Terminator Salvation

[ChrisIII]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964592.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Apparentally instead of the "Terminator goes back in time" movies, this one will actually deal with the war. No Arnold apparentally though, and no word on Stahl or Danes. I suppose we could still see Loken or even Robert Patrick return, though, considering there's presumabely more than one of them (Although Patrick has aged somewhat, he hasn't as much as Arnold)


Plus there's the Sarah Conner show coming soon....

[Captain Trips]

I actually liked T3, but I wish they would have still had Edward Furlong play John Conner. Other than that, the movie bettered my expectations (which weren't that high) with how it handled the story.

It's good to know that they are finally going to focus on the war with the machines in the future. How many times can the machines travel back in time with upgraded Terminators? Especially since Reese explains in the first movie that Skynet was destroyed and the humans had won, but the machines were able to send a Terminator back before Skynet blew. If that was the case, where do all these new Terminators keep coming from?

Anyway, this could be interesting.

[acagle7]

I won't be seeing this. For me, there are and will always be only two Terminator films.

[hoffmandu]

Let it die people, the 3rd was a stretch and half.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Whoever approved the 3rd one should get raw stinky eggs tossed at them for destroying what T2 was. There will always be 2 Terminator films. The rest is just some stupid guys getting togethor and pissing on the franchise's grave.

[Jared]

Ideally, a Future War movie could end with Skynet's defeat and Reese being sent back in time, thus creating a nice story loop. But Michael Biehn has aged too much for that.

[Black Atom]

The "Terminator" franchsie should be added to the community thread on things that should die.

[SnowTrooper]

A Terminator movie about the war in the future is still better than having Vin Diesel as the replacement Arnold.

[Lord Darkwolf]

I won't be seeing this. For me, there are and will always be only two Terminator films.



2 movies and the S.M steriling trilogy for me .... At least that timeline made sense .

[DDM]

Terminator was a good concept in 1984 when it came out. However, like other worn-out franchises such as Jaws, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Terminator has worn out its welcome.

[JerrBear81]

If it's better than the crap-fest that T3 was, then I'll go see it. I hated T3. Especially since John Conner wasn't assassinated *before* they beat Skynet *and* he was obviously alive as he was the one who sent Reese back in time.

[Scorpion13]

Terminator was a good concept in 1984 when it came out. However, like other worn-out franchises such as Jaws, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Terminator has worn out its welcome.

Comparing Terminator to Nightmare or Friday the 13th is faulty. They made 2 sequels. Do you actually think that compares to, what are we up to, like 13 damn sequels for Friday? And 2 thirds of the Terminator series were fucking fantastic, none of the Friday movies rose above the level of mediocrity, and thats including the original. And sweet lord, just about every other Jaws movie but the original was out and out shit.

The thing with the Terminator was that the first 2 told a story so well that making more just ruins the story told by the first 2.

Its the same with the Aliens trilogy.

[Magneto_X]

Strangely I liked T3.

I look forward to this new trilogy. Always wanted to see the war between mankind and the machines. And hopefully it won't suck like in Matrix Revolutions.

[JerrBear81]

Comparing Terminator to Nightmare or Friday the 13th is faulty. They made 2 sequels. Do you actually think that compares to, what are we up to, like 13 damn sequels for Friday? And 2 thirds of the Terminator series were fucking fantastic, none of the Friday movies rose above the level of mediocrity, and thats including the original. And sweet lord, just about every other Jaws movie but the original was out and out shit.

The thing with the Terminator was that the first 2 told a story so well that making more just ruins the story told by the first 2.

Its the same with the Aliens trilogy.

At least Alien Resurrection was funny. The only way to make T3 funny is to MST3K it :D

[Magneto_X]

If it's better than the crap-fest that T3 was, then I'll go see it. I hated T3. Especially since John Conner wasn't assassinated *before* they beat Skynet *and* he was obviously alive as he was the one who sent Reese back in time.

The original timeline was changed in both 1 and 2.

After all, Judgement Day *was* delayed until T3. In the original timeline it was supposed to happen in T2.

[Scorpion13]

At least Alien Resurrection was funny. The only way to make T3 funny is to MST3K it :D

You know, I liked Ressurection. Its a pretty decent story, but it needed someone to give it a definite style like Scott or Cameron.

If Ridley Scott did AR, you can bet it would have been one of the best of the series.

My personal hope is that one day Cronenberg will do a Alien film.

[Nate Grey]

Alien 3 and 4 are odd. 4 is, in a nutshell, an apology for part 3. Its that first and foremost, and an actual sequel second. Its enjoyable as is, but 3, IMO, will always be the weaker of the too.

I'm just now learning that both suffered from an amazing amount of studio interference. Fincher has more or less disowned part 3, not even doing commentaries. Whedon said they used his script verbatim, but did everything wrong. Like, if I had to use an analogy, singing a song using every lyric, but still being off key or flat. I wish he had enough clout at the time to direct it himself.

So, basically, I think 4 works in spite of itself and manages to be fun to boot, and 3 is just so depressing I never want to see it again. Any truth to Michael Biehn sueing and winning against the studio for using his likeness in the movie to kill off his character in part 3?

But to the thread at hand...if my info is wrong PLEASE correct me, but didn't Linda Hamilton win the rights to the Terminator in her divorce settlement from James Cameron, and then in turn sold them?

As for part 4...*shrugs* I'll see it whenever it comes out. I doubt it'll top part 2 in any shape or form, but I'll be a fun ride at least.

[DDM]

Comparing Terminator to Nightmare or Friday the 13th is faulty. They made 2 sequels. Do you actually think that compares to, what are we up to, like 13 damn sequels for Friday? And 2 thirds of the Terminator series were fucking fantastic, none of the Friday movies rose above the level of mediocrity, and thats including the original. And sweet lord, just about every other Jaws movie but the original was out and out shit.

The thing with the Terminator was that the first 2 told a story so well that making more just ruins the story told by the first 2.

Its the same with the Aliens trilogy.

Terminator became a franchise with #3. Like most movie franchises, it lost much of its bite due to time & wearing out the concept. So, yes, you can compare Terminator to Jaws, Friday the 13th, Halloween...

