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Sean Walsh
05-13-2007, 03:30 PM
Man, first they go carbon neutral and now this. The bastards! (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271915,00.html) :p


Big-Name Authors Like King, Lethem Trying To Write Comic Books
Sunday, May 13, 2007

NEW YORK — Author Jonathan Lethem was a big fan of the comic "Omega the Unknown" when he was a boy growing up in Brooklyn, and he was pretty depressed when the superhero vanished from corner store shelves.

Never fear. He'll see Omega in print again soon, because Marvel Entertainment is reviving the comic after 30 years — with Lethem writing the story.

"I was very devoted as a teenager to comic books," said Lethem, who recently finished a tour for his new novel, "You Don't Love Me Yet."

"I drifted to other kinds of reading, but I never lost interest in the medium."

Lethem joins a growing list of novelists such as Stephen King and Michael Chabon, who have shifted to work on comic books as the medium gains critical and academic respect and becomes more mainstream.

Marvel contacted Lethem after his book "Fortress of Solitude," which had some comic-book reverence, and asked if he was interested in doing work in the medium, said Marvel publisher Dan Buckley.

"We wanted to see what he was interested in, and he brought it up immediately," Buckley said. "Bringing this kind of talent to the room is fantastic. He knows how to tell a story, and his perspective is different from traditional comic writers."

Omega's not your average swashbuckling superhero. He's mute, for starters, and has a sort of psychic connection with a 12-year-old boy named James-Michael Starling, who moved to New York City with his family from "the mountains" to improve socialization skills after years of home-schooling. Trouble ensues, of course, and he meets Omega, the last surviving member of an unnamed alien race.

"It was an interesting challenge," Lethem said. "One of the things I concluded very quickly was that it's not a written form. My primary task was to provide amazing things for artists to draw."

The first six issues are in the can, and the series will have a total of 10, like the original, which debuted in 1976. No official release date has been given.

Suspense writer Greg Rucka works on several series for DC Comics, including "Batman," "Superman" and "Gotham Central." He also did a limited series called "52," about a year when Wonder Woman, Superman and Batman temporarily suspended their crusades, and a new superhero called Supernova takes over to save the world. Best-selling author Brad Meltzer worked on the "Justice League of America," for DC, and excerpts of his 2006 novel, "The Book of Fate," were included in the first issue.

Meltzer and his publishers also put excerpts of "Justice League" into the paperback edition of "Book of Fate," the first time a comic book has appeared in a novel, he says.

He believes the medium shouldn't matter, as long as the story is good.

"There has just been so much snobbery that has existed with comic books," he said. "We've got to prove that these things are equal."

Best-selling writer of "Nineteen Minutes," Jodi Picoult is the current author of the legendary Wonder Woman series at DC. She is only the second woman to ever write the series in its more than 60-year-old history. The biggest challenge for Picoult was tethering the character's lengthy past with contemporary issues and her own writing style.

"You don't want to go down in history as the one who ruined Wonder Woman," she said. "She comes with a history, and a very loyal fan base that doesn't want to see you mess around."

Other authors turned their creations into comic-book heroes.

Chabon, who wrote about cartoonists in his Pulitzer-prize winning novel "The Amazing Adventures of Cavalier and Clay," chose to turn the novel's cartoon "The Escapist" into a a real graphic novel for Dark Horse Comics. His editor, Diana Schutz, helped him modify his thinking from chapters and sentences to panels. Schutz, a longtime editor, also works with authors Glen David Gold and Chris Offutt.

She said there are tremendous differences in the mediums, and writers often aren't used to thinking about the presentation of a story or the physical representation of their characters. But it can be taught.

"A good writer is a good writer," she said. "It really is just a matter of coming to grips with the different form, the different structure of the medium. Some novelists don't make a successful transition into writing screenplays, that doesn't mean they're not good. It means they can't think pictures very well. And comics are basically still movies."

Similarly, King chose to work with Marvel to develop his "Dark Tower" book series, instead of making it into a film or TV miniseries. The story is part Western, part fantasy and part adventure, and the comic centers on the story of Roland Deschain, a man who lives in a futuristic kind of world, and his quest to find the "Man in Black" and later on, the dark tower.

So far, the title has seen significant commercial success. More than 200,000 copies of the first issue, out in early March, were sold, by far the best-selling non-superhero comic in more than a decade. King hopes comic readers will find an exciting new story in the "Dark Tower."

"I'm a big fan of the medium," King said of comic books. "A different way to tell stories is always exciting. It's like being a kid with a chemistry set."

And comic book publishers are fans of authors with a loyal audience.

