Ernst is not Cassandra Nova

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

During the end of Morrison's Run Nova told Martha she could call her "Ernst" and this lead everyone to believe that Nova had been Ernst the entire time, but that doesn't make sense.

If the X-Men knew she was Ernst wouldn't they have freaked out when Ernst joined Xorn/Magneto's Brotherhood? Nova+Magneto wouldn't have been good at all

And then after Morrison when the Mansion was destroyed Beast and Cyclops freaked out that Nova wasn't in the basement anymore.....but if she had been Ernst she never would've even been in the basement at all

So i think either:

#1 Nova at the end of "here comes tomorrow" was Nova inside of Ernst the way she tried to get into Hisako, or;

#2 Martha was semi-altzheimerish and just thought Nova was ernst b/c they're both old ladies


(you have to remember that Nova's body was destroyed by the nanites she injected into herself. The mansion was destroyed while ernst was part of Magneto's team (so nova being in the basement AND in the Brotherhood would've been impossible)


I think Ernst was just meant to be a little mutant girl who's power was physically to look old

[Sentinel K]

Morrison said in an interview that Ernst was Nova.

I believe him.

Cos he wrote it.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

From reading the issues.....it doesn't make sense....wether that's what he intended or not...there are things that don't fit

And interviews can be faked ;)

[Beast]

We don't know that for sure yet. Ernst looks just like the child-like version of Cassandra Nova being mentally re-educated by simulacra of Xavier and Jean on the mental plane after she was defeated. We know now that Cassie/Stuff has been being kept in that box in the basement, but there are still ways to explain Ernst. Such as her being a portion of Stuff that was seperated from the main body to rehabilitate Cassandra Nova. Or she was a psychic projection of Martha, who was assisting Xavier and Jean in Cassandra Nova's rehab. Or much like how Emma had a portion of Cassie in her head, so does Ernst. There are certainly still questions, and even Marvel isn't sure to the answer. The last handbook that featured Ernst suggested that there was some connection.

[Affinity]

I wish this could be explained. Ernst showed up in the 198 Files aaaaaaand in New X-Men, Emma allowing her to be exempt from that massive New X-Men team-choosing battle.

Maybe someone like Carey can try and explain her. Or maybe just let her drift around? It's a little too convoluted for me.

[Beast]

Agreed, Affinity. She needs to be explained or at least dealt with. Like you, I figured Whedon was going to explain the connection when we saw Emma purposefully exempt her from the New X-Men battle. Who else was in the exempt group? I know Nehzno was. But wasn't there two others? Maybe Martha and...?

[Pach!]

Agreed, Affinity. She needs to be explained or at least dealt with. Like you, I figured Whedon was going to explain the connection when we saw Emma purposefully exempt her from the New X-Men battle. Who else was in the exempt group? I know Nehzno was. But wasn't there two others? Maybe Martha and...?

Laurie wasn't in the fight either.

[Affinity]

Wallflower, Blindfold, Ernst, and Nezhno.

You're right, though, you'd think the specific mention of her implied something.

I remember totally loving the way Jiminez drew her!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

But if Nova is Ernst....who deconstructed her from the Ernst form back into Stuff (since her body IS dead) and then stuffed her in an X-men proof box?

And if Nova really is Ernst wouldn't they be, I dunno a lil more cautious/suspicious of her? Or at least verbally acknowledge "Ernst is cassandra nova"


like I said before...it doesn't make too much sense

[Jake V]

As of right now, it appears Ernst isn't Cassandra Nova.

When Morrison was writing the book, she definitely was. While no, he never came right out and said they were the same character, all the clues were right there for the readers who bothered to pay attention.

[Affinity]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3723/ernsthr5.png

Hee! So cute.

[Beast]

But if Nova is Ernst....who deconstructed her from the Ernst form back into Stuff (since her body IS dead) and then stuffed her in an X-men proof box?

And if Nova really is Ernst wouldn't they be, I dunno a lil more cautious/suspicious of her? Or at least verbally acknowledge "Ernst is cassandra nova"

like I said before...it doesn't make too much sense
Who said they did. Ernst could be a seperate chunk of Stuff. A portion that was seperated so that Cassie could interact with people. We saw the large Cassie/Stuff monster and Cassie/Ernst as seperate beings in Cassandra/Stuff's mind. Or as I said above, maybe she's something else. A psychic projection via Martha or tendrils of Cassandra Nova in someone else's body. Much like with her tendrils in Emma or in Armor right now.

