Are Marvel metaphors getting more blatent now adays?

[jmc247]

It seems to me that writers in the past were alot more subtle with their metaphors. Like Magneto needing Cortez for power boosts as a metaphor for needing drugs to feel strong compaired to Magneto using Kick as a metphor for drugs in real life to feel strong.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetodrugs.jpg

[StoneGold]

Your second example isn't a metaphor. It's a drug. Drugs are not a metaphor for drugs. Other wise, Stan wrote the most blatant metaphor of all when he had Harry get hooked on drugs.


Actually, the drugs there were a metaphor for the encroaching Red Menace, so that's not quite true.

[JoeK32880]

What, this isn't subtle enough for you?

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w126/JoeK32880/2511_3.jpg

[jmc247]

What, this isn't subtle enough for you?



Yes, that is about as subtle as most Marvel comics now adays.

[Captain Mobra]

I sort of figured that she'd want him bigger, but whatever. . .


Lol.

[Atom_basher]

I sort of figured that she'd want him bigger, but whatever. . .


Lol.

not if he can shrink, get all up in there and............

[Sanagi]

I don't know, but this thread is making me glad I don't read Marvel comics much anymore.

[Dagger]

I don't know, but this thread is making me glad I don't read Marvel comics much anymore.
It's a good thing you read DC, as the first example was written by Grant Morrison, and the second was written by Geoff Johns.

[XPac]

not if he can shrink, get all up in there and............

I'm actually curious what Hank meant when he told Jan it was her turn. What did he want her to do?

Actually, nevermind. I don't want to know.

[Sir Tim Drake]

It's not a new thing. Back in the 1970s, Steve Gerber more-or-less explicitly showed that Richard Nixon was the head of the Secret Empire.

[davros42]

Ummm, yeah... Marvel Metaphors have been heavy handed since Hitler was the first Hatemonger....

[Agent Helix]

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Neither of these are metaphors at all. Magneto is ACTUALLY doing drugs, and Hank and Janet are ACTUALLY having sex. Do you know what metaphors are?

[jmc247]

Ummm, yeah... Marvel Metaphors have been heavy handed since Hitler was the first Hatemonger....

That was a metaphor? I thought that was bad writing.

[Magneto Rocks]

It's a good thing you read DC, as the first example was written by Grant Morrison, and the second was written by Geoff Johns.

OWNED!

Booyah!

[psm]

It's a good thing you read DC, as the first example was written by Grant Morrison, and the second was written by Geoff Johns.

LOL. Good point.

[Tommy]

*Thinks back to Buffy The Vampire Slayer seasons 4&5 where “Wiccan” was a metaphor for “Lesbian”*

*Thinks back to Buffy season 6 where magic was a metaphor for drugs*

Metaphors of that nature are stupid, and doing a story where Magneto actually does drugs is far more interesting than a story where he uses something in place of drugs.

[Monty_Cristo]

superheroism = drug

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Loners.png

superheroism = firearms

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/WhoseSide.jpg

[StoneGold]

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Neither of these are metaphors at all. Magneto is ACTUALLY doing drugs, and Hank and Janet are ACTUALLY having sex. Do you know what metaphors are?

Thank you. That's what I said in the second post! Unless their having sex was actually a metaphor for the genocide in Darfour. You just don't understand the whole Arthurian cycle enough to get it.

[Monty_Cristo]

Thank you. That's what I said in the second post! Unless their having sex was actually a metaphor for the genocide in Darfour. You just don't understand the whole Arthurian cycle enough to get it.

it was a metaphor for child birth.

[Novaya Havoc]

It's not a new thing. Back in the 1970s, Steve Gerber more-or-less explicitly showed that Richard Nixon was the head of the Secret Empire.

Dazzler explicitly stated that Reagan hates mutants in the 80's.

Oh, those Republicans!

[Novaya Havoc]

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Neither of these are metaphors at all. Magneto is ACTUALLY doing drugs, and Hank and Janet are ACTUALLY having sex. Do you know what metaphors are?

I think what he's trying to say is that before the MU used to be more metaphorical about real-life issues.

Now they just outright address said issues (though there are hints of metaphors, but they're more often parallels).

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

*Thinks back to Buffy The Vampire Slayer seasons 4&5 where “Wiccan” was a metaphor for “Lesbian”*

As i understand it Wiccan is actually a synonym for Lesbian. :p

[ultramandingo]

.........so what was captain america geting killed by axis of evil types an mataphor for , higher comics sales?

[Monty_Cristo]

.........so what was captain america geting killed by axis of evil types an mataphor for , higher comics sales?

disillusionment/destruction of innoncence

[Novaya Havoc]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Dazzler/dazz_republicanshilite.jpg

Reagan. :( Those Republicans are so judgemental about poor Dazz! :(

[Sanagi]

It's a good thing you read DC, as the first example was written by Grant Morrison, and the second was written by Geoff Johns.
Actually, there's a different list of reasons why I'm glad I don't read DC comics much anymore. I'm not sure if it can match Ant-Man TMI for repulsion level, though.

[Mikl C]

WTF where is that hank/jan panel from?!

[JoeK32880]

WTF where is that hank/jan panel from?!

Avengers (volume 3) 71.

[StoneGold]

.........so what was captain america geting killed by axis of evil types an mataphor for , higher comics sales?

Not Axis of Evil, just regular Axis types.

[trickster]

That was a metaphor? I thought that was bad writing.

And yet, to this day whenever there's a threat, quick let's make it a Nazi threat. Cos you know, nazis are evil.

Whenever I see that Nazi strawman brought up,
all I can think of is:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/320349823_3f529d715f_o.gif

and how if it wasn't for them, comics would pretty much run out of enemies.

Do you know what metaphors are?

He can't even spell right, you expect him to know what a metaphor is?