"The fan base helps grow the market," Buckley said. "It's an important initiative, bringing the best talent you can to the table and also seeing what new readers you can attract."

Marvel executive editor Axel Alonso said he loves working with novelists.

"They're a known quantity to me," said Alonso, who worked with Lethem on "Omega."

"I've read their books, I get a sense of what their dialogue is," he said. "I come to them for their voice. I'm not looking to duplicate comic books they read as a kid or on the racks. I want their unique style to come through."

And Buckley says there's plenty of space in the comic books to go around, so regular comic book writers and writer-artists shouldn't worry that their jobs are being taken away.

"We're publishing more than 70 or 80 titles a month. There's plenty of room for comic writers, TV writers, novelists, you name it," Buckley said. "The other creators are excited — yeah it's competition — but they understand it's great for us to get our name out there into the mainstream."

Michael P
05-13-2007, 03:31 PM
It's great how the Associated Press is reporting the biggest comic stories of last year.

Magneto_X
05-13-2007, 05:10 PM
The editor did a real sh*tty job with the title of this piece.

They aren't "trying" to get into comics, well maybe Lethem since he hasn't gotten a comic published yet, but the others (including King!) have all written comics for *years*. As in past tense.

Then again, it's Fox News. At least they aren't making the comic industry look like a pack of freaks, psychos or losers.

Spike-X
05-13-2007, 05:32 PM
So in reality, comics are losing critical and academic respect?

Sir Tim Drake
05-13-2007, 08:01 PM
It would be nice if they had said something about comics criticism and academics.

Ryan Day
05-14-2007, 08:33 AM
It's so great that Marvel & DC are leading the charge towards critical and and academic respectability. (With a little bit of Dark Horse, I guess)

I also had the impression that King wasn't actually writing Dark Tower - he's practically just a plot consultant or something.

On the up side, I'm glad to hear that we'll be seeing that Omega book soon. Looks pretty darn cool.

dingo
05-14-2007, 08:42 AM
I also had the impression that King wasn't actually writing Dark Tower - he's practically just a plot consultant or something.


That's about right, but writing a comic is a different skill from writing prose or a screenplay. It wouldn't be worth his time to aquire those skills.

Ryan Day
05-14-2007, 08:46 AM
That's about right, but writing a comic is a different skill from writing prose or a screenplay. It wouldn't be worth his time to aquire those skills.

I'm sure it isn't. But you'd think it would be worth a journalist's time to point that out.

(On the other hand, this reads like a regurgitation of a couple press releases by Marvel & DC, so I'm really not surprised.)

Magneto_X
05-14-2007, 09:10 PM
I also had the impression that King wasn't actually writing Dark Tower - he's practically just a plot consultant or something.


King is doing story outlines at most, but Peter David is executing it.

dingo:

King knows how to write a comic script. It's odd that Marvel isn't trying to get him to write it *himself*.

He has written comics before. It's not like he's at square one here.

Screenplays format is quite close to comic format (DC-style). Read any script from Buffy and Angel, for example.

dingo
05-15-2007, 01:26 AM
King is doing story outlines at most, but Peter David is executing it.

dingo:

King knows how to write a comic script. It's odd that Marvel isn't trying to get him to write it *himself*.

He has written comics before. It's not like he's at square one here.

Screenplays format is quite close to comic format (DC-style). Read any script from Buffy and Angel, for example.

When has King written a comics before?

And I think that the differences between screenplay and full script comic writing are still big enough to say that being able to do one is not a guaruntee of being able to do another.

Off the top of my head:
Comics have caption boxes, screenplays don't.
Comics (full script) often involve what are essentially stage directions to the artist.
The difference between a page turn reveal and an advert break type reveal can be a factor.

The biggest though:
Comics have to tell a story with still images. Sometimes this is liberating, sometimes it is restricting. For somebody to hear a noise, dive for a gun, run for cover look to see if it is clear and then start shooting would take about five seconds of screen time but about a page of comic.

JoeK32880
05-15-2007, 01:29 AM
King has written for Marvel before, including Creepshow, Bizarre Adventures and the Heroes For Hope X-Men special. He's also written a Batman comic (400).

Spike-X
05-15-2007, 01:36 AM
From memory, he only wrote the foreword to the Batman comic.

dingo
05-15-2007, 01:40 AM
From memory, he only wrote the foreword to the Batman comic.

My memory concurs.

Don't know about those others.

Chris Nowlin
05-15-2007, 01:41 AM
Comics have to tell a story with still images. Sometimes this is liberating, sometimes it is restricting. For somebody to hear a noise, dive for a gun, run for cover look to see if it is clear and then start shooting would take about five seconds of screen time but about a page of comic.