Why? From what we saw in Planet X, Here Comes Tommorow, and Bright New Mourning, the only people who seem to be aware that Ernst was Cassie is Xavier, Jean, and Martha. One who left the school, one who was dead, and one who was Ernst's friend. If Xavier, Jean, and Martha were trying to rehabilitate Cassie, they might not have told anyone who she really was. Xorn certainly didn't know who she was, as was noted by his dialogue.

It makes as much sense as anything in comic books.

[Jake V]

But if Nova is Ernst....who deconstructed her from the Ernst form back into Stuff (since her body IS dead) and then stuffed her in an X-men proof box?
Whedon screwed up. He never payed attention to the stories Morrison wrote that he claimed to be such a fan of.


And if Nova really is Ernst wouldn't they be, I dunno a lil more cautious/suspicious of her? Or at least verbally acknowledge "Ernst is cassandra nova"
They didn't know. The only ones who knew were Professor X and Jean Grey, because they're the ones who reprogrammed Stuff when Cassandra was inside her.


like I said before...it doesn't make too much sense

It makes perfect sense if you pay attention to the story.

[Affinity]

True, when I was looking at those Planet X issues, Ernst talks like a little child. She refers to Xorn as "Mister Xorn" and doesn't comprehend Xorn being Magneto all along (at the time, lolololol.)

[Jake V]

True, when I was looking at those Planet X issues, Ernst talks like a little child. She refers to Xorn as "Mister Xorn" and doesn't comprehend Xorn being Magneto all along (at the time, lolololol.)

Well, yeah. They reduced Cassandra's mind to "the status of a pocket calculator" and programmed her to learn.

She wouldn't have the vast psychic powers that Cassandra did.

[Beast]

Well, yeah. They reduced Cassandra's mind to "the status of a pocket calculator" and programmed her to learn.

She wouldn't have the vast psychic powers that Cassandra did.
That's why the two seperate portions of Stuff makes the most sense.

Maybe they hoped to intigrate the reformed Ernst/Cassie with the Stuff/Cassie in the box at some point.

[Phil Hunn]

Well, yeah. They reduced Cassandra's mind to "the status of a pocket calculator" and programmed her to learn.

She wouldn't have the vast psychic powers that Cassandra did.

Indeed. This is why she only managed to learn how to shape Stuff into an approximation of her old self a long time after the Xavier Institute had fallen to bits.

Cassandra was Ernst, Ernst was Cassandra.

[Jake V]

Indeed. This is why she only managed to learn how to shape Stuff into an approximation of her old self a long time after the Xavier Institute had fallen to bits.

Cassandra was Ernst, Ernst was Cassandra.

And adopted Xavier's teachings after a lifetime of learning them.

Its astounding how actual professional comic book writers can't figure this stuff out.

[dotdotdot]

just to reiterate: in morrison's run ernst was nova and it made sense.
oh well.

[Beast]

just to reiterate: in morrison's run ernst was nova and it made sense.
oh well.
It can still make sense. But I don't think Whedon cares enough to explain.

He's already said that he has no intention to explain how Ord stole Colossus body or why Lockheed is working with S.W.O.R.D., among other things. So we can just add this to the stack.

[dotdotdot]

It can still make sense. But I don't think Whedon cares enough to explain.

He's already said that he has no intention to explain how Ord stole Colossus body or why Lockheed is working with S.W.O.R.D., among other things. So we can just add this to the stack.

oh someone can still do something with the idea, but at the moment it's another ridiculous x-blunder. so much so that maybe it's just better left forgotten. also, is this one of those times where you're making up what a creator has said or can you post an interview or something to confirm this?

[The Fury]

It can still make sense. But I don't think Whedon cares enough to explain.

He's already said that he has no intention to explain how Ord stole Colossus body or why Lockheed is working with S.W.O.R.D., among other things. So we can just add this to the stack.

Wait...he's not going to explain any of that?...why?

It's his job.

[Jake V]

Wait...he's not going to explain any of that?...why?

