George Lucas dares to have an opinion about Spider-Man 3

[Mr. Ifix'em]

That idiot said this about Spiderman 3

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,10221,21711078-10388,00.html?from=public_rss

Spiderman 3 smack Star Wars III by a mile!

I always hated those stupid SW fanboys and their stupid lightsabers. They don't have any taste. :mad:

[Michael P]

Now, I like Star Wars.

But for Lucas to complain about Spidey having "very little story" isn't just the pot calling the kettle black. It's the pot getting drunk, peeing on the kettle's car, calling its mother a whore, and then telling the judge it did it because the kettle is black.

[Captain Murphy]

Star wars IV, V and VI (better if those damn ewoks were not in it) kicked arse, probably the best trilogy ever. But he is a fool for slamming a movie when the new Wars sucks balls. Big sweaty balls.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Star Wars is good, I like Star Wars. The Empire Strikes back is one of my favorite movie.

But George Lucas really shouldn't critize Spider-man 3 for having "too little story". Not after "Revenge of the Sith".

[Michael P]

Star Wars is good, I like Star Wars. The Empire Strikes back is one of my favorite movie.

But George Lucas really shouldn't critize Spider-man 3 for having "too little story". Not after "Revenge of the Sith".

Heck, Sith actually had the most story of the prequels.

Let's talk about "The Phantom Menace," George...

[dingo]

George lives in a glass house.

He has just thrown a very large stone.

Hilarity ensues.

[Keehar]

LOL! Next we'll have Uwe Boll criticizing this movie, too :D

[Red Lotus]

Star Wars is good, I like Star Wars. The Empire Strikes back is one of my favorite movie.

But George Lucas really shouldn't critize Spider-man 3 for having "too little story". Not after "Revenge of the Sith".

Empire Strikes back was by far the best Star Wars movie but the odd thing is George Lucas had some one else come in and do the screenplay and he also wasn't the Director for that one.

[Jmacq1]

I wouldn't be entirely sure that Lucas wasn't just joking around. He's kind of a weird guy like that.

Or he was only awake for the "Dark Peter" segments....

[Taskmaster]

Meh, they both sucked, Spider-Fans are becoming almost as bad as Star Wars fans, and both of the recent films of each francise have turned me off both. I don't even buy any comics with Spidey in them at this point other than New Avengers

[666andahalf]

That idiot said this about Spiderman 3

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,10221,21711078-10388,00.html?from=public_rss


WTF Lucas!! Why the hell is he parading around like a movie critic when he couldn't even make Episode I worthy of the "Star Wars" title?! I like star wars a lot but damn, this just pisses me off! Was he even paying attention to the movie?! What was so silly about it? Was it the fact that there was no "mysterious force that binds the universe together"? Or that it just made a lot more money than many of his movies?!
:mad: :confused:

[Magneto Rocks]

Meh. RotS was the best of the new trilogy and was worthy of the legacy. TPM and AotC did indeed suck though.

I still think RotS is better than Spidey 3, but Spidey 3 is among the best comic book movies ever made. Can't we all just get along?

[Shyft]

Meh. RotS was the best of the new trilogy and was worthy of the legacy. TPM and AotC did indeed suck though.

I still think RotS is better than Spidey 3, but Spidey 3 is among the best comic book movies ever made. Can't we all just get along?

No we bloody well cant!

[davydude]

He's just cranky about SM3 taking ahead of Revenge of The Sith.
It's obviously gonna kick it's ass at the box-office.

[Mr. Ifix'em]

Meh, they both sucked, Spider-Fans are becoming almost as bad as Star Wars fans, and both of the recent films of each francise have turned me off both. I don't even buy any comics with Spidey in them at this point other than New Avengers

Then you obviously don't belong here, right?

I've never seen spiderman fans dress up in stupid gear and wave around plastic color tubes.

[Lord_Archive]

Sounds like Lucas is vying for the director's position for Spider-man 4-6.

[Beast]

It's adorable how angry people have been with critics or anyone who said they didn't like Spider-Man 3.

