Uncanny X-men #487 Preview

[rwsmith]

And I know someone who is going to pee themselves with glee (*cough*Hi-Fi*cough*): http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=3687281#post3687281

Looks good, though, despite the inclusion of Hepzibah.;)

[Brian M.]

The last arc of Uncanny was great I thought and Tan's art was pretty graphic when it came to the violence. Nice to see Salvador is keeping up, the pics of Caliban are cool.

[Karl H]

The last arc of Uncanny was great I thought and Tan's art was pretty graphic when it came to the violence. Nice to see Salvador is keeping up, the pics of Caliban are cool.

Yeah. I love the Hepzibah and Warpath training montage... can almost hear the Rocky music.

[Sentinel K]

It's no X-Treme, but it looks like Larocca is getting his shit bck together on the X-books.

Nice.

[caney]

The art looks nice. I wasn't digging Larroca's art at the end of his run on Adjectiveless, but those pages look better.

Poor Caliban. He's had a rough life.

[TinMan]

Wow, I thought Salvador's New Universal was impressive, but this is sick. Looking forward to this one!

[Daithi]

I'm looking forward to this too. Was disappointed with the Shi'ar arc but hopefully I will enjoy this more.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

WHAT THE F***

HEPZIBAH!? THEY LEFT THE REST BEHIND AND TOOK HEPZIBAH HOME?! UGH!

Storm looks hot tho...

Oh and so Masque is a dude again?

[Daithi]

HEPZIBAH!? THEY LEFT THE REST BEHIND AND TOOK HEPZIBAH HOME?! UGH!


It does make sense about why Hepzibah ends up on Earth. I don't think it makes sense as to why she wants to stay. Other than giving Warpath lapdances of course.

[Beast]

Looks good so far. Gotta be better than the Shi'ar arc. But who's the white-haired chick in the generic X-Men costume with mask. I guess it could be Storm, if she's trying to hide her idenity from SHRA officials or something. Though it is sorta neat to see an X-Men costume that incorperates a mask like that again.

[Pach!]

The preview looks great! I never liked what Hepzibah wears though... but whatever Hepzibah with crappy outfit > no hepzibah!

[Affinity]

It's no X-Treme, but it looks like Larocca is getting his shit bck together on the X-books.

Nice.

Totally agree. In fact, looking back on X-Treme, I like this better. It's more unique and not relying on colors.


WHAT THE F***

HEPZIBAH!? THEY LEFT THE REST BEHIND AND TOOK HEPZIBAH HOME?! UGH!

Storm looks hot tho...

Oh and so Masque is a dude again?

Storm DOES look hot!

I was wondering about Masque, too.

And srsly HEPZIBAH, that came out of nowhere.

[Mikl C]

Heppy is SO HOT.
Masque was only a chick in The Arena, which, if you take seriously, will make you want to stab your eyes out with a fork.

[Beast]

Heppy is SO HOT.
Masque was only a chick in The Arena, which, if you take seriously, will make you want to stab your eyes out with a fork.
Madame Masque was hawt. :D

[Joe Zool]

Hey, is that grey giant Sunder? (I'm a little fuzzy on the who's who of the Morlocks)

[Pro]

Not sure the masked woman with white hair is Storm. Looks like Erg accompanying her. And not sure that is Masque as someone suggested. Looks more like a weary and distraught Magneto to me (white hair under cowl)

[Pro]

Hey, is that grey giant Sunder?

Caliban, he used to be a ghoulish character when first introduced, then Apocalypse transformed him

[Joe Zool]

Not sure the masked woman with white hair is Storm. Looks like Erg accompanying her. And not sure that is Masque as someone suggested. Looks more like a weary and distraught Magneto to me (white hair under cowl)

With dark skin? :p

I'm just glad to see that Leech's alive for now, so yay!

[Joe Zool]

Hey, is that grey giant Sunder?

Caliban, he used to be a ghoulish character when first introduced, then Apocalypse transformed him

Duh, of course. I forgot about his transformation.

Can you tell I haven't read any 90's X-books? ;)

[Dagger]

Wow, the best I've ever seen Larocca's art, and coming from someone who hates his work, that's something. Poor PoPovok:( I hope they come back soon and some other writer can get ahold of them and do something with them. I can't wait to see what happens to them tomorrow.

[Dagger]

Duh, of course. I forgot about his transformation.

Can you tell I haven't read any 90's X-books? ;)
Apocalpse transformed him in the 80's.

[rilokyle]

All I can say is, hopefully Storm only sticks around for this arc, and Brubaker gets back to resolving his craptastic Vulcan story so we can see Havok and Polaris again.

I'll pick up this issue to see how it is, but more than likely I'll be dropping this- there's just no one on this team worth spending my $3 each month unfortunately.

Well at least the art looks pretty. I have always always loved Sal's work- through good times (X-Treme) and bad (Adjectiveless)- so it's nice to have him back on an x-book. However, Storm's face looks fug in the last panel.

And why is Leech there? Isn't he supposed to be living with the St. Croix's in Monaco? I know I'd give up living in a rich mansion for a sewer any day. :rolleyes:

[RickyD410]

So is Caliban dead now? He was bleeding from his head. There are only about 200 mutants left and writers seem pretty convinced that they need to kill of the remaining ones to make good stories. And what about the white haired lady and Erg, and the others. Are they good or bad? Is it good that they took Leech away with them?

At least the art is gorgeous. I love it. I didnt like what Larroca did in his last X-Men arc, but this is beautiful.

[Metallurgique]

No, it's Caliban. Who looks very dead. Which would be unfortunate.

Leech is there, and Erg is clearly visible in the background. Masque is apparently...not dead...despite very clearly dying in 1991.

The art looks fantastic. The story...I remain unconvinced.

[Dagger]

And why is Leech there? Isn't he supposed to be living with the St. Croix's in Monaco? I know I'd give up living in a rich mansion for a sewer any day. :rolleyes:
He was living in the Neverland Concentration Camps last I heard.

[Pro]

All I can say is, hopefully Storm only sticks around for this arc, and Brubaker gets back to resolving his craptastic Vulcan story so we can see Havok and Polaris again.

Well they claimed the consequences of the space arc would resound in the summer crossover so dunno .. maybe they just meant mentally as in:"man. that went bad that one time in space eh?" ..

[Brian M.]

Caliban isn't dead.

[Pro]

Caliban isn't dead.

Hopefully not, he's an interesting character.

Btw did they ever explain how he got back from wherever Colossus' brother zapped him during the "Twelve" storyline?

[Flâneur]

Why trade Hepzibah for Rachel, Alex and Lorna?! Why Brubaker? WHY?!:(

Oh and the art looks great.

[Brian M.]

Hopefully not, he's an interesting character.

Na, Bru said he'd play a decent role in this arc. Probably just hurt.

[dotdotdot]

larocca is just not right for this book. hate that art. hopefully he won't be on for too long.

[Beast]

No, it's Caliban. Who looks very dead. Which would be unfortunate.

Leech is there, and Erg is clearly visible in the background. Masque is apparently...not dead...despite very clearly dying in 1991.