I just don't take Terminator seriously anymore.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964592.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Apparentally instead of the "Terminator goes back in time" movies, this one will actually deal with the war. ....YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scorpion13]

Terminator became a franchise with #3. Like most movie franchises, it lost much of its bite due to time & wearing out the concept. So, yes, you can compare Terminator to Jaws, Friday the 13th, Halloween...

I just don't take Terminator seriously anymore.

Nooo, it lost its bite because the last movie was only average when compared to the stellar second one. Time has nothing to do with it.

Id like to know just how society has changed enough to make The Terminator irrelevent. Im curious.

[Tazirai]

Terminator ended at number 2, with James Cameron at the helm.. to me at least.

[IamtheRock3]

I actually liked T3, but I wish they would have still had Edward Furlong play John Conner. Other than that, the movie bettered my expectations (which weren't that high) with how it handled the story.

It's good to know that they are finally going to focus on the war with the machines in the future. How many times can the machines travel back in time with upgraded Terminators? Especially since Reese explains in the first movie that Skynet was destroyed and the humans had won, but the machines were able to send a Terminator back before Skynet blew. If that was the case, where do all these new Terminators keep coming from?

Anyway, this could be interesting.

you know for some reason that Question never dawn on me

and its a GOOD question

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

you know for some reason that Question never dawn on me

and its a GOOD questionwell obviously the future kept getting altered due to the fact that the terminators altered the past by interfering with the continuity of the time line.so thats why skynet can keep sending back terminators cause the cause of their destruction might differ for each rebooted time line..

[blackdragon6]

well obviously the future kept getting altered due to the fact that the terminators altered the past by interfering with the continuity of the time line.so thats why skynet can keep sending back terminators cause the cause of their destruction might differ for each rebooted time line..*head explodes in cartoonish fashion* :eek:

[IamtheRock3]

now you know why Janeway hates time travel


So each altered time line the terminator still get destroyed. After the human die a LOT

both disators seem like it cant be prevented, just rewritten


least now due to T3

[blackdragon6]

both disators seem like it cant be prevented,
its not impossible but appears to be improbable.

[IamtheRock3]

seem possible in t2 :)

Another glitch is in t3, the terminator did kill a lot of conner Allies who suspose to help him

[blackdragon6]

seem possible in t2 :)
obviously not the apocalyptic future still happened

Another glitch is in t3, the terminator did kill a lot of conner Allies who suspose to help himthats not really a glitch that was the termanatrix second priority.and that was to kill his lieutenants if they couldn't find conner.thus supporting tish's theory in a brainbuster type way.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

thats not really a glitch that was the termanatrix second priority.and that was to kill his lieutenants if they couldn't find conner.thus supporting tish's theory in a brainbuster type way.Ahh....Nirvana :D i thought that the terminator films pretty much said the future is unavoidable.its a constant struggle thats been put on a loop.in other words the humans and machines are doomed to repeat this over and over again.its not impossible to break the cycle but like it was said earlier its improbable apparently like 1 in a million.but hey maybe the resistance will get lucky.

[IamtheRock3]

well I said according to 2 before cause orginaly that was it

NEVER happen

There is NO FATE BUT WHAT YOU MAKE

Type thing, you could defy fate

but T3 changed that

[Nate Grey]

What I got from T3: the human/machine war was like the lightbulb: it was bound to happen either sooner or later, no matter what anyone did. All T2 did was offset it by 10 years. Thing is, I'm not sure if that offset helped or hindered the design of the T-800 (or was the Arnie Terminator in T3 called the T-850?), cause having two batteries that generate the concussive force of a mini NUKE when ruptured, well, seems like a design flaw to me. And the previous T-800s didn't have those or else in part 1 that thing would have blew up when compacted or in 2 blew up either in the grinder or getting dipped in the lava. So, yeah, I'd personally lean toward hinder.

This offset also generated the changes mentioned by the T-850, such as Brewster being the real leader after John was killed, stuff like that. So really there's no telling what we'll get for part 4 if its about the war, since what we heard mentioned in the previous films got changed cause of time travel.

[ImpulseUCF]

My biggest complaint with T3 was that it thematically took a big, hot steaming dump on Cameron's T1 and T2. The underlying morality of human self-determination and "no fate but what we make" was undermined with a half-assed "you're screwed." That along with the lifeless, shallow plot made for a mediocre showing at best.

[blackdragon6]

The underlying morality of human self-determination and "no fate but what we make" was undermined with a half-assed "you're screwed." well actually T2 undermined that idea.if your theory was correct then there was no need for a part two to begin with.now go rap yall's brains around that clusterfuck of a theory :D lol

[blackdragon6]

What I got from T3: the human/machine war was like the lightbulb: it was bound to happen either sooner or later, .exactamundo

[IamtheRock3]

well actually T2 undermined that idea.if your theory was correct then there was no need for a part two to begin with.now go rap yall's brains around that clusterfuck of a theory :D lol

Naaa not really part 1 was a simple save the girl story at its core, with a time pardox that confusing even to this day.

t2 just was taking the charcter 10 years later and seeing what they do with the future knowledge.

[blackdragon6]

with a time pardox that confusing even to this day.
.which rolled over to the other sequels

[ImpulseUCF]

well actually T2 undermined that idea.if your theory was correct then there was no need for a part two to begin with.now go rap yall's brains around that clusterfuck of a theory :D lolNot really. T2 was the same basic idea, but they basically said 'Oh, Skynet actually sent two terminators back right before it was shut down, not one.' Not the strongest theory, but acceptable. When it was a done a third time by a sub-par director and for a sub-par story, well, that's when it really lost the core of what it was.

It's not entirely unbelievable that Skynet would have sent as many Terminators back as it could before it was zapped. T2 still left the self-determination angle open. T3 did not. It dumped on the entire concept and morality of the series, and is much more enjoyable if you mentally remove it from the Terminator timeline. :)

[Jeff-E]

Personally I really liked T3, but I'm a different type of movie goer. I'm pretty good about just seeing the good in some movie's and not over analyzing them. Were there some holes between the theories of the 3... yeah, but the whole time paradox of the first is just out there. Anyway, T4 with focus on the war IMO would be awesome! You don't need a intracate plot, its a war movie about Machines and humans, just flashy special FX and decent actors. I'll be there to see it.