I happen to agree with him. Compared to Spider-Man 1 and 2, it was horribly silly by comparison.

You can tell that Sam Raimi was foced to use Gwen and Venom from how little he utilized both of them.

[Shyft]

It's adorable how angry people have been with critics or anyone who said they didn't like Spider-Man 3.

I happen to agree with him. Compared to Spider-Man 1 and 2, it was horribly silly by comparison.

You can tell that Sam Raimi was foced to use Gwen and Venom from how little he utilized both of them.

i think its more the fact that his own recent films had such poor storytelling that galls me. Spiderman 3 wasnt perfect by any means, but i think it was better than Phantom Menace.

[GrimTheLost]

it was better than Phantom Menace.

Amen to that! I am an avid fan of both Spider-Man and Star Wars, but the last 3 Star Wars movies lacked in a lot of areas as did the recent Spider-Man movie.

[Beast]

i think its more the fact that his own recent films had such poor storytelling that galls me. Spiderman 3 wasnt perfect by any means, but i think it was better than Phantom Menace.
I took that as his odd sense of humor. He's always saying stuff like this and it gets misenterpreted. Not to mention he's the guy who lets Family Guy make jokes about Star Wars without having a pissy fit. Regardless, who cares. You liked the movie, he thought it was silly. Not something to scream and flail about like the poster who started this thread is doing. By the way, I don't agree. Loved Phantom Menace. :)

[Siddon]

oh oh oh I can make a list

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Spider-man II
3. Spider-man
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Star Wars
6. Spider-man III
7. Return of the Jedi
8. Attack of the Clones
9. Phantom Menance

[Spidey-kid1]

WTF Lucas!! Why the hell is he parading around like a movie critic when he couldn't even make Episode I worthy of the "Star Wars" title?! I like star wars a lot but damn, this just pisses me off! Was he even paying attention to the movie?! What was so silly about it? Was it the fact that there was no "mysterious force that binds the universe together"? Or that it just made a lot more money than many of his movies?!
:mad: :confused:

He's pissed off because Venom didn't go up to Spiderman and say "Peter, I am your FATHER!!!". Its obvious.

[Shyft]

I don't agree. Loved Phantom Menace. :)

And yet you found Spiderman 3 silly? Wow, if anything convinces me of different strokes for different folks, its that.

[Beast]

And yet you found Spiderman 3 silly? Wow, if anything convinces me of different strokes for different folks, its that.
In comparison to Spider-Man 1 and 2, damn straight I did.

[Spidey-kid1]

In comparison to Spider-Man 1 and 2, damn straight I did.

Spiderman 1 was the best for me. Spiderman 3 tied with number 2. To each his own I guess though. I actually find myself using that phrase alot for some reason.

[Slam_Bradley]

On the one hand I wonder why I (or anyone) should care what George Lucas has to say about Spider-man 3.


On the other hand, I'm astounded that any rational person could get their undies in a bunch about what George Lucas has to say about anything.

[Will.S]

On the one hand I wonder why I (or anyone) should care what George Lucas has to say about Spider-man 3.


On the other hand, I'm astounded that any rational person could get their undies in a bunch about what George Lucas has to say about anything.
My thoughts exactly.

[Beast]

On the one hand I wonder why I (or anyone) should care what George Lucas has to say about Spider-man 3.


On the other hand, I'm astounded that any rational person could get their undies in a bunch about what George Lucas has to say about anything.
Exactly. He has the right to his opinion as much as anyone.

So what if he finds it silly, does that somehow make you liking it null and void?

[Mr. Ifix'em]

On the one hand I wonder why I (or anyone) should care what George Lucas has to say about Spider-man 3.


On the other hand, I'm astounded that any rational person could get their undies in a bunch about what George Lucas has to say about anything.

despite our hatred for Lucas, we have to remenber he is an icon sorta speak. many people are influence by lucas.

i think it's ironic thought. a clown like lucas gets so much admiration and yet all his movies still stink.

