Omega Alpha Marvel characters?

[SkankmasterJ]

Hi, I was just wondering which characters make which power level?

I think the following make sense but wondered if you guys know of any others

Omega

Phoenix
Iceman
Storm
Elixir
Kid-Omega
Mister M
Mr. Immortal
Franklin Richards
Rachel summers
Vulcan


Alpha

Magneto
Professor X
Polaris
Sunfire
Cyclops
Cable
Pyro
Mikhail Rasputin
Apocalypse
Rogue

[Expletive Deleted]

Since the "omega" and "alpha" thing doesn't really apply to non-mutants . . .

[Monty_Cristo]

Hi, I was just wondering which characters make which power level?

I think the following make sense but wondered if you guys know of any others

Omega

Phoenix
Iceman
Storm
Elixir
Kid-Omega
Mister M
Mr. Immortal
Franklin Richards
Rachel summers
Vulcan


Alpha

Magneto
Professor X
Polaris
Sunfire
Cyclops
Cable
Pyro
Mikhail Rasputin
Apocalypse
Rogue


David Haller aka Legion

[Slung]

Hi, I was just wondering which characters make which power level?

I think the following make sense but wondered if you guys know of any others

Omega

Phoenix
Iceman
Storm
Elixir
Kid-Omega
Mister M
Mr. Immortal
Franklin Richards
Rachel summers
Vulcan


Alpha

Magneto
Professor X
Polaris
Sunfire
Cyclops
Cable
Pyro
Mikhail Rasputin
Apocalypse
Rogue
I believe Storm is actualy considered an Alpha.

[dellicious]

I believe Storm is actualy considered an Alpha.

i believe she is too

[Syzygy]

Marvel has stated that Magneto's powers are "for all practical purposes, limitless." "Limitless" = Omega.

Also, Xavier, as we're repeatedly told he has the most powerful mutant mind on earth. Also, in Deadly Genesis, when Cyke and the others detect an omega mutant signature falling to earth, they assume it to be the Professor. Ergo, Scott knows Xavier is classed as Omega.

[Omega Alpha]

Well, i own Dr. Doom, Magneto, Cyclops, Daredevil, the Hulk, Spider-Man, Thanos, you know, all the cool ones.

[DrDoomX]

I hate to sound like a jerk, but I am not a big fan of the alpha or Omega Classification, but thats just me...It just does not make sense....to me some are more or less powerful then others. And their powers work in sync with each other...

[jarrod]

Storm, Xaiver and Magento seems like natural Omegas. I'd argue so do Meggan, Dani Moonstar, Chamber, and a whole host of others...

[Kalen O.]

Marvel has stated that Magneto's powers are "for all practical purposes, limitless." "Limitless" = Omega.

Also, Xavier, as we're repeatedly told he has the most powerful mutant mind on earth. Also, in Deadly Genesis, when Cyke and the others detect an omega mutant signature falling to earth, they assume it to be the Professor. Ergo, Scott knows Xavier is classed as Omega.

Something to keep in mind though, mere panels later, Brubaker writest Vulcan's energy signature as being MORE than omega level. Given that omega in and of itself means limitless, and you can't really conceivably have MORE than limitless......Brubaker's usage of the word omega isn't exactly a case for whether or not it applies to certain characters. Also, keep in mind that in X-Men Forever, the miniseries that coined the phrase as its used now, Xavier's notes reveal Phoenix and Iceman to be 'the only two omega level mutants he's yet to come across.' Xavier himself coined the phrase within the Marvel Universe. It didn't exist as a classification until he made it up. So.....at the time he created the term, he'd only had a few years (at most) of study with Bobby and Jean, they'd only just BARELY begun to tap into their potential....and yet he felt confident in making an entirely separate classification for them, he was that sure of himself. And yet, having full decades of experience with both his and his once-close friend Magneto's powers....he didn't consider either himself or Magneto omega, by his own definition. The ONLY definition, I might add, we've yet to see from Marvel.

So really, any way you spin it, the omega definition only exists in Marvel because of Xavier. He didn't consider himself or Magneto omegas, and no other writer has done anything to change that fact either. That's gotta count for something, right?

