Magneto vs. King Piccolo

[warhead]

If King piccolo comes to the X-men world and start to take it over the way he did in Dragon ball, and Magneto tried to take him out, would he be able to do it.

[Iron_twister]

somewhat depends if Mags can avoid becoming a long smear on the wall as King Piccolo proceeds to perform the usually tactic known as operation speedblitz.

[Chrosis]

somewhat depends if Mags can avoid becoming a long smear on the wall as King Piccolo proceeds to perform the usually tactic known as operation speedblitz.

Magneto's auto-shields have taken a pounding from Thor, so I don't think King Piccolo is going to do squat to him.

[warhead]

You are underestimating Piccolo. king piccolo can casually blow up cities with one wave of his hand. These are nuclear blast attacks that he easily throw. He can also take a moon busting hit like its nothing. He can bust small planets like mercury. The power he displayed rival those of the current normal superman.

[Chrosis]

You are underestimating Piccolo. king piccolo can casually blow up cities with one wave of his hand. These are nuclear blast attacks that he easily throw. He can also take a moon busting hit like its nothing. He can bust small planets like mercury. The power he displayed rival those of the current superman.

And Thor has taken hits from Galactus, Devourer of Worlds.

And youre REALLY over-hyping King Piccolo. The first time the Z-Fighters came across a planet buster was when Goku fought Vegeta at full power during the end of the Saiyan Saga.

King Piccolo is not a planet-buster. He's a Moon-Buster.

On the Comic Book Rumble forums, we go by feats. KP has no feats that put him above Moon-Buster, while Magneto's shields have taken hits from people capable of fighting a serpent that can literally crush the Earth with it's coils.*

*See Jormungand

[NilExtropus]

Roshi destroying the moon was PIS if you ask me, it made absolutely no sense within the confines of the characters' powers at that time in the manga.

Picollo Daimao never demonstrated anything anywhere near moon or planet busting, at best he is a city buster, and he was exhausted after just two city busting attacks.

Mags easily takes this.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Magneto's auto-shields have taken a pounding from Thor, so I don't think King Piccolo is going to do squat to him.

i thought it wasruled he didnt have autosheilds

but thats what i was feeling if he can raise his sheilds before piccolo nukes him its over for piccolo

but hell can namek phsyiology be emped? he has purple blood..i think is that even metalic?

i mean i could see him ripping the copper out of spocks blod.but what is namekian phsyiology?

[Iron_twister]

after hearing from Chrosis and NilExtropus, i didn't think Mags was this strong :eek:

at least i learn that you don't F-ed with Mags. better learn more on my X-men.

[warhead]

And Thor has taken hits from Galactus, Devourer of Worlds.

And youre REALLY over-hyping King Piccolo. The first time the Z-Fighters came across a planet buster was when Goku fought Vegeta at full power during the end of the Saiyan Saga.

King Piccolo is not a planet-buster. He's a Moon-Buster.

On the Comic Book Rumble forums, we go by feats. KP has no feats that put him above Moon-Buster, while Magneto's shields have taken hits from people capable of fighting a serpent that can literally crush the Earth with it's coils.*



Thor has a greater defense, that doesn't mean he can throw more powerful attacks. You want to go by feats? Be my guest, when is the last time Thor blew up a planet larger than Mercury? And when has Magneto done anything more than blanketing the world?

The Moon is larger than pluto and almost the size of mercury. King Piccolo is more than twice as powerful of Roshi, he is a small planet buster plain and simple.


Roshi destroying the moon was PIS if you ask me, it made absolutely no sense within the confines of the characters' powers at that time in the manga.


And you think that Mageto taking Galactus's hit isn't?:eek:
Comic books are full of PIS. Wolverine beating the Hulk? Spiderman beating Superboy? Magneto getting beaten by the X-men?
Manga has much less PIS. Most fights in DBZ can be pre-determined. In fact I have not seen much of PIS in DBZ at all. It is almost mathematical in its calculation of who would win. When is the last time you see Krilin beating Goku?

Actually the earth is alot more massive than the Moon, going by rough calculation, Roshi could blow up the moon. So its not PIS.


Picollo Daimao never demonstrated anything anywhere near moon or planet busting, at best he is a city buster, and he was exhausted after just two city busting attacks.

Lol, So you choose to go by what you believe? Roshi destroyed the moon, Piccolo during the beginning of DBZ did it again efforlessly. Its a feat, you can't just ignore what you don't want to accept.
Piccolo wasn't exhausted at all. He blew up a city with a single wave of his hand with ease. His most powerful attack, like all DBZ attacks can be concentrated, so it does not to be massively destructive.


but hell can namek phsyiology be emped? he has purple blood..i think is that even metalic?

i mean i could see him ripping the copper out of spocks blod.but what is namekian phsyiology?

Note that DBZ characters can control the flow of their Chi, which almost means their blood. Nameks can also regenerate any part of their body as long as their brain is intact. I don't see this as a curbstomp on either side.

[Chrosis]

Thor has a greater defense, that doesn't mean he can throw more powerful attacks. You want to go by feats? Be my guest, when is the last time Thor blew up a planet larger than Mercury? And when has Magneto done anything more than blanketing the world?

The Moon is larger than pluto and almost the size of mercury. King Piccolo is more than twice as powerful of Roshi, he is a small planet buster plain and simple.



And you think that Mageto taking Galactus's hit isn't?:eek:
Comic books are full of PIS. Mangas has much less of these.
Actually the earth is alot more massive than the Moon, going by rough calculation, Roshi could blow up the moon. So its not PIS.



Lol, So you choose to go by what you believe? Roshi destroyed the moon, Piccolo during the beginning of DBZ did it again efforlessly. Its a feat, you can't just ignore what you don't want to accept.
Piccolo wasn't exhausted at all. He blew up a city with a single wave of his hand with ease. His most powerful attack, like all DBZ attacks can be concentrated, so it does not to be massively destructive.

You forgot to mention that DBZ Piccolo >>>>>>>>>>>>> King Piccolo.

And apparently defeating a creature that can crush the earth with it's coils means nothing to you in terms of attacking power for Thor?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Thor has a greater defense, that doesn't mean he can throw more powerful attacks. You want to go by feats? Be my guest, when is the last time Thor blew up a planet larger than Mercury? And when has Magneto done anything more than blanketing the world?

The Moon is larger than pluto and almost the size of mercury. King Piccolo is more than twice as powerful of Roshi, he is a small planet buster plain and simple.