[Slam_Bradley]

despite our hatred for Lucas, we have to remenber he is an icon sorta speak. many people are influence by lucas.

I have no idea what this has to do with anything. Who cares if anyone is influenced by him?

i think it's ironic thought. a clown like lucas gets so much admiration and yet all his movies still stink.

Nope. American Graffiti is an outstanding movie by any standard.

[nuclearman]

George is entitled to his opinion... he has received criticism for his films ... just returning the favor... I enjoyed all the Star Wars films as I have the Spidey films... I don't agree with him that Spidey 3 was silly .. just as he probably doesn't agree with me that the romance scenes in Attack of the Clones were laughable!!

[zeroEDGE]

Lol I liked what the caption said under his picture.

[CMBMOOL]

Now I thought Star War #3 and 6 were okay, but they were also the only ones I saw fully.

But come Lucas, even you a great director can see the brillant writing within the Spider-man series. :(

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Revenge of the Sith was probably the worst, that or clones

But they were certainly tighter movies than Spiderman 3. But spidey 3 wasnt silly.


Phantom Menace is underrated.

[BaconRobotChampion]

Now I thought Star War #3 and 6 were okay, but they were also the only ones I saw fully.

But come Lucas, even you a great director can see the brillant writing within the Spider-man series. :(

unfortunatley that statement can not be applied to the third one i have to side with lucas it was way too silly compared to the other two which can actually be considered good movies

[Den]

I'm very glad Hack of the Clones gave his viewpoint on this.

really.

:rolleyes:

[Beast]

I'm very glad Hack of the Clones gave his viewpoint on this.

really.

:rolleyes:
Given he was asked... it's not like it was an unscolicited opinion. Sorry someone's opinion personally bothers you.

[nuclearman]

Phantom Menace is underrated.

... yeah I'd agree with that... although many wouldn't..

[gravling]

Lucas is a twat who - let's face it - screwed the original Star wars trilogy over with the crappy, sub-standard prequels (Jar Jar Binks, anyone?)

And besides Star wars, what else has the guy done?

Raimi, on the other hand. . . . . . . .

[666andahalf]

He's pissed off because Venom didn't go up to Spiderman and say "Peter, I am your FATHER!!!". Its obvious.

Lulz!

Lucas, you will not be forgiven... unless you make a light saber fighting game for Wii!!!! :D

[Beast]

Lucas is a twat who - let's face it - screwed the original Star wars trilogy over with the crappy, sub-standard prequels (Jar Jar Binks, anyone?)

And besides Star wars, what else has the guy done?

Raimi, on the other hand. . . . . . . .
It's cute when people are calling people names over just not liking a movie.

As for your questions... lesse.. directed, wrote, and/or executive produced....

THX-1138.
American Graffeti.
Indiana Jones Trilogy.
Willow.
Labyrinth.

Should I go on? Or should I just not apply logic to your argument.

[BeastieRunner]

THX-1138.


Great movie!

[Siddon]

It's cute when people are calling people names over just not liking a movie.

As for your questions... lesse.. directed, wrote, and/or executive produced....

THX-1138.
American Graffeti.
Indiana Jones Trilogy.
Willow.
Labyrinth.

Should I go on? Or should I just not apply logic to your argument.

Thats a pretty crappy list, I mean anytime anyone has to play the Labyrinth card.

George Lucas is a joke, the fact that he was allowed on the same stage as Coppala and Spielberg for Marty's oscar was a shame and a travesty. I actually think it would have been so much better if it had been Eastwood, Costner, Beatty, Gibson and Redford.

[Beast]

Great movie!
Fantastic movie. I'd love to see a modern remake of that one.

[Den]

Given he was asked... it's not like it was an unscolicited opinion. Sorry someone's opinion personally bothers you.

