View Full Version : Jerry Fallwell is dead at 76
TCJohnson
05-15-2007, 12:32 PM
My best wishes to his family.
BlairH
05-15-2007, 12:33 PM
Rest in peace.
wishlish
05-15-2007, 12:49 PM
"It's rather uncomfortably warm for heaven, I must say...uh oh."
titanfan
05-15-2007, 12:51 PM
I hope Fred Phelps decides to protest his funeral...
Kevinroc
05-15-2007, 12:53 PM
He was 73.
And I wasn't a fan but that doesn't mean I'll celebrate that he's dead. I won't shed a tear either.
Darediva
05-15-2007, 01:15 PM
He was 73.
And I wasn't a fan but that doesn't mean I'll celebrate that he's dead. I won't shed a tear either.
Same here. I do feel for his family in losing one of their own, though.
EdContradictory
05-15-2007, 01:15 PM
And I wasn't a fan but that doesn't mean I'll celebrate that he's dead.
I'll celebrate enough for both of us.
If anyone does not deserve the general respect due the dead, it's Falwell.
Roast in hell, asshole.
I worked at a newspaper in Lynchburg for a year and a half, and spoke with Falwell twice. He was congenial. I absolutely loathed his politics and considered him in many ways a Nazi, but I can't say I actually WANTED him to die.
Actually, he was sick while I was at the paper, and I was on the night shift when he was in the hospital, and I was terrified I'd have to write the article about his passing...
So long, Jerry. You...you were some kind of a man.
wishlish
05-15-2007, 02:48 PM
I hate to knock a man when he's passed, but Jerry Falwell was the first guy in organized religion that made me question my religious beliefs. He was the first scumbag I ever met who was a church official. The man fought against the 1st Amendment, fought for bigotry and intolerance in the name of God, and helped shape the government's shift to the right with the wackily-named Moral Majority.
I do honestly wish his family and friends comfort during this time, but I just didn't like the man.
LtMarvel
05-15-2007, 03:00 PM
They were talking to a close friend of Falwell on All Things Considered. He used to tease Falwell because Falwell once said he'd go to hell if he'd ever get involved in politics. Later, Falwell said that he'd go to hell if he didn't get involved in politics...
Sally Sensational
05-15-2007, 03:17 PM
What happened? Did his followers fail to raise enough money?
Oh, wait, that may have been Orel Roberts.
My greatest concern here is that there's been some even-bigger conservative wacko in his organization waiting to take his place.
I wish his family the greatest of peace and comfort at this time, but I can't say that I am sorry to see another of his generation of pulpit bangers pass out of this world.
kingdom2000
05-15-2007, 03:21 PM
Let the whitewash begin.
Never understood how the death of someone suddenly gives them saint status. If an ahole in life, still an ahole in death. May the hatemongering Falwell rot in his own special place in hell.
EdContradictory
05-15-2007, 03:48 PM
Let the whitewash begin.
If they did it for Anna Nicole Smith...
Lord knows how much paint they bought for Falwell.
I suspect a lot.
shrike
05-15-2007, 04:00 PM
You know what they say people, if you can't say anything nice...
Ah hell.
Really? Good riddance. I'm not crying that the world is now a little less racist and homophobic.
Hopefully death will bring him some 'enlightenment'. Lord knows he didn't know it in his lifetime.
Matt Doc Martin
05-15-2007, 04:08 PM
One way or another, Falwell is in for a rude surprise.
The Beast Of Yucca Flats
05-15-2007, 04:19 PM
One way or another, Falwell is in for a rude surprise.
Probably the best statement I've heard on this so far.
Ogdred
05-15-2007, 04:26 PM
I had no love for Jerry Falwell, but I also have no desire to dance on his grave.
Jack Zodiac
05-15-2007, 04:31 PM
What about Reagan's?
*rimshot!*
shrike
05-15-2007, 04:32 PM
I had no love for Jerry Falwell, but I also have no desire to dance on his grave.
Well then move over honey I just bought some new shoes and I'm ready to try em out...
;)
Sally Sensational
05-15-2007, 04:47 PM
A few quotes from the Right Reverend Falwell that a friend of mine passed along:
"I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!"
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country."
"Homosexuality is Satan's diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America."
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda."
"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."
Note: All views expressed in the above quotes are the reverend's own insane rantings and do not reflect the views of the management.