And you think that Mageto taking Galactus's hit isn't?:eek:
Comic books are full of PIS. Wolverine beating the Hulk? Spiderman beating Superboy? Magneto getting beaten by the X-men?
Manga has much less PIS. Most fights in DBZ can be pre-determined. In fact I have not seen much of PIS in DBZ at all. It is almost mathematical in its calculation of who would win. When is the last time you see Krilin beating Goku?

Actually the earth is alot more massive than the Moon, going by rough calculation, Roshi could blow up the moon. So its not PIS.



Lol, So you choose to go by what you believe? Roshi destroyed the moon, Piccolo during the beginning of DBZ did it again efforlessly. Its a feat, you can't just ignore what you don't want to accept.
Piccolo wasn't exhausted at all. He blew up a city with a single wave of his hand with ease. His most powerful attack, like all DBZ attacks can be concentrated, so it does not to be massively destructive.



Note that DBZ characters can control the flow of their Chi, which almost means their blood. Nameks can also regenerate any part of their body as long as their brain is intact.


how does chi flow mean thety;re blood

where are you getitng this? show me proof....

secondly thors done things with his hammer like blast celestials..and drive back things..that would curbstomp mosrt of the dbz senshi

and this is coming from a guy who has argued for dbz alot

[warhead]

You forgot to mention that DBZ Piccolo >>>>>>>>>>>>> King Piccolo.

And apparently defeating a creature that can crush the earth with it's coils means nothing to you in terms of attacking power for Thor?


umm DBZ Piccolo at the beginning had a powerlevel of 400. DB King Piccolo probably had a powerlevel close to 300. It wasn't that much different. DBZ Piccolo effortlessly blew up the moon in a split moment with just two fingers. A slight charge on the part of king piccolo is enough for him to take out the moon with one hand.
Have I said Thor was weak? No. But Piccolo has demonstrated incredible feats too.

[KingEli]

Piccolo has Blood. Magneto controls Iron. There's Iron in Blood.

Guees what Happens.

[warhead]

how does chi flow mean thety;re blood

where are you getitng this? show me proof....

secondly thors done things with his hammer like blast celestials..and drive back things..that would curbstomp mosrt of the dbz senshi

and this is coming from a guy who has argued for dbz alot


http://www.damo-qigong.net/qi-theory.htm

"Qi has the function of controlling the flow of Blood and Body Fluids to prevent extravasation or unnecessary loss of Body Fluids."

Has it ring that these could just be PIS to you? When is the last time that Thor himself(not the upgraded Thor) has accomplished a feat that is planet busting? Assuming he is about Superman level, as I recall, current superman has trouble moving the moon.

I did argue for DBZ, but I only use logic. I am by no means a DB fan. I like comic just as much as Manga.

[warhead]

Piccolo has Blood. Magneto controls Iron. There's Iron in Blood.

Guees what Happens.

As I stated, controlling your Qi is capable of controlling your blood. Furthermore, Piccolo is a Namek, his body regeneration abilities are incredible.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

http://www.damo-qigong.net/qi-theory.htm

"Qi has the function of controlling the flow of Blood and Body Fluids to prevent extravasation or unnecessary loss of Body Fluids."

Has it ring that these could just be PIS to you? When is the last time that Thor himself has accomplished a feat that is planet busting?

I did argue for DBZ, but I only use logic. I am by no means a DB fan. I like comic just as much as Manga. So please do not use this as an argument, focus on the actual topic.

no your not arguing lofgically because your dismisisng magnus feats and upscaling dbz feats

secondfly that website is not admisisable as evidence

[warhead]

I didn't upscale DB feats at all. I don't even care who wins.
I stated what was demonstrated. I see lots of talk, but no evidence, so let me ask you again, when is the last time that Magneto has demonstrated feats that rivals even moon busting? If you could present the evidence, I will admit that Magneto is more powerful. but until you do that, you are the one that lacks evidence and logic.


secondfly that website is not admisisable as evidence


You can google it and countless websites will give you the same ansewr. As a practitioner of Tai Chi, I know what Chi is, it is just a manipulation of your blood.

[KingEli]

As I stated, controlling your Qi is capable of controlling your blood. Furthermore, Piccolo is a Namek, his body regeneration abilities are incredible.

Yeah and Magnus has Planetary-Level Control of The EM Spectrum.

So Magnus stops his blood flow then crushes his skull.

[Chrosis]

I see lots of talk, but no evidence, so let me ask you again, when is the last time that Magneto has demonstrated feats that rivals even moon busting?

In attack power? He doesn't have to.

He just has to keep from getting killed long enough to either rip all the blood out of Piccolo, or use the iron in his blood to destroy his internal organs.

Or he can just plain tear him in half.

Either way...

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I didn't upscale DB feats at all. I don't even care who wins.
I stated what was demonstrated. I see lots of talk, but no evidence, so let me ask you again, when is the last time that Magneto has demonstrated feats that rivals even moon busting? If you could present the evidence, I will admit that Magneto is more powerful. but until you do that, you are the one that lacks evidence and logic.

lets see her he has taken blasts from above moion busters who sheilds still held..as far as i reember

he took on the avnegers with thor..and storm actively triyng to blow him away and survived

his body withstood dsome device that aped up his power and the empsectrum of the world

no..the mans durability is a stounding-how will they get threw his sheilds

[Jammin]

Feats wise Magneto's shielding is nigh-indestructible on these boards, casually taking hits from the likes Dark Phoenix and Thor, which, needless to say is far above King Piccolo.

KP is going to be bashing on Mag's shielding to no avail and then Mags opens up a wormhole and sends KP somewhere far far away for a ring out.

Check. and. Mate

Eric 10/10

[warhead]

Yeah and Magnus has Planetary-Level Control of The EM Spectrum.

So Magnus stops his blood flow then crushes his skull.


And Piccolo manipulate his Chi to easily destroy moons. Furthermore, we tend to think that Magneto has absolute control over the electromagnetic spectrum. But even the control of such forces have limits. For example, I doubt he could move a metal object the size of the sun. So its a matter of whether Piccolo's Chi moving ability is greater than Magneto's magnetic power. In either case I brought the topic up because I though this will be a good fight, not because I knew one side will easily triumph over the other.

[warhead]

lets see her he has taken blasts from above moion busters who sheilds still held..as far as i reember

he took on the avnegers with thor..and storm actively triyng to blow him away and survived

his body withstood dsome device that aped up his power and the empsectrum of the world

I still want the evidence. Besides even if he will be able to block Piccolo's attack(assuming the later doesn't speed blitz him), its still interesting how he will be able to kill him.