No need to apologize, seeing as I'm not personally bothered anyway. I do think there is a kettle/pot thing going on with Lucas' statement, but mostly I was just looking to make a cheap pun ;)

[asloveislost]

:eek: 2 more action star wars movies!!!!!
omgzzzzz!!!

thats awesome.

well it is kinda true, there wasn't too much story in spiderman 3.
but then there wasn't much point to the phantom menace either :confused:
why oh why they decided to make jar jar a character is always going to be beyond my comprehension.

[projectnrm]

Well George Lucas does have some right to criticize because his first Star Wars trilogy is clearly better than Raimi's first Spider-Man trilogy.

On that note, however, if Spidey 4 thru 6 don't turn out to be better than SW Episodes 1 thru 3, I'll wear a Jar Jar Binks t-shirt to an NAACP meeting.

[the Hornet]

That idiot said this about Spiderman 3

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,10221,21711078-10388,00.html?from=public_rss

Spiderman 3 smack Star Wars III by a mile!

I always hated those stupid SW fanboys and their stupid lightsabers. They don't have any taste. :mad:

I like SW and love Spidey......don't judge too fast buddy. But the yes, Spidey 3 was better than SW prequels.

[Shyft]

Thats a pretty crappy list, I mean anytime anyone has to play the Labyrinth card.

George Lucas is a joke, the fact that he was allowed on the same stage as Coppala and Spielberg for Marty's oscar was a shame and a travesty. I actually think it would have been so much better if it had been Eastwood, Costner, Beatty, Gibson and Redford.

hey Labyrinth was awesome. and please explain how any list that includes the Indiana Jones triology can be crappy?

And you think Costner should have been on the stage instead of Lucas? Well, i guess with instant classics like The Postman and Rumour Has it under his belt, he really deserves it....

[Jeff F]

I enjoy this thread.

I don't know that any of us have done anything approaching the scale of what Lucas or Raimi have done.

Lucas made a bunch of bad movies.

Raimi made one.

None of that makes what Lucas said inaccurate.

[Billy Parker]

http://members.aol.com/doomscribe/Hrdoom.gif
http://www.mables.com/halloween/products/darth-vader-costume.jpg

This from the guy who stole Stan and Jack's Dr. Doom design to create Darth Vader. What a tool.

[darkhawk76]

hey lay off Lucas, he gave us Howard The Duck :p

one guy's opinion doesn't bother me at all, infact he's absolutely right that S-M is silly in parts

but Ewoks, Jar Jar Binks and rubbish romantic scenes in AOTC kinda make his comments mega-ironic

[scottv]

I actually thought atleast out of the three new movies Episode III was the best. I don't think that Spidey 3 was the best of the Spider-Man movies and I didn't think that it had a very strong story line either.

[Badfish40oz]

The best parts of the new Star Wars trilogy were the parts that reminded you of the . . orginal Star Wars trilogy. On their own, they suck. All of them. Lucas has no right to criticize anyone unless he's comparing Spidey to the original Star Wars, in which case its hard to say . . well its hard to say anything is better than the original Star Wars trilogy.

[Toku King]

Lucas is an idiot. "Spider-Man 3" was WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY better than his new trilogy, and the first two Spiderman films were better than his original trilogy.
"Star Wars" is good, but "Spider-Man" will always be better.

[saintsaucey]

this last movie was crap ... sorry

[Venom]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even George Lucas. But what hacked me off was him saying that Spider-Man 3 has no story and for that I've lost a little bit of respect for him. He's just jealous that The Spider-Man trilogy did better than his new Star Wars trilogy and is just lashing out some of his suppressed anger. The original Star Wars trilogy was great. But the new trilogy was utter bullocks and completely unnecessary.

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270874,00.html


Lucas told me he has seen all the summer movies since his company, Industrial Light and Magic, does most of the special effects. The only one they didn't work on was "Spider-Man 3." What did he think of it?