The art looks fantastic. The story...I remain unconvinced.
They explained it as Masque pulling the same thing he/she/it did with Kitty Pryde.

Basically fleshcrafting another Morlock into their appearance before going into hiding.

[KetchFrayz]

Na, Bru said he'd play a decent role in this arc. Probably just hurt.

i'd rather have Caliban on the team than Hepz

right now the team is:
Storm
Nightcrawler
Prof. X
Warpath
Hepz :confused:
Darwin

not really impressed with this team

[rilokyle]

Well they claimed the consequences of the space arc would resound in the summer crossover so dunno .. maybe they just meant mentally as in:"man. that went bad that one time in space eh?" ..
Summer, huh? I certainly hope its more than a conversation about our heroes lost in space.

Like, again, why don't the X-Men repair the spaceship and go back into space? F*@$ the Morlocks. I thought they were all massacred?

[Beast]

i'd rather have Caliban on the team than Hepz

right now the team is:
Storm
Nightcrawler
Prof. X
Warpath
Hepz :confused:
Darwin

not really impressed with this team
Not sure Xavier's sticking around on the team. And Brubaker teased Angel being a part.

[Brian M.]

i'd rather have Caliban on the team than Hepz

right now the team is:
Storm
Nightcrawler
Prof. X
Warpath
Hepz :confused:
Darwin

not really impressed with this team

That's what it looks like. Course you know folks weren't impressed w/ Carey's team either.

[Beast]

Summer, huh? I certainly hope its more than a conversation about our heroes lost in space.

Like, again, why don't the X-Men repair the spaceship and go back into space? F*@$ the Morlocks. I thought they were all massacred?
Don't apply logic to comics, you'll always be disappointed. They don't even need to repair the ship. All they would have to do is just call in Lila Chaney, get a port to her Dyson Sphere and then to Shi'ar.

[KetchFrayz]

Not sure Xavier's sticking around on the team. And Brubaker teased Angel being a part.

Angel would be a good addition

[Karl H]

Angel would be a good addition

for some yes. For me, no. Unless he dies horribly.

This is a Bru killing I actually want to see!

[Dagger]

for some yes. For me, no. Unless he dies horribly.

This is a Bru killing I actually want to see!
:evilangry I don't want to get in your pants anymore...okay, maybe I still do:p

[rilokyle]

Don't apply logic to comics, you'll always be disappointed. They don't even need to repair the ship. All they would have to do is just call in Lila Chaney, get a port to her Dyson Sphere and then to Shi'ar.

Saved by Lila Cheney, huh? That has its possibilities.....

[Karl H]

:evilangry I don't want to get in your pants anymore...okay, maybe I still do:p

I reckon you do... I'm a keeper :cool: ;)

[kate-pryde]

Why trade Hepzibah for Rachel, Alex and Lorna?! Why Brubaker? WHY?!:(


I agree totally. Not a fair trade.

And Brubaker strikes again, killing another character right off the bat.

[Karl H]

I agree totally. Not a fair trade.

And Brubaker strikes again, killing another character right off the bat.

err if you actually bothered to read anything about the arc that Brubaker has said I think you'll find it pretty obvious Caliban isn't dead.

Quite frankly the temporary absence of the others mentionned is no big deal to me. B

[Deus ex Chris]

All I can say is, hopefully Storm only sticks around for this arc,
I'm pretty sure Brubaker said that Storm would be around for the forseeable future, and I'll gladly give up Havok and Polaris for Storm. Yay for me!


However, Storm's face looks fug in the last panel.
??? She looks fabulous in that panel. She's all exotic and aloof and stern. I can't wait.

Also, I'm really impressed with these Larroca pencils. They're possibly the best I've seen from him. These pencils combined with Storm and Ed Brubaker are like Heaven. I'm really looking forward to this.

[Daithi]

This made me giggle though

"all new, all different storyline!"

"to investigate a rash of murders in the Morlock tunnels. Who would kill these innocent mutants?"

[Dagger]

??? She looks fabulous in that panel. She's all exotic and aloof and stern. I can't wait.
I'm going to have to agree. It's the best Storm has looked in a looooooooong time. Hopefully his Angel will look as hot as hell.

[steve2275]

is this trading spaces?:p

[Hi-Fi]

And I know someone who is going to pee themselves with glee (*cough*Hi-Fi*cough*): http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=3687281#post3687281

Looks good, though, despite the inclusion of Hepzibah.;)
*pees*

Hepzibah is so HOT! Seriously, I'm loving her inclusion so much.


WHAT THE F***

HEPZIBAH!? THEY LEFT THE REST BEHIND AND TOOK HEPZIBAH HOME?! UGH!

Storm looks hot tho...

Oh and so Masque is a dude again?
Masque was always a dude. CC screwed up in Arena. And Hepzibah is awesome.


The preview looks great! I never liked what Hepzibah wears though... but whatever Hepzibah with crappy outfit > no hepzibah!
I agree about the costume. Hopefully, she'll soon get a brand new X-Men uniform!


He was living in the Neverland Concentration Camps last I heard.
And then in the 198 camp.


Art looks... er... decent. I don't really like Larroca's art.

[Toboe]

This looks fantastic, Larroca has his moments... Storm is gorgeous there, hope she sticks around for a while. But why did Havok and Polaris had to go??? And now we get Hepzibah??? She ruins the whole scenario for me.
And where has Angel been?

[Syzygy]

And why is Leech there? Isn't he supposed to be living with the St. Croix's in Monaco? I know I'd give up living in a rich mansion for a sewer any day. :rolleyes:

I agree. I thought Leech was staying at the Mansion, but I guess after helping to murder Mr. M (albeit against his will) he decided to put on the hairshirt and expiate his guilt with a little yummy sewer-dwelling.

I do hope Brubaker gives us a little explanation for Leech, though, and for Masque. Because it seemed he had decided that being a smoking hot twenty-something woman was better than being a putrid and hideously deformed seventy-year old man, and well...I'm just curious as to why he'd reason that way, seeing as how he seemed fairly happy with the previous alteration....:o


Masque was always a dude. CC screwed up in Arena.

I was under the impression that Masque had used his transmutation power upon himself to...transfmorgify himself from a hideously deformed seventy-year old man to a smoking hot twenty-something woman. Did Marvel ever give us an official explanation for this?

[Joe Zool]

Honestly, who cares what Masque used to be? A little experimentation never hurt anyone.

[Brian M.]

Honestly, who cares what Masque used to be? A little experimentation never hurt anyone.

Besides, it's an easy explaination for him. I was a hot girl beore M-Day, afterwards I was me again.

[Daithi]

I didn't read much of Civil War but did all the Morlocks that were staying at the mansion move back to the sewers? I'm also assuming that Morlocks who lost their powers stayed in the sewers?

Or are we not sure and hope they'll be answered here?

[Brian M.]

I didn't read much of Civil War but did all the Morlocks that were staying at the mansion move back to the sewers? I'm also assuming that Morlocks who lost their powers stayed in the sewers?

