Rachel that MADE SENSE to anyone who realizes that just because a girl kisses a guy doesn't mean she's a freaking whore. Seriously guys, the two characters have a lot in common, and a little bit of a spiritual connection. They kiss and start a little relationship, and that makes her a whore? Grow up.
My only problem with the character was his Final Fantasy design (i'd have gone more India influenced with perhaps a scimitar rather than a giant final fantasy claymore sword, but thats just me) and the fact that he along with Rachel took up a significant portion of the stories midsection, only to be promptly written out at the end. Nonsensical.

The title of the arc doesn't really make sense either. This was neither the rise nor fall of the Shi'Ar empire. I liked what happened with Vulcan. I like what happened with Lilandra, and Deathbird, and D'Ken, and Corsairs death, the change in the Starjammers, and the state the Shi'Ar empire has been left in at the end...but HUGE portions of the middle were basically filler to get to the end.

In the end it felt like the only issues that mattered were Vulcan's solo issues. This arc could have been paced by telling that story in the first few issues, and spending the last 8 or 9 of them dealing with THAT. I dunno, I can't second guess things like that because I'm not a writer and I don't know whats planned for the future.
But that is the final thing that bothers me. Is Ed telling the truth when he says that he has no plans for how he's left things in space? He's leaving it for another writer to pick up the threads later? That kind of makes the whole thing feel like a waste, honestly.
It's disappointing to think that the writer who spent so much time setting all of that up, is not going to follow up on it himself. If he's just being coy and has plans later, then fine, thats great, but this 12 issue epic has still ended up not so great.
Ed is a great writer, and I think he CAN write team books just fine, I'm a huge fan of his Authority run, so I'm not gonna make excuses like "he just can't write team books." I know he doesn't post here that often cause X-fans are so...voracious, but I really would like to hear his thoughts on some of this.

[drwho]

Perhaps Vulcan will be the main villain in annihilation conquest and the editors made ed change his story to fit like that. Knowing Marvel probably not but it could be a cool idea.

[Christopher O]

I presume Brubaker's point of bringing Lorna around was that she was already IN limbo after Milligan's run, so this way, Brubaker got to write her off by placing her in an interesting spot for future writers to do stuff with her. She certainly did not seem like someone that he wanted to write, but he was nice enough as to put her into an interesting place for future writers to write her (and a dramatic improvement with how she was left off in Milligan's run).

-Brian
I feel like Brubaker said in an interview that he originally wanted Storm but couldn't have her and took Polaris instead. Of course, I could be fabricating that whole thing, but I feel like it happened. Also, I agree with your point. Lorna has definitely been brought to an interesting place. It'll be cool to see what happens next with her, whatever and whenever that may be.

It's also true of Banshee and Black Tom. And I think Nightcrawler and Mystique as well (didn't he once teleport her and she felt no ill effects?)


SEAN
I knew about the Banshee/Black Tom thing, which is equally lame.

[jarrod]

Brian is also at least somewhat resistant to Betsy's psychic weapons. But then, they're not really mutants. ;)

[Flameworthy]

I feel like Brubaker said in an interview that he originally wanted Storm but couldn't have her and took Polaris instead. Of course, I could be fabricating that whole thing, but I feel like it happened. Also, I agree with your point. Lorna has definitely been brought to an interesting place. It'll be cool to see what happens next with her, whatever and whenever that may be.


You're correct in that he originally wanted Storm over Polaris. So basically he brought her along to fill a space on the team. I really don't see how leaving her in space limbo has brought her into an interesting place. We're not even going to see her for who knows how long. Not to mention he disregarded all her recent continuity, and now thanks to him she's hanging all over Alex again like some piece of cheap arm candy, something I really didn't want to see happen.:rolleyes:

[Hi-Fi]

Lemme fix that for ya:

Excalibur Rachel slightly > X-Factor Rictor > Dino-Rachel waaaay > Rictor anywhere else.

-D
You surprise me, Drew. And not in a good way.;)

[The Lucky One]

You surprise me, Drew. And not in a good way.;)

Oh, I'm nothing if not surprising. Just ask my wife.