[Christopher O]

I believe Storm is actualy considered an Alpha.
i believe she is too
That's actually up in the air now. Iron Man recently classified her as a "possible omega" which opens the whole thing up.

[Kalen O.]

Right, plus I think she's always been a contender for possible omega as well. She certainly seems to fit all the requirements, so really, its only a matter of time before a writer confirms her as such, I'd think.

But another reason Magneto doesn't work for instance, is that he's burned out his powers too many times. Like....the nature of his powers would seem to suggest that he could feasibly be omega, and the potential for it seemed to be in his genes, since his clone Joseph merged with the Earth's magnetic field. But I'd assume Astra made some alterations to Joseph's genetic structure to maximize his potential power, as Magneto falls short of omega for a couple of reasons. There's Xavier not considering him to fit, again, HIS classification system, but Magneto's many devices and use of Fabian Cortez are the biggest. While Magneto's powers may have virtually limitless applications, they can't be limitless in and of themselves. Otherwise, there'd be no way for external sources to boost his power levels, as has happened on many occasions.

X-Men: Forever made very clear with Iceman and Phoenix that while there have been many feats they havent been able to accomplish with their abilities in the past.....its been due to a lack of understanding the full nature of those abilities, not because of a lack of power. But if Magneto were truly omega, there would have been no way for Cortez or his machines to magnify his powers. Again, you can't boost the already limitless.

[SkankmasterJ]

I put storm in my Omega list because i also read she was hinted to be omega level by iron man and also she was compared to phoenix. When she gets her game face on she does wield a hell of a lot of power. It's also been assumed she will eventually reach her full potential. It would be awesome if she could actually turn into the elements she commands!

[jmc247]

But another reason Magneto doesn't work for instance, is that he's burned out his powers too many times.

He burned out his powers when Plot Oriented Stupity has called for it. We want to have a Magneto drug metaphor so lets have Magneto burn out his powers and need Cortez to boost him.

We want Magneto to take over Genosha, but not destory the insurgency overnight, well we will have his powers be burned out.

We want Magneto and Lorna to work together. Why we will say he burned out his powers and needs to use hers.

Considering the writers never explained why he lost his powers in those instances I might as well say the Living Tribunal did it to him to piss him off. That has no less in text proof of why Magneto lost his powers when writers have needed him to then anything else.

[Syzygy]

Right, plus I think she's always been a contender for possible omega as well. She certainly seems to fit all the requirements, so really, its only a matter of time before a writer confirms her as such, I'd think.

But another reason Magneto doesn't work for instance, is that he's burned out his powers too many times. Like....the nature of his powers would seem to suggest that he could feasibly be omega, and the potential for it seemed to be in his genes, since his clone Joseph merged with the Earth's magnetic field. But I'd assume Astra made some alterations to Joseph's genetic structure to maximize his potential power, as Magneto falls short of omega for a couple of reasons. There's Xavier not considering him to fit, again, HIS classification system, but Magneto's many devices and use of Fabian Cortez are the biggest. While Magneto's powers may have virtually limitless applications, they can't be limitless in and of themselves. Otherwise, there'd be no way for external sources to boost his power levels, as has happened on many occasions.

X-Men: Forever made very clear with Iceman and Phoenix that while there have been many feats they havent been able to accomplish with their abilities in the past.....its been due to a lack of understanding the full nature of those abilities, not because of a lack of power. But if Magneto were truly omega, there would have been no way for Cortez or his machines to magnify his powers. Again, you can't boost the already limitless.

I think you have two faulty assumptions here:

1. Omegas can burn out their powers. Case in point: Franklin Richards. Being Omega doesn't mean your mortal body can handle all your power, all the time. Case in point: Nate Grey, Proteus.

2. Omegas don't access all their power all the time. Getting the best out of any mutant power is a lifelong process. Machines offer a quck and easy way of squeezing out more for less.

(Judging someone's power level based upon whether or not they use machines is probably a false assumption in the Marvel Universe, since even top tier cosmics such as Galactus, the Celestials, and the Stranger use machines.)