Thor, which, needless to say is far above King Piccolo.




Thor's attack far above king piccolo? Do you have prove of that?


KP is going to be bashing on Mag's shielding to no avail and then Mags opens up a wormhole and sends KP somewhere far far away for a ring out.

Only if its that easy. First, how would Magneto send him away? You do realize that just Old Piccolo's speed is alot faster than Goku's who could already dodge bullets in the 21st tournament.

[Chrosis]

And Piccolo manipulate his Chi to easily destroy moons. Furthermore, we tend to think that Magneto has absolute control over the electromagnetic spectrum. But even the control of such forces have limits. For example, I doubt he could move a metal object the size of the sun. So its a matter of whether Piccolo's Chi moving ability is greater than Magneto's magnetic power. In either case I brought the topic up because I though this will be a good fight, not because I knew one side will easily triumph over the other.

People from DBZ can take Ki from the unwilling? I always thought that they put a big emphasis on how the other person had to want to give them the energy. Look at the Spirit Bomb, for instance.

And since when does DBZ Ki have anything to do with controlling the magnetic spectrum?

[NilExtropus]

You can't simply extrapolate from Roshi's feat because it makes no sense. That's what the whole SMvFL rule was invented for. Picollo Daimao going all out could barely release two city - destroying blasts and was exhausted after that. Show me real evidence that he can destroy moons and planets, not your rampant unfounded speculations.

Furthermore, when has anyone in DBZ used their ki to manipulate their own blood to block an internal attack like that? You can't just assume that they can with no evidence. Ki doesn't exist in real life, so posting articles from new - age paranormal bullshit websites is about as convincing as posting an article that says someone saw Bigfoot in Texas and using that as evidence that a fictional version of bigfoot is familiar with Texas.

[KingEli]

Nothing. Not a damned thing.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Nothing. Not a damned thing.

what was your question

[warhead]

People from DBZ can take Ki from the unwilling? I always thought that they put a big emphasis on how the other person had to want to give them the energy. Look at the Spirit Bomb, for instance.

And since when does DBZ Ki have anything to do with controlling the magnetic spectrum?

Thats not what I meant. (Spirit bomb isn't Qi, its spirit energy) What I meant was Magneto manipulating the magnet in the blood part. If DB characters have Chi(and therefore blood) manipulating abilities, it wouldn't be easy for Magneto to just control their body at will. And there are no evidence that if you retract the iron from your blood in DB, the character dies.

[Jammin]

Thor's attack far above king piccolo? Do you have prove of that?

Now I note you said earlier that you are not a DB fan and you are just as much a comic fan as you are a manga fan. I find this rather funny and contradictory to how you are debating.

Anyway, Thor has lifted and defeated the midgard Serpent, a snake that was literally the size of a planet. His other powers like his godblast have managed to stop Juggernaut in his tracks. Now, bieng the comic fan that you say you are, I assume you know how significant for anything to slow down let alone stop Juggernaut.



Only if its that easy. First, how would Magneto send him away? You do realize that just Old Piccolo's speed is alot faster than Goku's who could already dodge bullets in the 21st tournament.

So KP escapes the pull of a wormhole because he's faster than bullets?

[NilExtropus]

Thats not what I meant. (Spirit bomb isn't Qi, its spirit energy)

What's the difference?

Define both of these terms now and explain how they differ.


What I meant was Magneto manipulating the magnet in the blood part. If DB characters have Chi(and therefore blood) manipulating abilities, it wouldn't be easy for Magneto to just control their body at will. And there are no evidence that if you retract the iron from your blood in DB, the character dies.

So how do they get oxygen to their blood then?

[KingEli]

Thats not what I meant. (Spirit bomb isn't Qi, its spirit energy) What I meant was Magneto manipulating the magnet in the blood part. If DB characters have Chi(and therefore blood) manipulating abilities, it wouldn't be easy for Magneto to just control their body at will. And there are no evidence that if you retract the iron from your blood in DB, the character dies.

Since when they ever manipulated blood?

That souds like a bunch of Bullshit.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

]I still want the evidence. Besides even if he will be able to block Piccolo's attack(assuming the later doesn't speed blitz him), its still interesting how he will be able to kill him.

hot damn..chekc out a magneto respect thread..

or hey can king piccolo put out more power then dakr phoenix?

Thor's attack far above king piccolo? Do you have prove of that?

lets see..."i;m the juggernaut bitch@!!" thor "mioghty odin lend me help *fires his friggen hammer at him juggernaut staggers back* he may not stop the jugegrnaut

but no body in dbz could do that shy of freiza level up

Only if its that easy. First, how would Magneto send him away? You do realize that just Old Piccolo's speed is alot faster than Goku's who could already dodge bullets in the 21st tournament

magz is atleast as fast as him..i thnk he flew across the planet in one scan pretty dman quick...what else? oh yea..murdered jean grey

do you have any idea how much power it takes to do that?

ot for that matter whats gonna stop magz form raisng his sheilds thren opening a worm hole beneath piccolo or ripping the iron out of his blood or what ever metal his bood is based off of

[warhead]

You can't simply extrapolate from Roshi's feat because it makes no sense. That's what the whole SMvFL rule was invented for. Picollo Daimao going all out could barely release two city - destroying blasts and was exhausted after that. Show me real evidence that he can destroy moons and planets, not your rampant unfounded speculations.

Furthermore, when has anyone in DBZ used their ki to manipulate their own blood to block an internal attack like that? You can't just assume that they can with no evidence. Ki doesn't exist in real life, so posting articles from new - age paranormal bullshit websites is about as convincing as posting an article that says someone saw Bigfoot in Texas and using that as evidence that a fictional version of bigfoot is familiar with Texas.


Right, so Magneto taking Galactus's shot makes lots of sense?
Roshi's feat makes sense. Why wouldn't it? Piccolo didn't go all out to destroy just a city. Remember the part where he picked lots of the 72 regions of the world every year, and would destroy it when he picked the country? He also demonstrated right in front of the king that he could take outa city with just a single blast from his hands.
Its not nor rampant unspeculated speculation, Master Roshi did it, and young Piccolo did it again, the evidence is flat out in front of your face. You are just denying it because it doesn't satisfy your pre-determined conclusion. All of the accusations you give me can easily be applied to you.

[GrampaGen]

You can google it and countless websites will give you the same ansewr. As a practitioner of Tai Chi, I know what Chi is, it is just a manipulation of your blood.