But if you're telling me you're a fan of pre-X-Factor Rictor, you surprise me a bit too.

How'd you like Y #56? What you were hoping for?

-D

[dotdotdot]

on paper this arc is just glorious. what it's done for all characters involved is pretty interesting and has got great potential.
in execution it was just mediocre. but if you compare it to the past few years of the uncanny it might as well be Don Quixote. let's not forget that. this is still evidence of a fantastic golden age of the xbooks.

[Flight]

My heart is breaking.

[Beast]

on paper this arc is just glorious. what it's done for all characters involved is pretty interesting and has got great potential.
in execution it was just mediocre. but if you compare it to the past few years of the uncanny it might as well be Don Quixote. let's not forget that. this is still evidence of a fantastic golden age of the xbooks.
It must be the most horrible retelling of Don Quixote ever then. Like a high school play version.

[jarrod]

in execution it was just mediocre. but if you compare it to the past few years of the uncanny it might as well be Don Quixote. let's not forget that. this is still evidence of a fantastic golden age of the xbooks.
Are you kidding?! I'd say Uncanny was unquestionably better under Chris+Alan+Chris... it fluctuated wildly, but the characterization was (mostly) solid, plots respected other X-writers and the larger Marvel Universe, arcs came in reasonable lengths, the art was fanatastic and the team itself had a sense of connection and purpose. This book is dramatically worse off right now than it was two years ago imo.

[Flameworthy]

on paper this arc is just glorious. what it's done for all characters involved is pretty interesting and has got great potential.


Uh, what exactly did this arc do for Polaris, aside from her being in the background most of the time and clinging to Alex? Oh, that's right, she's back with the man who not only tried killing her once before, but who also dumped her at their wedding.

[Flight]

Oh, that's right, she's back with the man who not only tried killing her once before, but who also dumped her at their wedding. Alex has a history of mind-control!
In the wedding situation he was being influenced by that little brat Carter.

[streator]

This book is dramatically worse off right now than it was two years ago imo.

uncanny isn't my favorite x-title at the moment but i've certainly enjoyed it more than anything claremont produced immediately before brubaker took over.

[Flameworthy]

Alex has a history of mind-control!
In the wedding situation he was being influenced by that little brat Carter.

Carter only let Alex and Annie share their dreams. He didn't force Alex into falling in love with her.

He also wasn't under any mind control when he nearly killed Lorna either.

[Christopher O]

uncanny isn't my favorite x-title at the moment but i've certainly enjoyed it more than anything claremont produced immediately before brubaker took over.
I'm with you on this one.

Regarding Polaris: Aside from brief glimmers of independence under PAD and later the infamous Howard Mackie, I've always found Lorna to be a weak-willed, codependent character. She's a perpetual victim, and I think it's perfectly in character for her to run to Havok yet again. She finds comfort in him. Don't get me wrong; I love the character. I love that despite her weak will and issues with codependency, which generally lead to insanity or mind-control, she always manages to persevere. There's an underlying strength to her character that's often overshadowed by her more obvious weaknesses.

Of course, he has similar problems. Between them, they've been manipulated and mind-controlled so many times. It probably isn't even worth the risk of having them on the team. :p

[jarrod]

uncanny isn't my favorite x-title at the moment but i've certainly enjoyed it more than anything claremont produced immediately before brubaker took over.
I dunno man, End of Greys was almost flawless. Up there with the Segale/Kelly stuff or Carey's recent work on adjectivless... way above Brubaker's epic snore or even the (decent) Deadly Genesis.

[Flameworthy]

Regarding Polaris: Aside from brief glimmers of independence under PAD and later the infamous Howard Mackie, I've always found Lorna to be a weak-willed, codependent character. She's a perpetual victim, and I think it's perfectly in character for her to run to Havok yet again. She finds comfort in him. Don't get me wrong; I love the character. I love that despite her weak will and issues with codependency, she always manages to persevere. There's an underlying strength to her character that's often overshadowed by her more obvious weaknesses.