[ImpulseUCF]

I mean, it wasn't terrible, but it was just all right. Like I said, if you put T3 in a vaccuum and pretend there was no T1 or T2, it's decently fun. As part of the mythos, though, it's a huge letdown.

[Jared]

My biggest complaint with T3 was that it thematically took a big, hot steaming dump on Cameron's T1 and T2. The underlying morality of human self-determination and "no fate but what we make" was undermined with a half-assed "you're screwed."

Bear in mind, that Cameron himself left it open as to whether or not the war would still happen. He shot an ending with had an elderly Sarah chilling in the playground in the future, but decided not to include it. Besides, if the war is truly averted, then we're left with an even bigger paradox than we already had.

[ImpulseUCF]

The difference is that Cameron left it open. T3 removed the ambiguity and made it one way. It blew away the themes and morality of the series, and it's not necessarily a paradox. Divergent timelines and all that.

[Nate Grey]

Well I personally took John Connor not blinking out of existance right after the T-800 melted itself in part 2 as proof enough the war would still happen. Plus the T-800's arm left in that gear. Maybe it took man ten years to figure out the technology from that mangled robotic arm.

[Mike Pothier]

Its kinda hard to keep the ambiguity of whether or not the war is coming when the freaking title of the movie includes RISE OF THE MACHINES. At that point, the concept controlling your fate gets kicked in the nuts.

[GRANT!]

If it features a small rag tag band of humans fighting an army of robot skeletons count me in.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

In hindsight, I actually prefer T3 to T2.

T2 always felt like Cameron neutered it to make it more kiddy-friendly.
At least T3 restored the grim future with its (great!) ending

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

In hindsight, I actually prefer T3 to T2.

T2 always felt like Cameron neutered it to make it more kiddy-friendly.
At least T3 restored the grim future with its (great!) endingagrees,i loved the ominous ending of T3.

[Magneto_X]

agrees,i loved the ominous ending of T3.

Same here.

It's one of the best finales I've seen in a movie.

if the trilogy is of the same quality as Rise of the Machines I'll be happy.

[DWEarhart]

I wonder if Nick Stahl looks at Bruce Willis and only sees the man who ripped his genitalia from his body?

Oh yea. Uh, Stahl has an option on T4.

[Magneto_X]

I hope they bring Stahl back.

He was great in Rise of the Machines.

Actually, I can't remember a performance of his I didn't like.

[Nate Grey]

I wonder if Nick Stahl looks at Bruce Willis and only sees the man who ripped his genitalia from his body?

Oh yea. Uh, Stahl has an option on T4.

Just like Bana had an option for Hulk 2, so...doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[hugh45]

What I got from T3: the human/machine war was like the lightbulb: it was bound to happen either sooner or later, no matter what anyone did. All T2 did was offset it by 10 years. Thing is, I'm not sure if that offset helped or hindered the design of the T-800 (or was the Arnie Terminator in T3 called the T-850?), cause having two batteries that generate the concussive force of a mini NUKE when ruptured, well, seems like a design flaw to me. And the previous T-800s didn't have those or else in part 1 that thing would have blew up when compacted or in 2 blew up either in the grinder or getting dipped in the lava. So, yeah, I'd personally lean toward hinder.

This offset also generated the changes mentioned by the T-850, such as Brewster being the real leader after John was killed, stuff like that. So really there's no telling what we'll get for part 4 if its about the war, since what we heard mentioned in the previous films got changed cause of time travel.

All you guys bring up some good pt.s, I hope the writers will think through
this carefully and come up with some good explanations.

[Lord of Denial]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34867

Believe it or not?

[Renzo]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34867

Believe it or not?

Well, you shouldn't considering your screen name. Since when is there going to be another Terminator? I thought the new tv series was the end of this stuff.

[metalhead_dave743]

Well it's not the first time Bale has played a leader of a rag tag human group in a post apocalypse world. Shouldn't be too new to him, just replace Dragons with Robots.

[Pól Rua]

Balls.
I read that as John CARTER.
:(

[GRANT!]

Balls.
I read that as John CARTER.
:(

Now that would be awesome.

Still apparently Pixar has the rights so most likely it will be awesome Bale or no Bale.

[Pól Rua]

Now that would be awesome.

Still apparently Pixar has the rights to that so most likely that will be awesome Bale or no Bale.

This makes me happy.

[GRANT!]

I never saw the third Terminator and probably won't see this one. I heard another rumour Bale is playing the Terminator and John Connor plays a minor role in the movie.

But then again a movie with Bale fighting evil robots would be pretty cool.

[The Xenos]

ACK! Who the hell gave the reigns of Terminator over to McG? And how can we find this person and dump them into molten lead?

[Jettison]

Wait, isn't McG the guy who made the Charlie's Angels movies?

Why does Bale keep getting cast as everything? I like the guy's work....but damn....

I would love to see a Terminator film about future John.....but I can't say I'm hyped about this film at this point in time.

[GRANT!]

Wait, isn't McG the guy who made the Charlie's Angels movies?

Yup.

Why does Bale keep getting cast as everything? I like the guy's work....but damn....

If that were true he'd be in Justice League :(

I would love to see a Terminator film about future John.....but I can't say I'm hyped about this film at this point in time.

I don't know. If it looks cool I'll go see it. If the movie ends up being Bale fighting an army of robots that could be hard to pass up.

[metalhead_dave743]

Wait, isn't McG the guy who made the Charlie's Angels movies?


Yeah but he's also part of the kickass TV show Supernatural so T4 could go either way.

[Rattlehead]

Even if Christian Bale was in this movie, I don't care anymore. Terminator 3 was a complete train-wreck, and was proof that the franchise has run it's course. The promos for the new TV show look really, really cheesy as well. James Cameron wrapped the whole thing up nicely with T2 as far as I'm concerned. Just stop it, before the classic T1 and T2 wind up getting devalued by all of this nonsense.

