Amadeus Cho: Best addition to Hulks supporting cast in 20 years?

[Brad Barton]

I'm loving Amadeus Cho. Pak is writing him as such an interesting, three-dimensional character I'm almost as eager to see what he does in IH as I am to see what Hulk does in WWH. The kid has a swagger and a snide sort of charisma that Pak just makes jump off the page, and I have a feeling that Amadeus in here to stay in the Marvel U...

The fact that this kid is eluding super-brains like Reed Richards and Tony Stark with their endless governmental resources with nothing more than a Vespa, a coyote pup and the strength of his intelligence is so cool it's bordering on modern classic. I can't wait to see the inevitable showdown/battle of wits between Cho and Reed, i think Paks gonna make it extremely memorable.

So whattya think? Cho- Best new supporting Hulk character since Rick Jones? I'm saying hell yes.

[Hrungr]

I completely agree, the kid's got brass and he's definitely one of my favorite additions to the Hulk's supporting cast. Though weirdly, he seems to bring out extremely polarized reactions from people. Personally, I just don't get some of the Cho hate I've seen on other boards, but there it is. :confused:

[trickster]

I like him. And I like the twists Greg Pak comes up with. Grape juice to counter the power inhibitor and allow Jen to change back? I felt all "ha ha, yeah!"

[Brad Barton]

I like him. And I like the twists Greg Pak comes up with. Grape juice to counter the power inhibitor and allow Jen to change back? I felt all "ha ha, yeah!"

I know, I thought that was cool too, but the ultimate for me was when he winked at the frickin satellite Richards was watching him from, I just thought, "man, that is too damn cool..."

I hope Cho doesn't come out of WWH looking like a shmuk, i think he could be a force to be reckoned with in the MU.

[steve2275]

The fact that this kid is eluding super-brains like Reed Richards and Tony Stark with their endless governmental resources with nothing more than a Vespa, a coyote pup and the strength of his intelligence is so cool it's bordering on modern classic. I can't wait to see the inevitable showdown/battle of wits between Cho and Reed,
theyre his bitchs :cool:
reed and tony i mean
not the cutely cool coyote

[dabig2]

Yeah, he's cool. He has that young, arrogant swagger to him that makes him very interesting. The story would be boring if he was just another timid know-it-all. His attitude and way of doing things is what makes him an interesting fellow to me (and so hated by some).

[Magneto Rocks]

I disagree, but then I always hate young snotty know-it-all sidekick plot device types.

[Ravenheart]

The character is okay but nothing I'd want to see long term.I'd rather have it revealed that he's really a reborn Leader.

[Jadeskies]

Do you mean to say that a super smart Asian is original and not at all racially stereotyping? The only thing likeable about him is that he has an anarchistic streak in him.

[jackolover]

I don't think Cho and Reed will have a showdown. It would spoil the tension to have Reed humiliate Cho or visa versa, because then you wouldn't know. And that's better than knowing whose the best.

[jackolover]

Do you mean to say that a super smart Asian is original and not at all racially stereotyping? The only thing likeable about him is that he has an anarchistic streak in him.

Talking about Cho's Asian descent, we really don't know his family, do we? I wonder if his family are dead? Everybody thought he was dead. Maybe they had this contingency plan for if Cho gets kidnapped. Maybe he's related to Jimmy Woo, or the Yellow Claw, or the Mandarin?

[xarathos]

HE seems like Rick Jones with brains. I don't know.

[CMBMOOL]

First good supporting charcter for the Hulk in a long time. :D


Truly can't wait to see how he makes it within World War Hulk. :o

[Brian Cronin]

Marlo Chandler was in 1987?

That's possible. I like her a lot better than Cho.

I also think the Pantheon were all better than Cho.

Beyond that, he's good. Best new Hulk supporting cast member in the past 10 years, I would say.

-Brian

[Omega Alpha]

I disagree, but then I always hate young snotty know-it-all sidekick plot device types.

You're not the only one.

[StoneGold]

Achilles was cooler.



And wuzzizname. You know, the gay one. Hector, I think.


Or for that matter, Hiroim, Korg, Miek, Brood, etc.

[Smokeyjay]

Do you mean to say that a super smart Asian is original and not at all racially stereotyping? The only thing likeable about him is that he has an anarchistic streak in him.