Of course, he has similar problems. Between them, they've been manipulated and mind-controlled so many times. It probably isn't even worth the risk of having them on the team. :p

Yeah, except for the fact that she finally came into her own during X-Factor and later continued that way until she went crazy. I don't believe her character is weak or codependent. It wasn't until recently that her character was portrayed that way. It's was also completely out of character for her to turn to Alex. It's not her fault that writers want to shove back into the role as Alex's girlfriend and not allowed to grow, despite the fact that she has shown repeatedly in the past to be her own person who doesn't need Alex or any man to be secure with herself.

I think the fact that both have been mind controlled and manipulated so many times shows that they don't really belong together. Alex did pretty damn good for himself during the Australian X-Men era as well as in Mutant X. The same goes for Lorna when she was on her own in X-Factor and during Magneto: DS. I think both can work well and be a great asset to any team, as long as they're not together.

[Beast]

They're like Rogue and Gambit. They need to be apart so they stop sucking together.

[Christopher O]

Yeah, except for the fact that she finally came into her own during X-Factor and later continued that way until she went crazy.
That's not quite true. When Alex was taken by Dark Beast, Lorna dwelled on it for quite a period of time. It took him nearly killing her before she finally wised up. Then she saw Alex explode in that plane, and she got all weak-willed and pathetic again, and that lasted until she became Magneto's pupil, which became it's own brand of codependency. Then Magneto died, and she went insane. Sorry, I just think it's intrinsic. It's part of her character.

I think the fact that both have been mind controlled and manipulated so many times shows that they don't really belong together.
I don't disagree. I actually don't like them together, but it's still in character for her to run back to him. She always does.

[Flameworthy]

They're like Rogue and Gambit. They need to be apart so they stop sucking together.

Very true.

That's not quite true. When Alex was taken by Dark Beast, Lorna dwelled on it for quite a period of time. It took him nearly killing her before she finally wised up. Then she saw Alex explode in that plane, and she got all weak-willed and pathetic again, and that lasted until she became Magneto's pupil, which became it's own brand of codependency. Then Magneto died, and she went insane. Sorry, I just think it's intrinsic. It's part of her character.

Uh, well what would you have her do, when the man she loved was taken from her?

You also can't tell me you wouldn't be sad/depressed if your ex who you had loved for a very long time (and despite the fact that they hurt) was killed in front of your eyes.

I don't ever seem to recall her clinging to Mageto either. Also if you read Mageneto: DS she turned on him in the end, because she didn't agree with what he was trying to do on Genosha, and she didn't go insane because he died. She went insane because she saw 16 million mutants die, and she couldn't do a thing about it but watch.

I don't disagree. I actually don't like them together, but it's still in character for her to run back to him. She always does.

Sure it's perfectly in character for the current clingy Lorna to run back to him, but the strong and independent X-Factor Lorna wouldn't.

[Beast]

Someone should start a 'Worst X-Couples Thread'.

Havok and Polaris
Gambit and Rogue
Beast and Trish
Cyclops and Emma
Longshot and Dazzler

[Mitteloss]

Poor Polaris, now she's weak willed and dependant on Havok. Most Polaris fans felt it shouldn't be this way, because they've seen in her in X-Factor and...

Well, maybe the writers just don't know how to writer her, they just give her the dreaded "Havok's girlfriend!" position.

She was strong and cool at the end of Milligan's run and going on her own personal mission, with this whole "I don't belong to anyone" attitude. It should have been left this way... not taken into space, used as wallpaper for most of the run and then put in limbo. Blah.

I wanted to reunite her with Magneto, a confrontational reunion. I guess we'll just have to wait a few years. Again. :)

[Christopher O]

Uh, well what would you have her do, when the man she loved was taken from her?
She wasn't just grieving, though. It was more than that. She was in denial. She was paranoid and jumpy.
You also can't tell me you wouldn't be sad/depressed if your ex who you had loved for a very long time (and despite the fact that they hurt) was killed in front of your eyes.
No, I won't tell you that, but that doesn't change the fact that Lorna reverted back to her old ways.

I don't ever seem to recall her clinging to Mageto either.
No, she didn't cling, which is why I said it became it's own brand of codependency.