Actually, I kind of figured Lucas was just annoyed that Spiderman 3, the only film ILM didn't do special effects for, made a whole truckload of money and opened with better figures than his recent movies. The original Star Wars trilogy is a silly set of movies with not much story to them, whatever Lucas thinks. I happen to enjoy the first Star Wars trilogy and the Spiderman trilogy and put them on roughly equal terms as far as the terms of genre film go. The central hero is a whiny young guy who is self-absorbed and battles enemies with high-tech gear. Just because Lucas has read Joseph Campbell and cribbed from Kurosawa doesn't make him a "better" film-maker than Raimi, and it doesn't make Raimi worse, either.

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

Given how much fun the cartoon Clone Wars was I don't know why Lucas needs to make another set of films about it. He keeps saying he's done and then back-pedals to make more stuff. Whatever happened to dropping blockbusters and just working on little indie-type films like he said he'd do decades ago?

[Black Atom]

Any talent that George Lucas might've possessed left him long, long ago, unfortunately. Not only did he make 3 new sub-par Star Wars movies, but he went back and crapped up the original good ones.

I agree with Phantom Menace being underrated though. It actually has the best narrative of the three.

[Mr. Ifix'em]

George Lucas is all aobut money. he doesn't have the love he once had for his franchise. with that said....his opinion is indeed worthless, just some of you said earlier.

[kmeyers]

Without George Lucas and his achievements, the special effects for the Spidey(or any) movies wouldn't be anywhere near the level it is today.

[Kid Omega]

What the hell?

[Michael P]

What the hell?

Just got imported from the Spidey board.

[kmeyers]

What the hell?

Is that directed towards me, or the thread in general?

[BlairH]

I always hated those stupid SW fanboys and their stupid lightsabers. They don't have any taste. :mad:

Dude, me and my best friends are all Star Wars fanboys.

Don't criticise us, or we shall be "forced" to choke you.

http://file020b.bebo.com/8/large/2007/03/22/17/11330704a3904875414b467251194l.jpg

(my best friend Niall, brandishing my Master Replicas Force FX lightsaber)

[Agent Helix]

Just got imported from the Spidey board.

Why in God's name was it imported HERE?

[Ghost]

That idiot said this about Spiderman 3

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,10221,21711078-10388,00.html?from=public_rss

Spiderman 3 smack Star Wars III by a mile!

I always hated those stupid SW fanboys and their stupid lightsabers. They don't have any taste. :mad:

Okay, seriously. So what?

Now, don't get me wrong. While I admit I haven't seen Spiderman 3, I did love the first two movies, so I guess the third probably isn't all bad either...

...but if a man who has worked with film for most of his life, the man who created the Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies -movies I worship like gods! Yes, even the prequal trilogy!- I'm going to assume he may have a certain point. Especially since I've heard people who aren't GL complain about the plot of that movie too.

Seriously, he can't state his opinion on a movie like bloody everybody else just because allot of his fans didn't like the prequel trilogy? This is madness!

[Paul McEnery]

Why in God's name was it imported HERE?

Give us something to chew on till the next abortion thread comes up?

[DonC]

I've never seen spiderman fans dress up in stupid gear and wave around plastic color tubes.


And I've never seen a fat man paint himself red and blue, then attend a convention completely naked.

Oh, wait.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Don3172/spidey.jpg


So George Lucas didn't like a movie that you liked? Big deal. If your life is so small that this matters to you then you have bigger problems.

[Kid Omega]

Is that directed towards me, or the thread in general?

The thread in general.

It confuses and frightens me.

[Valmore]

I took that as his odd sense of humor. He's always saying stuff like this and it gets misenterpreted. Not to mention he's the guy who lets Family Guy make jokes about Star Wars without having a pissy fit. Regardless, who cares. You liked the movie, he thought it was silly. Not something to scream and flail about like the poster who started this thread is doing. By the way, I don't agree. Loved Phantom Menace. :)

While they're not my favorite Star Wars films, I liked all three prequels just fine. People are a little too harsh on the prequels. I mean, really, what were you expecting? The three movies were a lead-up to turning Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader. It's not like you could expect to be surprised or anything.

I haven't heard many good things about Spider-Man 3 yet. Word-of-mouth may have just bumped it from using a gift card from work to see it down to paying a $1 at the second-run theater. Save the gift cards for Pirates III and Bourne III.

