Superman: Doomsday DTV

[MaxofSteel]

Check it out. (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0934706/trailers-screenplay-E32340-10-2)

On IMDb. Looks pretty good IMO.

I also see the "Super Mullet" making a comeback. :p

The character redesigns seem interesting enough too. Supes still looks more or less the same, although Lois looks completely different.

Thoughts? Comments?

Btw, Superman Homepage says the DVD's slated for a September 18th release.

[Ring Slinger]

Looks good, but I'm getting tired of the DCAU "look"-- BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES was stylistically groundbreaking, but that doesn't mean every thing else has to be done exactly the same...I was really hoping they'd take this film the way of some of the newer DC cartoons like Teen Titans or even The Batman. Better yet, how about a page out of Marvel's book and try to create a "serious" animated film done with artwork much more realistic and reflective of comic book art? My wife expressed a preference for the two Ultimate Avenger films over some of the DC Justice League stuff for this very reason.

[Jack Zodiac]

Hopefully, with future projects, they'll stylize them a bit more. I understand them sticking with the "Superman: Animated Series" art style for this one, but when they translate Judas Contract and New Frontier, I hope they do something to stylize the animation to match the art- especially Cooke's. Ooh, man, that's gonna' look sweet!

Also, seventy-five minutes? From the looks of things, it'll focus on the battle and aftermath, not so much the build up with Doomsday and the League and then the battle. So, if they're going to introduce the "Reign of the Supermen" part of the story to the movie, will they be able to fit his death and return in seventy-five minutes?

[Rix]

I don't think they are incorporating "Reign of the Supermen" into the story. Hey, that'll save some time!

[Ring Slinger]

I don't think they are incorporating "Reign of the Supermen" into the story. Hey, that'll save some time!

I don't see it happening either. Steel already has a DCAU origin that's not related to the Death of Superman story, DC can't use the Superboy name so that makes using the character awkward in a first-appearance feature, and Cyborg Superman and Eradicator would require too much back story. It'll be interesting to see what kind of story they manage to piece together for a 75 minute show.

[CaptainCanada]

Steel already has a DCAU origin that's not related to the Death of Superman story
This isn't set in canon with BTAS, STAS, and JLU (hence all the recasting).

Of all the Superman stories to adapt, I wouldn't have picked this one; DoS is an Event of the first magnitude, but it's not much of a story.

[Ilash]

Looks promising. It is a tough story to adapt, seeing as how there really isn't much of one. Here's hoping that if they don't include the Reign stuff, they do expand on Suprman's death in the comic.

And man, what an annoying voice-over for that trailer.

[David Atkins]

I have... slightly more hope for this than I did before watching the trailer. However, I am still not thrilled with some of the changes/omissions.

[Sean Whitmore]

"Based on the best-selling graphic novel of all-time."

Is this really the case? I suppose it makes sense (since even non-comic readers would potentially buy something called "The Death of Superman"), but it's still strange to think about.


SEAN

[CaptainCanada]

"Based on the best-selling graphic novel of all-time."

Is this really the case? I suppose it makes sense (since even non-comic readers would potentially buy something called "The Death of Superman"), but it's still strange to think about.


SEAN
All the copies of "The Death of Superman" trade that I've seen say it is, so I assume it's true.

[CMBMOOL]

I don't see it happening either. Steel already has a DCAU origin that's not related to the Death of Superman story, DC can't use the Superboy name so that makes using the character awkward in a first-appearance feature, and Cyborg Superman and Eradicator would require too much back story. It'll be interesting to see what kind of story they manage to piece together for a 75 minute show.

Agreed, just how will they make this story is a question even to me. :o

[Super Buddies Forever]

Is this really the case? I suppose it makes sense (since even non-comic readers would potentially buy something called "The Death of Superman"), but it's still strange to think about.

As soon as they collected the story the TPB was avaliable everywhere. I remember seeing it on grocery store counters for around five bucks a pop. I don't think any other TPB/graphic novel, even the highly acclaimed ones like Watchmen, had the kind of exposure that Death of Superman got.

Anyway, I'm a bit dissapointed by this trailer. Timm gave the impression that the art would be radically different from the DCAU and in the vein of the original comics. I was expecting to see Jurgens-esque renditions of the characters. Oh well.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Guess that stuff about Superman not being able to bleed anymore isn't true now. Maybe Timm convinced DC that was a really stupid idea.