Also if you read Mageneto: DS she turned on him in the end, because she didn't agree with what he was trying to do on Genosha, and she didn't go insane because he died. She went insane because she saw 16 million mutants die, and she couldn't do a thing about it but watch.
I know all of this, but when she was found, she was calling out for Magneto. Why? I'd say codependency.


Sure it's perfectly in character for the current clingy Lorna to run back to him, but the strong and independent X-Factor Lorna wouldn't.
The strong, independent Lorna was only in existence for a brief period, compared to perpetual-victim Lorna. Again, writers default to that because it's an integral part of the character.

[Daithi]

The strong, independent Lorna was only in existence for a brief period, compared to perpetual-victim Lorna. Again, writers default to that because it's an integral part of the character.

Or it's the only version of Lorna they've read.

[Christopher O]

Or it's the only version of Lorna they've read.
Which only furthers my point...

[Daithi]

Which only furthers my point...

Not really. Just means the writer didn't do too much research. Brubaker missed a chunk of Phoenix history too.

[Frodo-X]

Someone should start a 'Worst X-Couples Thread'.

Havok and Polaris
Gambit and Rogue
Beast and Trish
Cyclops and Emma
Longshot and Dazzler
I'm sure there are some who would add:

Angel & Husk
Angel & Psylocke
Kitty & Colossus
Kitty & Wisdom

Of course, having the last two would turn the thread insanely ugly, so I wouldn't blame you for leaving them off. ;)

[The Lucky One]

Someone should start a 'Worst X-Couples Thread'.

Havok and Polaris
Gambit and Rogue
Beast and Trish
Cyclops and Emma
Longshot and Dazzler

Xavier/Jean
Madrox/Shard

-D

[Christopher O]

Not really. Just means the writer didn't do too much research. Brubaker missed a chunk of Phoenix history too.
Actually Brubaker mentioned in a podcast that he re-read a significant chunk of Claremont's original run along with Morrison's and Whedon's runs, so yeah, he might have missed the X-Factor days. Of course, by the time Bru took over, that Lorna hadn't been seen in many years anyway. His interpretation fits right in with Morrison's, Austen's, and Milligan's--his more immediate predecessors.

[Faded]

I presume Brubaker's point of bringing Lorna around was that she was already IN limbo after Milligan's run, so this way, Brubaker got to write her off by placing her in an interesting spot for future writers to do stuff with her. She certainly did not seem like someone that he wanted to write, but he was nice enough as to put her into an interesting place for future writers to write her (and a dramatic improvement with how she was left off in Milligan's run).

-Brian

I would've preferred Lorna stay in limbo. I don't really have a big complaint on how she was handled during this arc, but I think she went out with a bang at the end of Milligan's run, only to instantly revert to her old ways when Brubaker came on board. I don't see it as a favor to her fans, but maybe for a resolve for Hapovokolaris shippers instead.

With Lorna's involvement as part of the House of M, she definitely could've had stories to come apart from the X-Men.

[Mitteloss]

I would've preferred Lorna stay in limbo. I don't really have a big complaint on how she was handled during this arc, but I think she went out with a bang at the end of Milligan's run, only to instantly revert to her old ways when Brubaker came on board. I don't see it as a favor to her fans, but maybe for a resolve for Hapovokolaris shippers instead.

With Lorna's involvement as part of the House of M, she definitely could've had stories to come apart from the X-Men.

Yeah, I agree..

[Beast]

I'm sure there are some who would add:

Angel & Husk
Angel & Psylocke
Kitty & Colossus
Kitty & Wisdom

Of course, having the last two would turn the thread insanely ugly, so I wouldn't blame you for leaving them off. ;)
Do not bring that evil here. :eek:

[Hi-Fi]

I really liked this issue. I thought Havok was fantastic and brave in it, something I wasn't calling him for a while now. I liked how the two groups got separated and I don't think Hepzibah stranded on Earth felt forced at all. I also enjoyed how the end isn't really the end and the situation is still scary.

My only complain here is Polaris. Can't she speak for herself?? At all?

Other than that, good ending.