How many supersmart Asians are there in Marvel anyways? They all seem white to me.


Anyways, are people forgetting the warbound? I'm liking the warbound better than Cho, but I think Cho has potential.

[Kevinroc]

Cho is certainly an interesting character. I'm curious if his character arc moves in the direction I am expecting (that of realizing Hulk is not pure hero and is actually a dangerous individual). People couldn't wait to peg him as a "Mary-Sue" after his scant few appearances and have already condemned him as a horrible character.

Although I do like some of the Warbound much more than I like Cho.

[Syzygy]

I disagree, but then I always hate young snotty know-it-all sidekick plot device types.

Kind of like Wesley Crusher in STTNG?

Actually, I like them both myself, but you're not alone in hating the boy genius theme.

[StoneGold]

How many supersmart Asians are there in Marvel anyways? They all seem white to me.


Anyways, are people forgetting the warbound? I'm liking the warbound better than Cho, but I think Cho has potential.

Whiz Kid from the X-Terminators, that kid from the Big Hero Five, Dr. Sun (although he was mostly just a brain) and the Mandarin off the top of my head. Does Prof. Yinsen count?

[Monty_Cristo]

i forgot that kid from Big Hero Six (Hiro). can't wait for him and Amadeus to meet up. reality might implode.

[Brad Barton]

I dunno, in a way Cho's even cooler than the Warbound....the Warbound are, in a way, stereotypical Super-Hero-ish types (aside from Miek and Brood who are stereotypical 'bug alien' types). Now don't get me wrong I'm thoroughly enjoying all the stories featuring them, but none of them are anything we haven't seen before...

Now cho on the other hand, is just a kid. A smart kid, to be sure, but just a kid. And he's eluding capture by the ENTIRE U.S. government AND the Initiative.......on a scooter. I'm sorry that's just plain cool.

Plus, it looks as though he's singlehandedly amassing a Super-Hero force for Hulk upon his return as well, we know he's recruited Hercules and Angel, and it's a strong possibility he'll recruit Namor and Namora.......I mean, this kid, whose previous claim to fame was winning a smart kid contest, is now single-handedly building a super-hero resistance.....this kid has got some moxy.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Whiz Kid from the X-Terminators, that kid from the Big Hero Five, Dr. Sun (although he was mostly just a brain) and the Mandarin off the top of my head. Does Prof. Yinsen count?

But compared to Dr. Doom, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Leonard Samson (makes 'ray' devices that exchanges gamma radiation? thats freaking genius), Mad Thinker, the Wizard, Hank McCoy, George Tarleton, Fabian Stankowicz, etc? I think the posters point was, if ALL Asian characters were genius, THAT would be stereotyping. To have a few is pretty normal, I'd think. In all honesty, the largest ethnic group world wide would be "Asian" if we're classifying all Asian cultures together (I didn't begin that in this thread, I'm responding to it), then there should be more Asian geniuses, telepaths, teleporters, etc. than other races.

[Kefky]

I'm gonna have to agree with the stance that I find him interesting for now, but don't wanna see him around for the long run. Aside from the "smart-ass kids bother me" thing, he acts like he's always right, and better than everyone. He's like a "mini-Illuminati". Who the hell knows what's gonna happen to this kid when he grows up?

Also, Pak seems to be writing him as Mary Sue right now, which bothers me. I know that'll most likely change as the story rolls on, but right now, it bothers me. I want him to get a SERIOUS wake-up call during WWH. Then I'll decide whether I want him to stick around.

[jackolover]

Talking about Cho's Asian descent, we really don't know his family, do we? I wonder if his family are dead? Everybody thought he was dead. Maybe they had this contingency plan for if Cho gets kidnapped. Maybe he's related to Jimmy Woo, or the Yellow Claw, or the Mandarin?

Edit : I'd also like to imagine there was this hidden source of smart people and superheros in the Asian continent, whose source has never been tapped, but that people always knew they had to be there. That's why the Black opps company flushed out Cho - to expose one of the elite, and then take him out.

