Do you want Speed, Wiccan, Nocturne to meet the rest of their family?

[jmc247]

Would that make for an interesting comic?

I believe a full family reunion might be quite interesting.

[The Foreigner]

Would that make for an interesting comic?

I believe a full family reunion might be quite interesting.

I'd like to see any comic featuring these characters, at this point.

[drwho]

I think wanda would implode the marvel universe if that ever happened.

[TheORKINMan]

I'd like to see any comic featuring these characters, at this point.

Nocturne is in New Excaliber atm. Although she's a brain damaged retard thanks to the idiot writer. That's what I read comics for, to watch strokes frame by frame :|

[Big Red Spider]

Is Wiccan father dead? or would it be Wonderman?

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Is Wiccan father dead? or would it be Wonderman?

Wiccan's father is Mr. Kaplan, his spiritual father, as the reincarnation of William Maximoff, would be the Vision. It was the Vision and Wanda's love that shaped and changed the lost souls that were somehow owned by Mephisto. It wasn't Simon who sired them at all.

[XPac]

I'm assuming that Speed and Wiccan will deal with their mother issues when Young Avengers restarts... so I'm DEFINATELY waiting for this story to happen.

Nocturne would of course be interesting too. But alternate reality children don't pack the same level of drama for me.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

One thing to mention, and I'm not sure, but regarding the future of Nocturne...

I was sure I read somewhere that she was going back to Exiles and leaving the 616 Marvel timeline and New Excalibur. I could be wrong though.

[Captain Mobra]

Is Wiccan father dead? or would it be Wonderman?He wishes. :p

[XPac]

Wiccan's father is Mr. Kaplan, his spiritual father, as the reincarnation of William Maximoff, would be the Vision. It was the Vision and Wanda's love that shaped and changed the lost souls that were somehow owned by Mephisto. It wasn't Simon who sired them at all.

I wonder if the current Vision actually counts as their father. From what I understand he's got Ironlad's brain pattern and armor. Not a whole lot of the old vision in there. Wonderman almost has more claim to being the father than the current vision is someways.

[Captain Mobra]

That's about what I was going to metion.

Vision's a robot based on someone else's brainwaves and basically dead. Wanda didn't birth these kids.

It's as close to "alternate dimension parents" as it can get without totally divulging from 616 reality.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Well, Wonder Man and new Vision are BOTH not the old Vision. I hardly see how Wonder Man is "more their father," but that being said, the current Vision isn't their dad. He's more like their unlce, or brother, depending on whether or not the new Vision is looked at as old Vision's son or brother. Although he has brain patterns based on young Kang's, the current Vision has a great deal in common with the original, as the armor has completely duplicated the original's design, according to Tony Stark in the Young Avengers title, either issue 7 or 8. He's at least related to Old Vision, and I see it more like a parent/child than sibling connection, with half of the YA Vision coming from his predecessor and the other half coming from Kang and his armor, like a child having half of each paren't genetic material.

Anywho, at this stage the connection between Billy and Tommy and Wanda and Vision's kids hasn't been laid out explicitly, and I'm curious to see if Heinberg does come back where he'll go with it.

[rwe1138]

One thing to mention, and I'm not sure, but regarding the future of Nocturne...

I was sure I read somewhere that she was going back to Exiles and leaving the 616 Marvel timeline and New Excalibur. I could be wrong though.

No, you're right. Claremont's gonna have a Exiles/New Excaliber crossover soon.

[Babylon23]

I'll settle for any book where Wanda isn't crazy for no logical reason. Uniting the Maximoff clan could make for interesting reading, but I don't want to see crazy Wanda ever again.

I'm assuming at some point we'll get the X-Factor (Quicksilver), YA (Speed, Wiccan), Exiles (Nocturne), Avengera (Wanda) crossover. Maybe with Uncanny thrown in so Nightcrawler can be there as well.

[Babylon23]

I'll settle for any book where Wanda isn't crazy for no logical reason. Uniting the Maximoff clan could make for interesting reading, but I don't want to see crazy Wanda ever again.