Or are we not sure and hope they'll be answered here?

the 198 were free to go their seperate ways, they did not need to stay at Xavier's anymore.

[Beast]

the 198 were free to go their seperate ways, they did not need to stay at Xavier's anymore.
And the depowered were living down there still, as seen in Generation M.

[Daithi]

And the depowered were living down there still, as seen in Generation M.

Cool, thanks guys.

[Syzygy]

Besides, it's an easy explaination for him. I was a hot girl beore M-Day, afterwards I was me again.

That would imply Masque has no more powers, right?



the 198 were free to go their seperate ways, they did not need to stay at Xavier's anymore.

I gotta tell ya, I find it real hard to respect people who, like Leech, could live in a posh Mansion, but instead choose to live in a sewer....

Given that the powered Morlocks still have that option, my disrespect for them grows to such proportions that I really don't feel sorry for them if they bite it. I just can't empathize with people who choose rats, roaches, and dripping, putrid excrement supposing they've truly got other options.

So the Morlocks are being wiped out again.... I'm finding it hard to care, honestly....

[CaptainCanada]

Why trade Hepzibah for Rachel, Alex and Lorna?! Why Brubaker? WHY?!:(

"Hi, Scott, we's back from space! FYI, your poppa sleeps with the fishes, and your alternate-reality-daughter, brother, and sort-of-sister-in-law are all decidely not-back; bet that wasn't what you had in mind when you told me to look after them, was it?"
...
"I'm pretty pissed about this, Charles; leave the premises immediately."

"That's an interesting proposition, Scott. One small problem: I have my powers back now. Dance, monkey, dance!"

[Diablito]

I like Hepzibah on the team, and I like that Polaris and Marvel Girl are gone, but I don't like the art. If anyone saw other preview pages by Larrocca, you see he draws a crap Warpath.



EDIT: Oh my, what a bad mistake I made :P

[Brian M.]

That would imply Masque has no more powers, right?


I gotta tell ya, I find it real hard to respect people who, like Leech, could live in a posh Mansion, but instead choose to live in a sewer....

Given that the powered Morlocks still have that option, my disrespect for them grows to such proportions that I really don't feel sorry for them if they bite it. I just can't empathize with people who choose rats, roaches, and dripping, putrid excrement supposing they've truly got other options.

So the Morlocks are being wiped out again.... I'm finding it hard to care, honestly....


Not really. You could just toss it up to one of other crazy affects from Wanda. I mean we still don't know why some mutants still have their powers.

[Kalen O.]

I like Hepzibah on the team, and I like that Polaris and Marvel Girl are gone, but I don't like the art. If anyone saw other preview pages by Brubaker, you see he draws a crap Warpath.

Good thing he's writing it then and leaving the drawing to Larocca.

(Sorry, cheap shot I know, couldn't resist. Just kidding though).

In regards to Masque though, although I try not to let continuity stuff bug me, some stuff does stick out, and this is a big one. I mean its a character's freaking gender! I didn't think Masque COULD use his powers on himself to look like he did in Arena, because that was the whole point of him being a Morlock originally. Why would he have ever allowed himself to be a deformed, hideous Morlock if he could use his powers on himself? Now, he could have undergone serious plastic surgery to look the way he did in Arena, but that begs the question...why go back, lol. I dunno, just hope we get some kind of explanation. Whether or not two obscure characters met onpanel in an equally obscure limited series a decade ago is the kind of continuity I see no need to worry about.....but when you're flip flopping a character's gender every time he's used, I'd kind of like more of an explanation than just 'someone messed up.' Sorry, maybe its just me, but THAT is the kind of screw-up that can pull me out of a story, if not addressed.

[claimtosubclaim]

I like Hepzibah on the team, and I like that Polaris and Marvel Girl are gone, but I don't like the art. If anyone saw other preview pages by Brubaker, you see he draws a crap Warpath.

Brubaker hasn't drawn anything in ages. (Yes, I realize you made an air fart statement there.) And what other preview pages? The only thing else is the cover for 488. I don't think one image is enough to pass judgment.

[xmanson]

The art looks good, but the coloring is doing most of the "looking good", not the pencils.

Looking forward to this, but that doesn't look like Masque to me, he was always drawn with a huge scar over one his eyes. But could be, and if it is indeed, let's see how they mention Arena. And he didn't become a girl by using his powers, but was some kind of "full body mask" or whatever.

[jarrod]

<3 <3 Larocca!

This looks... promising?! It's amazing what a competent artist can do for a book... hopefully the more "street level" story helps Bru's inherent talents rise to the surface also. Plus HEPZIBAH!!!!!

RAFOTSE was one of the more dissapointing storylines on Uncanny recently, and with the past creators being methed-out Carey, over-the-hill Claremont and he-who-shall-not-be-named, that's saying something. But the gorgeous art, palatable story concept and added HEPZIBAH (I'll miss Ray/Po/Alex dearly but c'mon, Hep rox!) I'm finding myself cautiously optimistic this time around. C'mon Brubaker, I know you've got it in you, don't dissapoint this time...

[Erik Lehnsherr]

More Storm and more news on the Fall storyline? I'll be checking this one out.

[Deus ex Chris]

Hep rox!
ZOMG! It's so true! I can't go two minutes without my hepatitus.

[jmc247]

Damn, is that badly burned guy Magneto? After seeing the X-Men 200 cover with Magneto with a scarred face I worried that they might disfigure Magneto.

Have them say that Shield was the one to blow up the helicopter to try to kill him. I always figured if they ever caught Magneto they would try to kill him. And, then have him actually live through it though be badly burned. It would be an easy way for the writers to get Magneto to wage war on the government again.

[Pro]

Looking forward to this, but that doesn't look like Masque to me, he was always drawn with a huge scar over one his eyes.

Like i said think it's Magneto, white hair under the cowl, plus no massive disfigurements.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Masque back to being a dude and ugly?

Lamerz

Arena masque was the best the character ever was.

[Deus ex Chris]

Like i said think it's Magneto, white hair under the cowl, plus no massive disfigurements.
I'm beginning to believe.

[xmanson]

I'm beginning to believe.

Seems believable it's Magneto. Looks too normal to be Masque.

A crazy powerless Magneto living in the sewers leading a bunch of freakish mutants. I think the Morlocks would be more likely to follow him than masque again.

Interesting. And hopefully, no mention of the Xorn mess.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Damn, is that badly burned guy Magneto? After seeing the X-Men 200 cover with Magneto with a scarred face I worried that they might disfigure Magneto.

Have them say that Shield was the one to blow up the helicopter to try to kill him. I always figured if they ever caught Magneto they would try to kill him. And, then have him actually live through it though be badly burned. It would be an easy way for the writers to get Magneto to wage war on the government again.

What is this X-men 200 cover of which you speak?

As for magneto being written by Brubaker?

I shudder to think of what he will do. Shudder

[xmanson]

Maybe half of his face is Magneto, half is Xorn.