[cactusmaac]

Supes with the longer hair looks surprisingly good.

[Karl O'Neill]

Looks cool, can't wait.

[Belfast_Fanboy]

Why cant they use the Superboy name?

[Hellcow]

I'd love to see it in a cool style in 3D like Incredibles which would make for better action/camera work....

But I guess they don't have access to offshore sweatshops that are good enough at 3D yet...

[Kara Zor El]

It's no longer available!!!:(

[Kara Zor El]

caught it on YouTube. Looks like the Reign of The Supermen story is there but different. Black Suit Supes with a gun and a cold/hard looking Superman doing the heat vision bit. Maybe the cold/hard looking one is a robot from the fortress. Maybe it is Brainiac, which would fit the Eradicator thing in that continuity.

[dupersuper]

When does this come out?

[Infra-Man]

Really looking forward to how this turns out. Dunno about it being only 75 minutes, though. That's a lot of story for such a short amount of time.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Check it out. (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0934706/trailers-screenplay-E32340-10-2)

On IMDb. Looks pretty good IMO.

I also see the "Super Mullet" making a comeback. :p

The character redesigns seem interesting enough too. Supes still looks more or less the same, although Lois looks completely different.

Thoughts? Comments?

Btw, Superman Homepage says the DVD's slated for a September 18th release.

It looks really cool. Although I tend to agree with Ring Slinger. The DCAU look is getting old already. OTOH, it seems the animation quality is gonna be noticeably higher than in the original series (hell, they're even using some CG scenes), which is really, really GREAT.

Personally, I'll buy this DVD as soon as it hits the stores.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

When does this come out?

September 2007.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Looks good, but I'm getting tired of the DCAU "look"-- BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES was stylistically groundbreaking, but that doesn't mean every thing else has to be done exactly the same...I was really hoping they'd take this film the way of some of the newer DC cartoons like Teen Titans or even The Batman. Better yet, how about a page out of Marvel's book and try to create a "serious" animated film done with artwork much more realistic and reflective of comic book art? My wife expressed a preference for the two Ultimate Avenger films over some of the DC Justice League stuff for this very reason.

The serious approach is what I thought these guys were going to use after I read the original announcement. It said that it was going to resemble the style of the original comic books.

Oh well. At least they're bringing back Superman to the animated front.

[bw38]

why is Superboy's name not available any longer?

Also I couldn't see the trailer. I get a message saying, "Trailer No Longer Available.

[bw38]

Looks good, but I'm getting tired of the DCAU "look"-- BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES was stylistically groundbreaking, but that doesn't mean every thing else has to be done exactly the same...I was really hoping they'd take this film the way of some of the newer DC cartoons like Teen Titans or even The Batman. Better yet, how about a page out of Marvel's book and try to create a "serious" animated film done with artwork much more realistic and reflective of comic book art? My wife expressed a preference for the two Ultimate Avenger films over some of the DC Justice League stuff for this very reason.
Well to be honest, BTAS had different animation than BTNA. And I actually like the animation from BTNA. Although I kind of stopped watching all sorts of superhero cartoons so I don't know what the animation is like right now. I have seen how The Batman a couple of times and the animation makes me sick to say the least. I mean I understand it's a cartoon but it just seems like the art style was toned down for an 5 yr old or something. I'm not sure if Teen Titans is done the same way at The Batman but if it is then I am definitely glad they are going with the art used in STAS.

It looks like it could be a good story. I love the Superman in the black suit. I'm not sure if anyone here ever saw the episode of Superman when Lois Lane goes into the future where Superman (in the black suit) and Lex Luthor are working together. Then the present day Superman and the future Superman briefly see each other and Lois Lane goes back to the present with present day Superman. I think the future Superman looks similar to the one the Superman with the black suit. I think it looks good. It's kind of like Spiderman, his black costume is pretty damn cool. That's not to take anything away from his original costume. I wish they had something similar for Superman (don't know if they ever did something like that for him), where he went through some period where he switched costume and went all black/white.

[Frankie Dennis]

I never really liked the comic, but I enjoy Timm's work so I'm gonna check this out.