[Joe Acro]

I liked this arc. I defended this arc to others. And then I read this issue. I feel ashamed. The M'Kraan Crystal doing things it hasn't shown before. Corsair's death being handled so poorly. Lilandra doing unexplained things pretty much just to make the story work. The heroes not winning. Those are just the first things that jump to mind.

I now hate this arc. Great job, Brubaker.

[Mikl C]

This is the worst issue I've read of anything in a long time.
Lame way for prof to get his powers back.
Lame way to kill Corsair (WTF? WHY)
Lame way to END THE FREAKING SAGA? ie not at all.
LAME.

F-----

[Mikl C]

Other thoughts:
Hepzibah on earth is great cuz I love her, but so out of character. She'd wanna be with the Starjammers.
Did Havok shoot a beam of energy THROUGH Deathbird? That's certainly what the art implied.
The action was all over the place, and during the big battle, them jumping off to have a little covno about getting weapons was so odd. And where was the actual imperial guard preventing anyone from beating on Vulcan?

[Mikl C]

I think the only people who HATED Neal, were Archangel fans.

He really didn't do anything to be hated. I liked him, I thought he and Lifegaurd had a lot of potential.

Most people were just indifferent, i think.

I can't imagine anyone HATING Neal Sharra.

Being totally ambivilant towards him, sure, but he just wasn't important enough in his time in X-Treme to really qualify for hatred.

I hate him.

[dazzler_slave]

Hey does anyone know how poor Brian Ashby (Vash) is handling things right now? I imagine he must be in pretty rough shape what with the death of his idol in this very issue...;)

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I dunno man, End of Greys was almost flawless. Up there with the Segale/Kelly stuff or Carey's recent work on adjectivless... way above Brubaker's epic snore or even the (decent) Deadly Genesis.

Im going to start calling my bowel movements a "deadly genesis"

[Mikl C]

Also: what the f*** was the point in thrwoing Xavier into the crystal, asshat? He pops out 5 mins later with powers now. Good going. When has the crystal EVER done that.
Argh! It's all so lame and wrong!
Why did we get all the Rachel and Korvus buildup for them to do f-all and now go into limbo?
Why did Warpath and Nightcrawler who are actually staying- get no parts at all? Why should I care?
How long is Brubaker on this book?

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Just some thoughts from someone who hasnt read Brubaker other than Deadly genesis

Why doesnt Darwin just walk up to Vulcan and choke him to death? Mr. Spock cant really kill him

When Xavier got his powers back, why didnt he just fried Vulcan's brain?

Or take control of gladiator and have him kick his ass?

Etc.

And why did some of the x-men leave? What just a "eh, we gave it a go. I gotta go back to my TIVO"

Those that left the fight come off looking like cowards and quitters


Corsair doesnt have quit in him. Thats why death wont keep him down for long

Plus he's going to get the phoenix force no doubt.

[jarrod]

The strong, independent Lorna was only in existence for a brief period, compared to perpetual-victim Lorna. Again, writers default to that because it's an integral part of the character.
Which Milligan touched on briefly... part of her Pestilence transformation being making her whole and mentally sound again (no crazy, no co-dependant, no perpetual victim).

Though I don't think Bru really handled her badly either (she certainly got it better than Wallpapercrawler, James "Logan" Proudstar or Herpes Grey)... turning to Alex like she did strikes me as completely natural, plus Lorna wasn't cotowing to Alex, she made the move because it's what *she* wanted. *She* was horny/scared/nostalgic, and *she* took what *she* wanted. She's finally operating on her own desires, not being controlled by them imo.

Lorna and Alex do have a tendancy to fall into the trap most X-couples do though, it being that their individual characters seem to suffer at the expense of the cliche coupling (see also: Scott & Jean, Rogue & Gambit, Warren & Betsy, etc, etc). The only time they've been handled well as a couple was under PAD, but then I'd say that's also by far the best they've been handled period.

If only we could get PAD on a core book...

[jarrod]

Im going to start calling my bowel movements a "deadly genesis"
Gotta admit... at least it was better than Bru's Uncanny run so far.