[Deus ex Chris]

I shudder to think of what he will do. Shudder
I do too, but mine are shudders of rapture.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yuck



Also, who is that person who sort of has that kitty pryde costume, but with like the white mullet thing going on?

[xmanson]

Yuck



Also, who is that person who sort of has that kitty pryde costume, but with like the white mullet thing going on?

Someone new? Really doesn't remind me on any character.

[jmc247]

What is this X-men 200 cover of which you speak?

As for magneto being written by Brubaker?

I shudder to think of what he will do. Shudder

I am scared as well.

As for the X-200 cover I am talking about the big one, if you look at Magneto's face in that one it is quite scarred.

[Beast]

Good thing he's writing it then and leaving the drawing to Larocca.

(Sorry, cheap shot I know, couldn't resist. Just kidding though).

In regards to Masque though, although I try not to let continuity stuff bug me, some stuff does stick out, and this is a big one. I mean its a character's freaking gender! I didn't think Masque COULD use his powers on himself to look like he did in Arena, because that was the whole point of him being a Morlock originally. Why would he have ever allowed himself to be a deformed, hideous Morlock if he could use his powers on himself? Now, he could have undergone serious plastic surgery to look the way he did in Arena, but that begs the question...why go back, lol. I dunno, just hope we get some kind of explanation. Whether or not two obscure characters met onpanel in an equally obscure limited series a decade ago is the kind of continuity I see no need to worry about.....but when you're flip flopping a character's gender every time he's used, I'd kind of like more of an explanation than just 'someone messed up.' Sorry, maybe its just me, but THAT is the kind of screw-up that can pull me out of a story, if not addressed.
All writers do that. Look at the X-Men Annual with Carey.

He had Tempo using her powers in ways that are way different than established.

[xmanson]

Masque is NOT a woman. He just likes to dress like one. wasn't he choosing a guy's face to take during Arena?

And Claremont already explianed in X-Fan a long time ago Masque didn't use his powers on himself.

[Kalen O.]

All writers do that. Look at the X-Men Annual with Carey.

He had Tempo using her powers in ways that are way different than established.

Beast, but did Tempo's use of her powers directly contradict previous uses, or merely open up another level of them? Because from what I recall, Masque was specifically said to not be able to use his powers on himself in all his previous appearances. That was the whole point of the character, the inherent irony: he could make anyone else beautiful, but he couldn't do anything about his own scars or deformities. Hence, his bitterness and malicious uses of his powers on others.

[Hi-Fi]

Oh, now that you guys mentioned Magneto, I think that's him!

Am I easily convinced?

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Im really not sure someone should care so much about this masque gender thing

I mean, it was revealed in a third rate x-men spinoff book (x-force right? Or did he/she/it just die in that?)

And Masque is mostly a d-list character.

I actually had a theory that Masque was on kick and under the influence of sublime

Hence why Xorn looked like Magneto, and Masque could use powers on Masque.

[Joe Zool]

Oh, now that you guys mentioned Magneto, I think that's him!

Am I easily convinced?

I seriously think old Mags wouldn't have teeth as ugly as these. ;)

[Beast]

I seriously think old Mags wouldn't have teeth as ugly as these. ;)
After being blown up in a helicarrier, noone would look pretty. ;)

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

still not sure thats mags though

His eyes look dark, and mags has blue eyes doesnt he?

Granted one is blue

But im thinking that is only light because its a dead eye.

[Anna]

Oh! My Most Holy Lord Magneto! What have they done to you? :eek:

[ClanAskani]

Wait... the preview art for Uncanny X-Men 487 is released BEFORE 486 hits stores, spoiling that Hepzibah returns? What are they trying to do? Distract attention from the negative reaction to 486?

[Affinity]

I feel like it should be Masque. But let's see.

Storm looks pretty hot! I think it's cool to see the white stripe in her costume rather than the yellow. It oddly suits her.

The forest scene, is that grass drawn or is Hepzibah pasted in? Looks weird.

[Deus ex Chris]

Wait... the preview art for Uncanny X-Men 487 is released BEFORE 486 hits stores, spoiling that Hepzibah returns? What are they trying to do? Distract attention from the negative reaction to 486?
There hasn't been a negative reaction, other than that on the message boards, which Marvel usually just ignores--with good reason.

Storm looks pretty hot! I think it's cool to see the white stripe in her costume rather than the yellow. It oddly suits her.
I completely agree. From now on, Storm's costumes should be black with white trim. It works better than the black and yellow.

[Saturius]

The only bad thing about the Storm costume is that she's back in a bikini again. Am I the only one tired of this type of costume? What's wrong with pants!? I don't think we should ditch superhero costumes but the days of comic females wearing bikini outfits (Storm, Ms. Marvel, Psylocke etc. needs to be over. The same with men wearing underwear on the outside like Batman and Superman. I think they've just ran their course. Anyway, that's just me nitpicking.

[Deus ex Chris]

The only bad thing about the Storm costume is that she's back in a bikini again. Am I the only one tired of this type of costume? What's wrong with pants!? I don't think we should ditch superhero costumes but the days of comic females wearing bikini outfits (Storm, Ms. Marvel, Psylocke etc. needs to be over. The same with men wearing underwear on the outside like Batman and Superman. I think they've just ran their course. Anyway, that's just me nitpicking.
I absolutely agree, which is why I chose to focus on the excellent color scheme.

[xmanson]

The costume would still be good if she wanst' showing her thighs, just cover it all with black. It's very similar to her current one, manly changing the color and some details on the cape. But I guees that's the way larroca likes her, her X-Treme costume was also a bikini and later on he had him with a mini skirt.

[Affinity]

Looking at Karima and Lady Mastermind, two new character designs on them, I think we are venturing away from the thong costumes and such. Which is a great thing! We just need more time to venture away from them.

[xmanson]

But lady Matermind has her tits and bellybutton showing. They cover down and expose the upper parts.

[Affinity]

That's a reasonable step forward though --- yeah it defies physics but its not riding up or anything. I think its a good step forward and not retreating backwards like Larocca's Storm might be.

In fact, I bet Larocca feels that Storm has strong legs or something. I don't mind because she looks good.

[xmanson]

I like that Rogue HAS to cover all her body, so they get to design nice complete costumes from her. And the minute she lost her powers we had her in shorst and mini blouses living in the beach (good times). (Heh,, remember right after Age of Apocalypse when Andy Kubert had her on some awful mom jean shorts that went waaaaay up)

[Deus ex Chris]

In fact, I bet Larocca feels that Storm has strong legs or something. I don't mind because she looks good.
She does look good, but I find Storm to generally be Larroca's best character. He always spends time on her face, giving her those Cockrum characteristics that so many artists overlook (i.e. the feline eyes, high cheekbones, and widow's peak), and I love that because I find faces to be one of his weakest areas. Most of them look the same.

[Dagger]

Storm has a kinda Tina Turner/Beyonce thing going for her and it really works with this costume design. The colors look phenomenal on her. So, if you got it flaunt it.

I hope Larocca's only on this arc, and then off the book again, cause I am so over him on the X-titles.