So far it looks decent.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

why is Superboy's name not available any longer?


The heirs of Shuster & Siegel are currently in litigation with Time-Warners over the rights to Superboy. As a result, nobody can use the Superboy name for the time being. This is why Superboy is called Superman in the Legion of the Super-Heroes cartoon and possibly why Connor Kent was killed off in Infinite Crisis.

[bw38]

The heirs of Shuster & Siegel are currently in litigation with Time-Warners over the rights to Superboy. As a result, nobody can use the Superboy name for the time being. This is why Superboy is called Superman in the Legion of the Super-Heroes cartoon and possibly why Connor Kent was killed off in Infinite Crisis.

And when did Time-Warner ever get the rights to Superboy?

[Bored at 3:00AM]

And when did Time-Warner ever get the rights to Superboy?

When they acquired DC Comics several decades ago. DC Comics, Warner Brothers, the Cartoon Network, Time Magazine and dozens of others are all part of Time-Warner's multi-media empire.

[bw38]

When they acquired DC Comics several decades ago. DC Comics, Warner Brothers, the Cartoon Network, Time Magazine and dozens of others are all part of Time-Warner's multi-media empire.
Maybe I'm missing something here then. Why would Time Warner stop one of it's properties from being used? Essentially from what I understand it sounds like neither company can use the name Superboy because they are battling for the right to it, but from what your saying are they both the same company? Why would Time Warner be in court over name rights that a company they purchased owns? Further, why would they not let them use it in the first place since they already own that company?

Sorry for the questions. I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

[3D Master]

Maybe I'm missing something here then. Why would Time Warner stop one of it's properties from being used? Essentially from what I understand it sounds like neither company can use the name Superboy because they are battling for the right to it, but from what your saying are they both the same company? Why would Time Warner be in court over name rights that a company they purchased owns? Further, why would they not let them use it in the first place since they already own that company?

Sorry for the questions. I'm just trying to make sense of it all.

They're not fighting over it which each other, they're fighting over it with the Heirs of Schuster & Siegel.

[bw38]

They're not fighting over it which each other, they're fighting over it with the Heirs of Schuster & Siegel.
THis is where I go...OOHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh! I reread what he wrote earlier and I see now what you mean.

[David Atkins]

And man, what an annoying voice-over for that trailer.

I rather liked it. Where were you the day Superman died? I wouldn't say it was particularly great, but it worked (and wasn't especially corny, like the oh-so-painful TCM advertisements for 'Conan the Barbarian' have been, recently).

[dupersuper]

Where were you the day Superman died?

I was in Moncton visiting my aunt and cousins...I was about 15.

[dupersuper]

Well to be honest, BTAS had different animation than BTNA. And I actually like the animation from BTNA. Although I kind of stopped watching all sorts of superhero cartoons so I don't know what the animation is like right now. I have seen how The Batman a couple of times and the animation makes me sick to say the least. I mean I understand it's a cartoon but it just seems like the art style was toned down for an 5 yr old or something. I'm not sure if Teen Titans is done the same way at The Batman but if it is then I am definitely glad they are going with the art used in STAS.

It looks like it could be a good story. I love the Superman in the black suit. I'm not sure if anyone here ever saw the episode of Superman when Lois Lane goes into the future where Superman (in the black suit) and Lex Luthor are working together. Then the present day Superman and the future Superman briefly see each other and Lois Lane goes back to the present with present day Superman. I think the future Superman looks similar to the one the Superman with the black suit. I think it looks good. It's kind of like Spiderman, his black costume is pretty damn cool. That's not to take anything away from his original costume. I wish they had something similar for Superman (don't know if they ever did something like that for him), where he went through some period where he switched costume and went all black/white.

Actually, it was an alternate dimension, not the future...I'm a geek. :o

[bw38]

Actually, it was an alternate dimension, not the future...I'm a geek. :o
well that superman from the alternate dimension looked old. his face just wasn't the same so i figured he may have aged which led me to think it was the future.

[Hawkman]

I guess I'm the only one for whom this trailer did nothing. I'm still looking forward to it, but I'm no more hyped now than I was before watching the trailer.