[I'm the boss]

omg thats awesome! Bale as Connor

[DWEarhart]

According to CHUD, Bale is cast as John Connor, but it's only a supporting role. He'll already be a legend by the time the story takes place. Apparently this is so the next installment can have a high profile name to go with it and not requiring Bale to commit full-time to the project, for whatever reason that is.

Take that for what it's worth.

Personally, the further time Bale spends away from McG the better.

[blackdragon6]

apparently Christian Bale is conner

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=39503

[The Zapper]

Bale eh? Well, I'll have to keep my out on this one. It could turn out to be a good movie.

[The Zapper]

Supporting role or not, just the fact that he's in it makes it more interesting to me.

[Jared]

I always thought it'd be interesting to see the great victory over Skynet, and end with Kyle being sent back in time. But Michael Biehn is way too old to reprise his role, and recasting just wouldn't seem right, given that the character would have to be the same age when he leaves as when we see him in The Terminator.

[Lord of Denial]

So it appears that Terminator Salvation The Future Begins will not be about John Conner but he will play a supporting roles and the new movie will focus on a new character to the series named Marcus.

This seems a bit odd as we have not seem the heroic leader of the resistance story of how he went from boy on the run to savior of humanity.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Please stop... please . The last film was a turd . Your ruining the awesome T1 and T2 movies by making this travesty continue. I can see the next one on basic cable...


TERMINATOR 5# : THROW THE T-1000 FROM A TRAIN !

TERMINATOR 6# : THERES SOMETHING ABOUT A TERMINATOR .

[Toku King]

I'll give it a shot, since I did like T3. I just don't want anymore time travelling Terminators.

[saintsaucey]

When Rise first came out I heard a rumor that Norton would be playing Connor. They changed their mind and while Stahl was fantastic I would have loved to see Norton do the role. But now they are giving me growling batman wtf no thank you. that said i will see it cause im a movie whore

[Angelus II]

I thinking this is a hoax. I just did a movie yahoo search and got this

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/search?p=Terminator+4

If there really is a Terminator 4 it should be on the movie yahoo page...it isn't.

But if you want more Terminator, check out Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles {FOX Monday night @9:00}. The show fall between T2 and T3. Two episodes already aired.

[The Shelf]

Yeah, T4's such a hoax. Wait, no it isn't...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/

[metalhead_dave743]

Please stop... please . The last film was a turd . Your ruining the awesome T1 and T2 movies by making this travesty continue. I can see the next one on basic cable...


TERMINATOR 5# : THROW THE T-1000 FROM A TRAIN !

TERMINATOR 6# : THERES SOMETHING ABOUT A TERMINATOR .

TERMINATOR 7# TERMINATORS ON A PLANE!

[Angelus II]

Yeah, T4's such a hoax. Wait, no it isn't...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/

Don't you know that imdb.com isn't already on target. Plus,it say that Christian Bale is rumored to be playing the role of John Connor.

Did you miss the keyword: Rumor

I searched Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins at movies yahoo.
And got this.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/search?p=Terminator+Salvation%3A+The+Future+Begins +

The movie isn't genuine. If it was it would've been on every movie site. It isn't. Another thing, a new Terminator TV show just come out. I doubt that they are going to release a TV show and movie close to the same time. The TV show came out 2008, and this movie suppose to be coming out 2009. I'm not buying it.

[The Shelf]

Wouldn't it be wise for promotion's sake to release a TV series and movie close together? But I'm not saying the movie will come out in '09, just that it's being made. I could be wrong, of course, but I've been hearing about T4 for some time now, so I doubt it's a hoax.

And just because some actor is rumored to be in a movie, it doesn't mean the movie is a rumor.

[Jay D. Author]

Hmmm. So if there were a Terminator 4 made do you guys think it would discard Terminator three (as the Sarah Conner chronicles seem to be doing thus far ... though with the way the show seems to be set up I could be off) and just take the Star Wars "In a galaxy far, far away ..." approach to say x amount of years after the events of Terminator two this happened, this happened,this happened annnnddd now it's time for T-4. Still hard to picture a Terminator movie without Arnold's 56 Chevy caprice sturdy model around, but, hey change happens.:)

[Lord of Denial]

Hmmm. So if there were a Terminator 4 made do you guys think it would discard Terminator three (as the Sarah Conner chronicles seem to be doing thus far ... though with the way the show seems to be set up I could be off) and just take the Star Wars "In a galaxy far, far away ..." approach to say x amount of years after the events of Terminator two this happened, this happened,this happened annnnddd now it's time for T-4. Still hard to picture a Terminator movie without Arnold's 56 Chevy caprice sturdy model around, but, hey change happens.:)

From what I have read I think T4 is supposed to be directly in line with T1, T2, and T3.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

TERMINATOR 7# TERMINATORS ON A PLANE!

Arnold doing Samuel L Jackson: "Who ...put...all...these....Mother...f-ckin..g....snakes on....this plane ? Haste le vista....snakes."

[Shellhead]

You know, I liked Ressurection. Its a pretty decent story, but it needed someone to give it a definite style like Scott or Cameron.

If Ridley Scott did AR, you can bet it would have been one of the best of the series.

My personal hope is that one day Cronenberg will do a Alien film.

Cronenberg on Alien 5 would be amazing.

I didn't get around to seeing Alien: Resurrection until a few years ago, sometime after Firefly got cancelled. I didn't realize that Joss Whedon wrote the script, until I got this strong vibe while watching that the smugglers reminded me a lot of the crew of the Firefly. By the time I checked the credits, I wasn't surprised to see Whedon's name. I thought it was an okay movie, much better than the third one, but nowhere near as good as the first two.

[Khan Zor-El]

G4 announced that Christian Bale will be playing John Connor in May 2009's new Terminator: Salvation movie. JAMES CAMERON SHOULD DIRECT AND PRODUCE THIS MOVIE!!!

[StoneGold]

JAMES CAMRON SHOULD DIRECT AND PRODUCE THIS MOVIE!!!

But what about James Cameron?

Except he won't. McG is. So the odds of it being good are slim. Although I did like Chuck.