[Deus ex Chris]

Storm has a kinda Tina Turner/Beyonce thing going for her and it really works with this costume design.
Yeah, I can totally see the Tina/Beyonce thing, but I personally think she's got more of a Naomi Campbell/Iman thing going. She's all exotic and Amazonian.


The colors look phenomenal on her. So, if you got it flaunt it.
Right!

[Affinity]

Definitely Naomi/Iman! Maybe Tina and Beyonce are too glamorous --- regal is the word for Storm right now. I don't even like Storm and the art is warming me up.

[xmanson]

Iman would be perfect for Storm in a movie, just younger and able to act, of course.

Beyonce can't do much more than sing and do crazy faces and shakes her arms around. Glamourous is not a word i associate with her. Storm does not look that crazy.

Well, Beyonce is Hudlin's Storm. While Iman seems like Claremont's Storm to me. Specially when drawn by BWS.

[Dagger]

Yeah, I can totally see the Tina/Beyonce thing, but I personally think she's got more of a Naomi Campbell/Iman thing going. She's all exotic and Amazonian.
She does, and I can totally see the Naomi, but for some reason looking at those panels, Beyonce screamed out, and I thought that might have been his 'model' since he's been doing these current celebrities for his characters over in NewUniversal.

[Deus ex Chris]

Exotic and regal are definitely Storm descriptors. She should always be those two things, even when she's mega-butch. Glamorous, however, really isn't Storm. That's more Razzle Dazzle's schtick.

[streator]

looks good.

i never thought hepzibah would come back with the x-men.

the page with her and warpath is my favorite of the preview.

who is the morlock woman in the black/yellow costume? i can't place her.

[streator]

also, i don't think that's magneto. it's probably masque (maybe powerless?).

i forsee magneto coming back but not through the morlocks.

[CMBMOOL]

Not sure Xavier's sticking around on the team. And Brubaker teased Angel being a part.



Hope this will be before or after the World War Hulk event? :D


Other than that the preview looks okay, not really up on my Morlock history but I'm sure to get interested in this arc. :o

[Deus ex Chris]

The forest scene, is that grass drawn or is Hepzibah pasted in? Looks weird.
It's because Larroca is using mixed media. It's weird, but I think it's kinda neat.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

It's because Larroca is using mixed media. It's weird, but I think it's kinda neat.

Yeah the grass and background trees are photographs that were altered. It looks decent.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

It looks amazing....except once you get to storm...what's with the weird body posture and the overbite?

[jarrod]

I hope Larocca's only on this arc, and then off the book again, cause I am so over him on the X-titles.
I can agree with that, but only on the condition we get no more Tan.

I still want Copiel back on Uncanny. :(

[Deus ex Chris]

I still want Copiel back on Uncanny. :(
Coipel on Uncanny would be divine.

[dreyson]

I don't like Larroca's art at all.

[Pach!]

I appreciate his art in the way that I know he is talented and I'm sure some people find it beautiful, but it just bores me.

[Fede]

Coipel on Uncanny would be divine.

Coipel 3 +

Doesn't Storm look to skinny in that preview??

Xavier should've been killed!! Or at least, left behind in space or inside that crystal.
So... Brubaker leaves Polaris behind to write warpath? I hope he has bigger plans for him than what we've already seen (nothing).
I don't really care for Rachel or Havok, and Hepzibah seems like a great addition to the cast!

[Mr. Jip]

BORING~~~~

WHAT is WRONG with Marvel??!?
They wanna make changes?>??
Or rehash old storylines and old status quo???

Oh the poor "innocent" Morlocks are being massacred again.
Honey we read that shit in the EIGHTies.

i thought they were all DEAD already.


THRICE.


oH AND Masque & Caliban & Leech are all just "Morlocks" again.

Last time i checked, Masque was in Tokyo, looked like Monroe & hated Munroe, Leech was attending school after the Massachussetts Academy tragedy and Caliban was powerful.

Suddenly, they all decided to LIVE IN THE FUCKIn TUNNELS again coz it's just oh so cozy in there with the RATS and the sewage and shit. Literally.

WHAAAAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAT?????

Does it really make sense to you??>?>



Why don't we have Nightcrawler being maimed by Riptide again, Collosus stuck in metal form,
or Shadowcat miraculously reverting back to her teenage years... .AGAIN, and changing her codename back to Ariel...
...and have her go down the tunnels to look for her friend Caliban, and then she gets harpooned & is stuck in a permanent state of intangibility, and then have Storm go all claustro & angsty because she let the Morlocks down.



Those fugly Morlocks need to watch Ugly Betty & Oprah, & work that shit out, brothaz.

[Brian M.]

The reason this storyline is a big deal is becuase of the number of mutants left on the planet. Each time one dies it's a big deal.

[Beast]

The reason this storyline is a big deal is becuase of the number of mutants left on the planet. Each time one dies it's a big deal.
Exactly. Hence the upcoming one-shot, back-up stories, and crossover.

[Sentinel K]

Coipel on Uncanny would be divine.

Coipel rocked Uncanny when reload happened. Some realy nice stuff.

[Joe Franklin]

Coipel rocked Uncanny when reload happened. Some realy nice stuff.


But sadly he is on the new JMS Thor title, and his great art will be wasted on booooooorrrrring scripts.:(

[Cthulhudrew]

who is the morlock woman in the black/yellow costume? i can't place her.

It looks like one of the unnamed X-Clones created by Masque during the "Search for the X-Men" storyline back in the 90s (specifically, a Storm clone). You know- the story where Jean was given the tentacle arms by Masque (that Claremont later decided he liked so much he gave them to Callisto), and that had Forge and Banshee fighting Morlocks.

Is it me, or does Hepzibah look like she's lost her tail?

[streator]

It looks like one of the unnamed X-Clones created by Masque during the "Search for the X-Men" storyline back in the 90s (specifically, a Storm clone). You know- the story where Jean was given the tentacle arms by Masque (that Claremont later decided he liked so much he gave them to Callisto), and that had Forge and Banshee fighting Morlocks.

Is it me, or does Hepzibah look like she's lost her tail?

i saw someone mention this at newsarama, and i think they're probably right:

the character is bliss, from uncanny x-men 261-263.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/blissmorlock.htm

[creaky]

Was Storm ever confronted with how she wrestled leadership over the Morlocks from Callisto way back when and then ditched them?

[Deus ex Chris]

Was Storm ever confronted with how she wrestled leadership over the Morlocks from Callisto way back when and then ditched them?
Well, that's not fair. First of all, she only challenged Callisto to save the X-Men, who were her actual responsibility. Secondly, she did offer them a place at the mansion, which they declined. Had the Morlocks left the X-Men alone, Callisto never would've lost her job. Anyway, Storm has dealt with her "failing" the Morlocks on many occasions. The first one was during the Mutant Massacre, when they got themselves, well, massacred. If this turns out to be another Storm guilt-trip story, I'll be severely disappointed. Seriously, at some point, the Morlocks will have to take responsibility for themselves.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Was Storm ever confronted with how she wrestled leadership over the Morlocks from Callisto way back when and then ditched them?