It's his job.

No, his job is to turn in 24 scripts of Astonishing X-Men that will be turned into comics that people will then want to buy.

[Beast]

also, is this one of those times where you're making up what a creator has said or can you post an interview or something to confirm this?
I never make up what creators say. Don't be so condescending.

He said it. It was in an interview recently. You'll have to find it.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

It isn't necessarily something Joss needs to address....as far as I'm concerned Nova is trapped in the basement inside Stuff

[dotdotdot]

I never make up what creators say. Don't be so condescending.

He said it. It was in an interview recently. You'll have to find it.

no. we've been over this. remember how supposedly brubaker hates the x-men? if it comes from you it's not really reliable information, no offense. and your reluctance to back it up is always the kicker. let me know if you come across it again at some point.

[Beast]

no. we've been over this. remember how supposedly brubaker hates the x-men? if it comes from you it's not really reliable information, no offense. and your reluctance to back it up is always the kicker. let me know if you come across it again at some point.
I never said he hated the X-Men. Now you're just twisting words. Like I said, find the interview yourself.

[The Fury]

No, his job is to turn in 24 scripts of Astonishing X-Men that will be turned into comics that people will then want to buy.
I can do that. Why aren't Marvel giving me a job?

And writing those comic involves creating characterisations of characters, new and old, writing a script from which an artist has to interpret (as well as inker and colourist) and which the letterer has to use to put speach bubbles on the pages. Creating a plot within that script and i tell you, writing reasons and explaining certain changes he makes to already known characters would make a hell of a lot difference and give him more respect then current he has if he really said that. If he just has stuff happen and never explains it then he's a piss poor writer and a lazy one at that and needs to leave X-men alone and stick to Buffy.

[dotdotdot]

I never said he hated the X-Men. Now you're just twisting words. Like I said, find the interview yourself.

nah we had to quote that interview for something inaccurate you put in brubaker's mouth. but anyway, seriously, if you happen to come across it post it. or anyone else. hard to address it otherwise.
i bet most of it will be left in the air, though. lockheed is an alien, thus he falls in line with someone s.w.o.r.d. would choose. that might be all there is to that. ord stole collosus' body somehow. he's capable of it. a scene depicting that would be great, but it also might not really be necessary to anything. it might just make as much sense as it needs to for him to tell his story.

edited for niceties

[Jake V]

I can do that. Why aren't Marvel giving me a job?

whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine

No one outside maybe a dozen people on whatever boards you post on would be interested in what stories you write.

Whedon's stories sell, yours never will. Thats why he's writing the X-Men.

[Phil Hunn]

No one outside maybe a dozen people on whatever boards you post on would be interested in what stories you write.

Whedon's stories sell, yours never will. Thats why he's writing the X-Men.

How do you know his stories would never sell? The comics he produces might be works of genius.

Until they're in print, you can't make any sort of assertions one way or another.

[Jake V]

How do you know his stories would never sell? The comics he produces might be works of genius.
Whedon's stories don't sell because of quality, they sell because of his name. The same goes for most comics.


Until they're in print, you can't make any sort of assertions one way or another.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats goes against the first rule of the internets!

[Beast]

Can we get back to the proof that Ernst is not Cassandra Nova, please!!

Oh wait, there isn't any. Carry on. :D

[dotdotdot]

Whedon's stories don't sell because of quality, they sell because of his name. The same goes for most comics.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats goes against the first rule of the internets!

plenty of us aren't buying this book due to whedon's name. sorry to break that to you.

[Flight]

Why do all of Ice Cream Emma Frost's threads get derailed?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Why, oh why...?

[Jake V]

plenty of us aren't buying this book due to whedon's name. sorry to break that to you.

Oh sorry. Cassadays name applies as well.

It certainly can't be for the story.

[dotdotdot]

Oh sorry. Cassadays name applies as well.

It certainly can't be for the story.

seriously, plenty of us buy it because we adore the story and artwork. i can't imagine what sort of dumbass buys something simply for a name. take this invalid point outside.

[Jake V]

seriously, plenty of us buy it because we adore the story and artwork. i can't imagine what sort of dumbass buys something simply for a name. take this invalid point outside.