[howyadoin]

While they're not my favorite Star Wars films, I liked all three prequels just fine. People are a little too harsh on the prequels. I mean, really, what were you expecting?A plot? Good acting?

[Valmore]

A plot? Good acting?

Ewan did a great job as Obi-Wan in all three films.

[Tom]

My pop culture phenomenon can beat up your pop culture phenomenon.

[kmeyers]

My pop culture phenomenon can beat up your pop culture phenomenon.

If I like both equally should I just go ahead and kick my own ass?

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

What was I expecting? Oh, something on the order that episodes 1-3 would NEVER GET MADE because of things Lucas had been saying for almost a decade. That's why I'm harsh on them.

When I consider that the talent pool that used to work for Lucas apparently included people who eventually built the DCAU and Pixar I think Lucas had become a spent creative force by Return of the Jedi. He had his contribution to pop culture and he should have left well enough alone. If Raimi makes more Spiderman films I'm afraid they're going to suck as mightily as Episodes 1-3. Spidey 3 seems as decent a way to end the franchise as Episode 6.

[Sean Whitmore]

Why in God's name was it imported HERE?

Happy Mother's Day, suckers.


SEAN

[Magneto_X]

Now, I like Star Wars.

But for Lucas to complain about Spidey having "very little story" isn't just the pot calling the kettle black. It's the pot getting drunk, peeing on the kettle's car, calling its mother a whore, and then telling the judge it did it because the kettle is black.

I agree with this man.

Unlike the prequels* the Spider trilogy does a good job of making quality movies that also work as romance (another aspect Lucas failed at) that everybody loved.

I'm glad we have the EU. The novels are comics do better stuff then Lucas himself. He sure isn't doing any great things with the property.

* which were brainless enjoyable blockbuster fluff at best (re: Sith) to mediocre (re: Clones) to downright awful (re:Phantom Menace) Lucas has no credibility to insult the Spiderman franchise. He's probably jealous it's doing extrenmely well and the critics like it more then his prequels

[Chris N]

A plot? Good acting?

There's a plot.

As the galactic republic approaches a turning point in its hist-- Ooh, look kids! ! pod race!

[Sean Whitmore]

There's a plot.

And social commentary, too. Asians are evil, and blacks are good for cannon fodder.


SEAN

[Erebus]

So he doesn't like the film. As if its going to effect us in any major way. Its his opinion, no matter how bad it is.

[kmeyers]

So he doesn't like the film. As if its going to effect us in any major way. Its his opinion, no matter how bad it is.

I thought for sure that this meant the sun was crashing into the earth tomorrow.

WHEW!

[Kid Omega]

I find it a little weird that on a forum filled with people giving their (often strong and rage-filled) opinions every day, George Lucas giving his is anything to get worked up about.

At least he's a film-maker and student of film (hacky as he may be of late) giving his very justified opinion, rather than NAMORITAFAN34 the unemployed guy saying "All-Star Superman is too weird and Quitely suxxors!"

Or whatever.

[kmeyers]

I find it a little weird that on a forum filled with people giving their (often strong and rage-filled) opinions every day, George Lucas giving his is anything to get worked up about.

At least he's a film-maker and student of film (hacky as he may be of late) giving his very justified opinion, rather than NAMORITAFAN34 the unemployed guy saying "All-Star Superman is too weird and Quitely suxxors!"

Or whatever.

Totally agree. There is a lot of room for George Lucas criticism.

But guess what? He's done a lot of incredible things too. I'd much rather hear his opinion (which I kind of happen to agree with on S3) over some internet guy Captain Stupid's raging blog-tastathon.

[Adam C]

While they're not my favorite Star Wars films, I liked all three prequels just fine. People are a little too harsh on the prequels. I mean, really, what were you expecting? The three movies were a lead-up to turning Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader. It's not like you could expect to be surprised or anything.

Yeah, but did they have to be so frickin' awful?