As to Xavier, I think the logic is irrefutable:

1. Cyclops knows who is Omega and who isn't;
2. Cyclops detects a mutant sugnature of Omega level;
3. Cyclops thinks said signature may be the Professor;

THEREFORE: The Professor must be Omega level -- or Cyclops would have concluded that the signature couldn't have been Xavier's.

[Kalen O.]

He burned out his powers when Plot Oriented Stupity has called for it. We want to have a Magneto drug metaphor so lets have Magneto burn out his powers and need Cortez to boost him.

We want Magneto to take over Genosha, but not destory the insurgency overnight, well we will have his powers be burned out.

We want Magneto and Lorna to work together. Why we will say he burned out his powers and needs to use hers.

Considering the writers never explained why he lost his powers in those instances I might as well say the Living Tribunal did it to him to piss him off. That has no less in text proof of why Magneto lost his powers when writers have needed him to then anything else.

Yeah, but.....by now that's more than a couple times that his powers have burned out. And by more than one writer. Does it really need more explanation than....hey, if you try and mess with planetary electromagnetic fields on the scale that he does as often as he does it, you're gonna over exert yourself and burn out....unless you have unlimited power, or are omega or like....other things that all those examples would imply that he isn't. Nobody's saying he's not still one of the most powerful characters in the MU....and hell, as things stand now, he can whip most of the omega mutants' asses without breaking a sweat.

But your example of all those times he's over-exerted himself being ill-explained plot devices doesn't hold up. Its like saying they didn't really explain why Rogue couldn't fully absorb Juggernaut/demon/random god-like creature way more powerful than her, so that makes it a random plot device. Taking on more than you can chew, and over-exerting yourself is not an ill-explained plot device, its common sense.

[Omega Alpha]

As to Xavier, I think the logic is irrefutable:

1. Cyclops knows who is Omega and who isn't;
2. Cyclops detects a mutant sugnature of Omega level;
3. Cyclops thinks said signature may be the Professor;

THEREFORE: The Professor must be Omega level -- or Cyclops would have concluded that the signature couldn't have been Xavier's.

Or Cyclops, just by seeing a very strong power signature just assumes it's the Professor's because he's a very powerful mutant, whom Scott happens to be looking for, not really caring whether he's an Omega or not.

[jmc247]

Yeah, but.....by now that's more than a couple times that his powers have burned out. And by more than one writer.

Magneto has been around for decades and in the hands of lots of different writers.

Its only natural that certain writers have powered him down to fit their plotline lines like the Magneto being addicted to drugs metaphor and what have you.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetopower.jpg

Here is what professor X thinks.

[Omega Alpha]

Magneto has been around for decades and in the hands of lots of different writers.

Its only natural that certain writers have powered him down to fit their plotline lines like the Magneto being addicted to drugs metaphor and what have you.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetopower.jpg

Here is what professor X thinks.


Or maybe the writer who wrote this chose to power up Magneto to make him even more of a threat.

[Kalen O.]

I think you have two faulty assumptions here:

1. Omegas can burn out their powers. Case in point: Franklin Richards. Being Omega doesn't mean your mortal body can handle all your power, all the time. Case in point: Nate Grey, Proteus.

2. Omegas don't access all their power all the time. Getting the best out of any mutant power is a lifelong process. Machines offer a quck and easy way of squeezing out more for less.

(Judging someone's power level based upon whether or not they use machines is probably a false assumption in the Marvel Universe, since even top tier cosmics such as Galactus, the Celestials, and the Stranger use machines.)


As to Xavier, I think the logic is irrefutable:

1. Cyclops knows who is Omega and who isn't;
2. Cyclops detects a mutant sugnature of Omega level;
3. Cyclops thinks said signature may be the Professor;

THEREFORE: The Professor must be Omega level -- or Cyclops would have concluded that the signature couldn't have been Xavier's.

1) Franklin Richards is a kid. Was it burning out, or trying to handle forces no eight year old is equipped to handle? And no, Nate Grey and Proteus aren't case in point. You can't use any of those characters to justify your argument about an omega burning out, unless you can show me where they're called an omega in canon.