You know it still applies. Maybe not 100% of the time, but theres plenty of people who buy plenty of comics because of the creative team.

Just because your imagination is limited doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[Beast]

seriously, plenty of us buy it because we adore the story and artwork. i can't imagine what sort of dumbass buys something simply for a name. take this invalid point outside.
It's not an invalid point. Why do you think there's a Bookshelf/Bookstore Edition of the first Whedon HC. Where it hypes up Whedon so much that the fact it's an X-Men book is almost completely overshadowed.

People do follow certain writers, no matter what they do. Look at all the people who jumped on board for Morrison's New X-Men run who never had read X-Men before.

[dotdotdot]

It's not an invalid point. Why do you think there's a Bookshelf/Bookstore Edition of the first Whedon HC. Where it hypes up Whedon so much that the fact it's an X-Men book is almost completely overshadowed.

People do follow certain writers, no matter what they do. Look at all the people who jumped on board for Morrison's New X-Men run who never had read X-Men before.

There's a bookshelf edition due to the praise the book gets. By people who aren't fans of the rest of Whedon's work as well. Not because of his name. It's a retarded point. Following a writer you admire is also not the same as buying some book strictly for a name. Guy was implying that people who purchase the book don't know a good story, they're just surrendering to their serenity fanlove or something.
Cripes. Sorry you don't like a book. Do not make ridiculous assumptions about people who purchase it.

[Jake V]

There's a bookshelf edition due to the praise the book gets. By people who aren't fans of the rest of Whedon's work as well. Not because of his name. It's a retarded point. Following a writer you admire is also not the same as buying some book strictly for a name. Guy was implying that people who purchase the book don't know a good story, they're just surrendering to their serenity fanlove or something.
Cripes. Sorry you don't like a book. Do not make ridiculous assumptions about people who purchase it.

They did watch Buffy for 7 seasons.

[Beast]

There's a bookshelf edition due to the praise the book gets. By people who aren't fans of the rest of Whedon's work as well. Not because of his name. It's a retarded point. Following a writer you admire is also not the same as buying some book strictly for a name. Guy was implying that people who purchase the book don't know a good story, they're just surrendering to their serenity fanlove or something.
Cripes. Sorry you don't like a book. Do not make ridiculous assumptions about people who purchase it.
Bull. The only reason there's a variant cover that hypes up the writer's name is to attract the writer's fans. Not every book gets a variant cover like that. Just marketable names that have fans outside comics. That way B&N can stock the Bookstore Edition and sell them to the fans of certain writers. Just look at the various Bookstore Editions that have been released, they're all targeted to appeal to fans of the writer... not the property.

[dotdotdot]

Bull. The only reason there's a variant cover that hypes up the writer's name is to attract the writer's fans. Not every book gets a variant cover like that. Just marketable names that have fans outside comics. That way Barnes & Noble can stock the Bookstore Edition and sell them to the fans of certain writers. Just look at the various Bookstore Editions that have been released, they're all targeted to appeal to fans of the writer... not the property.

oh wait i see what you mean. why would you want those editions for writers who don't have that outside appeal?
i thought you were upset about the regular old marvel HC edition. the books chosen for that are simply the ones getting praised by the critics, which doesn't happen due to simple name recognition.

[Jake V]

oh wait i see what you mean. why would you want those editions for writers who don't have that outside appeal?
i thought you were upset about the regular old marvel HC edition. the books chosen for that are simply the ones getting praised by the critics, which doesn't happen due to simple name recognition.

They did one for Orson Scott Card's Ultimate Iron Man mini. Which wasn't praised by anyone.

[Brian M.]

I'm reading Astonishing for Cyclops and Beast. That's it.

[dotdotdot]

They did one for Orson Scott Card's Ultimate Iron Man mini. Which wasn't praised by anyone.

i recall seeing quite a bit of praise for this. though i think most were let down by the expectation. even so, you might be right. it doesn't really help disprove my statement though. you have all seen all the praise astonishing has gotten from critics, creators, fans. it's not due to buffy. it's as simple as that.

[Beast]

No. They're for the ones who have fans outside of comics.

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0603/axmmock.jpg

Who's this being marketed to? X-Men fans or Whedon fans?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Astonishing isn't even like Buffy....I mean who's Helfreck in Astonishing?