Yes there was a mini or something where the morlocks were taken to some African camp where they could live without perscution....apparently they didn't like it and came back to the sewers of Old New York

[Rivka]

also, i don't think that's magneto. it's probably masque (maybe powerless?).

i forsee magneto coming back but not through the morlocks.

This is the way I saw it, but who knows. (I knew my faith and trust in Marvel was going to be thrown back in my face.)

This picture had better not be Magneto! Mags is a handsome man. Even if he was burned, this figure in the red cowl has crooked teeth (which Magneto never had, and this comes from years of neglect, not from explosions). Magneto has pure white hair and eyebrows. This man's hair is grizzled, and eyebrows are dark. Magneto has grey-blue eyes. The side of the face that isn't burned should be handsome, not looking like this picture.

After SON OF M, and AVENGERS #20, this is where Marvel would put Magnus?

One of the things about Magneto is his many female fans, who think he's hot. A lot of us have always said, the guys at Marvel can't stand that -- they want to drive us away, not sell more comic books to us. If this is Magneto, they'd be proving once again, they don't get it, when it comes to Magneto.

Here I was just beginning to think Marvel would treat Magneto with respect from now on.

[Polarity]

Looks good so far. Gotta be better than the Shi'ar arc. But who's the white-haired chick in the generic X-Men costume with mask. I guess it could be Storm, if she's trying to hide her idenity from SHRA officials or something. Though it is sorta neat to see an X-Men costume that incorperates a mask like that again.

I was wondering about her too. But it think that it isn't Storm.
It's nice to see that Storm's supposed leadership of the Morlocks will be touched upon again.
She's done a lousy job.
And since Uncanny#325 no one has even mentioned it.
I know the Morlocks are sort of over. But there are still some that stayed behind I guess.

[Beast]

I was wondering about her too. But it think that it isn't Storm.
It's nice to see that Storm's supposed leadership of the Morlocks will be touched upon again.
She's done a lousy job.
And since Uncanny#325 no one has even mentioned it.
I know the Morlocks are sort of over. But there are still some that stayed behind I guess.
Check up a few posts. Apperantly one of Masque's X-Men, Bliss. :)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/blissmorlock.htm

[Red Lotus]

All I can say is, hopefully Storm only sticks around for this arc, and Brubaker gets back to resolving his craptastic Vulcan story so we can see Havok and Polaris again.

Well they claimed the consequences of the space arc would resound in the summer crossover so dunno .. maybe they just meant mentally as in:"man. that went bad that one time in space eh?" ..

Since I don't like Storm and I think Bru run on Uncanny hasn't been that great I already know that Storm is going to be here to stay which is going to make me dislike this book even more.

Its pretty sad when you think maybe Hepzibah will make you like this book better, because right now that is my only hope.


Not sure Xavier's sticking around on the team. And Brubaker teased Angel being a part.

This is the first good news I have heard about this book in almost a year.

[creaky]

Well, that's not fair. First of all, she only challenged Callisto to save the X-Men, who were her actual responsibility.

By winning leadership of the Morlocks, they became her responsibility as much as the X-men, whether she liked it or not. If it was too much for her to handle, she should have delegated the leadership to Callisto or anyone else and work out a plan to help them have a better future. Instead she just dropped them and went back to live in her posh mansion suite. She never made any effort to understand them or their culture.


Secondly, she did offer them a place at the mansion, which they declined. Had the Morlocks left the X-Men alone, Callisto never would've lost her job.

So simply because they didn't feel at home in the mansion she was right to just shrug and drop them? That's hardly what good leadership is about. Of course they were hesitant to leave the sewers - the sewers were their home and refuge and had been for quite some time. It's quite natural to develop a fondness for the environment you consider home. Just because another place is fancier doesn't mean they will enjoy it more there, especially when they would be surrounded by "pretty people". Storm had both the opportunity and the responsibility to make a difference in the Morlocks' lives and she blew it.

[Deus ex Chris]

By winning leadership of the Morlocks, they became her responsibility as much as the X-men, whether she liked it or not. If it was too much for her to handle, she should have delegated the leadership to Callisto or anyone else and work out a plan to help them have a better future. Instead she just dropped them and went back to live in her posh mansion suite. She never made any effort to understand them or their culture.
She actually did leave Callisto in charge, and Storm never made an effort to understand them because she had other, more pressing responsibilities. Again, had they simply left the X-Men alone, that never would've happened. It's seems very Karmic to me.


So simply because they didn't feel at home in the mansion she was right to just shrug and drop them? That's hardly what good leadership is about.
You're right. Good leadership is about taking care of your people, which is what she was doing by challenging Callisto in the first place.


Of course they were hesitant to leave the sewers - the sewers were their home and refuge and had been for quite some time. It's quite natural to develop a fondness for the environment you consider home. Just because another place is fancier doesn't mean they will enjoy it more there, especially when they would be surrounded by "pretty people".Storm had both the opportunity and the responsibility to make a difference in the Morlocks' lives and she blew it.
So what was Storm supposed to do? Give up her responsibilities to go live with a bunch of rejects who resorted to violence and kidnapping simply to get their way? Callisto screwed the whole thing up. She brought it down around herself. Storm did what she had to do to get her people out.

[xmanson]

Wow, i read that Morlock story from waaaaaaaaaaay back and didn't remmeber the white haired chick at all. Is she still powered? Funny she still has that costume.

[creaky]

She actually did leave Callisto in charge, and Storm never made an effort to understand them because she had other, more pressing responsibilities. Again, had they simply left the X-Men alone, that never would've happened. It's seems very Karmic to me.


You're right. Good leadership is about taking care of your people, which is what she was doing by challenging Callisto in the first place.


So what was Storm supposed to do? Give up her responsibilities to go live with a bunch of rejects who resorted to violence and kidnapping simply to get their way? Callisto screwed the whole thing up. She brought it down around herself. Storm did what she had to do to get her people out.

Yeah, that's the right X-men attitude: "Screw'em all!" Apart from the obvious ethical side of it, it was a bad idea strategically, too. The X-men needed allies at that point, not more enemies. The Morlocks weren't the Marauders - their antagonism was motivated and they were ready to co-operate. And it's not like it was the last time she bolted from her responsibilies - after the Mutant Massacre, when people were dying around her and morale was low, she ran off to a cabin in the woods without a word to anyone and had to be dragged back by the scruff of her neck by Callisto. Then, later, at a point where the team had changed and antagonism was high within and outside of the group, she decided that now was the time to go off and "find herself", leaving Logan, who several times before had said he didn't want to lead, in charge.

She had accepted leadership of the Morlocks. That made them her responsibility. Claremont may have wanted her to be the X-men's Super Leader, but he didn't always write her as such, when you look at what good leadership is supposed to be about.

[dellicious]

i got sick of Sal laroccas art, but this is the best its looked in quite a long time
looking forward to that and the return of storm
and with the the red haired dead weight left in space, this book can only go up and up

[Deus ex Chris]

Yeah, that's the right X-men attitude: "Screw'em all!" Apart from the obvious ethical side of it, it was a bad idea strategically, too. The X-men needed allies at that point, not more enemies. The Morlocks weren't the Marauders - their antagonism was motivated and they were ready to co-operate.
Um, yeah, and she left them as allies. Your point?