As for the animation, I agree that it should've been vastly different from the DCAU, if for no other reason than to avoid confusion. All over the Internet I've been reading things implying that people believe this will fit in with established DCAU continuity. Considering various other stuff has been altered (ie, voices, certain characters' looks, etc.), I can only assume it's the general style that's giving folks this impression.

I don't dislike Timm & co.'s work visually in the least; far from it, as a matter of fact. However, if they're going to go off and do other things to supposedly seperate themselves from JLU and the like, then they might as well have gone all out. I was hoping for a more traditional comic book feel myself, ala the Ultimate Avengers films, but such was not to be I guess.

[MaxofSteel]

As for the animation, I agree that it should've been vastly different from the DCAU, if for no other reason than to avoid confusion. All over the Internet I've been reading things implying that people believe this will fit in with established DCAU continuity. Considering various other stuff has been altered (ie, voices, certain characters' looks, etc.), I can only assume it's the general style that's giving folks this impression.

I don't dislike Timm & co.'s work visually in the least; far from it, as a matter of fact. However, if they're going to go off and do other things to supposedly seperate themselves from JLU and the like, then they might as well have gone all out. I was hoping for a more traditional comic book feel myself, ala the Ultimate Avengers films, but such was not to be I guess.

Seconded on this.

As long as Timm is directly involved in the art department, I doubt future films will look drastically different from past incarnations.

I still love Timm's style nonetheless, but like a few other folks around here I would have hoped for something a little more different this time around.

[Miner]

I just found a clip that gives more background about the Film and has some interesting interviews. I like tha stroryboard backgrounds that go through the whole clip. Also some Audio from the movie, including a cool Lex line.

Check it out: http://www.warnervideo.com/supermandoomsdaydvd/

[Froggy]

Seconded on this.

As long as Timm is directly involved in the art department, I doubt future films will look drastically different from past incarnations.

I still love Timm's style nonetheless, but like a few other folks around here I would have hoped for something a little more different this time around. thirded as well

[Phil3940]

check out ! http://www.warnervideo.com/supermandoomsdaydvd/

[Mon-el]

The search function up top ^ is your friend.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=173498

[DavidAllred]

check out ! http://www.warnervideo.com/supermandoomsdaydvd/

OMG I am beyond pumped... I think this is more exciting than the new Batman film. :)

[TimT]

OMG I am beyond pumped... I think this is more exciting than the new Batman film. :)
I hope that was sarcasm. Otherwise, I'm concerned for you that you will be setting yourself up for disappointment. I'm a huge Superman fan and I really wish we could get a Great...I mean Great Superman movie on the big screen, but so far they've just been good+. Meanwhile, the animated Superman's have varied from Good to Very Good at times bordering on Greatness. But, as much as I hope this animated Superman vs. Doomsday is Very Good+, I have no illusions. It's not going to be as good as the Batman Begins film and doubtful it will be as good as the next Batman film. But, I like your optimism!

[Bradpinder]

as a big fan of the Bruce Timm produced animated movies im so damn happy that this story is being told in the format that it is. The distruction avaliable withen the animated format is spetacular, im thinking of the fight with Cap Marvel furing the JLU 'CLash" episode... and well times it by 100

[Ricardo865]

I hope that if this Movie i s as god as it looks. If This Movie an the other 2 that are on their way worked the next project they should start working on is Batman:Knightfall Trilogy. Also this are other titles Dc Universe Animation should Produce:
- Batman:Ten Nights of the Beast
- Batman:A Death in the Family
- Batman:Under the Hood
- Superman:Our Worlds at War
- Green Lantern:Emerald Twilight
- Green Lantern:Rebirth
- Captain Atom Armageddon
- Crisis on Infinite Earths
- Armageddon 2001
- Zero Hour
- The Final Night
- Infinite Crisis
- 52
- Kingdom Come (In 3D)

At This Point in time Dc Comics is Superior to Marvel Comics in Story Telling
and in animation. I now that there planing to release Dr. Strange an it looks really god but if they want to do god story's this are some stories they should produce:
- The Sentry
- The Complete Onslaught Saga
- Age of Apocalypse
- Annihilation
- House of M
- Civil War
- World War Hulk
- The Infinite Gauntlet Saga
ETC...