2) Explain Fabian Cortez. His power, as used on Magneto, enhanced another mutant's power. Its like taking steroids to enhance your strength. How is that going to do anything, if you already have limitless strength? What does at what point in your life that you use that strength have anything to do with it, if you're always at that strength level, you just dont think you are? Enhances work by bulking up what's already there, not what you perceive to be there because you don't have a full understanding of your power.

And no, your logic in regards to Xavier is NOT irrefutable.

1) Jean and Iceman only saw Xavier's notes on omegas due to time travelling behind the scenes. Its not something Xavier was ever shown discussing with his students, so the assumption that Cyclops automatically knows what qualifies and what doesn't is faulty.

2) Cyclops didn't detect anything. Emma did, because only a telepath can use Cerebro. She cried out something about a power signature so powerful.....not mentioning omega just yet, before Cyclops made the assumption. For most of his life, he's seen Xavier as one of the most powerful mutants on the planet, of course it could be him based on that. Not being omega doesnt make one not powerful....but being powerful does not make one omega.

And 3) Again. Its Xavier's definition. He made it up! The term omega and the classification system as described by it only exist because of him. So if anyone was able to confidently state that a mutant was omega with any authority, wouldn't it be him? And yet: He did not label himself omega. He very plainly, very clearly stated Iceman and Phoenix as being the only mutants to his knowledge at the time, he would classify as omega. Given that his knowledge of Magneto and himself predated his knowledge of them by decades, I'd say he had a lot of time to decide whether or not he fit his own description.

[Nyssane]

Siena Blaze is omega.

[Kalen O.]

Magneto has been around for decades and in the hands of lots of different writers.

Its only natural that certain writers have powered him down to fit their plotline lines like the Magneto being addicted to drugs metaphor and what have you.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetopower.jpg

Here is what professor X thinks.

Again, show me in that picture where Xavier says Magneto is an omega. Does that picture somehow negate the times Magneto has burned himself out? Does anything I've said somehow say that a character can't still be an amazingly powerful character with unreached limits or awesome potential without being omega? No. But that does not make someone omega. Magnetism IS one of the fundamental forces, and a character could do tons of damage with it, with more applications than they could probably dream of. No one is denying it. But its still not the same as canon out and out stating "Magneto is omega", when there are clear cut instances where like it or not, he's tried to do something with his control of magnetism he just didn't have enough raw power to do.

[jmc247]

But its still not the same as canon out and out stating "Magneto is omega", when there are clear cut instances where LIKE IT OR NOT

Don't get emotional about this, in fact I consider the whole notion of Omegas and Alphas to be stupid.

But, that said you aren't going to change my opinion and I am not going to change yours so talking about it clearly will do no good.

Professor X clearly states Magneto has unlimited potental and that is what I will believe unless proved otherwise. And, given Magneto becomes more and more powerful every couple years that has held true.

[Kalen O.]

Don't get emotional about this, in fact I consider the whole notion of Omegas and Alphas to be stupid.

But, that said you aren't going to change my opinion and I am not going to change yours so talking about it clearly will do no good.

Professor X clearly states Magneto has unlimited potental and that is what I will believe unless proved otherwise. And, given Magneto becomes more and more powerful every couple years that has held true.

Fair enough.

[jmc247]

The real reason Magneto becomes more powerful every couple years is the X-Men and Avengers keep adding more and more powerful characters so Marvel wants Magneto to keep up with the Jones. They want him to hold his own in a solo match up with the Avengers or X-Men or both if the need arises and when Marvel keeps adding characters like the Sentry it means they have to boost Magneto's power levels.

[tetragene]

Magneto has been around for decades and in the hands of lots of different writers.

Its only natural that certain writers have powered him down to fit their plotline lines like the Magneto being addicted to drugs metaphor and what have you.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetopower.jpg

Here is what professor X thinks.

lol--but whatever's written is canon, unless retconned. So while, to you, Magneto being "burned out" is writers doing something stupid (which, hey--I feel you on that one--my fave has been crapped on by one writer in particular)--but it IS canon. And unless Magneto is specifically stated, in writing--in a published Marvel comic book--to be omega, then he's not. His having burned out before (and it not being retconned away) suggests that he's not--at least with what we know about omegas.