I'm assuming at some point we'll get the X-Factor (Quicksilver), YA (Speed, Wiccan), Exiles (Nocturne), Avengers (Wanda) crossover. Maybe with Uncanny thrown in so Nightcrawler can be there as well.

[Captain Mobra]

Well, Wonder Man and new Vision are BOTH not the old Vision. I hardly see how Wonder Man is "more their father," but that being said, the current Vision isn't their dad. He's more like their unlce, or brother, depending on whether or not the new Vision is looked at as old Vision's son or brother. Although he has brain patterns based on young Kang's, the current Vision has a great deal in common with the original, as the armor has completely duplicated the original's design, according to Tony Stark in the Young Avengers title, either issue 7 or 8. He's at least related to Old Vision, and I see it more like a parent/child than sibling connection, with half of the YA Vision coming from his predecessor and the other half coming from Kang and his armor, like a child having half of each paren't genetic material.

Anywho, at this stage the connection between Billy and Tommy and Wanda and Vision's kids hasn't been laid out explicitly, and I'm curious to see if Heinberg does come back where he'll go with it.So.

Current Vision is the son of Vision and Kang, which makes him the half brother of Billy and Tommy. Sounds like a bad Jerry Springer to me.

[mushroom2703]

I'm confused. I don't know how you could see the new vision as the son of the original and Kang. The new vision is based upon young kang's characteristics and the original vision's hardware. He's not the son of either. I'd term him as a synthezoid who's thought patterns etc are based on young kang ( but with the ability to learn and evolve emotionally nito his own being) but whose functions and abilities are derived from the vision ( but capable of much more). Sure he's connected to them, but i wouldn't say that means he's the son of them.

[Jack]

If you go with one origin, then Ultron created Vision from the body of the original Human Torch. "Vision Lad" was created similarly from Kang's armour, and both versions of Vision share the software created by Ultron.

So, following the original Vision's relationships, Ultron is still his father and Iron Lad is his brother, as that was how Wonder Man and Vision treated each other. This Vision is then also the brother of the original by virtue of a shared father.

So, his family tree should be something like...

Father: Ultron
Mother: Kang Armour
Brothers: Vision (original), Iron Lad, Victor (Runaways)

And then you get into the stuff like the Pyms and Jocasta and so on and so forth.

So, uhh, he's Wiccan and Speed's uncle. Assuming they really are who they seem to be.

[Tommy]

If you go with one origin, then Ultron created Vision from the body of the original Human Torch. "Vision Lad" was created similarly from Kang's armour, and both versions of Vision share the software created by Ultron.

So, following the original Vision's relationships, Ultron is still his father and Iron Lad is his brother, as that was how Wonder Man and Vision treated each other. This Vision is then also the brother of the original by virtue of a shared father.

So, his family tree should be something like...

Father: Ultron
Mother: Kang Armour
Brothers: Vision (original), Iron Lad, Victor (Runaways)

And then you get into the stuff like the Pyms and Jocasta and so on and so forth.

So, uhh, he's Wiccan and Speed's uncle. Assuming they really are who they seem to be.

Through a series of marriage and robot making they are related to the entire Inhuman royal family, Kang (he built the current Vision), The Richards (since Kang is the ancestor of Nathanial Richards), the Summers (do to a wacky cross time marriage between Rachel Grey and Franklin Richards), proving that everyone in the Marvel Universe is related to everyone else.

[Jack]

Through a series of marriage and robot making they are related to the entire Inhuman royal family, Kang (he built the current Vision), The Richards (since Kang is the ancestor of Nathanial Richards), the Summers (do to a wacky cross time marriage between Rachel Grey and Franklin Richards), proving that everyone in the Marvel Universe is related to everyone else.
Actually, there was a time when it was becoming hinted that Nathaniel Richards and Cable were the same person at different points in their life.

[Tommy]

Actually, there was a time when it was becoming hinted that Nathaniel Richards and Cable were the same person at different points in their life.

I am also certain that there are several ways you can tie the VonDooms in, but none of them were certified as "This is the truth."