That's a possibility, but not a given. Comics use words and pictures. It's at the authors discretion how much of the scene you describe to display visually and how much to just describe in caption, etc. Also, there are different ways to display that visually. But I agree there is a difference inherent in the way the two mediums would depict such a scene. Just not sure you're giving the versatility of comics enough credit.

Chris Nowlin
05-15-2007, 01:45 AM
My memory concurs.

Don't know about those others.

I mean, Heroes for Hope was a fundraising comic with tons of celebrity guest writers writing a page or so. That barely counts.

And the Lawnmower Man story in Bizarre Adventures was an adaptation of a prose short story he'd written. Though GCD claims he did actually do work on the comic strip, so I guess it counts...

howyadoin
05-15-2007, 01:45 AM
It's so great that Marvel & DC are leading the charge towards critical and and academic respectability. (With a little bit of Dark Horse, I guess)

I also had the impression that King wasn't actually writing Dark Tower - he's practically just a plot consultant or something. He already wrote Dark Tower, like 20 years ago. I'm pretty sure this is just a straight-up adaption.

dingo
05-15-2007, 01:50 AM
That's a possibility, but not a given. Comics use words and pictures. It's at the authors discretion how much of the scene you describe to display visually and how much to just describe in caption, etc. Also, there are different ways to display that visually. But I agree there is a difference inherent in the way the two mediums would depict such a scene. Just not sure you're giving the versatility of comics enough credit.

It's absoultely true that there are many ways to play the scene I described, but the point I was going for is that they would be differenct in the two mediums.

I think comics are very versatile, and if I didn't give that impression then I will start the self flaggelation.

There are things that comics do that movies never could. My favourite though, is that any action/fast scene's are slowed down by a comic, where you can look at each panel in as much detail as you want. That is why comics are my hands down, no contest, favourite medium for fight scenes and action scenes.

dingo
05-15-2007, 01:53 AM
He already wrote Dark Tower, like 20 years ago. I'm pretty sure this is just a straight-up adaption.

I'm not sure, but I think this is actually covering new ground.

Chris Nowlin
05-15-2007, 01:56 AM
It's absoultely true that there are many ways to play the scene I described, but the point I was going for is that they would be differenct in the two mediums.

I think comics are very versatile, and if I didn't give that impression then I will start the self flaggelation.

There are things that comics do that movies never could. My favourite though, is that any action/fast scene's are slowed down by a comic, where you can look at each panel in as much detail as you want. That is why comics are my hands down, no contest, favourite medium for fight scenes and action scenes.

Good. We are on the same page.

Just checking

Perry Holley
05-15-2007, 04:23 AM
King has written for Marvel before, including Creepshow, Bizarre Adventures and the Heroes For Hope X-Men special. He's also written a Batman comic (400).Back in the 80's, I remember reading some rumors that King was writing some indy horror comics under a pen name, but I don't know if there was any truth to that or not.

Magneto_X
05-15-2007, 01:43 PM
He already wrote Dark Tower, like 20 years ago. I'm pretty sure this is just a straight-up adaption.

It's not. The Dark Tower mini-series is just a prequel to the book for the origin of Roland.

Michael P
05-15-2007, 01:44 PM
It's not. The Dark Tower mini-series is just a prequel to the book for the origin of Roland.

Except it adapts flashback material from books I and IV, written as early as 1978 and as recently as 1995.

Magneto_X
05-15-2007, 02:01 PM
I mean, Heroes for Hope was a fundraising comic with tons of celebrity guest writers writing a page or so. That barely counts.

If he wrote a single page that got executed by an artist he's written a comic. You don't have to have written twenty issues to be considered a comic writer.

He knows the basics.

And the Lawnmower Man story in Bizarre Adventures was an adaptation of a prose short story he'd written. Though GCD claims he did actually do work on the comic strip, so I guess it counts...

So what if it's an adaption of a story he wrote? If still in comic form and novel adaptions aren't easy.

Either way he's done *some* comic scriptwriting so he'll know how to execute a comic.

Lex
05-15-2007, 03:50 PM
The title of this thread confused me. I was in disbelief that Fox News would be reporting on anything remotely good and positive. It was as if reality itself was crumbling around me.

Then I read their article and saw how wrong they were about a lot of their facts. That's the Fox News I know and loath. :)

Magneto_X
05-15-2007, 04:25 PM
Except it adapts flashback material from books I and IV, written as early as 1978 and as recently as 1995.