Which worked great when Freeza shot Piccolo through the lung, right?

No, he was dying of bloodloss and hanging by a thread!

Therefore we can extrapolate that vital organ damage cannot be regenerated by a Namek as quickly as, say, Wolverine.

Also, how did King Piccolo die? By having Goku rip right through him. Where was his amazing regeneration there?

If Magneto can get his blood-ripping going (and AFAIK all blood has some sort of metal in it) and rip Piccolo's organs, he isn't getting up from that.

Now then, there is the matter of whether or not Magneto can get his shields up on time, which I'm not sure about. Some say he has auto shields, yet I've seen a scan where Black Bolt managed to sucker punch him.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I didn't upscale DB feats at all. I don't even care who wins.
I stated what was demonstrated. I see lots of talk, but no evidence, so let me ask you again, when is the last time that Magneto has demonstrated feats that rivals even moon busting? If you could present the evidence, I will admit that Magneto is more powerful. but until you do that, you are the one that lacks evidence and logic.



You can google it and countless websites will give you the same ansewr. As a practitioner of Tai Chi, I know what Chi is, it is just a manipulation of your blood.

all those wbesitre arent amdissable as cannon

i want proof from the series or qwoutes from toryiama that his chi works that way

[NilExtropus]

Now I note you said earlier that you are not a DB fan and you are just as much a comic fan as you are a manga fan. I find this rather funny and contradictory to how you are debating.

Anyway, Thor has lifted and defeated the midgard Serpent, a snake that was literally the size of a planet. His other powers like his godblast have managed to stop Juggernaut in his tracks. Now, bieng the comic fan that you say you are, I assume you know how significant for anything to slow down let alone stop Juggernaut.

Not to mention he has taken on and hindered Thanos with his attacks, KO'd Surfer, staggered Surtur (who is a confirmed galaxy buster), beat down people like Adam Warlock, Doctor Strange, and Drax all at once (who are all casual planet busters), his godblast is often described as having the power to shatter a planet, he broke the armor of Exitar the Celestial, with a blow that shook the entire planet and demolished cities and mountains all across it, he absorbed a blast that would have destroyed 1/5th of the entire universe, he has absorbed all the energy from a star and then reignited it, and that's all just off the top of my head.

[NilExtropus]

Right, so Magneto taking Galactus's shot makes lots of sense?

Considering Galactus wasn't even consciously trying to attack him and it was only a reflex as a result of his and Xavier's psychic probe, yes, it does make sense in context. You would know that if you had actually read the comic.


Roshi's feat makes sense. Why wouldn't it? Piccolo didn't go all out to destroy just a city. Remember the part where he picked lots of the 72 regions of the world every year, and would destroy it when he picked the country? He also demonstrated right in front of the king that he could take outa city with just a single blast from his hands.

Because destroying one section of the surface of the planet over a span of a year = moon and planet destroying.:rolleyes:



Its not nor rampant unspeculated speculation, Master Roshi did it, and young Piccolo did it again

The latter was far stronger than Picollo Daimao. Besides, people on this board always demand that a feat be repeated 3 - 5 times for it to not count as PIS or SMvFL.


the evidence is flat out in front of your face. You are just denying it because it doesn't satisfy your pre-determined conclusion. All of the accusations you give me can easily be applied to you.

Oh, boo - hoo. Someone call the WAAAAAAAAMbulance.

[warhead]

Since when they ever manipulated blood?


If you have any idea of the principles behind Qi, you wouldn't be so confused.



lets see..."i;m the juggernaut bitch@!!" thor "mioghty odin lend me help *fires his friggen hammer at him juggernaut staggers back* he may not stop the jugegrnaut

but no body in dbz could do that shy of freiza level up


I'm really tired of arguing here. Many of you are constantly applying double standards. I want actual feat, not PIS and not assumptions.


magz is atleast as fast as him..i thnk he flew across the planet in one scan pretty dman quick...what else? oh yea..murdered jean grey

do you have any idea how much power it takes to do that?

ot for that matter whats gonna stop magz form raisng his sheilds thren opening a worm hole beneath piccolo or ripping the iron out of his blood or what ever metal his bood is based off of

I'm talking about reflex speed, not flying speed. Roshi and Krilin at the beginning of DB could think in 0.3 of a second and pull of all those moves when the audience couldn't even see it. Magneto is not superhuman. There is no evidence that he would be able to see Piccolo's movement.

[Chrosis]

If you have any idea of the principles behind Qi, you wouldn't be so confused.




I'm really tired of arguing here. Many of you are constantly applying double standards. I want actual feat, not PIS and not assumptions.



I'm talking about reflex speed, not flying speed. Roshi and Krilin at the beginning of DB could think in 0.3 of a second and pull of all those moves when the audience couldn't even see it. Magneto is not superhuman. There is no evidence that he would be able to see Piccolo's movement.

Because Magneto's never fought Quicksilver, Thor, SS, Northstar, Aurora...:rolleyes:

And Tai Chi in our world has NOTHING to do with Chi in the DBZ world. Unless you're saying that if you had enough control of your Chi, you could fly and make energy blasts and become fairly invulnerable to physical harm.

[KingEli]

If you have any idea of the principles behind Qi, you wouldn't be so confused.



.

Since I watch DB and DBZ, I know how their Ki works and Never have they ever shown Blood Control.

So you giving them powers they don't even have. In other words you are making bullshit.

[GrampaGen]

If you have any idea of the principles behind Qi, you wouldn't be so confused.

As far as Dragonball is concerned all it does is jack up your physical stats and allow you to throw giant laser beams. It doesn't have many other functions than that, an definitely not blood control.

[GrampaGen]

Anyways, on the issue of speed...how fast do Quicksilver and Northstar go on average?

I have no question about Magneto's power output and defensive capability, but in the avenue of speed how's he on that? Above peak human for sure, but by how much?

[Chrosis]

Anyways, on the issue of speed...how fast do Quicksilver and Northstar go on average?

I have no question about Magneto's power output and defensive capability, but in the avenue of speed how's he on that? Above peak human for sure, but by how much?

I'm not really sure where they clock at for maximum speed, actually...

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

If you have any idea of the principles behind Qi, you wouldn't be so confused.


if you had any idea about whats allowed in debates you wpuld know you need to cite instances in dbz where they showed chi and blod manipulation

I'm really tired of arguing here. Many of you are constantly applying double standards. I want actual feat, not PIS and not assumptions.

so..your running away?

