new ultimate x-men team

[bbmakdaddycomics]

any predictions on the new x-men bishop is forming?
mine are:

Bishop
Storm

Sunfire
Thunderbird
Banshee

Maybe Shard, Malcom, Randall

[ThePhenom]

Bearing in mind, I haven't read UXM in a while...

I'm thinking...

Bishop (team leader) - half taking Wolvie's role, half taking Prof. X's
Havok (as he was expelled from Frost's academy last I knew) - pretty much Cyclops
Polaris (for Alex) - Jean to the Cyclops
Beast
Storm (a lot of trouble between the two)
Iceman
Pyro - love triangle in reverse, instead of Rogue
Kitty Pryde

Cyclops and Jean taking some time out, Wolverine too...

[rwsmith]

Yannick Paquette already confirmed that Wolverine would be on the team on this very board.

My predictions:

Bishop
Storm
Wolverine
Beast
Rogue
Iceman

And I predict that Scott and Jean will run the school with Banshee joining as a supporting cast member.

Not very "all new, all different," so I'm probably wrong, but I don't have anything else to go on. Kirkman will probably introduce some new characters in the next couple of issues who will join.

[Babykhris]

Looking at the way things are going I see like 4 X teams coming out of this storyline

Team 1:Bishop's team:
Ok we know him and Storm are in, someone says Wolverine will be on the team ( I think after his mini series),so we need like 3-4 more members I chose.

Wolfsbane-Xavier tried to get her so did SHIELD, but with the Sentinels back she's gonna need safety. Kill all her freakshow friends off except Puck, who can flee to Canada and add her to the team.
Warpath-His brother gets killed by a Sentinel that makes him join.
Shatterstar-Refugee from Genosha (Freeing him means more ULTIMATE DEADPOOL)
Jubilee-Every X-Men incarnation almost always have the young rookie female mutant and when u think of Jubilee you think of Wolverine.

Bishop's team could focus on the Sentinels, plus I have a feeling young Bishop may be involved somehow.

Team Two: Academy Of Tomorrow

Why does everyone want to break up the "strongest" team in the Ultimate Universe. Yeah I said it. On paper they have
Havok,Polaris,Sunpsot,Cannonball,Northstar, Angel, and now Colossus.
What they lacked in military training they will get from Colossus and Angel taking over the training. The only thing is they lack any enemies.

Shinobi Shaw may be a threat in the future, but they need a present one so how about Omega Red. He's doing nothing in Ultimate Spider Man or better yet The Ultimate Acolytes,who they should easily beat.

Team 3: Cyclops' School
So far it looks like Cyclops, Toad, Jean & Banshee will be running the school.

Students seems to be Rogue,Ice Man,Grizzly. I don't see them doing many missions, but i do see a handful of new mutants showing up like maybe Husk(Cannonball's sister),Aurora (Northstar's sister) joins on recommendation of Wolverine and is very homophobic and X-23 a plant in the school.

Team 4: SHIELD's team aka Ultimate X Factor

With all this Legacy Virus stuff going on it makes sense for SHIELD to have it's own team on stand-by. The members are already there-Quicksilver, Scarlett Witch, Beast and Karma, plus add in maybe a Kitty Pryde and a reformed Multiple Man then the team is set.

To be honest they may need all 4 teams with Apocalyspe, the Legacy Virus, Magneto and the Sentitnels looming.

Now for the other X-Men

Nightcrawler keep him in the Morlocks.
Dazzler NEVER needs to be a X Men again if she wants to be a hero go join the Defenders.

[Brian M.]

Where do you get Banshee?

[Babykhris]

Moira MacTaggert is sending over an Irish instructor to help at the X-Mansion.

[Brian M.]

Moira MacTaggert is sending over an Irish instructor to help at the X-Mansion.

Oh ok. Yea I've not read the issue yet so I didn't know that. Cool.

[Faded]

Bishop
Storm
Wolverine
Northstar
Colossus
and like three "new" Ultimizations

[Greg Anderson]

I have a feeling maybe Pyro will in fact join this team. It'd be both different and new... Maybe Synch? What if Bishop's group is a type of version of Generation X?