[Buried Alien]

Yeah, but did they have to be so frickin' awful?

They weren't that awful. They were more or less the same as the first three movies, except with more advanced special effects.

Which was my only major misgiving going into the STAR WARS prequels. I remember watching the first five minutes of THE PHANTOM MENACE and thinking, "special effects in general have really caught up with STAR WARS during the past seventeen years." In light of all that had appeared in film and even television since RETURN OF THE JEDI was released in 1983, the SFX didn't really impress me the way I thought a STAR WARS movie always should.

I changed my mind after seeing the lightsabers, though. Nothing really new there (except the duels were much better choreographed than they had been during the 1970s and 1980s), but it was really good seeing lightsabers in action again.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Buried Alien]

On a related tangent, if it didn't quite make sense to place this thread on the Spidey Forum, then it makes even *less* sense to place in the Community Forum.

This is about movies, correct? Well, then let's move it down to Conn's neighborhood.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[the goddamn batman]

The bottom line is that neither film(s) lived up to the expectaions we had for them.

Was Spiderman 3 silly? Yeah, it really was. Were the Star Wars prequels silly? Yeah, they really were.

Is George crazy for trying to knock Spiderman 3? No. He's crazy for lots of other things.;)

[Chris N]

Man, this thread gets around

[Sean Whitmore]

Man, this thread gets around

It's like the bastard child nobody really wants to take to a baseball game.


SEAN

[Thorlief]

Lucas is right, the movie sucks

[Valmore]

I thought for sure that this meant the sun was crashing into the earth tomorrow.

WHEW!

No, that's the plot of the next Spider-Man movie, after Kingpin farts and knocks Vulture into the sun and knocks it out of the sky!

[ChrisIII]

Critically, Episode III did better than Spider-man 3....

However in the eyes of the fans and detractors apparentally there's been a backlash and it's just as bad as the other prequels.

[ChrisIII]

BTW It's George's birthday today as well :)

[Slam_Bradley]

And social commentary, too. Asians are evil, and blacks are good for cannon fodder.


SEAN


These are universal truths that should have been learned years ago from reading pulp magazines.

[Conn Seanery]

On a related tangent, if it didn't quite make sense to place this thread on the Spidey Forum, then it makes even *less* sense to place in the Community Forum.

This is about movies, correct? Well, then let's move it down to Conn's neighborhood.[/COLOR]
And thank you for that. The next time I get a "Britney Spears says Blink 182 sucks, everyone please crap their pants in reply!" thread, I can't wait to send it your way.

[GRANT!]

And thank you for that. The next time I get a "Britney Spears says Blink 182 sucks, everyone please crap their pants in reply!" thread, I can't wait to send it your way.

Why not just lock the thread? Is there anything more to be said on this other then George Lucas sucks, Spidey 3 sucks or they both suck?

[Conn Seanery]

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,10221,21711078-10388,00.html?from=public_rss

The best thing about that column is that the majority of it has nothing to do with George's comments about Spider-Man 3, despite the fact that its title would imply that it does. They might as well have titled it "Big tits! Okay, now that I have your attention..."

[GRANT!]

Critically, Episode III did better than Spider-man 3....

However in the eyes of the fans and detractors apparentally there's been a backlash and it's just as bad as the other prequels.

Spider-man 3 was following two critically successful movies and Revenge of the Sith was following two critically panned movies. Expectations were high for one and low for the other. Objectively I say Revenge of the Sith is a better movie then the prequels and Spider-man 3 is worse then the first Spider-man movies. I think they are both about the same in terms of quality. There's cool stuff and cringe worthy stuff in both and a whole lot of missed oppurtunities.

[kel25]

So Lucas didn't like it, big deal because I am not such a fanboy of Lucas that I can not have a different opinion than him. I enjoyed Spier-Man 3 and could careless if he didn't like it. Although, I have to admit, I am curious if he honestly didn't like it or the success of the series?