Christopher Cross Is God
05-15-2007, 04:59 PM
Those were some good quotes.
I remember Falwell publicly announcing 9/11 as God's punishment on America for all the sinful things going on in the country.
Magneto_X
05-15-2007, 04:59 PM
I hope Fred Phelps decides to protest his funeral...
You got your wish!
shanejayell
05-15-2007, 05:03 PM
God took him home.
Where exactly that'll be is up to debate.
TCJohnson
05-15-2007, 05:11 PM
Those were some good quotes.
I remember Falwell publicly announcing 9/11 as God's punishment on America for all the sinful things going on in the country.
Not just sin, but specifically homosexuals.
........my condolences to his family.
Christopher Cross Is God
05-15-2007, 05:14 PM
le post double.
Christopher Cross Is God
05-15-2007, 05:15 PM
Not just sin, but specifically homosexuals.
........my condolences to his family.
God had bad aim, then. I mean, call me crazy, but I don't think there were THAT many homosexuals at the Twin Towers. Shouldn't the explosions have occurred at a Gay Pride Parade or something, under Falwell's logic?
Magneto_X
05-15-2007, 05:27 PM
Christopher:
Even by Falwell's own "logic" it doesn't make sense. That's how screwed up he was.
Infra-Man
05-15-2007, 05:32 PM
Well, can't say I'll shed a tear for him since his beliefs always seemed repugnant, hateful, and bigoted, but I do feel bad for his friends and family for their loss.
Crowley
05-15-2007, 05:37 PM
I think that he did more damage to the perception of organized religion and the relationship between religion and politics than anyone else in the last fifty years.
I also think he managed to regress our country and do a good deal of maybe irreversible damage to the U.S. world cultural relations.
the4thpip
05-15-2007, 05:37 PM
I have one thing to say.
http://www.zonicweb.net/badalbmcvrs/letmetouch.jpg
I hope Fred Phelps decides to protest his funeral...
that would be ironically delicious. but I wouldn't wish a fred phelps on anyone.
He was 73.
And I wasn't a fan but that doesn't mean I'll celebrate that he's dead. I won't shed a tear either.
i want to agree, but I do have this, ever small joy, in my heart.
My greatest concern here is that there's been some even-bigger conservative wacko in his organization waiting to take his place.
this is true. he was so wacky and out there, even other rightist and moral eliteists abandoned him. he was like our cold wars' Soviet Union. Now, what do we have? Random Russian States and All of the Middle East, to deal with.
I am proud to have certain Christian beliefs, but I fear whatever new Moral Righties Come Preaching, out of the poor and rural Midwest.
JTPencils
05-15-2007, 05:43 PM
I do wish prayers for his family, they no doubt feel a huge loss.
However, as to the man himself... I'm sure he's doing a bit of sweating right now trying to explain himself to the "proper authorities" about how he screwed up "the message" to try to fit his own myopic views.
All I know for sure... is that tonight, Larry Flynt's probably laughing his ass off.
I think the best bumper sticker I ever saw was "The Moral Majority is Neither".
Honestly, I think I'd have preferred to hear this news about Pat Robertson, since a lot of people still take him seriously and let him appear on tv, but I suppose it's just a matter of time. Tick tock...
Still, my instant reaction to the news was, "Thank God." Is that wrong? Ironic? Perfectly awesomely delicious?
Infra-Man
05-15-2007, 05:48 PM
My greatest concern here is that there's been some even-bigger conservative wacko in his organization waiting to take his place.
If I heard right, I think his sons will be continuing in their father's tradition. Don't know where they stand on any religious or political issues, but hopefully they will be more tolerant of gays, the ACLU, feminists, and any other groups that the late Rev. Falwell didn't like.
As for up-and-coming religious nutters, I'll put my money on Kirk Cameron.
If I heard right, I think his sons will be continuing in their father's tradition. Don't know where they stand on any religious or political issues, but hopefully they will be more tolerant of gays, the ACLU, feminists, and any other groups that the late Rev. Falwell didn't like.
O.O I bet they'll just be able to 'hide' their Religious convictions better, until the appropriate time.
As for up-and-coming religious nutters, I'll put my money on Kirk Cameron.
eh, he's a showbiz actor. granted, an ex one, but he can be easily dismissed as a nutty hollyweird person.