That's true, but that's all they are. Flashbacks. He isn't redoing those scenes just in the mini-series. He's framing new material *around* said books events that deal with Roland's origin.

Paul McEnery
05-15-2007, 05:04 PM
What I'm surprised about is that the Omega project is going forward at all after all the kerfuffle.

Michael P
05-15-2007, 06:13 PM
The title of this thread confused me. I was in disbelief that Fox News would be reporting on anything remotely good and positive. It was as if reality itself was crumbling around me.

Then I read their article and saw how wrong they were about a lot of their facts. That's the Fox News I know and loath. :)

As I said earlier, this is actually an AP wire story that Fox News picked up and ran on their site.

Michael P
05-15-2007, 06:15 PM
That's true, but that's all they are. Flashbacks. He isn't redoing those scenes just in the mini-series. He's framing new material *around* said books events that deal with Roland's origin.

Nope, it's all stuff that's either in The Gunslinger or Wizard and Glass. If they do a second series, it might tell the yet-untold tale of the Battle of Jericho Hill, but as yet, there's no new material.

K'Nort
05-15-2007, 07:28 PM
It would be nice if they had said something about comics criticism and academics.

Well, not your kind of academics, but this was a news story last week:

A group of Maryland students have been reading comic books in the classroom—with the teacher's blessing. Since 2006, more than 500 third-graders have taken part in Comics in the Classroom, a pilot educational program that uses classic Disney comics to teach reading and writing skills. The program has been so successful that the Maryland State Department of Education is planning to dramatically expand the pilot's reach.

A collaborative effort among the MSDE, Disney Worldwide Publishing and Diamond Comics Distributors, Comics in the Classroom distributed 10 educational “tool kits”to eight schools in January 2006. Each tool kit included two Disney periodical comics and 10 lesson plans focusing on different reading and writing skills that culminate in a comic created by each student. Last week, MDSE announced plans to expand the program and send out another 200 tool kits.

John Yaged, v-p, U.S. publisher of Disney Worldwide, said the program began from discussions between MSDE and Disney's education department. The comics feature classic Disney characters Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy. The initial program involved 549 third-graders and ran from January to May 2006. All lesson plans were based on standards set out in the Maryland State reading and writing curriculum. “We got very positive feedback and suggestions on how to make it better,” Yaged said.

In a phone interview, Maryland State Superintendent of Schools Nancy S. Grasmick had high praise for the program, particularly its effect on boys, who are often reluctant readers. “Boys will often choose nontraditional reading materials like comics,” Grasmick said, “but we think the program benefits all levels of young readers.” Grasmick was also impressed with Disney/Hyperion's graphic novel program and said that a later phase of the program will include “a larger universe of schools” and add book format comics.

“It's really inspiring to see how comics can help kids learn,” said Yaged. “Words together with art can really spur the imagination, and kids end up learning without even thinking about it.”

Magneto_X
05-15-2007, 07:54 PM
Nope, it's all stuff that's either in The Gunslinger or Wizard and Glass. If they do a second series, it might tell the yet-untold tale of the Battle of Jericho Hill, but as yet, there's no new material.

Really? I heard it was all new stuff.

Interesting.

But why limit it to 6 six issues? This is 12 issues easy.

berk
05-15-2007, 09:23 PM
Personally, I think that Lethem's decision to go ahead with the Omega story displays exactly the contempt for the medium decried in the article. If some publisher had approached him to write a story using another novelist's ideas that they'd somehow gotten the rights to, would he have accepted over the other writer's objections? I have no way of knowing, but I suspect not. But just because this is comics, he seems to have no problem doing just that in the case of Omega.

Unless he's spoken to Gerber and Skrenes and straightened it out with them, in which case I'm out to lunch.

Paul McEnery
05-16-2007, 01:00 AM
Personally, I think that Lethem's decision to go ahead with the Omega story displays exactly the contempt for the medium decried in the article. If some publisher had approached him to write a story using another novelist's ideas that they'd somehow gotten the rights to, would he have accepted over the other writer's objections? I have no way of knowing, but I suspect not. But just because this is comics, he seems to have no problem doing just that in the case of Omega.

Unless he's spoken to Gerber and Skrenes and straightened it out with them, in which case I'm out to lunch.

I know they've talked and something got straightened out. And I know Jonathan was mortified when he realized his faux pas. But I got the impression that that killed the book. Apparently not. Or AP has its head up its ass.

But I think Jonathan could make an interesting stab at it, actually. So long as Steve and Mary (and Jim!) get their royalties and shit. (And Steven Grant, if they use his ending.)