[MacLeod]

Pyro
Dazzler
Angel
Wolverine
Storm
Sunspot
Cannonball
Havok
Polaris

[rwsmith]

Well, in the latest Marvel Previews they show the cover to Ultimate X-men #84, but with all of the members of the new team blacked out (you can only see their silhouettes). Still, it's pretty easy to tell who all of them are except for one mystery female:

Bishop - easily recognizable by his cornrows and build
Wolverine - you can see his claws
Angel - you can see his wings
Pyro - recognizable by his goggles (unless it's Cyclops sporting some different ones)
Dazzler - hairstyle and baggy pants
Storm - hairstyle and she's flying next to Angel
Mystery female - kind of looks like Jean or Kitty, but I doubt that it's either

[Novaya Havoc]

Well, in the latest Marvel Previews they show the cover to Ultimate X-men #84, but with all of the members of the new team blacked out (you can only see their silhouettes). Still, it's pretty easy to tell who all of them are except for one mystery female:

Bishop - easily recognizable by his cornrows and build
Wolverine - you can see his claws
Angel - you can see his wings
Pyro - recognizable by his goggles (unless it's Cyclops sporting some different ones)
Dazzler - hairstyle and baggy pants
Storm - hairstyle and she's flying next to Angel
Mystery female - kind of looks like Jean or Kitty, but I doubt that it's either

Pic? Is it online?

[rwsmith]

No. It's in the latest Marvel Previews, but I haven't seen it online anywhere and I don't have a scanner.

But I can assure you, this one girl has to be Dazzler by her hairstyle and clothing.

It does surprise me that Beast doesn't appear to be there. I mean, why bring the guy back if you're not going to put him on the team?

[Novaya Havoc]

No. It's in the latest Marvel Previews, but I haven't seen it online anywhere and I don't have a scanner.

But I can assure you, this one girl has to be Dazzler by her hairstyle and clothing.

I figured she'd be coming back to the team, especially with the cameo a while ago. Can't wait to see this cover for myself!

[lament]

My preference would be:

Colossus
Northstar
Angel
Dazzler
Havok
Polaris
Sunspot
New Character

[Hi-Fi]

Well, in the latest Marvel Previews they show the cover to Ultimate X-men #84, but with all of the members of the new team blacked out (you can only see their silhouettes). Still, it's pretty easy to tell who all of them are except for one mystery female:

Bishop - easily recognizable by his cornrows and build
Wolverine - you can see his claws
Angel - you can see his wings
Pyro - recognizable by his goggles (unless it's Cyclops sporting some different ones)
Dazzler - hairstyle and baggy pants
Storm - hairstyle and she's flying next to Angel
Mystery female - kind of looks like Jean or Kitty, but I doubt that it's either
Any chance the misterious female could be Rogue?

[Omega Alpha]

It does surprise me that Beast doesn't appear to be there. I mean, why bring the guy back if you're not going to put him on the team?

Shock value? Like lots of things Kirkman did, that's what bad writers do.

[rwsmith]

Any chance the misterious female could be Rogue?

Yeah, I suppose so. Grab a copy of the Marvel Previews and check it out next time you're at your local comic shop. It's only $1.

[Richard Bastard]

hm. well. that's not all that new, nor different, as line-ups go in Ultimate X-Men...

[bbmakdaddycomics]

Well, in the latest Marvel Previews they show the cover to Ultimate X-men #84, but with all of the members of the new team blacked out (you can only see their silhouettes). Still, it's pretty easy to tell who all of them are except for one mystery female:

Bishop - easily recognizable by his cornrows and build
Wolverine - you can see his claws
Angel - you can see his wings
Pyro - recognizable by his goggles (unless it's Cyclops sporting some different ones)
Dazzler - hairstyle and baggy pants
Storm - hairstyle and she's flying next to Angel
Mystery female - kind of looks like Jean or Kitty, but I doubt that it's either

is it possible the "pyro" is sunfire
or the mystery woman is x23 or psylocke, maybe lol.

[wingsofdamnation]

where is everybody finding this picture of UXM 84? i'v checked marvel.com and there is no image for it, i checked CBR's news on the latest MArvel previews and once again no pic just a description

[rwsmith]

It can't be found anywhere online. It was in the latest Marvel Previews.

[Novaya Havoc]

is it possible the "pyro" is sunfire
or the mystery woman is x23 or psylocke, maybe lol.

The goggles look like Pyro in the preview.

Maybe Tetragene can scan it in and upload it; I heard he bought the preview mag. I just looked at it in-store.

And yeah. That's DEF Dazzler. Esp since she has a faded out "alternative!!1" X on her shirt, while the others have small, clean logos.

Mystery female is a mystery. She looks waaay too generic.

[Red Lotus]

Moira MacTaggert is sending over an Irish instructor to help at the X-Mansion.

Thats why I think its going to be Siryn. They never said he and everyone will think it going to be Banshee, but then its going to be Siryn.

[lament]

Thats why I think its going to be Siryn. They never said he and everyone will think it going to be Banshee, but then its going to be Siryn.

I have a feeling you're right, but for me, that will be a letdown. We have a Siryn in the 616 Universe. I want a Sean Cassidy.