I know a lot of people despise Sony now only beacuase they had a very strong lead over the video game industry for about a decade. While other people dislike shows just because they are popular, even though they have never seen them.

[kalorama]

Don't see what the uproar is about. Lucas isn't allowed to have or express an opinion? Of course he is. And his opinion on Spider-Man 3 has no bearing on whether his own movies are any good.

For the record I agree with him. It is a silly movie with no story. Which isn't really the problem (because I've enjoyed plenty of silly movies with no story). It's a silly movie with no story that's too dense and not nearly enough fun.

[Black Atom]

Don't see what the uproar is about. Lucas isn't allowed to have or express an opinion? Of course he is. And his opinion on Spider-Man 3 has no bearing on whether his own movies are any good.

For the record I agree with him. It is a silly movie with no story. Which isn't really the problem (because I've enjoyed plenty of silly movies with no story). It's a silly movie with no story that's too dense and not nearly enough fun.

I'm not sure I understand the criticism "no story".

[GRANT!]

I'm not sure I understand the criticism "no story".

If anything it had too much story. There was like 10 different plotlines.

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm not sure I understand the criticism "no story".

It means people didn't like the story, but for whatever reason they can't just say that, so they try to dismiss it as having no story.


SEAN

[kalorama]

It means people didn't like the story, but for whatever reason they can't just say that, so they try to dismiss it as having no story.

Actually, that would appear to be how you, for whatever reason, rationalize your dismissal of the criticism.

What it means is, that while a lot of stuff happened, there was no coherency to the events that would constitute a real narrative structure.

[Sean Whitmore]

What it means is, that while a lot of stuff happened, there was no coherency to the events that would constitute a real narrative structure.

Except there was, so I dunno what to tell you.


SEAN

[kalorama]

Except there was, so I dunno what to tell you.

You needn't tell me anything. Except, possibly, to note that you understand that the above constitutes only your opinion and not a statement of fact. (And I don't really need even to hear that, since I understand it to be true regardless.)

As for my opinion that the film had no story, it is one shared by a number of reviewers who critiqued the film.

[Sean Whitmore]

Except, possibly, to note that you understand that the above constitutes only your opinion and not a statement of fact.

I don't quite see where the existence or non-existence of a story falls under the domain of opinion. Whether or not you like it does, but that's about it.


SEAN

[Slam_Bradley]

I don't quite see where the existence or non-existence of a story falls under the domain of opinion. Whether or not you like it does, but that's about it.




The existence or non-existence of a story certainly seems objective to me.

[Black Atom]

I guess I understand the idea when it's spelled out, but the criticism that a movie had "no story" seems like a tenuous or lazy way of saying that the narrative was muddled or unclear or full of ancillary elements.

A story generally includes an introduction, conflict, climax, and resolution. Most movies, even terrible ones, meet most of those requirements. One can certainly empirically judge whether or not a movie has a story. Showgirls has a story; Jackass 2 does not.

[Sean Whitmore]

I guess I understand the idea when it's spelled out, but the criticism that a movie had "no story" seems like a tenuous or lazy way of saying that the narrative was muddled or unclear or full of ancillary elements.

I just find it lazy when there are actual movies that critique could be legitimately leveled against. Those straight-to-video piece of crap comedies and horror movies that you see on the Blockbuster shelves. Uwe Bolle movies.

I didn't like Batman Forever, but I can't deny it had a coherent story. Just one I didn't like.


SEAN

[Valmore]

The existence or non-existence of a story certainly seems objective to me.

Pretty much - no story means no movie. Hence, Star Wars had to have a story, otherwise the film wouldn't exist. Simple logic, really.

Now whether or not the story is good or coherent... that's debatable.

[Sean Whitmore]

Now whether or not the story is good or coherent... that's debatable.

"Good" is absolutely debatable. "Coherent" can be also, but not when it's being used as a synonym for "good".

Even diehard fans of the first Superman movie can tell you that it isn't coherent. The scenes on Krypton, in Smallville, and in Metropolis feel like they belong in three different movies. And people love it.


SEAN