Lockheed could be Ms. Kittyfantastico...and we all know what happened to her

[Beast]

They did one for Orson Scott Card's Ultimate Iron Man mini. Which wasn't praised by anyone.
The recent Storm Mini got one also. And it was considered pretty bad.

[Phil Hunn]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats goes against the first rule of the internets!

:o You're absolutely right, it does. Stupid intarwebz, derailing my arguments...

:mad:


Why do all of Ice Cream Emma Frost's threads get derailed?

Because it's funny?


It's not an invalid point. Why do you think there's a Bookshelf/Bookstore Edition of the first Whedon HC. Where it hypes up Whedon so much that the fact it's an X-Men book is almost completely overshadowed.

Indeed. As the above picture demonstrates.

[Affinity]

It can still make sense. But I don't think Whedon cares enough to explain.

He's already said that he has no intention to explain how Ord stole Colossus body or why Lockheed is working with S.W.O.R.D., among other things. So we can just add this to the stack.

He's not explaining Lockheed?


No. They're for the ones who have fans outside of comics.

<SNIP>

Who's this being marketed to? X-Men fans or Whedon fans?

Why, Laura Martin fans, of course!

Whoever designed that cover needs to get fired. They didn't even try to make it look good. Oh jeez and that nasty bevel/emboss! *shudders*

[Beast]

Astonishing isn't even like Buffy....I mean who's Helfreck in Astonishing?

Lockheed could be Ms. Kittyfantastico...and we all know what happened to her
There's plent of pararrels. Especially conisering Buffy was based on Kitty. :p

[dotdotdot]

No. They're for the ones who have fans outside of comics.

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0603/axmmock.jpg

Who's this being marketed to? X-Men fans or Whedon fans?

i don't know what you think is so unfair, but even when marvel puts his name huge like that to grab that fanbase, the reason that HC exists is due to the quality of the work. if the book sucked, as far as the critics and fans are concerned, there would either be no HC or it wouldn't have that appearance. i don't know how to make this clearer.
is there some creator you think deserves a similar HC who isn't getting it? please, do tell.

edit: also, disgusting cover. vol 2 better not have that.

[Beast]

He's not explaining Lockheed?
He's not. He's leaving it for someone else to explain or to ignore.

[dotdotdot]

He's not. He's leaving it for someone else to explain or to ignore.

but you have to trust beast on this info.

[Beast]

i don't know what you think is so unfair, but even when marvel puts his name huge like that to grab that fanbase, the reason that HC exists is due to the quality of the work. if the book sucked, as far as the critics and fans are concerned, there would either be no HC or it wouldn't have that appearance. i don't know how to make this clearer.
is there some creator you think deserves a similar HC who isn't getting it? please, do tell.

edit: also, disgusting cover. vol 2 better not have that.
I have no issues with there being a Hardcover. I love the Hardcover format.

I'm just saying that it's clear they're marketing it to Whedon fans and not X-Men fans.

If they were marketing it to X-Men fans, they wouldn't have made a Whedon-hyped variant for bookstores.

And yes, Volume 2 will have a similar cover for the Bookstore edition. As it's meant to attract Whedon fans.

[Affinity]

He's not. He's leaving it for someone else to explain or to ignore.

Is that a fact? He said it? It's so disappointing.

[dotdotdot]

I have no issues with there being a Hardcover. I love the Hardcover format.

I'm just saying that it's clear they're marketing it to Whedon fans and not X-Men fans.

If they were marketing it to X-Men fans, they wouldn't have made a Whedon-hyped variant for bookstores.

And yes, Volume 2 will have a similar cover for the Bookstore edition. Because it's meant to attract Whedon fans.

they aren't marketing it to one fanbase and not the other. don't you think it's pretty obvious that marvel would like x-men fans to purchase it too? think before you post.

[Beast]

but you have to trust beast on this info.
Or bother to find the information.

[Beast]

they aren't marketing it to one fanbase and not the other. don't you think it's pretty obvious that marvel would like x-men fans to purchase it too? think before you post.
Yes, they are. Why do you think it says "From the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer - JOSS WHEDON" in huge letters that overshadow the actual name of the book and the artwork showing what it's about. Those who are X-Men fans have the regular version of the Hardcover. The one that's available from Comic Stores.