[jmc247]

And unless Magneto is specifically stated, in writing--in a published Marvel comic book--to be omega, then he's not. His having burned out before (and it not being retconned away) suggests that he's not--at least with what we know about omegas.

What is canon is ever since the 1960s Magneto each decade has become a more and more powerful character with increasingly powerful tricks. To the extent where today he can warp the very fabric of space time.

Marvel has so far not put a limit on Magneto's potental because they want him to keep up with the characters they add like the Sentry, the Phoenix, and others. Marvel wants him to stay the beast that was willing to solo the Avengers and X-Men in the 1960s.

I suspect this trend will continue until the day that Marvel stops increasing the powers of established characters and adding new more powerful characters.

[kidpernicious]

I love it when this conversation gets dragged up again. You're never, ever going to make a clearcut definition of omega-level because Marvel has never, ever stuck with one in-continuity concrete definition beyond a few years. And you're never, ever going to be able to make a clear definitive canon list of omega-level characters because, again, Marvel has never ever been consistent with how they've described their characters' power levels. It's just pointless to argue about. It's like arguing about what the Bible says about any given thing. Different camps can always look to different sections of writing to support their position, and no matter how absolutely conflicting the two positions are, they're still supported by canon evidence. Just depends what you feel makes more sense and what you want to go with. I just love it when people argue about this stuff like any of it's ever been written in stone. It's comic books, they change, they're inconsistent, they're handled by different writers and editors, and arguing this sort of stuff is kinda sorta... impossible? Pointless? Impossibly pointless?

[Kalen O.]

I love it when this conversation gets dragged up again. You're never, ever going to make a clearcut definition of omega-level because Marvel has never, ever stuck with one in-continuity concrete definition beyond a few years. And you're never, ever going to be able to make a clear definitive canon list of omega-level characters because, again, Marvel has never ever been consistent with how they've described their characters' power levels. It's just pointless to argue about. It's like arguing about what the Bible says about any given thing. Different camps can always look to different sections of writing to support their position, and no matter how absolutely conflicting the two positions are, they're still supported by canon evidence. Just depends what you feel makes more sense and what you want to go with. I just love it when people argue about this stuff like any of it's ever been written in stone. It's comic books, they change, they're inconsistent, they're handled by different writers and editors, and arguing this sort of stuff is kinda sorta... impossible? Pointless? Impossibly pointless?


All very valid points. I actually think I've stayed out of all the prior versions of this convo, just caved for some reason tonight. Lol, Brubaker's use of omega is just a pet peeve of mine, I think, given that the limitless part is the one thing everyone seems to agree on....and yet somehow we're supposed to label Vulcan as more than limitless, because it sounds extra ULTRA impressive.

Heh, and I actually like Vulcan.

[kidpernicious]

All very valid points. I actually think I've stayed out of all the prior versions of this convo, just caved for some reason tonight. Lol, Brubaker's use of omega is just a pet peeve of mine, I think, given that the limitless part is the one thing everyone seems to agree on....and yet somehow we're supposed to label Vulcan as more than limitless, because it sounds extra ULTRA impressive.

Heh, and I actually like Vulcan.

Yeah, and having said all I said in my last post, I still get pissed myself when writers like Brubaker completely ignore clearly-defined stuff like that. "Beyond Omega", I think we can all agree, is absolute nonsense.

[jarrod]

Brubaker competely mishandling previously established X-cannon? Wow, who would've seen that coming?

[Flâneur]

Sage is omega level; she can do anything.

Oh lol at thread with desperate posturing to make desired character omega,
cos we ALL know they suck donkey wang unless they're more powerful than all the others roflcopter!

[Novaya Havoc]

Sage is omega level; she can do anything.

Oh lol at thread with desperate posturing to make desired character omega,
cos we ALL know they suck donkey wang unless they're more powerful than all the others roflcopter!

That's what I was gonna post!

Well, the non-secret decoder-ring part.

[Mikl C]

Marrow is omega BONES.