[StoneGold]

But compared to Dr. Doom, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Leonard Samson (makes 'ray' devices that exchanges gamma radiation? thats freaking genius), Mad Thinker, the Wizard, Hank McCoy, George Tarleton, Fabian Stankowicz, etc? I think the posters point was, if ALL Asian characters were genius, THAT would be stereotyping. To have a few is pretty normal, I'd think. In all honesty, the largest ethnic group world wide would be "Asian" if we're classifying all Asian cultures together (I didn't begin that in this thread, I'm responding to it), then there should be more Asian geniuses, telepaths, teleporters, etc. than other races.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I just took it as a challenge to think of some. Hell, one of the ones I thought of ain't much more than a brain in a jar.


But all Asian characters do know martial arts.

[Omega Alpha]

But all Asian characters do know martial arts.

And, if Japanese, are related to the Hand or samurais somehow.

[Brad Barton]

Uh, what about Jubilee...

I don't think she's super-smart, nor a member of the hand...and I'm pretty sure she doesn't know martial arts....she's basically just an asian mallrat...

So there goes that asian stereotype mahoosey

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Uh, what about Jubilee...

I don't think she's super-smart, nor a member of the hand...and I'm pretty sure she doesn't know martial arts....she's basically just an asian mallrat...

So there goes that asian stereotype mahoosey

I don't think anyone here is claiming that all Marvel asian characters are supersmart, because that is ridiculous and obviously untrue. I could list off a lot more average intelligence Asian characters than super intelligent ones with no problem. I guess that didn't stop the martial arts comments though, but hey, if we PRETEND there is a problem for no reason, then we have something to complain about.

[The Sentry]

I like Cho and I hope they keep him around.

[Omega Alpha]

I don't think anyone here is claiming that all Marvel asian characters are supersmart, because that is ridiculous and obviously untrue. I could list off a lot more average intelligence Asian characters than super intelligent ones with no problem. I guess that didn't stop the martial arts comments though, but hey, if we PRETEND there is a problem for no reason, then we have something to complain about.

One or another character, or even lots of those, not belonging or matching the stereotype doesn't mean the stereotype doesn't exist. And, in the case of the martial arts/ The Hand thing is definitively true, nearly all Japanese characters are connected directly or indirectly to the Hand or are martial artists.

[Smokeyjay]

My point was that in the Marvel universe, the majority of the super genious are white. Before Amadeus, I think the top ten smartest people in the world were white. So why isn't it stereotypical that in pretty much all media, white people are usually shown to be the greatest innovators and scientists? Are white people excluded from stereotypes?

Amadeus is the only Asian character I believe that is apparently suppose to be on the level of Stark, Reed, Pym, Parker (apparently that guy is smart), Banner in the Marvel universe and there all white so I don't think its fair to see the only Asian character who is a super genious and call it a sterotype.

If Amadeus was some martial artist, good at computers and math, genious, well-mannered, etc. then yah, I might call sterotype.

But so far he's only a genious, and being a genious is more of a universal quality anyways. If we see a black character who is athletic, we don't usually call sterotype.

So far Amadeus is just smart. And being smart isn't relegated to only one race just like being athletic shouldn't be. Amadeus so far doesn't follow other typical Asian sterotypes. He comes off more as a rebel rather than the typical well mannered Asian sterotype.


Off tangent, I find it kind of silly that Amadeus is relegated to #7 smartest person in the world, as if there is some way to quantify intelligence into some ranking. He doesn't have any strong showings I think yet.

And I like the warbound over Cho right now more for the comrady (is that a word). Not any particular individual character. Moreso for the fact that there characters that would never get along but through circumstances were pulled together and gone through many hardships. And now there like there own Marvel team.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

One or another character, or even lots of those, not belonging or matching the stereotype doesn't mean the stereotype doesn't exist. And, in the case of the martial arts/ The Hand thing is definitively true, nearly all Japanese characters are connected directly or indirectly to the Hand or are martial artists.