All in all, I have a feeling I'll like the series better. Especially if the rumors are true, and Connor is more of a cameo in the movie.

And, by the way, a quick search would have turned up the pre-existing thread.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=174800&highlight=terminator

[Chiasm]

Why the McG angst? I know he was responsible for Charlies Angels but he's also one of the guiding forces on the TV show Supernatural which is consistently excellent. Cameron is responsible for the abomination that is Titanic so you can make every argument against him that you do against McG.

[Jettison]

Titanic was actually a good movie.....its a chick flick, but its the best it could have been, I think.

But I will whole heartidly agree with anyone who says Cameron should be directing sci-fi/horror/action.

[jesse_custer]

Cameron has totally lost it. For me, there's no reason to believe he can save this sequel from its innate unoriginality and incoherent plot.

[Jettison]

Yeah, he's better off returning to the mangled-robo-cyber-horror genre with Battle Angel Alita.....I dont know the last time I was so excited for a movie....

[rick]

Titanic was actually a good movie.....its a chick flick, but its the best it could have been, I think.

But I will whole heartidly agree with anyone who says Cameron should be directing sci-fi/horror/action.


I always had to admire that Cameron managed to force the men in the audience into watching about an hour and a half of a terrible chick flick and then, just as all of us were ready to rip out our eyes, have a guy yell, Iceberg ahead and finally give us something to look at.

[Jettison]

Not to mention seeing that chicks massive knockers :thumbsup:

[MaxofSteel]

Cameron has totally lost it. For me, there's no reason to believe he can save this sequel from its innate unoriginality and incoherent plot.

I can't vouch for Cameron, but I don't consider Bale the type to purposefully sign onto a movie with no promise of success. With him on board, it's possible that T4 might not turn out to be so bad.

[Jettison]

Its Terminator....hes bound to get paid....you really think he's expecting it to be Citizen Kane material? No.....he wants to get paid....tons of money....for turning up in every movie aimed at our demographic.....

I actually like the idea of him playing old John Connor, but he's turning into the Will Ferrel of action films.

[jesse_custer]

I can't vouch for Cameron, but I don't consider Bale the type to purposefully sign onto a movie with no promise of success. With him on board, it's possible that T4 might not turn out to be so bad.

Maybe not. However, I sincerely doubt it will be that good. Don't get me wrong. I think Bale was wonderful in a number of films, from "Empire of the Sun" to "Shaft" to "Rescue Dawn" to "American Psycho." He's the kind of actor who keeps Daniel Day-Lewis up at night. Yet he's not infallible. Remember, De Niro and Pacino both built their careers on very respectable bodies of work. But De Niro made "Meet the Fockers" and Al Pacino made "Ocean's Thirteen." And they failed before those films as well.

[Jettison]

[QUOTE=jesse_custer;6411838]He's the kind of actor who keeps Daniel Day-Lewis up at night.

L O L

your kidding, right?

[jesse_custer]

No, I'm not. Day-Lewis expressed great regret during the passing of Ledger, who also employed a method acting style later in his career. I have no doubt that Day-Lewis was very impressed with Bale's dedication in "The Machinist," "American Psycho," etc.

[Jettison]

What does regret for Ledger's passing have to do with Bale? I have 'no doubt' he was probably impressed by Bale's performances....we've all been impressed no doubt by the man's talent....

But DDL is Bill the Butcher....that pretty much pwns anything else ever committed to film....the man isn't losing any sleep.

[jesse_custer]

Jeez, actors die every year. And the one time Day-Lewis displays PUBLIC EMOTION is when Ledger dies, as he cites SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of method acting that touched him in Ledger's later films. So with that in mind, it shouldn't be hard to fathom that he respects Bale a great deal and is inspired by younger actors taking risks in the method acting vein. These guys keep him on his toes.

And as far as losing sleep is concerned, it is an often-used expression not a literal prediction.

[Jettison]

Daniel Day Lewis as John Connor?

[jesse_custer]

Would never happen (Day-Lewis, as you know, is too selective) and am glad it would never happen (because, you know, I think he's doing a pretty good job with his present discretionary style).

Keep in mind that neither of these facts disprove my original claim.

[Jettison]

DDL should be in some sort of Space Marine movie.....hes such a bad bad man.

[kalorama]

Its Terminator....hes bound to get paid....you really think he's expecting it to be Citizen Kane material? No.....he wants to get paid....tons of money....for turning up in every movie aimed at our demographic.....

I actually like the idea of him playing old John Connor, but he's turning into the Will Ferrel of action films.

Not even close. Action films make up a tiny percentage of Bale's filmography, and even most of the ones he has done (so far) have had way more heart and brain than your average Michael bay explodo-fest.

[Black Atom]

I can't vouch for Cameron, but I don't consider Bale the type to purposefully sign onto a movie with no promise of success. With him on board, it's possible that T4 might not turn out to be so bad.

http://www.badmovieplanet.com/unknownmovies/pictures/equilibrium2.jpg

OTOH, Cameron has never directed bad film. Still, the franchise was torpedoed with Part 3, which threw most of Cameron's carefully-constructed mythos to the wind for the sake of turning the franchise into a crappy teen slasher flick.

[jesse_custer]

Titanic is a bad film. If not for the substantial budget, it could have been a television movie easily in terms of acting, writing, directing, etc.

[Jettison]

Titanic is a bad film? Okay...thats your opinion, but its the highest grossing film in history.....um, yeah....'bad' doesn't mean squat with those kind of sales.

[kalorama]

Titanic is a bad film? Okay...thats your opinion, but its the highest grossing film in history.....um, yeah....'bad' doesn't mean squat with those kind of sales.

And, conversely, big box office doesn't mean "good." There's no intrinsic correlation between the two.

(I say this as a general observation, not a specific commentary on Titanic, which I've never seen and have no intention of ever seeing.)

[Jettison]

How could a movie based on the Titanic disaster have been better?

and don't say Kraken.....cuz if you say Kraken, I'll have to agree with you.

[jesse_custer]

Not being a turgid, boring three hours would definitely help. Three-dimensional characters would have helped. Leaving the self-conscious and dumb "king of the world" line out would have helped. Swiping some camera techniques from Ford, Welles, Kubrick, Spielberg, Kurosawa, Altman, etc. would have helped a lot, too.