[Flâneur]

That's what I was gonna post!

Well, the non-secret decoder-ring part.

We've seen it stated that her mind is better than any computer, so she clearly outclasses the Celestial ships or any of Galactus' machines. Which makes it canon that she's omega. No one may argue, or I'll post scans ... of Michael Jackson nekkid.

And LemonChiffon is a much sneakier colour than White. :o

[Schuimend Mormel]

When I read the part where it was said Vulcan's power was pushed beyond the Omega-level, I didn't interpret this as "more powerful than an Omega-level mutant", but as "pushed into the Omega-level category". I think "beyond" was unintended hyperbole, simply a minor error on Brubaker's part.

[jarrod]

Funny enough, we had tetra seriously trying to argue Dazzler's Omega status in the previous Omega thread. It's almost as if we took these endless pot shots at whichever Claremont pet of the moment (deosn't matter who, Betsy, Sage, Kitty, Rachel, Jean, Ororo, Rogue, Dani, Amara, Illyana, etc) switched out the name, sprinkled on some magic pixie glitter, and a certain fanbase would nearly break their heels with the about face reversal we'd see in response to the comments. From embittered detraction to simpleminded promotion in just a few keystrokes... the only element to remain would likely be hive-like self congradulation/handjobs.

[Flâneur]

I think you should have angry sex with the Dazzler fans; it'd be an easy way to bring about the apocalypse.:p

More seriously ... its not just Dazzler, everyone's arguing for their favourite and they always do. I've seen edit wars on wikipedia over whether Wolverine should be considered omega, and the core of the argument is that some fans feel that the character is owed it, as if the character needs it to possess any worth in the story.

[jarrod]

Honey, I'd bring out the double header. A to A!

[Flâneur]

I keep trying to think of a response to that ... but I just can't. My witty (i.e vulgar) dialogue has been stymied.:(

[Mikl C]

Do elephants have sex like that?

[Flâneur]

Do elephants have sex like that?

Most birds and mammals do it that way - its instinct.

[Mikl C]

It's making me hot. ELEPHANT SEX MEH

[rwsmith]

I would think that the only Omega-level mutants are the ones capable of altering reality itself or tearing things apart and rebuilding them at a molecular level. That means that Phoenix, Cable (at full power), X-man, Stryfe, Proteus, Legion and the Scarlett Witch are the only Omega-level mutants out there. Just a handful. That's the way it should be anyway, at least IMO.

[Flâneur]

It's making me hot. ELEPHANT SEX MEH

*uses his trunk on Mikl*:p

[Pach!]

*uses his trunk on Mikl*:p

LOL. This thread is so much more entertaining than I expected.

[Dagger]

I would think that the only Omega-level mutants are the ones capable of altering reality itself or tearing things apart and rebuilding them at a molecular level. That means that Phoenix, Cable (at full power), X-man, Stryfe, Proteus, Legion and the Scarlett Witch are the only Omega-level mutants out there. Just a handful. That's the way it should be anyway, at least IMO.
Don't forget Franklin Richards and Mad Jim Jaspers.

[Dagger]

Honey, I'd bring out the double header. A to A!
This explains why you like Claremont's work so much! You're into S&M!!

[Mikl C]

Is a double header a double ended dildo? LMAO.

[Nachturne]

Gambit!! :D

[Dagger]

Is a double header a double ended dildo? LMAO.
*in a school girl voice* Yes! *giggle, chortle, snort*

[Flâneur]

Wouldn't a double ended dildo be kind of hard to use? =/

[Mikl C]

Nah you just...
i have said too much.

[Flâneur]

Nah you just...
i have said too much.

CONTINUE TO UNFOLD THE WISDOM OF THE AGES. BY DIAGRAMS AND PICTORIALS OF YOURSELF ON WEBCAM IF NECCESSARY.

wooh ... dizzy

[Mikl C]

CONTINUE TO UNFOLD THE WISDOM OF THE AGES. BY DIAGRAMS AND PICTORIALS OF YOURSELF ON WEBCAM IF NECCESSARY.

wooh ... dizzy

I charge $4.95 a minute. First 5 minutes are free.