I also think that DC an Marvel Should Produce there crossover stories and I mean every one of them also crossovers with other companies:
- Superman vs Spider Man
- Superman and Spider Man
- Batman vs The Incredible Hulk
- The Uncanny X-Men/The New Teen Titans
- Batman/Punisher
- Punisher/Batman
- Silver Surfer/Superman
- Batman & Captain America
- The Incredible Hulk vs Superman
- Daredevil and Batman
- Spider Man and Batman
- Batman & Spider Man
- Green Lantern/Silver Surfer: Unholy Alliances
- Galactus vs Darkseid: The Hunger
- Superman/Fantastic Four
- X-Men and the Legion of Super-Heroes
- Mantis and the Justice League
- DC vs Marvel
- A.L.L ACCESS
- Unlimited Access
- JLA/AVENGERS
- Spider Man/Gen13
- Generation X/Gen13
- Team X/Team 7
- Witchblade/Wolverine
- The Darkness/Hulk
- Batman/Danger Girl
- THE DARKNESS/BATMAN
- THE DARKNESS/SUPERMAN #1-2
- JLA/CYBERFORCE
- JLA/WITCHBLADE
- JLA/WildC.A.T.s
- Planetary/Batman: Night on Earth
- The Authority/Lobo
- The Authority/Lobo Spring Break Massacre
- Batman/Hellboy/Starman #1-2
- Batman/Grendel #1-2
- Batman/Grendel II #1-2
- Judge Dredd vs Lobo: Psycho-Bikers vs. The Mutants From Hell
- Worlds Collide
- Superman/Thundercats
- Superman and the Masters of the Universe
- Superman & Savage Dragon 1 & 2
- Superman vs The Terminator
- Superman/Aliens
- Superman/Aliens 2
- Superman vs Predator
- Green Lantern vs Aliens
- Batman/Judge Dredd Cuatrilogy
- Predator vs. Judge Dredd
- Judge Dredd vs. Aliens: "Incubus" #1-4
- JLA/Witchblade
- Batman/Spawn: War Devil
- Spawn/Batman
- Spawn/Batman:Inner Demons
- Batman vs Predator Trilogy
- Batman/Aliens
- Batman/Aliens 2
- JLA vs Predator
- Superman and Batman vs Aliens and Predator
- WildC.A.T.s/Aliens
- World War 3: Marvel/Wildstorm crossover
- Darkness/Wolverine
- Ciber Force/X-Men
- WildC.A.T.s/X-Men
- Witchblade/Punisher
- WildC.A.T.S/Cyber Force:Killer Instinct
- Spawn/WildC.A.T.S. #1-4
- RoboCop Vs The Terminator
- Aliens vs. Predator vs. The Terminator
- Savage Dragon/Spawn

There are others that were never Publish but They also sound Good Fore Production.

[mattx110]

There are others that were never Publish but They also sound Good Fore Production.

that's a hell of a first post.

and i love the "(possible spoilers)" in the thread title. i can think of a couple good spoiler type things that you're all gonna see coming a mile away, and i didn't watch the trailer.

[Bradpinder]

funny, i cant see the trailer, the site says 'no trailer avalible'

[Sean Whitmore]

I was able to see some of this the other day, and it looks like it's gonna be a lot of fun. The animation looks right out of the Timmverse, except for a few notable character design changes (Superman has more lines on his face, Lex looks less like Telly Savalas and more like a white J'onn J'onnz).

The writing makes the most of the direct-to-video format, with lots of faux swearing and blood, including a death that will be VERY surprising to Timmverse viewers. The Superman/Doomsday battle is more brutal than anything we've seen on JLU.

Both Lex and Superman are at Silver Age levels of intelligence. There's a great sequence where both of them, at their respective offices, are trying to cure the world's diseases:

Fortress Robot: "Have you cured cancer yet, Kal-El?"
Superman: "I can design a machine that receives faint transmissions from the distant future, sculpt a miniature sun from dwarf-star matter, but I can't find a way to keep human cells from metastasizing."

Mercy: "I know the drill, Lex. What is it, the cure for cancer?"
Lex: "Muscular dystrophy. I can cure every known case with a simple inoculation. Have Swan find a way to slow it to a crawl, turn it into a lifetime treatment program. Right now, it's a mere $300-billion windfall."
Mercy: "Swan's working the AIDS thing."
Lex: "Oh, right. Guess Jerry's Kids will have to wait their turn."