[jka12002]

Terminator 4 should not be made. T3 runined the series already

[The Xenos]

I vote HELL NO!

Cameron has better things to do than go back to Terminator. He's working on his own creation Avatar. Plus I hear he's working on adapting the amazing cyborg fighting manga Battle Angel Alita (Gunnm) into a series of films. I can't wait to see those. If they live up to even a fraction of their potential, they'll be revolutionary films and quite a sight to behold.

Another Terminator movie? I really don't care, especially if Cameron himself isn't initiating it. He's moved onto new stuff and I'd rather see those.

Plus McG is already locked in with the studio for making it. Ick.

[Legato]

If all John Connor is going to get is a bit part and not be a main character then Im avoiding this.

[Cyke]

Titanic is a bad film? Okay...thats your opinion, but its the highest grossing film in history.....um, yeah....'bad' doesn't mean squat with those kind of sales.

...um, yeah... with that logic, Armaggeddon is high art and No Country for Old Men is crap.

I really hate it when people equate sales with quality.

[Jared]

You know Titanic is going to be bad the moment the screenplay "cleverly" has people name-dropping "some artist" named Picasso.

No, on second thought, it was at the lines "So this is the ship they say in unsinkable."
"It is unsinkable, God himself could not sink this ship." Riiiiight..., way to foreshadow, James.

No, I correct that. I knew it was bad when the present-day prolouge dragged on and on for 15 minutes. Though I have to give Cameron kudos for including the naked picture, knowing that the male audience would be more inclined to wait around to see if Kate Winslet would actually show anything when she posed for it. Diabolical bastard.

[Khan Zor-El]

Why all the Titanic bashing? It was a good "chick flick". I always just called it "Tit-a-nic", for obvious reasons.

[Mike Pothier]

No, on second thought, it was at the lines "So this is the ship they say in unsinkable."
"It is unsinkable, God himself could not sink this ship." Riiiiight..., way to foreshadow, James.

Supposedly, that was actually said when the Titanic was to set sail.

[Jettison]

Armageddon was crap....but it was entertaining crap.

[DWEarhart]

If all John Connor is going to get is a bit part and not be a main character then Im avoiding this.

Christian Bale as John Connor will be a bit part in this installment but will have a larger presence in future flicks, which there will (or are supposed to) be.

Someone else is going to be the main character for this one.

And I'm with others who say that this film shouldn't happen. T3 sucked major rhino testies, and McG will not help this franchise at all.

[Khan Zor-El]

Great so the Terminator franchise is going to start sucking much the way the Alien franchise did. Just great. What the hell did Hollywood writers bitch&cry and strike for if they still crank out crap movies?

[Rachel Grey]

WTF?

Okay, I enjoyed T3. It made me lol. But... John only getting a bit part? WTF?

[Khan Zor-El]

WTF?

Okay, I enjoyed T3. It made me lol. But... John only getting a bit part? WTF?

A bit part, what a waste. I always wanted to see the "great military leader" in action.

[SnowTrooper]

Heres the teaser trailer for Terminator Salvation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRw3AkbtJhQ

[the goddamn batman]

I dunno... that does look kinda cool.

[EZMOHR]

Two things from the trailer....

a.) It looks like Christian Bale will have more than a "bit" part that has been rumored.

b.) Or maybe it all a ruse, and that is why "unknown" Sam Worthington also gets billing in the trailer (come on people, the only thing this guy is even remotely known for is staring in a movie that is gonna come out 7 months after T4,) and we've seen all of Bale's scenes in the teaser.

Anyways, the teaser did a good job, and I actually want to see this movie.

[Dr. Ghost]

this movie needs arnold.

[Toku King]

this movie needs arnold.

Damn straight. Hell, I wanna see Arnold vs. Brolin.

[DonC]

this movie needs arnold.


What makes you think he isn't in it?

[the goddamn batman]

this movie needs arnold.

No. The last thing this movie needs in Arnold. (well, maybe a cameo... but that's all he can even do these days.)

This movie needs to revive the franchise, and it's doing it exactly as it should. The war. The terminators don't need flesh to kill humans. Also? Full on Hunter-Killer action!!!

[Robo Ape]

Teaser trailer here (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0807/17/terminator.htm).

This is a better quality version than the link already posted.

[Legato]

Even without Arnold the movie has Christian Bale which is good enough for me. From the looks of the teaser it looks like it could be a whole lot better than T3.

[Libaax]

If Bale has only a bit part role then this movie isnt worth anything IMO.

T3 killed any interest i had in the series, only got excited cause i assumed Bale as the lead and his ability,coolness would raise the quality.

He will maybe have a bigger role in the future flicks ? Are they kidding there is a big chance this movie will kill of the series even more than the third...

How could they even think to make John Conner a small role, whats the point without him ? Plus Bale is like the best actor under 50 in Hollywood dont waste him. !

[Legato]

If Bale has only a bit part role then this movie isnt worth anything IMO.

T3 killed any interest i had in the series, only got excited cause i assumed Bale as the lead and his ability,coolness would raise the quality.

He will maybe have a bigger role in the future flicks ? Are they kidding there is a big chance this movie will kill of the series even more than the third...

How could they even think to make John Conner a small role, whats the point without him ? Plus Bale is like the best actor under 50 in Hollywood dont waste him. !

Perhaps that part about Bale having a bit part is nothing but a rumor. They cant be that stupid to finally have a terminator movie involving the big war between Man vs Machine and not have John playing a big part in it.

Why would Christian Bale sign up for something whare all he would get is nothing but a bit part in the film?

As one poster said from the looks of the trailer he could possibly have more than just a bit part.

[Libaax]

Yeah the trailer gave me hope that Bale has the lead.


Plus realisticly, Bale is like Will Smith and other big stars. Much easier to make money and make a hit and T5 and so on.

No one knows Worthington dude, i doubt he would be the lead of a big franchise movie like this.

[Legato]

Yeah the trailer gave me hope that Bale has the lead.