[Novaya Havoc]

I'm so glad Rachel is in space. Maybe she can join Lila Cheney's intergalactic tour as a skeezy go-go dancer. :p

[jarrod]

Isn't Lila due to be popping up in carey's book. She should Ray back with her...

[Beast]

Isn't Lila due to be popping up in carey's book. She should Ray back with her...
Aye, Carey said Lila would be showing up soon. I assume for the Iceman/Cannonball centric stuff.

[Hi-Fi]

I actually think Lila will appear in the ES backstories. Just a feeling I have...

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

I think Novaya dislikes Lila because Lila is still a popular musician in the marvel universe, and writers use her a lot more often than dazzler.

Not saying its wrong to resent Lila for that, but ....

It is okay to hate her for that kordey bee-hive hairdo she had.

[Beast]

I think Novaya dislikes Lila because Lila is still a popular musician in the marvel universe, and writers use her a lot more often than dazzler.

Not saying its wrong to resent Lila for that, but ....

It is okay to hate her for that kordey bee-hive hairdo she had.
Plus Lila's still hot. Where as Dazzler got saddled with Longshot and X-Babies diaper duty.

[rilokyle]

So I see there's a lot of Polaris/Havok animosity going on so I'm going to give my two cents and play the Devil's Advocate.

I agree that Lorna hasn't really done much in this arc, besides cling to Alex. As a fan of the couple, I'm okay with that- I was very happy that they got back together; but I do understand your anger. I wish she was given more to do than follow Alex around for 12 issues. She had that one conversation with Rachel, but that was basically it.

However, I don't think it was so much Brubaker not knowing how to write her, but more like he didn't have enough time or space (no pun intended) to devote to her. His arc was a lot more focused on Vulcan and the Shi'ar, and had less focus on the X-Men and their personal lives. I mean, given the gravity of the situation, there wasn't really downtime for the X-Men to chill and be given ample room for development and characterization.

That said, the best Polaris issue Brubaker has written is definitely UXM #475- part one of this saga. I re-read it the other day, and it had some really nice Lorna moments- definitely Lorna's most memorable issue. She's independent, kicks ass, and actually speaks to all the characters. To me, this shows that given enough time Brubaker could totally write a kick-ass Lorna. His cast for the arc was just too damn big- too many characters. Not only did he have to write the X-Men, but he had the deal with the Shi'ar, the Royal Family, the Imperial Guard, the Starjammers, and Vulcan.

However, at least he let Lorna kick major Vulcan/Shi'ar ass in this arc. She was fierce in this last issue. I loved her crack about Krakoa.

On a sidenote, I've decided that I really loved Milligan's Lorna. She was SO independent, and he wrote her instability very well. She wasn't a psychopath- she just had insecurities and acted pecuilar and distant. She dated Bobby, but definitely was her own woman- she didn't follow his every command, and showed that while she cared for him, she could handle herself on her own. And her relationship with Alex was awesome too. He was always professing his love her her, showing how much he still cared, but Lorna just kinda took it in, accepted his apology, and did her own thing. She didn't hate him, she just didn't need him or depend on him. Their relationship was best written in X-Men #180. He followed her around the world, and she let him, kinda teasing him in a way. To me, I loved this dynamic. She did care for him, but she was definitely independent.

I hope when we see Lorna and Alex again, they're still together. But I just hope Lorna is still an independent woman. She can fight for herself- she doesn't need Alex to protect her. I have faith Lorna and Alex can still be together without it being a dull, sappy relationship.

And that's all I've got say.

[Dagger]

Plus Lila's still hot. Where as Dazzler got saddled with Longshot and X-Babies diaper duty.
NEX isn't exactly helping her out any.

[Beast]

NEX isn't exactly helping her out any.
I think it is. I actually like her for the first time in ages.

[Faded]

So I see there's a lot of Polaris/Havok animosity going on so I'm going to give my two cents and play the Devil's Advocate.

I agree that Lorna hasn't really done much in this arc, besides cling to Alex. As a fan of the couple, I'm okay with that- I was very happy that they got back together; but I do understand your anger. I wish she was given more to do than follow Alex around for 12 issues. She had that one conversation with Rachel, but that was basically it.