I'm talking about reflex speed, not flying speed. Roshi and Krilin at the beginning of DB could think in 0.3 of a second and pull of all those moves when the audience couldn't even see it. Magneto is not superhuman. There is no evidence that he would be able to see Piccolo's movement.

he's not super human? HE'S NOT SUPER HUMAN? so..he sues tehcxnology to do the mangetic freast funny how i thought it was under his own power

your not getting this guys sheilds ahve taken blasts bye things desinged to *hurt celestials..friggen clestials..you know giuy who throw down planerts like their base balls? snd where asked by galactus to battle with cosmics against friggen thanos when he ahd the iG

[NilExtropus]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_22.jpg

Northstar attacks the guy 1000 times before he even realizes he's being hit

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_13.jpg

Aurora searches every room in a large apartment building as it is collapsing

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_18.jpg

Aurora dodging lightning

[Jammin]

I'm not really sure where they clock at for maximum speed, actually...

Pietro clocks at about Mach 10 I think and Northstar is implied to be faster seeing as how Jean-Paul blitzed Pietro.

Pietro even heard the sonic boom and everything and still couldn't stop him.

[Jammin]

I could well have missed out many feats because I have not read all the comic with Magneto in it. That is why I ask for people to present actual power attacks conducted by Magneto.
You honestly think that the Magneto defenders are unbiased in their argument? I see double standards everywhere, especially the case of PIS.

Tell you what. You pick out and quote where you think people are bringing forth double standards and cases of PIS and I'll try to clear it up for you.

[Chrosis]

No he wasn't dying of blood loss. He was hurt because he got shot in the lung. How do you even came to the conclusion that he can't regenerate as fast as wolverine? I doubt that wolverine would be walking if he has a hole through his lung. King Piccolo died when half of his upper body was missing. I doubt drawing your blood out of your body would cause that much damage.

Whether or not Chi is real is not even the point. Its the principle thats important. Magneto's power aren't real too. Or can't you see that. You are the one full of shit.

No, you just don't know anything about Qi. Its concentrating your vital force. Its a common knowledge to people of east. I'm certain that the author of Dragon Ball knows that.

On the other hand, its also bullshit that a person could die when they have their iron drawn out of their body. Hemoglobins only contain a small portion of iron. So unless Magneto has shown that he could kill Piccolo, there are no scientific basis underneath it.

Then this wouldn't even matter in the discussion because we do not know the power level of the attack. Relevence.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm talking about reflexes.

I could well have missed out many feats because I have not read all the comic with Magneto in it. That is why I ask for people to present actual power attacks conducted by Magneto.
You honestly think that the Magneto defenders are unbiased in their argument? I see double standards everywhere, especially the case of PIS.

More PIS? Why do you think that Manga has so much PIS? When comic displayed a consistent pattern of such traits?

DBZ Ki never has and never will have anything to do with blood flow. If they have such good control of blood flow, why don't DBZ characters immediately redirect bloodflow from their wounds to avoid blood loss?

And why are you consistantly ignoring Magneto's ability to stand up to high level threats.

[NilExtropus]

I doubt that wolverine would be walking if he has a hole through his lung. King Piccolo died when half of his upper body was missing. I doubt drawing your blood out of your body would cause that much damage.

Wolverine regenerated from only a skeleton in just a few seconds.



Whether or not Chi is real is not even the point. Its the principle thats important. Magneto's power aren't real too. Or can't you see that. You are the one full of shit.


I never claimed Magneto's powers were real, that's a strawman argument. The point is that you used an outside reference based on what people thought ki was in real life in order to support your argument, which does not count as evidence.



No, you just don't know anything about Qi. Its concentrating your vital force. Its a common knowledge to people of east. I'm certain that the author of Dragon Ball knows that.

Except you just admitted it wasn't real.


On the other hand, its also bullshit that a person could die when they have their iron drawn out of their body. Hemoglobins only contain a small portion of iron. So unless Magneto has shown that he could kill Piccolo, there are no scientific basis underneath it.

Yes because having your body ripped apart from the inside through millions of internal and external lacerations wouldn't hurt a bit, right?:rolleyes:


Then this wouldn't even matter in the discussion because we do not know the power level of the attack. Relevence.

It casually levelled a base that was stated to dwarf the largest cities on earth. Which is far more than Picollo Daimao has ever done.


In case you haven't noticed, I'm talking about reflexes.

And you're still wrong.


I could well have missed out many feats because I have not read all the comic with Magneto in it.


Neither have I. In fact I doubt anyone here has. That doesn't excuse complete ignorance about his abilities.



That is why I ask for people to present actual power attacks conducted by Magneto.

Which we have done already and you have just ignored them.


You honestly think that the Magneto defenders are unbiased in their argument? I see double standards everywhere, especially the case of PIS.

Then point them out.


More PIS? Why do you think that Manga has so much PIS? When comic displayed a consistent pattern of such traits?

The whole point is that it happens all the time. Therefore it's consistent, and not PIS. Unlike Roshi's SMvFL feat.

[GrampaGen]

No he wasn't dying of blood loss. He was hurt because he got shot in the lung. How do you even came to the conclusion that he can't regenerate as fast as wolverine? I doubt that wolverine would be walking if he has a hole through his lung. King Piccolo died when half of his upper body was missing. I doubt drawing your blood out of your body would cause that much damage.

Whether or not Chi is real is not even the point. Its the principle thats important. Magneto's power aren't real too. Or can't you see that. You are the one full of shit.

No, you just don't know anything about Qi. Its concentrating your vital force. Its a common knowledge to people of east. I'm certain that the author of Dragon Ball knows that.

On the other hand, its also bullshit that a person could die when they have their iron drawn out of their body. Hemoglobins only contain a small portion of iron. So unless Magneto has shown that he could kill Piccolo, there are no scientific basis underneath it.


1. So you admit they're not regenerating from such injuries. Thank you. As for Wolverine, yes, he has healed from such injuries. He often gets shot full of holes in spite of his abilities to demonstrate he can survive being perforated by bullets.

2. The definition of Qi as defined by ancient Asian cultures by way of blood control and such is irrelevant to the discussion, because no Dragonball character has ever exhibited those specific abilities, ever. They just amp their stats and shoot laser beams.

3. Magneto drawing metals out of the body rips holes through tissues and major organs. Scientific basis? It's equally ridiculous as blood control, but that's comics for you. The major difference is Magneto has demonstrated that he CAN kill someone like that, wheras no Dragonball character has demonstrated precision blood control.

