Does Wolverine have a death wish when it comes to Magneto?

[jmc247]

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It seems to me that the only reason Wolverine is alive today is because Magneto hasn't decided to do this more often.

[Canemacar]

Wolverine is like that all the time. We all know he wouldn't last 5 minutes without his healing factor because he looses it so often. I suppose that's part ofd the appeal though, he's in a constant state of self-destruction.

[The Fury]

Yeah well, Stabby-joe's an idiot.

[Jake V]

9 times out of 10, he manages to at least stab him in the gut, so he figures his odds are pretty good.

[Pach!]

The HoM one doesn't count because they saw Magneto couldn't move a fork, so there was no danger.

[jmc247]

9 times out of 10, he manages to at least stab him in the gut, so he figures his odds are pretty good.

And, yet that usually tends to just piss Magneto off more.

If Magneto was half the monster Wolverine says he is. Wolverine would be a contorted Picassoesk statue beside Magneto's fireplace.

[Jake V]

And, yet that usually tends to just piss Magneto off more.

If Magneto was half the monster Wolverine says he is. Wolverine would be a contorted Picassoesk statue beside Magneto's fireplace.

Wolverine is a team player. While as far as I remember, the stab to the gut in Eve of Destruction was the only time he ended the fight, the old claw to the stomach trick was mostly used to put Magneto down momentarily so someone else could step up and finish things.

[jmc247]

Wolverine is a team player.

I wouldn't call these attacks playing with the 'team'. Magneto sees a super powered character he has never met coming towards the X-Men he stops her with his Magnetic powers and Wolverine tries to kill him. The X-Men come to talk to Magneto and Wolverine decides he is going to kill him.

Imagine how fast Wolverine would be dead if Magneto played the same game Wolverine has with him.

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[jmc247]

The HoM one doesn't count because they saw Magneto couldn't move a fork, so there was no danger.

Certainly.

What that one shows is they wanted to see how far they could beat a guy when he is down at his lowest ever.

I suspect Magneto would have been happy if Wolverine killed him then and there.

Magneto cares more about mutant rights then any of the fools assembled there. They can disagree with his methods, but the way they disrespect the man really pisses me off. Magneto is a good man far better then much of the scum the X-Men are working with now adays.

They would be far better off if they treated him the way the X-Men in the Animated Series did, as a potental threat, but with respect for him as person.

[rwsmith]

What I want to know is how Magneto manages to survive so many stabs in the gut? The guy must have a healing factor of his own or something.

[Monty_Cristo]

What I want to know is how Magneto manages to survive so many stabs in the gut? The guy must have a healing factor of his own or something.

he's just really really tough. but, yeah, the uber magnetic field around his body does help the healing process.

[rwsmith]

Seriously? That's lame. Magneto shouldn't be any tougher physically than a normal guy IMO. Wolverine should've never gotten close enough to cut him, since he probably has a magnetic field surrounding him pretty much all the time, and especially during a fight! That would've been much more plausible than allowing Logan to stab him on numerous occasions and then acting like nothing happened in the very next panel.

[Red Orion]

Certainly.

What that one shows is they wanted to see how far they could beat a guy when he is down at his lowest ever.

I suspect Magneto would have been happy if Wolverine killed him then and there.

Magneto cares more about mutant rights then any of the fools assembled there. They can disagree with his methods, but the way they disrespect the man really pisses me off. Magneto is a good man far better then much of the scum the X-Men are working with now adays.

They would be far better off if they treated him the way the X-Men in the Animated Series did, as a potental threat, but with respect for him as person.

All the good intentions in the world don't take away from the fact that he's killed more people in one issue (X-Men #25) than any of the "scum" the X-Men are working with today have in there entire careers.

And why shouldn't they disrespect one of the biggest terrorists in the MU? If he wants respect maybe he should stop killing people.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

he can control metal and even the iron in blood....maybe when wolverine stabs him he makes the metal go liquid or gooey or something

One thing I didn't really think about until I watched an episode of heroes...is that just b/c you have a healing factor...doesn't mean that having bones broken, skin burned off, and all that doesn't hurt....I think they should make Wolverine more believable by having him scream "oh god the seering pain" when something happens to him

[rwsmith]

Well, I don't want to hear him scream like that (he is supposed to be tough, after all), but, yeah, they shouldn't ignore the fact that he still feels the pain.

And he should also heal slower than he has been lately. It should take hours to heal from a gunshot, and days to heal from a whole bunch of them. That's the way it used to be, and IMO Logan was a lot cooler then.

[jmc247]

And why shouldn't they disrespect one of the biggest terrorists in the MU? If he wants respect maybe he should stop killing people.

So that explains why Wolverine tried to kill Magneto for protecting the X-Men in the first scan against an unknown super power intruder when he was basically a member of the team?