Fitting a stereotype doesn't make one a stereotype. REAL PEOPLE engage in stereotypical behavior all the time in reality, doesn't make them less real or deep, it doesn't undo all the things about them that DON'T fit into stereotypes. The stereotype in Marvel comics DOESN'T exist, as a crime or insensitivity that Marvel is guilty of. It exists in the real world, yes, but the existence of a SINGLE super smart Asian character being muttered in the same breath as the word stereotype is ridiculous to me. The natural conclusion of such thinking would be the removal of all races other than the majority in comics as for fear of offending stereotypes. Amadeus ISN'T a stereotype, the stereotypical Asian American teenager born in the southwest isn't a Vespa-driving, mop top-sporting, coyote-befriending super genius, and that is a fact. He DOESN'T have the offensive accent/ingorance of Western culture/Eastern cultural garb/martial arts knowledge or skill of stereotypes that I see in movies ALL THE TIME. I just see it as complaining about a problem that doesn't exist in Marvel comics, a "super smart Asian" stereotype hasn't been seen or supported, and that is a good thing. There are fortunately a LOT of stereotypes that have either missed or been removed from comics.

[StoneGold]

Uh, what about Jubilee...

I don't think she's super-smart, nor a member of the hand...and I'm pretty sure she doesn't know martial arts....she's basically just an asian mallrat...

So there goes that asian stereotype mahoosey

I'm pretty sure Logan taught her some. In any case, it's a false thing, because damn near everyone in the MU has some martial arts training. I'm pretty sure Willie Lumpkin has "Willie Lumpkin was trained in hand-to-hand combat by Captain America" somewhere in his OHOTMU reference.




Everyone has Cap training. He should open a chain of studios in strip malls.

[StoneGold]

Fitting a stereotype doesn't make one a stereotype. REAL PEOPLE engage in stereotypical behavior all the time in reality, doesn't make them less real or deep, it doesn't undo all the things about them that DON'T fit into stereotypes. The stereotype in Marvel comics DOESN'T exist, as a crime or insensitivity that Marvel is guilty of. It exists in the real world, yes, but the existence of a SINGLE super smart Asian character being muttered in the same breath as the word stereotype is ridiculous to me. The natural conclusion of such thinking would be the removal of all races other than the majority in comics as for fear of offending stereotypes. Amadeus ISN'T a stereotype, the stereotypical Asian American teenager born in the southwest isn't a Vespa-driving, mop top-sporting, coyote-befriending super genius, and that is a fact. He DOESN'T have the offensive accent/ingorance of Western culture/Eastern cultural garb/martial arts knowledge or skill of stereotypes that I see in movies ALL THE TIME. I just see it as complaining about a problem that doesn't exist in Marvel comics, a "super smart Asian" stereotype hasn't been seen or supported, and that is a good thing. There are fortunately a LOT of stereotypes that have either missed or been removed from comics.
What if Cho looked like this?

http://www.hotpocketsdojo.com/downloads/wallpaper_master/master_800.jpg

[Brad Barton]

That old asian dude looks like the blind-samurai master from MadTV

Hey, I wonder if he'll get his own Marvel Monthly Mini? I bet he'd a member of the Hand in it, and would undoubtedly get his ass whooped by Maya Lopez...

[Omega Alpha]

Fitting a stereotype doesn't make one a stereotype. REAL PEOPLE engage in stereotypical behavior all the time in reality, doesn't make them less real or deep, it doesn't undo all the things about them that DON'T fit into stereotypes. The stereotype in Marvel comics DOESN'T exist, as a crime or insensitivity that Marvel is guilty of. It exists in the real world, yes, but the existence of a SINGLE super smart Asian character being muttered in the same breath as the word stereotype is ridiculous to me. The natural conclusion of such thinking would be the removal of all races other than the majority in comics as for fear of offending stereotypes. Amadeus ISN'T a stereotype, the stereotypical Asian American teenager born in the southwest isn't a Vespa-driving, mop top-sporting, coyote-befriending super genius, and that is a fact. He DOESN'T have the offensive accent/ingorance of Western culture/Eastern cultural garb/martial arts knowledge or skill of stereotypes that I see in movies ALL THE TIME. I just see it as complaining about a problem that doesn't exist in Marvel comics, a "super smart Asian" stereotype hasn't been seen or supported, and that is a good thing. There are fortunately a LOT of stereotypes that have either missed or been removed from comics.

I haven't said Amadeus Cho is a stereotype, which he isn't. He's just a non-stereotyped boring character.

[Monty_Cristo]

yeah, Amadeus isn't a stereotype. he's one of those ubiquitous tv cliches. he's that kid from the Goonies.