So, if Magneto ripped several holes through Piccolo's lungs, heart, spleen, ovaries, etc, Piccolo wouldn't be able to regenerate from that. He would be a heap of skin and bones.

[warhead]

Tell you what. You pick out and quote where you think people are bringing forth double standards and cases of PIS and I'll try to clear it up for you.

Be my guest. Its already posted, but I will post them again. They think Roshi's moon busting feat is PIS, but they do not think that Magneto having reflex to stand speed blitz isn't?



DBZ Ki never has and never will have anything to do with blood flow. If they have such good control of blood flow, why don't DBZ characters immediately redirect bloodflow from their wounds to avoid blood loss?

And why are you consistantly ignoring Magneto's ability to stand up to high level threats.

Since when have DBZ characters ever suffer from blood loss? They haven't. They only suffer from Qi loss.
I didn't ignore Magneto's abilities. I think there are lots of PIS involved, and Magneto simply haven't shown that he has any incredible offensive or destructive attacks that is up to planet busting.

[Chrosis]

Since when have DBZ characters ever suffer from blood loss? They haven't. They only suffer from Qi loss.
I didn't ignore Magneto's abilities. I think there are lots of PIS involved, and Magneto simply haven't shown that he has any incredible offensive or destructive attacks that is up to planet busting.

So according to you, DBZ characters don't need blood?!:eek:

He doesn't need to be planet busting! King Piccolo is not even a planet busting threat!

And Magneto is very capable of plain tearing King Piccolo in half without use of the blood stream!

[KingEli]

Be my guest. Its already posted, but I will post them again. They think Roshi's moon busting feat is PIS, but they do not think that Magneto having reflex to stand speed blitz isn't?




Since when have DBZ characters ever suffer from blood loss? They haven't. They only suffer from Qi loss.
I didn't ignore Magneto's abilities. I think there are lots of PIS involved, and Magneto simply haven't shown that he has any incredible offensive or destructive attacks that is up to planet busting.

So thy don't need blood now? Your full of BS aren't you?

[NilExtropus]

Be my guest. Its already posted, but I will post them again. They think Roshi's moon busting feat is PIS, but they do not think that Magneto having reflex to stand speed blitz isn't?

Because Roshi did that once, and it completely didn't mesh with his other showings. Magneto has reacted to blitzes from fast characters multiple times consistently.


Since when have DBZ characters ever suffer from blood loss? They haven't. They only suffer from Qi loss.

That's so stupid I don't even know what to say.


I didn't ignore Magneto's abilities. I think there are lots of PIS involved, and Magneto simply haven't shown that he has any incredible offensive or destructive attacks that is up to planet busting.

Did anyone here claim Magneto could destroy a planet?

Well he might be able to, going all out, but I don't think there's any proof.

Anyway, that's irrelevant, because Picollo Daimao is nowhere near planet destroying levels, and being able to destroy a planet doesn't automatically guarantee you a win anyway against someone who can't depending on both characters' powers and the situation.

For example, Saint of Killers can't destroy a planet, but he would easily slaughter everyone in the DBZverse.

[GrampaGen]

Since when have DBZ characters ever suffer from blood loss? They haven't. They only suffer from Qi loss.

Yamcha, Piccolo, Freeza, Vegeta and Goku, among others, all have had instances of heavy blood loss, from being punched in the torso, being punched through the torso, and coughing up rivers of blood.

Puking blood is BAD MOJO.

[warhead]

I never claimed Magneto's powers were real, that's a strawman argument. The point is that you used an outside reference based on what people thought ki was in real life in order to support your argument, which does not count as evidence.

The fact that Ki is the control of blood flow is almost as common of a knowledge in Asia as the fact that vampires could suck blood. Do I need to prove to you that too?





Except you just admitted it wasn't real.

Actually I didn't admit anything. In addition, I stated that its not the point. Its the concept that matters.





Yes because having your body ripped apart from the inside through millions of internal and external lacerations wouldn't hurt a bit, right?


No, because the amount of blood in your hemoglobin is too small to matter.



It casually levelled a base that was stated to dwarf the largest cities on earth. Which is far more than Picollo Daimao has ever done.

I think destroying a moon is many magnitudes more powerful than that attack.




And you're still wrong.

Prove it. And don't give me any more PIS reflexes on how he could resist speedblitz. Show me feats such as him catching a bullet with his reflexes alone, not his magnetic power.






Neither have I. In fact I doubt anyone here has. That doesn't excuse complete ignorance about his abilities.

I don't have complete ignorance on his abilities. I know what he can do. You still haven't demonstrated his ability to have planet busting attacks. Anything beyond is PIS.




Which we have done already and you have just ignored them.


No, you haven't. You have not shown how he has planet busting abilities.




Then point them out.

I already did, read back.





The whole point is that it happens all the time. Therefore it's consistent, and not PIS. Unlike Roshi's SMvFL feat.

No, it isn't, a human being with normal reflexes cannot stop a speed blitz from a character that has near light speed. This has been consistently displayed in comics. It is a comic PIS. Roshi's moon busting feet has been done and happened, and was repeated by Piccolo efforlessly. It is not a PIS even by a stretch of the imagination.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Be my guest. Its already posted, but I will post them again. They think Roshi's moon busting feat is PIS, but they do not think that Magneto having reflex to stand speed blitz isn't?

roshis highest feats where blowing away a mountain and blowing away the navy with a kamehameha while i dont agree with nilhious assesment of the moon busting feat being sm vs fl..given he when saverly out of shape destroyed an atmy and a mountain

he is absolutely right that king piccolo never did it...and thus you arent allowed to say he can


Since when have DBZ characters ever suffer from blood loss? They haven't. They only suffer from Qi loss.
I didn't ignore Magneto's abilities. I think there are lots of PIS involved, and Magneto simply haven't shown that he has any incredible offensive or destructive attacks that is up to planet busting.

umm umm WHAT!! guys ripped down guys like thor..gone one to one against the fraggin hpoenix force jean four times...how cna you seriously sit there and say he has no offesne powers

he;s thronw down mountains caused bible style disatsers ON GA GLOBAL SCALE

yes..he's actually been to a point where he threaten the existense of the earth

had king piccolo ever doner that?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Because Roshi did that once, and it completely didn't mesh with his other showings. Magneto has reacted to blitzes from fast characters multiple times consistently.



That's so stupid I don't even know what to say.



Did anyone here claim Magneto could destroy a planet?

Well he might be able to, going all out, but I don't think there's any proof.