Infra-Man
05-15-2007, 07:53 PM
O.O I bet they'll just be able to 'hide' their Religious convictions better, until the appropriate time.
That'll probably be the case. Tinky Winky ain't out of the crosshairs yet. Is that show still on?
eh, he's a showbiz actor. granted, an ex one, but he can be easily dismissed as a nutty hollyweird person.
I mentioned him facetiously (should have had a winky face in there), but I have to say that the Way of the Master stuff is a trip. Case in point: The bananalogical-teleological argument (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsnarky%2Dcomments%2Eblogspot%2Ec om%2F2006%2F11%2Fbananalogical%2Dargument%2Ehtml).
What about coconuts and pineapples?
Magneto_X
05-15-2007, 08:09 PM
As for up-and-coming religious nutters, I'll put my money on Kirk Cameron.
Cameron isn't as smart nor as connected or have as much following as Falwell had.
Something major has to happen before he can even hope to be on Falwell's level
of evilness.
Right now Cameron's stuck on lameness.
sk716
05-15-2007, 08:35 PM
When I read the headline this afternoon, my first thought was:
"Well if anything is going to get Larry Flynt up to dance a jig, this is it."
I've been waiting all day to see if Flynt has anything to say.
Lester C.
05-15-2007, 09:10 PM
When I read the headline this afternoon, my first thought was:
"Well if anything is going to get Larry Flynt up to dance a jig, this is it."
I've been waiting all day to see if Flynt has anything to say.
When my dad asked me who Jerry Fallwell was I said it was the guy that published Hustler magazine. For the nearly thirty years I honestly believed that was the case until I was debunked of that today.
titanfan
05-15-2007, 09:13 PM
One way or another, Falwell is in for a rude surprise.
I dunno. Based on his waffling, inconsistent opinions, carefully wored statements said to gain press and controversy, etc. I think he knew full well he wasn't a nice person.
titanfan
05-15-2007, 09:19 PM
Falwell blames 'pagans, abortionists, gays, feminists, lesbians' for death
(ANS, The Afterlife) Echoing his comments made after 9-11 that the terrorist attack was caused by a litany of "evil forces," the late Jerry Falwell said today from the afterlife that "pagans, abortionists, gays, feminists, lesbians, the ACLU, People for the American Way, Al Gore, Daily Kos and other immoral, liberal groups and individuals bear full responsibility for the heart attack that has claimed my earthly life."
Falwell went to add that, unlike his apology following his post-9-11 comments, he will "not be apologizing this time because there are no liberals where I'm going. So they can kiss my fat, dead ass."
Falwell said he had been sitting at his desk, thumbing through a stack of personal checks from residents of a senior center he had visited on Monday when he felt a sudden, crushing pain in his chest.
"It was like the homosexuals were actually reaching into my chest cavity and squeezing my heart," Falwell recounted. "I started praying, 'Lord, smite the homosexuals,' but they wouldn't let go. Bastards have a helluva' grip. Must be from all that cock grabbing they do."
Falwell noted that he was dead before Liberty University Executive Vice President Ron Godwin found him slumped over the stack of checks.
"Ronnie walked in and I was already gone. I give him credit, though. Before he even called 911, he removed the stack of checks and gave them to Eleanor and told her to make sure they get deposited, pronto. He also went through my desk drawers and removed the two copies of 'Big Jugs Magazine' he knew I had hidden in the back of one of them. But the son-of-a-bitch snatched the gold pen that Reagan had given me," Falwell complained.
Falwell said he would "wait and see" before offering any comment on his new surroundings. "I've often wondered if this is going to be a case of 'overpromise/underdeliver' or if things will be as good as I have told so many they would be. I'm not sold yet."
A spokesangel for God said The Almighty was taking a "long, hard look" at Falwell's life before deciding on a final afterlife home. "The Lord will only say at this point that no one is a sure bet. That goes for Jerry and for anyone else who leaves an earthly life."
When asked to respond to Falwell's assertion that "there are no liberals in heaven," the spokesangel laughed and said, "Franklin Roosevelt may have something to say about that."
Falwell closed his press conference with a diatribe against "Muslims and other infidel colored people on Earth who don't believe what I believe which is the one, true belief."
Just then, another recently dead man dressed in long, gold robes and a turban passed by on a throne carried by four angels.