Erm. Omega.

[Dagger]

I charge $4.95 a minute. First 5 minutes are free.

Erm. Omega.
1-900-MIK-LOMEG:p

[Flâneur]

I charge $4.95 a minute. First 5 minutes are free.

Erm. Omega.

PAYS MONIEZZZ

omga!!

[Brian M.]

Ult. Bishop brought up a point about Bobby that I'd never thought of. He asked Bobby if he ever tried to slow down any other molecules besides water. Got me thinking that Bobby's power could do more then just ice.

[The Fury]

Ult. Bishop brought up a point about Bobby that I'd never thought of. He asked Bobby if he ever tried to slow down any other molecules besides water. Got me thinking that Bobby's power could do more then just ice.

I'm sure in the comics he's done the whole making something so cold it breaks easily...right?

He did it in the Cartoon.

[Brian M.]

I'm sure in the comics he's done the whole making something so cold it breaks easily...right?

He did it in the Cartoon.

Well what if it's not just water molecules he can control...and what he can speed up molecules instead of slowing them down. Has he been shown to go from Moisture > Water > Ice then back to Water < Moisture? Maybe it's not just the HO2 that he controls...

[rwsmith]

Well, I don't think he should be able to speed molecules up, but what if he could slow down other things besides just water molecules? I mean, he could be kind of like Hiro from 'Heroes' or Sway from 'Deadly Genesis' and could basically "freeze" (pun intended) everything around him. That might be cool.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Is a double header a double ended dildo? LMAO.

0_o what kind of thread is this? (sad thing is I've seen gay guys use one :eek: )

[Cain Marko]

Since no mutant has unlimited power, "Omega" as defined by X-Men Forever is dubious at best. With such a subjective ranking I don't see why Magneto wouldn't qualify. For all practical purposes he can draw on as much power as his body can handle at a given time.

[tetragene]

Funny enough, we had tetra seriously trying to argue Dazzler's Omega status in the previous Omega thread. It's almost as if we took these endless pot shots at whichever Claremont pet of the moment (deosn't matter who, Betsy, Sage, Kitty, Rachel, Jean, Ororo, Rogue, Dani, Amara, Illyana, etc) switched out the name, sprinkled on some magic pixie glitter, and a certain fanbase would nearly break their heels with the about face reversal we'd see in response to the comments. From embittered detraction to simpleminded promotion in just a few keystrokes... the only element to remain would likely be hive-like self congradulation/handjobs.

I wasn't arguing that she definitely way--but that she could have possibly been. And "seriously arguing"--didn't I have like...one post? Where I only pointed out obvious examples of extreme power usages? A few examples of mega power usages =/= Claremont's pet character "pull random super-mega-uber power out of ass every couple of issues". Also trying to take posthots at me =/= intelligent

[Brian M.]

Well, I don't think he should be able to speed molecules up, but what if he could slow down other things besides just water molecules? I mean, he could be kind of like Hiro from 'Heroes' or Sway from 'Deadly Genesis' and could basically "freeze" (pun intended) everything around him. That might be cool.

Well you figure if he can slow them down he might be able to speed them up. It was a throw away line in Ult X-Men but it got me thinking, he's right, what if his control isn't just H2O molecules.

[Flâneur]

Well what if it's not just water molecules he can control...and what he can speed up molecules instead of slowing them down. Has he been shown to go from Moisture > Water > Ice then back to Water < Moisture? Maybe it's not just the HO2 that he controls...
Doesn't he kinda do that already when he shifts his ice into flesh? Which presents another interesting posibility - Bobby the healer.
Well, I don't think he should be able to speed molecules up, but what if he could slow down other things besides just water molecules? I mean, he could be kind of like Hiro from 'Heroes' or Sway from 'Deadly Genesis' and could basically "freeze" (pun intended) everything around him. That might be cool.
You mean like Piper from Charmed? Because it would be horrible if Bobby started doing that .. =/
0_o what kind of thread is this? (sad thing is I've seen gay guys use one :eek: )
You've actually seen gay guys use one in person? Wow, you really do lead a risque life.