Anyway, that's irrelevant, because Picollo Daimao is nowhere near planet destroying levels, and being able to destroy a planet doesn't automatically guarantee you a win anyway against someone who can't depending on both characters' powers and the situation.

For example, Saint of Killers can't destroy a planet, but he would easily slaughter everyone in the DBZverse.


mangeot actually has caused global chaos..i think he revrersed polarity on the planet

and i think he mussed with the earts em feild to cause massive earth quacks and destructions..and bible like floods

it may have taken everything out of him but when he gets going..he actually has..vclose to planet desttroying freats

while piccolo dosent

[GrampaGen]

The fact that Ki is the control of blood flow is almost as common of a knowledge in Asia as the fact that vampires could suck blood. Do I need to prove to you that too?

No, because the amount of blood in your hemoglobin is too small to matter.

No, it isn't, a human being with normal reflexes cannot stop a speed blitz from a character that has near light speed.

1. That's not how it works in Dragonball though. They increase their power by working out and with magic handouts from dieties, not breathing exercises and vital points. Besides which, they don't have precise blood control - if at all - otherwise why would they need senzu beans or Dende around?

2. That doesn't matter because Magneto has shown he can do that.

3. King Piccolo is nowhere near lightspeed, and Magneto has faster than normal human reflexes

Y'know, I'm just gonna sit this one out now and watch how it unfolds.

[NilExtropus]

The fact that Ki is the control of blood flow is almost as common of a knowledge in Asia as the fact that vampires could suck blood. Do I need to prove to you that too?

If there was a fictional vampire that never demonstrated or implied the ability to suck blood, then we would assume it was some other kind of vampire, like a psychic vampire.


Actually I didn't admit anything. In addition, I stated that its not the point. Its the concept that matters.

And it's still a red herring, as you're applying something completely irrelevant to try to prove something which is never stated, shown, or implied in canon.


No, because the amount of blood in your hemoglobin is too small to matter.

Way to completely miss the point.



I think destroying a moon is many magnitudes more powerful than that attack.

Point out when Picollo Daimao destroyed a moon.



Prove it. And don't give me any more PIS reflexes on how he could resist speedblitz. Show me feats such as him catching a bullet with his reflexes alone, not his magnetic power.

So wait, according to you, he doesn't have to use his reflexes to activate his powers? Do you think they just activate automatically or something? Because if that's the case, then he wins anyway.



I don't have complete ignorance on his abilities. I know what he can do. You still haven't demonstrated his ability to have planet busting attacks. Anything beyond is PIS.

Strawman. I never claimed he did.



No, you haven't. You have not shown how he has planet busting abilities.

I never claimed he did. He doesn't need to for this fight.



I already did, read back.

That whining was already refuted.



No, it isn't, a human being with normal reflexes cannot stop a speed blitz from a character that has near light speed. This has been consistently displayed in comics. It is a comic PIS.


Except Magneto has enhanced reflexes, and his showings consistently demonstrate this.


Roshi's moon busting feet has been done and happened, and was repeated by Piccolo efforlessly. It is not a PIS even by a stretch of the imagination.

Except that when it happened the characters he was fighting that were around his level have no feats anywhere near that, he himself has no feats anywhere near that, Picollo Jr. who repeated that feat was way way stronger than him (and far stronger than Picollo Daimao as well), and even still it's just two times.

Magneto defeats blitzes by super speed characters all the time. Just because you don't think it should happen doesn't mean you can deny that it does.

[Chrosis]

1. That's not how it works in Dragonball though. They increase their power by working out and with magic handouts from dieties, not breathing exercises and vital points. Besides which, they don't have precise blood control - if at all - otherwise why would they need senzu beans or Dende around?

2. That doesn't matter because Magneto has shown he can do that.

3. King Piccolo is nowhere near lightspeed, and Magneto has faster than normal human reflexes

Y'know, I'm just gonna sit this one out now and watch how it unfolds.

How 'bout we petition a thread lockdown from Gordon? This shouldn't have even made it to 3 pages.

[NilExtropus]

I showed this thread to my brother and he just came up with a good response. I'll let him type it:

According to warhead's logic, Picollo Daimao is above moonbusting because Roshi, who is weaker than him, destroyed a moon.

Going by that logic, we can say since Storm once channelled and redirected the entire power of all the stars at the core of the galaxy, and Storm is constantly portrayed and stated to be weaker than Magneto, then Magneto has more power than that.

[warhead]

roshis highest feats where blowing away a mountain and blowing away the navy with a kamehameha while i dont agree with nilhious assesment of the moon busting feat being sm vs fl..given he when saverly out of shape destroyed an atmy and a mountain

he is absolutely right that king piccolo never did it...and thus you arent allowed to say he can

umm, no. If the author stated that he destroyed a moon, then he did. Its that simple. Blowing away a mountain doesn't mean that you can't blow up a moon.(besides that part is just a filler episode).


So, if Magneto ripped several holes through Piccolo's lungs, heart, spleen, ovaries, etc, Piccolo wouldn't be able to regenerate from that. He would be a heap of skin and bones.

Do tell me how he is able to do that.


umm umm WHAT!! guys ripped down guys like thor..gone one to one against the fraggin hpoenix force jean four times...how cna you seriously sit there and say he has no offesne powers

he;s thronw down mountains caused bible style disatsers ON GA GLOBAL SCALE

yes..he's actually been to a point where he threaten the existense of the earth

had king piccolo ever doner that?

Screw the matches he had with other characters. LAst time I remembered, he also got beaten by X-men. Why don't you include that in your equation? Double standard? All I'm comparing is the display of their power. Throwing mountains can hardly match destroying a moon.

[GrampaGen]

Umm, all that mean is that their organs were damaged. And even after puking blood they were still fighting as if it never happened.

Yamcha had a fist shoved through him by Android 20. He wasn't getting back up. And I'd think blood flowing into your lungs counts as damage from hemmoraging, not to mention blood going where blood doesn't belong is extremely bad.

But hey, they totally controlled that.



How 'bout we petition a thread lockdown from Gordon? This shouldn't have even made it to 3 pages.

Yo. Honestly I'm still curious about Magneto speed (and the potential to mooch scans :P), but I think I'll just bump the old respect thread or something.

[Chrosis]

I showed this thread to my brother and he just came up with a good response. I'll let him type it:

According to warhead's logic, Picollo Daimao is above moonbusting because Roshi, who is weaker than him, destroyed a moon.