SEAN

[Paul Dee]

Ooh, this sounds promising. Superman's line there sounds right out of All-Star Superman. Nice to see him written with a vast intelligence.

[Bradpinder]

where did you see it? well the bit of it anyway?

[dupersuper]

I hope that if this Movie i s as god as it looks. If This Movie an the other 2 that are on their way worked the next project they should start working on is Batman:Knightfall Trilogy. Also this are other titles Dc Universe Animation should Produce:
- Batman:Ten Nights of the Beast
- Batman:A Death in the Family
- Batman:Under the Hood
- Superman:Our Worlds at War
- Green Lantern:Emerald Twilight
- Green Lantern:Rebirth
- Captain Atom Armageddon
- Crisis on Infinite Earths
- Armageddon 2001
- Zero Hour
- The Final Night
- Infinite Crisis
- 52
- Kingdom Come (In 3D)

At This Point in time Dc Comics is Superior to Marvel Comics in Story Telling
and in animation. I now that there planing to release Dr. Strange an it looks really god but if they want to do god story's this are some stories they should produce:
- The Sentry
- The Complete Onslaught Saga
- Age of Apocalypse
- Annihilation
- House of M
- Civil War
- World War Hulk
- The Infinite Gauntlet Saga
ETC...

I also think that DC an Marvel Should Produce there crossover stories and I mean every one of them also crossovers with other companies:
- Superman vs Spider Man
- Superman and Spider Man
- Batman vs The Incredible Hulk
- The Uncanny X-Men/The New Teen Titans
- Batman/Punisher
- Punisher/Batman
- Silver Surfer/Superman
- Batman & Captain America
- The Incredible Hulk vs Superman
- Daredevil and Batman
- Spider Man and Batman
- Batman & Spider Man
- Green Lantern/Silver Surfer: Unholy Alliances
- Galactus vs Darkseid: The Hunger
- Superman/Fantastic Four
- X-Men and the Legion of Super-Heroes
- Mantis and the Justice League
- DC vs Marvel
- A.L.L ACCESS
- Unlimited Access
- JLA/AVENGERS
- Spider Man/Gen13
- Generation X/Gen13
- Team X/Team 7
- Witchblade/Wolverine
- The Darkness/Hulk
- Batman/Danger Girl
- THE DARKNESS/BATMAN
- THE DARKNESS/SUPERMAN #1-2
- JLA/CYBERFORCE
- JLA/WITCHBLADE
- JLA/WildC.A.T.s
- Planetary/Batman: Night on Earth
- The Authority/Lobo
- The Authority/Lobo Spring Break Massacre
- Batman/Hellboy/Starman #1-2
- Batman/Grendel #1-2
- Batman/Grendel II #1-2
- Judge Dredd vs Lobo: Psycho-Bikers vs. The Mutants From Hell
- Worlds Collide
- Superman/Thundercats
- Superman and the Masters of the Universe
- Superman & Savage Dragon 1 & 2
- Superman vs The Terminator
- Superman/Aliens
- Superman/Aliens 2
- Superman vs Predator
- Green Lantern vs Aliens
- Batman/Judge Dredd Cuatrilogy
- Predator vs. Judge Dredd
- Judge Dredd vs. Aliens: "Incubus" #1-4
- JLA/Witchblade
- Batman/Spawn: War Devil
- Spawn/Batman
- Spawn/Batman:Inner Demons
- Batman vs Predator Trilogy
- Batman/Aliens
- Batman/Aliens 2
- JLA vs Predator
- Superman and Batman vs Aliens and Predator
- WildC.A.T.s/Aliens
- World War 3: Marvel/Wildstorm crossover
- Darkness/Wolverine
- Ciber Force/X-Men
- WildC.A.T.s/X-Men
- Witchblade/Punisher
- WildC.A.T.S/Cyber Force:Killer Instinct
- Spawn/WildC.A.T.S. #1-4
- RoboCop Vs The Terminator
- Aliens vs. Predator vs. The Terminator
- Savage Dragon/Spawn

There are others that were never Publish but They also sound Good Fore Production.

Don't forger Superman/Gen13...I actually liked that 1 alot.