Plus realisticly, Bale is like Will Smith and other big stars. Much easier to make money and make a hit and T5 and so on.

No one knows Worthington dude, i doubt he would be the lead of a big franchise movie like this.

Thare is also the fact that with the hype around The Dark Knight hollywood wants to milk Bale for all he's worth.

[the goddamn batman]

Oh man, Common is in this? Well, that's all I needed to know.:biggrin:

[EZMOHR]

The case of this movie I kind of cool and.....different.


Christian Bale
Common
Bryce Dallas Howard
Helena Bonham Carter
and maybe even Josh Brolin supposedly?

Kid of a cool cast.

[Dr. Banner]

Oh man, Bale looked SO badass in this. If he's got a bigger role in this he could make it one of the best Terminator movies yet.

[Ite]

I am really getting sick of people sayiong the movie needs Arnold, he is too old to play the T-800 and his replacement Roland Kickinger is the perfect fit as a younger looking Arnold.

I can not wait to see this movie!

When they played the preview before The Dark Knight the whole theater cheered and hooted and hollored lol.

[suttercain]

I am really getting sick of people sayiong the movie needs Arnold, he is too old to play the T-800 and his replacement Roland Kickinger is the perfect fit as a younger looking Arnold.

You're 100% right.

[Libaax]

No wants seriously Arnold. I thought he was too old in T3.....



With Bale and his presence the series got lucky and can finally save its name after the crappy third one.

[Live for Films]

The photos of Christian Bale shooting the Terminator look good. Bale looks bad a$$. Also some pics of the T-600 out - the forerunner of the T-800.

I;ve heard there's meant to be an 80ft terminator in this one. Anyone else know anything about it?

The pics are here (http://liveforfilm.blogspot.com/2008/07/terminator-salvation-screen-grab.html).

[Wolf-Man]

That was the most annoying trailer ever created. All that flashing nearly made me pitch a fit and I'm not even epileptic.

[Headhunter]

After I found out about Christian Bale's involvement, I was sold. That man is pure movie magic, everything he touches is gold...

[Legato]

After I found out about Christian Bale's involvement, I was sold. That man is pure movie magic, everything he touches is gold...

If Salvation becomes successful I see a new Trilogy in the terminator series happening. This time with Bale in the lead.

[Jared]

That guy from Son of the Beach who looks like Arnold is in it. It says he's playing a younger version. He even played Arnold in a tv movie. I wonder if he's really just playing a human that the 101 flesh model will be based on.

Is there any connection to the TV series or are they treating this as a totally separate project?

Bale could be the new Harrison Ford, having not one, but two iconic genre characters attached to his name.

[Donald M.]

They had the teaser trailer for this when I went to see Dark Knight today and people in the audience were snickering.

Just let it die . . .

[Ronald Bryan]

That guy from Son of the Beach who looks like Arnold is in it. It says he's playing a younger version. He even played Arnold in a tv movie. I wonder if he's really just playing a human that the 101 flesh model will be based on.

Is there any connection to the TV series or are they treating this as a totally separate project?

Bale could be the new Harrison Ford, having not one, but two iconic genre characters attached to his name.
They averted that future in the TV show by time jumping 8 years in the future, which somehow cured Sarah of future cancer.

[Donald M.]

Bale could be the new Harrison Ford, having not one, but two iconic genre characters attached to his name.

In what way is John Connor iconic?

Arnold as Terminator, yes, but Connor was just a possibility in the first film and an annoying teenager in the second. The third movie, the first to feature an adult Connor as a central character, was just terrible.

Of course, 4 will likely be better than 3 simply on the strength of Bale (Not that Nick Stahl isn't a good actor, but Judgement Day was just an avalanche of suck that buried everything in its wake.) but it's not like he's adding another character to his resume that even approaches the level of being worthy to grovel at the feet of a character with Batman's status.

Just sayin'.

[Libaax]

Trust me Bale will make John Conner iconic.

It wont be only about Terminator/Arnold fame series after this one ;)

[hYPE]

Trust me Bale will make John Conner iconic.

It wont be only about Terminator/Arnold fame series after this one ;)

I totally agree with you on that!

[Live for Films]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS IF TRUE

Has anything more come of the rumoured ending that was mentioned on aintitcool a while back.

Basically it was sayiing something like JC gets killed at the end but to honour him they basically skin him and record his brain patterns and stick it all on a terminator chassis?!!?

Sounds very naff and I'm hoping it doesn;t end that way, but it would mean JC could go toe to toe with a Terminator in any sequels and also riffs on the old Robocop v Terminator comic book from years ago

[moebius]

What makes you think he isn't in it?

Arnold has stated he's done acting and will stick to public service. Not to mention he's and old man.

Ain't it Cool ran something recently on this bodybuilder who played Arnold in some TV movie...he'll be taking over the part.

[MaxofSteel]

I don't really see the need to show a Terminator in disguise as a human anymore. The war is on, there's no need for "fitting in" among humans unless its some sort of plan to infiltrate the rebels' ranks.

Still, I plan on seeing this movie. If only to see how Bale does.

[Black Atom]

...exactly when did this Cult of Bale start up? Is it because of the Batman movies? Because he's hardly the best thing about those.

[MaxofSteel]

...exactly when did this Cult of Bale start up? Is it because of the Batman movies? Because he's hardly the best thing about those.

I liked him in The Prestige and Equilibrium enough to admire his work. I wouldn't say I'm a part of a "cult" or anything, seeing as how I've only seen these and his 2 Bat flicks. Oh, and American Psycho too.

[Libaax]

He is the most promising actor in his generation.

He has a great presence and very good ability to act.

With Prestige,Batman movies he shows he keeps getting better and better.


Personally i became a fan after American Pyscho and hoped he would become this big. Its good to have A-listers who can act and dont live on their looks and roles they keep recycling like Pitt,Cruise....

He is along with W.Smith,Daniel Day-Lewis,Depp,Denzel,Tony Leung actors i watch everything they do.


He is not the best thing out there Day-Lewis is ;) but he is getting there.

[Legato]

He is the most promising actor in his generation.

He has a great presence and very good ability to act.