[Flight]

Don't bother with him Beast.
dotdotdot could argue in an empty forum.

[Jake V]

they aren't marketing it to one fanbase and not the other. don't you think it's pretty obvious that marvel would like x-men fans to purchase it too? think before you post.

There were 2 covers to the Astonishing hardcover. One was the variant cover for the first issue, and the other was the one with "JOSS WHEDON" in giant letters. They sold that one almost exclusively through bookstores.

[dotdotdot]

Yes, they are. Why do you think it says "From the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer - JOSS WHEDON" in huge letters that overshadow the actual name of the book and the artwork showing what it's about. Those who are X-Men fans have the regular version of the Hardcover. The one that's available from Comic Stores. You should think before you post.

oh alright then what's your point? some guy posted that astonishing is only popular due to the name. people only buy it because it says whedon. then we blew that argument out of the water, and you got mad about an HC.
fair synopsis?

also ernst should be nova. but i don't think there's any way to go back to that at this point. shame.

[dotdotdot]

There were 2 covers to the Astonishing hardcover. One was the variant cover for the first issue, and the other was the one with "JOSS WHEDON" in giant letters. They sold that one almost exclusively through bookstores.

the whole bookstore edition phenomenon is really a shame.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

i don't know what you think is so unfair, but even when marvel puts his name huge like that to grab that fanbase, the reason that HC exists is due to the quality of the work. if the book sucked, as far as the critics and fans are concerned, there would either be no HC or it wouldn't have that appearance. i don't know how to make this clearer.
is there some creator you think deserves a similar HC who isn't getting it? please, do tell.

edit: also, disgusting cover. vol 2 better not have that.



what's even funnier is that there are MORE instances where BUFFY takes from the X-Men then vice versa....if anything Joss has always been trying to write an X-men story using different characters.....I doubt any of those people that are B***itching are even fans of buffy, so how can you make a comparison against something you're not into with something you're obsessed about?

[Beast]

what's even funnier is that there are MORE instances where BUFFY takes from the X-Men then vice versa....if anything Joss has always been trying to write an X-men story using different characters.....I doubt any of those people that are B***itching are even fans of buffy, so how can you make a comparison against something you're not into with something you're obsessed about?
Who's comparing the two? :confused:

[Pyro]

About the Lockheed thing, I think it's just lazy of Whedon not to explore it further, but if he's not going to, I guess we can just assume SWORD recruited him during that period during the first arc where he showed up late to the mansion.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Its lazy to ignore a storyline that you dont have time to tell?

Lockheed's an alien, SWORD deals with Aliens.....at least Whedon gave him something interesting to be than just Kitty Pryde's version of Nibbler

[Affinity]

It'd take a page if he'd try.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I don't care who she turns out to be, she's cool.

[The Fury]

Its lazy to ignore a storyline that you dont have time to tell?

Lockheed's an alien, SWORD deals with Aliens.....at least Whedon gave him something interesting to be than just Kitty Pryde's version of Nibbler
He has time to tell it, 1 panel is all that's needed really.

I'd hope that it was by force that SWORD recruited him, he's had a lot of characterisation over the years and spie for his friends is not one of them.

Although it never helps when a writer says exactly what you did about Kitty Pryde's version of Nibbler. Not only did Lockheed come first but as you know Nibbler is far more then just a cute pet. Lockheed is far more and when Whedon says things like:

"I think that people will be pleased because it's going to give Lockheed a little bit more than 'I show up and I'm cute.'"

Which he did in a Wizard interview, it proves that he doesn't know that character at all.

[streator]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/002265126.cfm

there's the interview (i think) that beast didn't provide.

[jarrod]

Lockheed is far more and when Whedon says things like:

"I think that people will be pleased because it's going to give Lockheed a little bit more than 'I show up and I'm cute.'"

Which he did in a Wizard interview, it proves that he doesn't know that character at all.
Agreed. I'm continually shocked that Whedon claims to be a fan of Ellis Excalibur...

[dotdotdot]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/002265126.cfm

there's the interview (i think) that beast didn't provide.

thanks a bunch. if this is the entire interview, the only thing whedon admits that he isn't going to address is lockheed, and he gives perfectly good explanation for it.