[Big Red Spider]

Grandpa Magneto and Great-Grampa Hank Pym and Auntie Polaris. It's kinda convoluted.

[jmc247]

Grandpa Magneto and Great-Grampa Hank Pym and Auntie Polaris. It's kinda convoluted.

About as convoluted as a Summers family reunion.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

I'm confused. I don't know how you could see the new vision as the son of the original and Kang. The new vision is based upon young kang's characteristics and the original vision's hardware. He's not the son of either. I'd term him as a synthezoid who's thought patterns etc are based on young kang ( but with the ability to learn and evolve emotionally nito his own being) but whose functions and abilities are derived from the vision ( but capable of much more). Sure he's connected to them, but i wouldn't say that means he's the son of them.

Vision and Wonder Man, as well as Vision and Wonder Man's brother Eric and the original Human Torch were all refered to as brothers. Its a comicbook, and Vision always called Ultron his dad, and Ultron called Hank Pym his. He has a son in the Runaways Victor Mancha. Its something that has been present in Marvel comics for a long time, and makes sense given the relationships of past incarnations of the Vision.


If you go with one origin, then Ultron created Vision from the body of the original Human Torch. "Vision Lad" was created similarly from Kang's armour, and both versions of Vision share the software created by Ultron.

So, following the original Vision's relationships, Ultron is still his father and Iron Lad is his brother, as that was how Wonder Man and Vision treated each other. This Vision is then also the brother of the original by virtue of a shared father.

So, his family tree should be something like...

Father: Ultron
Mother: Kang Armour
Brothers: Vision (original), Iron Lad, Victor (Runaways)

And then you get into the stuff like the Pyms and Jocasta and so on and so forth.

So, uhh, he's Wiccan and Speed's uncle. Assuming they really are who they seem to be.

I see and understand what you mean, but I disagree. The Vision and the Human Torch "brothers," shared identical physiology, made from the same materials, but then tweaked by Ultron from Professor Horton's designs. However, the current Vision is composed of materials of unknown origin, with capabilities and construction that mirror Vision's but also have untold additional potential (all we've seen is morphing and time warp generation). To me, that is a significantly different relationship, and seeing as the idea of identical beings brothers, I saw the next generation of the Vision as just that, his offspring. I can see your opinion though, and it makes perfect sense as well, because its just silly comic book talk, with synthezoid geneology.

[Jack]

About as convoluted as a Summers family reunion.
Well, if Polaris were ever to marry Havok...

[jmc247]

Well, if Polaris were ever to marry Havok...

Now that would be one massive family tree.

[Captain Mobra]

What we fail to realize initially is that Hulking is also the legitimate son of Captain Marvel. Which also relates him to Genis and Phyla. If Phyla ever got "married" or whatever to Moondragon, then Drax would be Hulking's second uncle or something like that.

Yeah, I know that's a bit out there, but whatever.

[Tommy]

Well I tried to work on this as fast as I could. Here is (as near as I can tell) the genealogy of Speed and Wiccan…
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1808/image1xb6.jpg

Black lines are sons, daughters, clones and robots
Purple lines are marriages
Turquoise lines are brothers and sisters
Blue lines are gay relationships
Green lines are adoptions

[samhalliwell]

I'd love to see a reunion, but DAMN that genealogy's confusing :o :confused:

[RonnieThunderbolts]

I'd made one that more directly related to Wiccan and Speed.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o243/RonnieThunderbolts/FamilyTree.jpg

[TimGunn]

i'd love to see any continuation of that story line. also who is hyperstorm?

[Expletive Deleted]

Franklin and Rachel's alternate future son, a cosmic supervillain with a goofy costume.

Hyperstorm (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/hyperstormearth967.htm)

[Tommy]

also who is hyperstorm?
He is the son of Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers in an alternate future. Basically he was sort of a rip off of Kang. He is from WAY back in 1995...

[Captain Mobra]

Tommy your list is missing a few.

Would anyone be interested in making some sort of committee to trying to make a complete family tree? I bet it would get pretty interesting.

[Big Red Spider]

So now that Ultron's a woman is he the mother instead of the father?