However, I don't think it was so much Brubaker not knowing how to write her, but more like he didn't have enough time or space (no pun intended) to devote to her. His arc was a lot more focused on Vulcan and the Shi'ar, and had less focus on the X-Men and their personal lives. I mean, given the gravity of the situation, there wasn't really downtime for the X-Men to chill and be given ample room for development and characterization.

That said, the best Polaris issue Brubaker has written is definitely UXM #475- part one of this saga. I re-read it the other day, and it had some really nice Lorna moments- definitely Lorna's most memorable issue. She's independent, kicks ass, and actually speaks to all the characters. To me, this shows that given enough time Brubaker could totally write a kick-ass Lorna. His cast for the arc was just too damn big- too many characters. Not only did he have to write the X-Men, but he had the deal with the Shi'ar, the Royal Family, the Imperial Guard, the Starjammers, and Vulcan.

However, at least he let Lorna kick major Vulcan/Shi'ar ass in this arc. She was fierce in this last issue. I loved her crack about Krakoa.

On a sidenote, I've decided that I really loved Milligan's Lorna. She was SO independent, and he wrote her instability very well. She wasn't a psychopath- she just had insecurities and acted pecuilar and distant. She dated Bobby, but definitely was her own woman- she didn't follow his every command, and showed that while she cared for him, she could handle herself on her own. And her relationship with Alex was awesome too. He was always professing his love her her, showing how much he still cared, but Lorna just kinda took it in, accepted his apology, and did her own thing. She didn't hate him, she just didn't need him or depend on him. Their relationship was best written in X-Men #180. He followed her around the world, and she let him, kinda teasing him in a way. To me, I loved this dynamic. She did care for him, but she was definitely independent.

I hope when we see Lorna and Alex again, they're still together. But I just hope Lorna is still an independent woman. She can fight for herself- she doesn't need Alex to protect her. I have faith Lorna and Alex can still be together without it being a dull, sappy relationship.

And that's all I've got say.

I like this. :)

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

You must not have read the early dazzler stuff.

Hell she was even good in the Aussie X-men.

I cant really think of a dazzler i didnt like.


Except Ultimate Dazzler, whom i hate.

[jarrod]

NEX isn't exactly helping her out any.
Not like she had room to go but up. Pink! crop is the new mullet!

[Dagger]

Not like she had room to go but up. Pink! crop is the new mullet!
And we all know how that turned out. Mullet=trailer park.

[Beast]

Not like she had room to go but up. Pink! crop is the new mullet!
I hope Longshot likes it. Those two kids deserve to be happy together.

[jarrod]

And we all know how that turned out. Mullet=trailer park.
I thought mullet=mojoverse? Makes sense either way, I can see Al at home in both.


I hope Longshot likes it. Those two kids deserve to be happy together.
I think Al was just confusing him for Rachel the whole time really.

[DungeonmasterJim]

I wasn't a fan of this conclusion. It felt too much like Brubaker was writing a story for someone else to finish.

12 issues was a lot of comics for a chump villain to take over a wuss alien empire and give Xavier back his powers.

Like I said other places - now that Uncanny Vulcan is over maybe we can get some real X-Men stories.

And um,...with Rachel's tracking device on her back (something I always thought was kind of stupid) won't the wuss alien empire always be able to track her and the Starjammers? Seems like it would be hard for her and the Starjammers to inflict much damage when the empire knows they're coming.

DM Jim

[kate-pryde]

And um,...with Rachel's tracking device on her back (something I always thought was kind of stupid) won't the wuss alien empire always be able to track her and the Starjammers? Seems like it would be hard for her and the Starjammers to inflict much damage when the empire knows they're coming.



That's what I've been wondering. If K'tor sent Korvus after Rachel, they knew exactly where she was then. Why didn't they ever track her again?

Why didn't Lilandra's forces try to use that against the Shi'ar? If the Shi'ar were tracking Rachel, then if she headed to the capital planet during the wedding, then D'Ken would be forced to split his forces.