Falwell was stunned.
"But I bet he's not a homo," the late Reverend said, before storming from the room.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/15527/2018
Jack Zodiac
05-15-2007, 09:58 PM
When I read the headline this afternoon, my first thought was:
"Well if anything is going to get Larry Flynt up to dance a jig, this is it."
I've been waiting all day to see if Flynt has anything to say.
Someone linked a bit from Flynt's site on the Comm forum. He's sad to see him go. They'd become friends after the trial, even if they had wildly different views.
Cam63
05-15-2007, 10:47 PM
I'm glad the prick is dead.
braner
05-15-2007, 11:23 PM
Falwell grew up in a strongly segregationist setting and supported racial segregation for the first few years of his career. In 1965, he gave a sermon at his Thomas Road Baptist Church criticizing Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement, which he sometimes referred to as the "Civil Wrongs Movement". On his Evangelist program The Old-Time Gospel Hour in the mid 1960s, he regularly featured segregationist politicians like Lester Maddox and George Wallace. He often spoke out in favor of the racist position in those days. For example, in 1958, he said:
“
If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”
Cam63
05-15-2007, 11:38 PM
Falwell grew up in a strongly segregationist setting and supported racial segregation for the first few years of his career. In 1965, he gave a sermon at his Thomas Road Baptist Church criticizing Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement, which he sometimes referred to as the "Civil Wrongs Movement". On his Evangelist program The Old-Time Gospel Hour in the mid 1960s, he regularly featured segregationist politicians like Lester Maddox and George Wallace. He often spoke out in favor of the racist position in those days. For example, in 1958, he said:
“
If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”
Yep, he was an arsehole then and now he's a dead one.
Rejoice.
heystacy
05-15-2007, 11:50 PM
Falwell grew up in a strongly segregationist setting and supported racial segregation for the first few years of his career. In 1965, he gave a sermon at his Thomas Road Baptist Church criticizing Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement, which he sometimes referred to as the "Civil Wrongs Movement". On his Evangelist program The Old-Time Gospel Hour in the mid 1960s, he regularly featured segregationist politicians like Lester Maddox and George Wallace. He often spoke out in favor of the racist position in those days. For example, in 1958, he said:
“
If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”
An older friend was telling me this, as he remembers much of the racist crap Fallwell was about. Next to the garbage he often spouted, and outting that darn Teletubby (msp?).
I have no empathy for his passing.
kingdom2000
05-16-2007, 01:35 AM
I have noticed that on many message boards, including USA Today, that it seems few people are particularily bothered by his passing. It makes me wonder how a man that so few people seemed to like was able to wield so much power. I recognize that part of that was his following giving him their money so he could have a rich lifestyle and throw money around to politicians but still.
Is he an example of how the vocal minority can sometimes dictate terms even though that minority doesn't really represent the will of the people? Its kind of distrubing to think about that simply because he said nasty things for camera time, it gave him the ability to fulfill his own agenda independent of desires of those he supposedly represented. He was an evil man, most knew this it seems, yet he remained in the public eye despite it and therefore it let him dictate public policy.
If only the public had shown their dislike and disdain for him in life that they are willing to show in death we wouldn't have to deal with the other Jerry Faulwells in politics such as Al Sharpton or Pat Robertson.
yo go re
05-16-2007, 02:34 AM
and then the world would be a better place.
I think he's entirely an example of a vocal minority ruining things for everyone else. He's the H.E.A.T. of organized religion. So often, Christians feel persecuted by popular culture for their ideals and their beliefs - but really, when you allow Jerry Falwell to be your spokesman, is it any wonder otherwise normal people come to hate you?
Alan Lynch
05-16-2007, 04:27 AM
I have noticed that on many message boards, including USA Today, that it seems few people are particularily bothered by his passing. It makes me wonder how a man that so few people seemed to like was able to wield so much power. I recognize that part of that was his following giving him their money so he could have a rich lifestyle and throw money around to politicians but still.
I think he just represents a really (really) vocal minority. I'm sure there are plenty messageboards out there with people openly mourning the guy, but damned if I can be bothered looking for them.
The guy was a hateful prick. I'm sure his family are cut up about it, but if they happen to share or condone his views then there's no sympathy from me. Fuck it; the world needs less of Fallwell's kind.
the4thpip
05-16-2007, 04:53 AM
From wikipedia:
http://cache.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/05/jerrywiki-thumb.jpg
Cam63
05-16-2007, 04:55 AM
Pat Robertson has a pet rooster ?