With Prestige,Batman movies he shows he keeps getting better and better.


Personally i became a fan after American Pyscho and hoped he would become this big. Its good to have A-listers who can act and dont live on their looks and roles they keep recycling like Pitt,Cruise....

He is along with W.Smith,Daniel Day-Lewis,Depp,Denzel,Tony Leung actors i watch everything they do.


He is not the best thing out there Day-Lewis is ;) but he is getting there.

One of his earliest movies I have seen him act in is a musical movie called Newsies but I became a fan of his after his performance in American Psycho.

It is good that Bale is getting as much recognition as he is getting.

[kalorama]

...exactly when did this Cult of Bale start up? Is it because of the Batman movies? Because he's hardly the best thing about those.

Bale's been doing good work in little seen movies for a while now. He didn't just pop onto the grid with Batman.

[Libaax]

One of his earliest movies I have seen him act in is a musical movie called Newsies but I became a fan of his after his performance in American Psycho.

It is good that Bale is getting as much recognition as he is getting.

Yeah its very good he is getting his due now.

Its fun that they try to build franchises around him. It works for them because i thought Terminator was a great series that was forever killed off by T3 before i saw Bale being in it.

[Legato]

Yeah its very good he is getting his due now.

Its fun that they try to build franchises around him. It works for them because i thought Terminator was a great series that was forever killed off by T3 before i saw Bale being in it.

Especially once I heard rumors about John Connor getting a bit part in the film. I was starting to worry at first but then the trailers put my mind at ease.

[DWEarhart]

As I recall, Bale's role will only appear in about twenty maybe thirty minutes of the film. He will be the main focus though in the next two. Unless the moviemakers decided to go ahead and capitalize and the awesomeness of Bale, but I believe he's already done filming his portion of the film and is on Michael Mann's next flick right now with Johnny Depp.

[Sean Whitmore]

I don't really see the need to show a Terminator in disguise as a human anymore. The war is on, there's no need for "fitting in" among humans unless its some sort of plan to infiltrate the rebels' ranks.

Isn't that exactly why the Terminators started "skinning up" in the first place? And why the rebels started using dogs to guard their bases?


SEAN

[xarathos]

I think that's a good idea. Just tell the story, man!

I remember I found a VHS copy of Terminator 2:Special Edition back in 94 or so and wore that thing out. I didn't have a Laser Disc player.

[MaxofSteel]

Isn't that exactly why the Terminators started "skinning up" in the first place? And why the rebels started using dogs to guard their bases?


SEAN

It is. I realized that after I made the post. Silly me.

[Black Atom]

Bale's been doing good work in little seen movies for a while now. He didn't just pop onto the grid with Batman.

Noted, but he's only one component of the film. If this movie's half as bad as T3 was, Bale's presence won't save it.

[G. Wayne]

I liked him in The Prestige and Equilibrium enough to admire his work. I wouldn't say I'm a part of a "cult" or anything, seeing as how I've only seen these and his 2 Bat flicks. Oh, and American Psycho too.

I liked Reign of Fire, but I understand I'm one of the 10 people that do. I think American Psycho was the movie that put him on most people's radar, and with a few exceptions he's done pretty well with fans and critics since.

[hYPE]

I truly hope this movie is good!

[Legato]

I liked Reign of Fire, but I understand I'm one of the 10 people that do. I think American Psycho was the movie that put him on most people's radar, and with a few exceptions he's done pretty well with fans and critics since.

I too thought Reign of Fire was pretty decent, not one of the best films in the world but I wouldn't say it was a waste of money to watch either.

[StoneGold]

Isn't that exactly why the Terminators started "skinning up" in the first place? And why the rebels started using dogs to guard their bases?


SEAN

The Terminator's an infiltration unit, part man, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis - micro processor-controlled, fully armoured. Very tough. But outside, it's living human tissue - flesh, skin, hair, blood, grown for the cyborgs...The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy. But these are new, they look human. Sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot.

[andy khouri]

Director McG and the cast of "Terminator: Salvation" gave fans at Comic-Con International a taste of a bleak future with an exhaustive Q&A and presentation of new footage from the Christian Bale-starring film.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17555

[howyadoin]

Just saw this article:

http://www.nextautos.com/%E2%80%98moto-terminator%E2%80%99-bike-coming-terminator-salvation

Kinda reminds me of the squids in the Matrix trilogy.

[cosmoboy]

The Terminator's an infiltration unit, part man, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis - micro processor-controlled, fully armoured. Very tough. But outside, it's living human tissue - flesh, skin, hair, blood, grown for the cyborgs...The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy. But these are new, they look human. Sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot.

heh. Awesome. More awesomer if you did it from memory.

[arp2008]

Just saw this article:

http://www.nextautos.com/%E2%80%98moto-terminator%E2%80%99-bike-coming-terminator-salvation

Kinda reminds me of the squids in the Matrix trilogy. Lookin' good! But wouldn't hover bikes be more pratival? Assuming those are tires, wouldn't all the soldier have to do is shoot them out to immoblize this new machine? And given the uneven terrian of the future would hover bikes not have been more practical as an effective and cool killer? Whatever. The design is still wicked.

[WyldCard4]

Having seen the preview it looks awesome, the first Terminator is my all time favorite movie and it looks like this will be done well.

[Pro]

http://www.quietearth.us/img/t/TS2.JPG

Hrm .. looks pretty damn big ..

http://www.quietearth.us/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=439

Also cool

And more:

http://io9.com/5081729/terminator-4-concept-art-shows-half-breed-robo-killers

[pitbull in a skirt]

Terminator 4 should not be made. T3 runined the series already

Batman Begins should not be made. Batman and Robin ruined the series already.

:eek:

oH?!

:tongue:

I am really getting sick of people sayiong the movie needs Arnold, he is too old to play the T-800 and his replacement Roland Kickinger is the perfect fit as a younger looking Arnold.

I can not wait to see this movie!

When they played the preview before The Dark Knight the whole theater cheered and hooted and hollored lol.

Same here. Particularly when in the beginning, the trailer fades to black with his voice over, and CHRISTIAN BALE appeared on the screen.