If Magneto was the terrorist you consider him to be Wolverine would be dead and buried. Magneto sent out the EMP to stop the satellites enforcing the Magneto protocols a military target. That it killed people hooked on life support around the world in hospitals and just going about their daily life like driving home when the lights to the stoplight go out is tragic, but when the US bombed Serbia's power facilities all across their country in 1999 we also caused unintentional deaths of civilians, but that happens any war.

If he were considered an ethnonational leader (which an international court under his control) announced he was and the UN backed up by negotating with him later then what he did was certainly not terrorism anymore then the US bombing Serb power plants was terrorism. Intentionally targeting civilians for murder is terrorism, but going after a target like power planets that has the secondary effect of killing people is not terrorism. If an army did that in response to a UN action like what they did to Magneto it would not be called terrorism.

Wolverine himself seems to share my view.

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[Papa Moai]

Wolverine is a rageaholic. He knows what he does is stupid and self-destructive, but can't help himself. He has to admit that he is powerless over his addiction and get help.

[Cain Marko]

Magneto sent out the EMP to stop the satellites enforcing the Magneto protocols a military target. That it killed people hooked on life support around the world in hospitals and just going about their daily life like driving home when the lights to the stoplight go out is tragic, but when the US bombed Serbia's power facilities all across their country in 1999 we also caused unintentional deaths of civilians, but that happens any war.


If he were considered an ethnonational leader (which an international court under his control) announced he was and the UN backed up by negotating with him later then what he did was certainly not terrorism anymore then the US bombing Serb power plants was terrorism. Intentionally targeting civilians for murder is terrorism, but going after a target like power planets that has the secondary effect of killing people is not terrorism. If an army did that in response to a UN action like what they did to Magneto it would not be called terrorism.


Just out of curiousity, if you're defending that EMP as merely striking a military target, then why was the attack aimed purely at the people of Earth instead of in the direction of the military target(satellites)? And why would would there be numerous statements about how the attack was specifically meant to devastate Earth's populace, etc?

[jmc247]

Just out of curiousity, if you're defending that EMP as merely striking a military target, then why was the attack aimed purely at the people of Earth instead of in the direction of the military target(satellites)? And why would would there be numerous statements about how the attack was specifically meant to devastate Earth's populace, etc?

That is crap, I have the scan on my computer and looked at it again just to be sure and can post it if you want, there were no such statements and your notion that he was targeting the Earth has no textual basis.

I suspect are confusing another situation, where Magneto holds the world powers hostage by yes threatening to destroy all electronics on Earth by a world wide EM field if he is not given Genosha.

[Cain Marko]

That is crap, I have the scan on my computer and looked at it again just to be sure and can post it if you want, there were no such statements and your notion that he was targeting the Earth has no textual basis.

I take it you've not actually read the book then? Before sending the EMP, Magneto himself even suggests the act will push him into the Hitler league he'd been trying to avoid.

[jmc247]

I take it you've not actually read the book then? Before sending the EMP, Magneto himself even suggests the act will push him into the Hitler league he'd been trying to avoid.

He says no such thing. His only reference to Hitler was when he refers to him as what he was trying to avoid becoming.

I must ask when have you last read the comic?

Certainly he wanted to make a point by the EMP. But, the main reason for sending it out as the scan below shows is to stop the Magneto Protocols.

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[Cain Marko]

He says no such thing. His only reference to Hitler was when he refers to him as what he was trying to avoid becoming.



By not doing something as extreme as ripping a violent EMP across the planet. He then agrees though that despite trying to avoid it it must be done anyway. Then he unleashes the EMP. On Earth, Xavier and the X-Men comment at length about how the EMP was especially violent and meant to devastate the people. Read the pages after the EMP.

[jmc247]

By not doing something as extreme as ripping a violent EMP across the planet. He then agrees though that despite trying to avoid it it must be done anyway. Then he unleashes the EMP. On Earth, Xavier and the X-Men comment at length about how the EMP was especially violent and meant to devastate the people. Read the pages after the EMP.

Bull, that was Xaiver trying to excuse what he was planning on doing to Magneto. If Magneto wanted to send out a real planetary EMP like the one he threatened to do to turn all Earth's machines into slag he could have.

The UN declared war on Magneto by activating the Magneto Protocols and he responded in kind. Had they did the same thing to Von Doom and his land he would have been just as justified in firing off an EMP. You don't consider Magneto a transnational leader. I do.

[Cain Marko]

Bull, that was Xaiver trying to excuse what he was planning on doing to Magneto. If Magneto wanted to send out a real planetary EMP like the one he threatened to do to turn all Earth's machines into slag he could have.


The EMP Magneto unleashed was violent enough to not only black out the planet, but tear through streets and was shown ripping through traffic sending vehicles flying everywhere. I'm not sure why you'd feel Xavier needed any further excuse than Magneto's own actions.



The UN declared war on Magneto by activating the Magneto Protocols and he responded in kind.

Except that the Magneto Protocols were specifically stated a number of times as not being an attack and designed to avoid any provocation. Whereas Magneto's EMP was meant as a deliberate attack on billions of innocent people. That's not "in kind".