Matt Doc Martin
05-16-2007, 05:19 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/docmartin72/SP32-20070516-071828.jpg
LomiMonet
05-16-2007, 09:54 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/docmartin72/SP32-20070516-071828.jpg
That's just cold.
Wish I'd thought of it.
diana_fan
05-16-2007, 10:24 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/docmartin72/SP32-20070516-071828.jpg
Oh man, that's hilarious!
I have to say, I couldn't care less about his dying. He was a scumbag of the first order, and bigot.
TCJohnson
05-16-2007, 10:36 AM
George Bush:
"Laura and I are deeply saddened by the death of Jerry Falwell, a man who cherished faith, family and freedom. As the founder of Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia, Jerry lived a life of faith and called upon men and women of all backgrounds to believe in God and serve their communities. One of his lasting contributions was the establishment of Liberty University, where he taught young people to remain true to their convictions and rely upon God's word throughout each stage of their lives. Today, our thoughts and prayers are with his wife, Macel, and the rest of the Falwell family."
Ok, that pisses me off.
I also saw an interview with McCain talking about how Fallwell did such wonderful things for politics in this country.
EdContradictory
05-16-2007, 10:50 AM
I also saw an interview with McCain talking about how Fallwell did such wonderful things for politics in this country.
McCain's pretty much a compromised loser douchebag at this point.
EdContradictory
05-16-2007, 10:51 AM
I also saw an interview with McCain talking about how Fallwell did such wonderful things for politics in this country.
McCain's pretty much a compromised loser douchebag at this point.
Stressfactor
05-16-2007, 11:09 AM
I do not wish death on anyone but Fallwell gave Christians a bad name. In my graduate school days I had a Japanese exchange student as a roommate. A really sweet girl but one who had not been exposed to much US culture. So the first sunday morning she's there I come back from church and she's in the living room with Jerry Fallwell on. She compliments me on my dress and asks where I went so dressed up and I tell her I've been to church. She says "Oh! Like... this?" and she gestures towards the TV.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to explain to someone that Fallwell's version of Christianity bore no resemblence to the vast majority of Christians out in the world?
The man was a chameleon and a spin doctor of the highest order. He said stuff that he didn't necessarily believe just to stir up shit and get his name and face in the media. He committed adultery but then had the gall to get up on his high horse and throw the first stones like he had no sin. He could, apparently, though charm even his harshest critics. A while back there was a piece on Fallwell on NPR and a guy who wrote Fallwell's official biography was gay but came to like and appreciate Fallwell so much that he actually joined his church... despite being openly gay! Now that has got to be selling some snake oil.
stamen
05-16-2007, 01:16 PM
Somehow Fabian's 2-part story on Faith in this month's Action Comics seems all the more relevant. I just finished the second part this afternoon. I highly recommend it, even if I disagree with his conclusions a little bit. It's an excellent work of art, contextualizing faith, heroism, and false prophets.
Michael P
05-16-2007, 01:19 PM
George Bush:
Ok, that pisses me off.
I also saw an interview with McCain talking about how Fallwell did such wonderful things for politics in this country.
Jesus, it's like he thinks one of the twelve steps is to work the word "freedom" into every damn thing he says.
Dark Galaxy
05-16-2007, 01:51 PM
McCain's pretty much a compromised loser douchebag at this point.
That was basically my thought when I read TCJ's quote too, but I couldn't come up with a way to say it so perfectly, yet succinct. You are a master of words, my friend.
Infra-Man
05-16-2007, 02:09 PM
I hope Fred Phelps decides to protest his funeral...
You got your wish!
For awhile I thought Magneto_X was joking, but... wow... Just saw a link to the Westboro Baptist Church's press release. They're gonna do it.
Tad Sivana
05-16-2007, 02:33 PM
Yep, adios to the American equivalent of a mad mullah. Falwell was a guy unafraid to say that others should die in the name of his brand of religion.
He did a lot to ratchet up tensions between religions and compromise the separation of church and state.
He won't be missed.
Spike-X
05-16-2007, 03:20 PM
...he taught young people to remain true to their convictions...
...however bigoted, ignorant and hateful they may have been.