And it's not like it was the last time she bolted from her responsibilies - after the Mutant Massacre, when people were dying around her and morale was low, she ran off to a cabin in the woods without a word to anyone and had to be dragged back by the scruff of her neck by Callisto.Claremont gives her a moment of weakness, and you use that as a testament of why she isn't a good leader? She had a breakdown, but she bounced right back. That's called being human.


Then, later, at a point where the team had changed and antagonism was high within and outside of the group, she decided that now was the time to go off and "find herself", leaving Logan, who several times before had said he didn't want to lead, in charge. She didn't go to find herself. She went to find Forge, so he would restore her powers. I'd say that's a valid reason to go.


She had accepted leadership of the Morlocks. That made them her responsibility. Most of whom were adults. They were responsible for themselves, and she didn't accept leadership of the Morlocks. She took it to save her team from those same Morlocks. I'm sorry, but I call bullshit on the whole Morlock argument. Storm offered them a home on a safe, secluded estate where they would be protected and provided for and this was after they threatened the lives of her team. They turned down her offer. That's on them.


Claremont may have wanted her to be the X-men's Super Leader, but he didn't always write her as such, when you look at what good leadership is supposed to be about.Well, I don't think Claremont ever tried to make her the "super" leader. She questioned herself left and right and considered many of her decisions to be mistakes. That doesn't necessarily mean those decisions were mistakes, such as the situation with the Morlocks. At some point, personality responsibility has to come into play for everyone of those individuals. Everything can't be pinned on Storm.

[Affinity]

i saw someone mention this at newsarama, and i think they're probably right:

the character is bliss, from uncanny x-men 261-263.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/blissmorlock.htm

Wow, that's definitely her. Thanks for that link!

[creaky]

Um, yeah, and she left them as allies. Your point?

My point is that she risked turning them into enemies by dumping them like she did. The Morlocks had every reason to want nothing to do with her after that.


Claremont gives her a moment of weakness, and you use that as a testament of why she isn't a good leader? She had a breakdown, but she bounced right back. That's called being human.

I'm saying that she's not as good a leader as she is often proclaimed to be. Usually tactical errors and selfish agendas are glossed over just because she's considered a good female role model.


She didn't go to find herself. She went to find Forge, so he would restore her powers. I'd say that's a valid reason to go.

Why? She had learned to function without her powers. Her lack of powers was hardly the reason for the glitches in her leadership. She wanted her powers back for selfish reasons and she abandoned her leadership responsibilities because of it.


Most of whom were adults. They were responsible for themselves,

Say what? When you're adult you don't need leadership?? You clearly have no idea what leadership is about.


and she didn't accept leadership of the Morlocks. She took it to save her team from those same Morlocks.

And by taking it she accepted it. That kind of responsibility isn't something you just throw away because you consider the group in question to be "lesser" than you.


I'm sorry, but I call bullshit on the whole Morlock argument. Storm offered them a home on a safe, secluded estate where they would be protected and provided for and this was after they threatened the lives of her team. They turned down her offer. That's on them.

The concept of "home" is a pretty strong one, especially when you're an outcast from society. Had she stayed and earned their trust, perhaps she could eventually have persuaded them. When dealing with highly suspicious people like Morlocks, people who had been shunned and mistreated all their lives, psychology is key. You don't just barge in and give orders and then go "screw you" when you don't get the result you want.

She did make mistakes and that was one of them.

[Deus ex Chris]

My point is that she risked turning them into enemies by dumping them like she did. The Morlocks had every reason to want nothing to do with her after that.
No, they didn't. They kidnapped, imprisoned, and severely injured X-Men. They had every reason to beg for her mercy.



I'm saying that she's not as good a leader as she is often proclaimed to be. Usually tactical errors and selfish agendas are glossed over just because she's considered a good female role model.What selfish agendas? She acts selflessly on a regular basis.



Why? She had learned to function without her powers. Her lack of powers was hardly the reason for the glitches in her leadership. She wanted her powers back for selfish reasons and she abandoned her leadership responsibilities because of it.She didn't abandon anything. She took a leave of absence. For personal reasons? Yeah but it was something that she knew would benefit the X-Men in the long run, and wonder of wonders, it did.



Say what? When you're adult you don't need leadership?? You clearly have no idea what leadership is about. And you clearly don't understand personal responsibility. See? I can make assumptions about you too. It's inappropriate and rude. Let's both stop. OK?



And by taking it she accepted it. That kind of responsibility isn't something you just throw away because you consider the group in question to be "lesser" than you. No one ever said she considered them lesser in anything other than priority because the X-Men were her priority. Again, she did what she had to do to save them. Why are you having so much trouble with that?


The concept of "home" is a pretty strong one, especially when you're an outcast from society.
Cry me a river. She offered them paradise, and they threw it away.


Had she stayed and earned their trust, perhaps she could eventually have persuaded them.Let me get this straight: you're judging her for leaving the Morlocks, but you condone her walking out on the X-Men and her responsibility to them not to mention her entire life? Right...she's supposed to walk out on her team to join a community that she wrested control of simply to save said team. Honestly, that's stupid. It doesn't make sense.


When dealing with highly suspicious people like Morlocks, people who had been shunned and mistreated all their lives, psychology is key. You don't just barge in and give orders and then go "screw you" when you don't get the result you want.Well, it's a good thing she didn't barge in and give orders. The Morlocks were playing kidnap and imprison the X-Men, and Storm did what she had to do to save them--not to mention, Kitty's life was at stake. How many times do we have to go through this?


She did make mistakes and that was one of them.She's certainly made mistakes, but I absolutely disagree. That wasn't one of them.

[jarrod]

i got sick of Sal laroccas art, but this is the best its looked in quite a long time
looking forward to that and the return of storm
and with the the red haired dead weight left in space, this book can only go up and up
Heh, it's not the characters that've been dragging this book into the gutter the past year. I have hopes for the next arc, but getting Ray away from Bru's clutches can really only help the character long term... you Storm fans should be a little more wary, we've seen what Bru can do, though at least Ro won't need to suffer visually under Tan like Ray had to.

[creaky]

No, they didn't. They kidnapped, imprisoned, and severely injured X-Men. They had every reason to beg for her mercy.

They were a group of mutants who had suffered alienation and persecution a lot worse than most X-men. Of course they were antagonistic and suspicious. The X-men's mission statement was never "eye for an eye", or abandoning people who need them when there's a chance of helping them - especially not when the people in question were fellow mutants. They had higher standards than that. Way higher. They were there to set an example, to make a difference. To help.


What selfish agendas? She acts selflessly on a regular basis.

I'm sure she does, but that doesn't change that at that time, she did act selfishly.


She didn't abandon anything. She took a leave of absence.

That is, technically, the same thing, especially since she did it during a time when strong leadership was needed.