Going by that logic, we can say since Storm once channelled and redirected the entire power of all the stars at the core of the galaxy, and Storm is constantly portrayed and stated to be weaker than Magneto, then Magneto has more power than that.

Your brother just won the Internet. ;)

[JCAll]

So, if Magneto ripped several holes through Piccolo's lungs, heart, spleen, ovaries, etc, Piccolo wouldn't be able to regenerate from that. He would be a heap of skin and bones.

.. FUCKING .

[Chrosis]

.. FUCKING .

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I read that...:D

[GrampaGen]

.. FUCKING .

Hey, Namek eggs come from *somewhere* ;)

[warhead]

Yamcha had a fist shoved through him by Android 20. He wasn't getting back up. And I'd think blood flowing into your lungs counts as damage from hemmoraging, not to mention blood going where blood doesn't belong is extremely bad.

But hey, they totally controlled that.


controlling the flood in your blood doesn't mean you can regenerate a hole in your body, thats a difference.



According to warhead's logic, Picollo Daimao is above moonbusting because Roshi, who is weaker than him, destroyed a moon.

Going by that logic, we can say since Storm once channelled and redirected the entire power of all the stars at the core of the galaxy, and Storm is constantly portrayed and stated to be weaker than Magneto, then Magneto has more power than that.

First off, DBZ characers are consistent in their display of power level, Marvel comics are not.
And when did storm do that? Show me the entire scenario.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

]umm, no. If the author stated that he destroyed a moon, then he did. Its that simple. Blowing away a mountain doesn't mean that you can't blow up a moon.(besides that part is just a filler episode).

show me cannon evidence a scna opf king picclo doing that





Screw the matches he had with other characters. LAst time I remembered, he also got beaten by X-men. Why don't you include that in your equation? Double standard? All I'm comparing is the display of their power. Throwing mountains can hardly match destroying a moon.[

sxrew the matches? okay so now your openly ignrojg evidence thta contradicts you right? i mean..wow..hey lets all do that

no..mangeto when written right is a force of nature..the man has absolute sway over the em spectrum..he can do thigns like chnage the solar radation around piccalo into..nuclear radation..he can..do things like EMP ghim..destro6ying the synapsis in his brain

magneot..has actually caused global destruction to earth

can picclo do that?

[NilExtropus]

REally? Prove it, you have not even demonstrated that King Piccolo has a high amount of iron in his blood.

What would he use instead? Besides, Magneto can use diamagnetism to manipulate any material.



I neve stated such. Learn to read. They haven't suffered from overexcessive loss of blood. If you disagree show me.

Being puched through the gut and bleeding all over the place and dying? Which happens to someone in practically every single fight?



In which part doesn't it mesh with the showing, show me.

Master Roshi using his maximum power Kamehameha earlier on only destroyed a mountain. The Kamehamehas he, Goku, and Tien were throwing around at that point in the manga were small mountain - busters at best. Aside from Picollo Jr.'s feat, the next time something near that is even implied is when Vegeta says that he'll destroy the earth, and the next time we actually see something near that is when Frieza destroys planet Namek.


Marvel has never stated that Magneto has anything beyond a normal human's reflex.

Actually one of his profiles stated he had enhanced reflexes.


Its the power that they were stated to have that counts. Not who they faced.

No, what happens in the comics is what counts, since that is the canon. Going by the handbooks never works, since they are constantly out of date and cannot take into account every showing. So we go by feats.


It wouldn't be so stupid to you if you actually read.

So show me why you say DBZ characters don't need blood.



Don't make me repeat myself. King Piccolo can destroy a small planet.

Prove it.


No one here said King Piccolo would automaticly win. You just haven't given me one good demonstration of how Magneto can pull of a victory that easily.

Rip out his blood. Pull apart his body from the inside. Shunt him into a wormhole. Drop an asteroid on him at relativistic velocity. Enclose him in a forcefield and shoot him into space. etc.


You seem to assume that its a guarantee, I'm here to state that its not. Its up to the authors to do what they want their characters to do.

Yet the authors aren't writing this fight, so we go by the abilities the characters have demonstrated.


Umm, all that mean is that their organs were damaged. And even after puking blood they were still fighting as if it never happened.

"As if it never happened"?

Is that why Vegeta could do nothing but lay there and provide meager dialogue after Frieza blasted a hole in his chest? Or why Goku was powerless after Oozaru Vegeta crushed him and he had to rely on Yajirobe, Gohan, and Krillin to defeat Vegeta for him? Or any other of a billion fights?

[KingEli]

Screw the matches he had with other characters. LAst time I remembered, he also got beaten by X-men. Why don't you include that in your equation? Double standard? All I'm comparing is the display of their power. Throwing mountains can hardly match destroying a moon.

Because we don't use low end showings. Only high ends ones. Plus The X-Men at times has Members that can Smack DBZ like nobodis bussiness.


Read the Goddamned Rules.

[NilExtropus]

umm, no. If the author stated that he destroyed a moon, then he did. Its that simple. Blowing away a mountain doesn't mean that you can't blow up a moon.(besides that part is just a filler episode).

So then he has even fewer feats to compare.

The authors also wrote Spider-man beating Firelord, but we don't use that.



Do tell me how he is able to do that.

By manipulating the iron or other metals in his blood or using diamagnetism.


Screw the matches he had with other characters. LAst time I remembered, he also got beaten by X-men. Why don't you include that in your equation? Double standard? All I'm comparing is the display of their power. Throwing mountains can hardly match destroying a moon.

Picollo Daimao never destroyed a moon. Stop claiming he can.

Furthermore, the X-men have several incredibly powerful members.

[NilExtropus]

controlling the flood in your blood doesn't mean you can regenerate a hole in your body, thats a difference.

And Yamcha could do neither.


First off, DBZ characers are consistent in their display of power level, Marvel comics are not.

LOL

Is that why Vegeta's SSJ2 final attack releasing all of his energy at once only created a small crater in the ground?


And when did storm do that? Show me the entire scenario.

I'd love to, but Gordon says I'm only allowed to post 3 scans per thread, and I used them up showing Northstar and Aurora's speed.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Lol true.

I think I'm going to watch and see how long it takes before he gets temp banned for trolling.

did you see the one where pendarin ended up free style rapping? or was it master of read...that one was fun

actually i have a question your the guy thats got hulk sdavvy out the whazzuu..has magz ever trnasmutated his gamma power into somehting else to weaken and beat him?

[Gordon Smith]

This thread will be closed until further notice.

~~Gordon