That'll probably be the case. Tinky Winky ain't out of the crosshairs yet. Is that show still on?
haha! :) but really? I wouldn't know. my little neighbors and cousins are too old now and my little Goddaughter is too young for the show. :)What about coconuts and pineapples?
With the messed up puter, I can't view YouTube anymore. :(
Cam63
05-16-2007, 06:08 PM
'Nice response by Dubyah.
...What a dickhead.
'Nice response by Dubyah.
...What a dickhead.
Indeed. Nothing like the leader of our country endorsing despicable hatemongers.
Infra-Man
05-16-2007, 07:47 PM
With the messed up puter, I can't view YouTube anymore. :(
Ahh, poopie. The vid features Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron talking about proof for the existence of God using a banana.
The gist of the argument: it's easy for us to eat bananas; it is easy for us to eat bananas because they are designed to be eaten (i.e., easy to open, fits in hand, fits in mouth); because it seems as if bananas were designed to be eaten, there must therefore be a creator/designer of the banana; the designer/creator is God.
It's basically the classic argument from design or telelogical argument, which I call the bananalogical argument since in this case it involves a banana. The argument from design is actually an interesting one to look at, but when you bring it down to just a banana, the argument is pretty silly.
But really, what's the deal with pineapples and coconuts?
Matt Doc Martin
05-16-2007, 08:24 PM
Ahh, poopie. The vid features Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron talking about proof for the existence of God using a banana.
The gist of the argument: it's easy for us to eat bananas; it is easy for us to eat bananas because they are designed to be eaten (i.e., easy to open, fits in hand, fits in mouth); because it seems as if bananas were designed to be eaten, there must therefore be a creator/designer of the banana; the designer/creator is God.
It's basically the classic argument from design or telelogical argument, which I call the bananalogical argument since in this case it involves a banana. The argument from design is actually an interesting one to look at, but when you bring it down to just a banana, the argument is pretty silly.
But really, what's the deal with pineapples and coconuts?
there is a video on YouTube that brings that very rebuttal up.
Infra-Man
05-16-2007, 08:44 PM
there is a video on YouTube that brings that very rebuttal up.
The Nick Gisburne one, yeah? Is he still banned for no good reason or did they finally wise up let him have an account again?
stamen
05-16-2007, 09:34 PM
Friends... I've said it already, but if you haven't read Fabian Nicieza's arc this month in Action, I swear it is worth your six bucks. He tackles this issue with Falwell DEAD on, no pun intended. I can't recommend it enough. Even though there were some parts I didn't care for, it's still a great work of art. It's literary in the classic sense. Beautiful. I loved it.
Read it, you won't be disappointed.
My mildly spoilersh review-- http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=175586
JKCarrier
05-17-2007, 08:53 AM
The gist of the argument: it's easy for us to eat bananas; it is easy for us to eat bananas because they are designed to be eaten (i.e., easy to open, fits in hand, fits in mouth); because it seems as if bananas were designed to be eaten, there must therefore be a creator/designer of the banana; the designer/creator is God.
That video is a lot more entertaining when you realize that it's all a big metaphor for oral sex. The penis = easy to unwrap, fits in hand, fits in mouth. All part of God's great plan. :D
Sally Sensational
05-17-2007, 05:19 PM
But really, what's the deal with pineapples and coconuts?
People in tropical places need something to do for entertainment when they're sick of bananas?
I suppose one could advance the theory that bananas are more nutritionally complete than pineapples and coconuts, which are extremely high in sugar, so therefore people should eat less of them and making them harder to get into naturally leads to a lower level of consumption.
I kinda like the banana argument. It's cute, it's easy to understand, and it's totally not offensive. I mean, if you're going to offer an argument for God's existence, it's nice that it's not one that involves shoving a particular set of religious strictures and structures in someone's face.
Of course, it's not offensive until you equate bananas and oral sex . . .
JTPencils
05-17-2007, 05:25 PM
Indeed. Nothing like the leader of our country endorsing despicable hatemongers.
The old cliche of "Birds of a feather, tend to flock together..." comes to mind.
Ahh, poopie. The vid features Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron talking about proof for the existence of God using a banana.