For personal reasons? Yeah but it was something that she knew would benefit the X-Men in the long run, and wonder of wonders, it did.

The X-men never relied solely on Storm's weather powers. It was an asset, sure, but one among many. She had plenty of super-powered people on her team. That quest could have been much better timed.



No one ever said she considered them lesser in anything other than priority because the X-Men were her priority. Again, she did what she had to do to save them. Why are you having so much trouble with that?

By considering them lesser in priority, she did, in effect, consider them lesser as people. Because leadership affected their day-to-day lives. Every large group needs a leader, especially when they have plenty of enemies.


Let me get this straight: you're judging her for leaving the Morlocks, but you condone her walking out on the X-Men and her responsibility to them not to mention her entire life? Right...she's supposed to walk out on her team to join a community that she wrested control of simply to save said team. Honestly, that's stupid. It doesn't make sense.

It makes plenty sense. She wouldn't be the first leader to have to juggle two responsibilities at the same time. It happens and people deal with it, in one way or another. Storm simply didn't deal with it. The Morlocks were as much her responsibility as the X-men were as soon as she won the title and not only deserved, but needed to be led just as much. The fact that they didn't turn on the X-men and became permanent enemies was pure luck (or bad writing).

[sherlockbones]

Na, Bru said he'd play a decent role in this arc. Probably just hurt.

or a dead clone

[Deus ex Chris]

They were a group of mutants who had suffered alienation and persecution a lot worse than most X-men. Of course they were antagonistic and suspicious. The X-men's mission statement was never "eye for an eye", or abandoning people who need them when there's a chance of helping them - especially not when the people in question were fellow mutants. They had higher standards than that. Way higher. They were there to set an example, to make a difference. To help.
The Morlocks chose to stay in those tunnels. Once again, the X-Men did try to help. Storm offered them a place at Xavier's. Also, let's not forget that the X-Men went to their aid during the Mutant Massacre as soon as they heard about it.



I'm sure she does, but that doesn't change that at that time, she did act selfishly.No, she didn't. She acted to save the lives of her team. That's selfless.



That is, technically, the same thing, especially since she did it during a time when strong leadership was needed.First of all, it's not like she walked out in the middle of battle. Second, her team was comprised of adults. They didn't need her to constantly hold their hands.


The X-men never relied solely on Storm's weather powers. It was an asset, sure, but one among many. She had plenty of super-powered people on her team. That quest could have been much better timed.One among many? From her inception, Storm has been one of the X-Men's big guns. Her abilities aren't just one asset among many. She's got one of the most versatile and potent power sets among the X-Men. I'd also like to know when you think would've been a better time?




By considering them lesser in priority, she did, in effect, consider them lesser as people. No, she didn't. Storm's primary duty was to the X-Men. Why would that change? She only took leadership of the Morlocks to save the X-Men.


Because leadership affected their day-to-day lives. Every large group needs a leader, especially when they have plenty of enemies. They still had Callisto. Nothing really changed for them, and they didn't have plenty of enemies--except the ones they made for themselves (i.e. the X-Men). The surface world wasn't even aware of them, and the Marauders were just completely unforeseen by anyone.


It makes plenty sense. She wouldn't be the first leader to have to juggle two responsibilities at the same time. It happens and people deal with it, in one way or another. Storm simply didn't deal with it. The Morlocks were as much her responsibility as the X-men were as soon as she won the title and not only deserved, but needed to be led just as much. The fact that they didn't turn on the X-men and became permanent enemies was pure luck (or bad writing).You're trying to present the Morlocks as the victims, and you keep glossing over the fact that they were actually the aggressors. If anyone is lucky not to have made permanent enemies, it's them. Their treatment of the X-Men was inexcusable, regardless of their circumstances.

[creaky]

The Morlocks chose to stay in those tunnels. Once again, the X-Men did try to help. Storm offered them a place at Xavier's. Also, let's not forget that the X-Men went to their aid during the Mutant Massacre as soon as they heard about it.

Yes, it's too bad that Storm wasn't there when it actually happened. You know, to lead her group, fight, organize escapes, etc. Whether it would have made a difference is another matter, but then, considering she was written by Claremont, she would probably have saved the day, single-handedly.



No, she didn't. She acted to save the lives of her team. That's selfless.

There was no evidence that the team NEEDED her powers at the time. No situation that desperately called for weather manipulation. In fact, most superhero groups do just fine without that power, so why shouldn't hers? There was, however, evidence that there was tension within the group and that leadership was needed.


First of all, it's not like she walked out in the middle of battle. Second, her team was comprised of adults. They didn't need her to constantly hold their hands.

Being a leader is more than just leading in battle. The battle can happen at any moment, it's not like the enemy will always give you fair warning. Being a leader is about being in touch with your team, keeping them a functioning unit. Walking away at a time when the team was new and there was tension? Not the best way to accomplish this. And you don't reach an age when, in a team, you simply don't need a leader. Look at every superhero team out there - they all have a leader and most of them are adults. Look at any group of people striving to accomplish a common goal, period - they have a leader. Workplaces, churches, charity foundations, clubs, countries - they're all led. Even democracies are led.
It's not about needing a babysitter, it's about needing someone to pull the group together so it can efficiently accomplish their goals.


I'd also like to know when you think would've been a better time?

At a time when the group was stable. And if such a time never presented itself, then too bad.


They still had Callisto. Nothing really changed for them,

Exactly - nothing changed. No improvements, no new moral codes or teachings, no attempt to change them or their outlook. In fact, barely any contact what so ever. They finally had a connection to mutants who were a bit more privileged and civilized than they were and in the end, it changed nothing. Bringing them to the mansion would have changed what? They would still have had to hide there, the threat would still be out there and they would have felt out of place to boot. The sewer itself was never the Morlocks' problem.



and they didn't have plenty of enemies--except the ones they made for themselves (i.e. the X-Men). The surface world wasn't even aware of them, and the Marauders were just completely unforeseen by anyone.

"No enemies"? Given that the very X-men premise states that they "live in a world that hates and fears them", how much more wouldn't it hate mutants who still had threatening powers and who were ugly to boot? There's a reason that they went into hiding.


You're trying to present the Morlocks as the victims, and you keep glossing over the fact that they were actually the aggressors. If anyone is lucky not to have made permanent enemies, it's them. Their treatment of the X-Men was inexcusable, regardless of their circumstances.

The Morlocks were neither 100% victims nor 100% villains. Their situation was designed to not be black-or-white. They were hostile, hateful and sometimes overly suspicious. Their culture was destructive in many ways, but their hate didn't come about unmotivated and they did show a willingness, however slowly, to actually listen to the X-men.
Considering that the X-men took in Rogue - a former terrorist - and Logan - who had at least hundreds of lives upon his conscience and didn't show much sign of repentance until late - it's funny if they wouldn't show the same kind of understanding and forgiveness towards people who had been even more mistreated and alienated than they had, had done less harm overall than Rogue and Logan and who, for the most part, preferred to live in peace. It's not about painting the Morlocks out as angels. It's about the X-men having higher standards, morally.