The gist of the argument:
But really, what's the deal with pineapples and coconuts?
my goodness!! I do believe in God, but the reason for plants to be the way they are is through evolution. And Sally is right, it is kinda cute and nonoffensive, but like pineapples and coconuts are obviously cause they areas in which they grow necessitate them to be in hard shells to float over water to be distributed to other volcanic areas that 'crop up' once in a while.
if anything, if you believe in the Bible, you should know how pissed God was at Adam and Eve and told them how hard it would be for humans in this life.
shrike
05-17-2007, 08:22 PM
Kurt Cameron makes me want to become a Scientologist.
Larime
05-17-2007, 08:28 PM
Not to totally derail things, but here's a political cartoon I drew. I'm a mouth-artist.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/Gimpicus/FalwellDone.jpg
EdContradictory
05-17-2007, 08:35 PM
Make the cherubs look like two of the people praising him (like McCain) and you got a home run.
Cam63
05-17-2007, 08:49 PM
Not to totally derail things, but here's a political cartoon I drew. I'm a mouth-artist.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/Gimpicus/FalwellDone.jpg
Good one, Lar'. :)
Not to totally derail things, but here's a political cartoon I drew. I'm a mouth-artist.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/Gimpicus/FalwellDone.jpg
Heh, awesome.
Suzanne
05-17-2007, 11:22 PM
From wikipedia:
http://cache.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/05/jerrywiki-thumb.jpgHA! And there's probably some truth in that given how obsessed he was with gays ;)
Larime
05-17-2007, 11:34 PM
Thanks, everyone!
Spike-X
05-18-2007, 02:59 AM
Not to totally derail things, but here's a political cartoon I drew. I'm a mouth-artist.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/Gimpicus/FalwellDone.jpg
Wow, you draw better with your mouth than I do with my hand!
That's a really good cartoon, Larime. Both in execution, what it's saying, and the way it's saying it.
Larime
05-18-2007, 04:23 PM
Wow, you draw better with your mouth than I do with my hand!
That's a really good cartoon, Larime. Both in execution, what it's saying, and the way it's saying it.
Aw! Thanks!
shrike
05-18-2007, 07:20 PM
Not to totally derail things, but here's a political cartoon I drew. I'm a mouth-artist.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/Gimpicus/FalwellDone.jpg
Those angels should just drop his fat ass. ;)
the4thpip
05-20-2007, 03:20 AM
So... Ann Coulter's Eulogy...
Ah, who cares anymore about that harpy.
Cam63
05-20-2007, 06:52 AM
I'd buy an Ann Coulter toilet brush.
MichaelChen
05-20-2007, 11:39 AM
I won't miss the bastard. At the same time, I don't feel comfortable cheering his death because death is forever. It's not like a pie in the face where he can be humiliated, then wipe the pie off and go on with his life, perhaps learning a lesson from the humiliation. He'll keep right on being dead forever. I think he deserved some serious humiliation. But no one deserves to not exist for all eternity. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. So I can't cheer it like I would some crook going to jail for twenty years.
Infra-Man
05-20-2007, 10:25 PM
my goodness!! I do believe in God, but the reason for plants to be the way they are is through evolution. And Sally is right, it is kinda cute and nonoffensive, but like pineapples and coconuts are obviously cause they areas in which they grow necessitate them to be in hard shells to float over water to be distributed to other volcanic areas that 'crop up' once in a while.
if anything, if you believe in the Bible, you should know how pissed God was at Adam and Eve and told them how hard it would be for humans in this life.
Yeah, it is a cute and inoffensive idea, and I actually think the teleological argument is one of the stronger arguments for the existence in some sort of creator.
If I remember right, though, one of the interesting things about the banana is that the modern banana has become what it is today through a process of domestication and cultivation. Wild bananas had seeds and these wild fruits weren't as nicely shaped as they are today.
EDIT: Actually... the peanut butter argument against abiogenesis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504&mode=related&search=) (the people in the vid say the peanut butter argument debunks evolution, but they clearly don't know what the word means) is pretty nutty.
The gist of this one: When energy is combined with matter, new life can be created; a jar of peanut butter contains matter; a jar of peanut butter is exposed to light and heat (sources of energy); yet new life cannot be created in a jar of peanut butter unless and outside agent acts upon it; therefor evolution is not real.
Like I said, they obviously have no idea what the word "evolution" means.
But now I'm kinda hunry. I might have me a peanut butter and banana sandwich.
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