[Red Lotus]

Well, in the latest Marvel Previews they show the cover to Ultimate X-men #84, but with all of the members of the new team blacked out (you can only see their silhouettes). Still, it's pretty easy to tell who all of them are except for one mystery female:

Pyro - recognizable by his goggles (unless it's Cyclops sporting some different ones)

Could be Cyclops.


yeah, I didn't liked them much either.:o But you'll have to endure them thru 80 also. But if it is of any confort, when i'll return with issue 84 i'll have the chance to redisign everything, costume characters and so on. I've already found some cool glasse for Cyclop.

Also i'll have to slowly morph Bishop to something else....:confused: More on that when you guys will start to bitch about it.

Y-

[rwsmith]

So I guess it could be Cyclops and the mystery female could be Jean, after all. But what's so "new and different" about this line-up: Bishop, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Angel and Dazzler?

No, I think it's got to be Pyro and someone else.

[caney]

Here's my wild-crazy-totally-wrong guess about mystery female (even though I haven't seen the image in question :)). Maybe it's Rogue who has absorbed Bobby's powers "permanently" as he "dies" in one of the next two issues. I think she'd be fun with his powers.

[tetragene]

I was thinking the mystery female was Kitty, since it looks like she has long hair and a skirt. But then again--it seems like she will be a regular on Ult Spider-Man so that wouldn't make too much sense...

bah, I dunno. Dazzler's back on the team, thus I'm happy...as long as Kirkman writes her as well as Vaughn did.

[bbmakdaddycomics]

I was thinking the mystery female was Kitty, since it looks like she has long hair and a skirt. But then again--it seems like she will be a regular on Ult Spider-Man so that wouldn't make too much sense...

bah, I dunno. Dazzler's back on the team, thus I'm happy...as long as Kirkman writes her as well as Vaughn did.

right he made me like dazzler, even though i don't really know the 616 version but i know she's stil cool.

[Richard Bastard]

maybe Mystique as, as far as I can remember, the X-Men have NOT encountered her yet except in her guise as Magneto?

probably not.

or how about M, since they are going to need a powerhouse hitter?

[Sabre]

No, I think it's got to be Pyro and someone else.

Not only do the goggles look like Pyro's, it also looks like his cap and the outline of his boots. I'm nerdy enough to compare the cover with his previous appearance ;)

[bbmakdaddycomics]

oh my gosh, please don't have pyro be an x-men he fits more as a villian,
i'm not used to seeing him as a hero but I like the character.

[Toboe]

I just don't care for alternate future Bishop's "all-new, all-diferent" X-men team... Kirkman has really killed the title for me lately... ever since he assasinated Rogue and Nightcrawler's characters... and then came the Magician, Cable and future Bishops... come on... and form the look of it, I just don't see what's new or different with this new team he'll introduce, besides the ridiculous fact that it's gonna include time-travelling Bishop (sorry, I have quite many problems with the idea...)
We already have the school aspect in 616, same as Cyclops directing it.

The only running plot I'm interested right now is the one involving the Shadow King nightmares hunting Storm, it's got me intrigued.

I just really, really hope he doesn't f*ck up Dazzler...

[Novaya Havoc]

I just really, really hope he doesn't f*ck up Dazzler...

Kirkman told me the other day that Dazz will be an "integral" part of the team and that I, Dazzler's biggest fan, should enjoy it.

Let's hope! :D

[Hi-Fi]

Kirkman told me the other day that Dazz will be an "integral" part of the team and that I, Dazzler's biggest fan, should enjoy it.

Let's hope! :D
Did you ask him if Rogue and Iceman will be cool again?

[rwsmith]

I just want to see the new costumes.

[Greg Anderson]

I just want to see the new costumes.

Ditto. But I really did hope that this new team would be of new characters or past characters that weren't X-Men, but whatever.:o

[Omega Alpha]

Did you ask him if Rogue and Iceman will be cool again?

Or if he will learn to write good stories and any character well?

[Farrar]

not the best pic in the world but there you go:

http://www.bobscomics.com/CoversJul07/ULTI84.jpg

thats gotta be pyro with those goggles, i'm tempted to say that the mystery womans jean but it wouldn't make much sense without scott, so Psylocke maybe? It does seem like a lot of the characters aren't new but i don't mind that much as with a smaller team some of the characters will get some more showtime than they did before (i.e. angel and dazzler).

[rwsmith]

http://www.bobscomics.com/CoversJul07/ULTI84.jpg

Going left to right (on the ground): mystery woman, Dazzler, Wolverine, Pyro, Bishop

In the air: Angel and Storm

[Brian M.]

Going left to right (on the ground): mystery woman, Dazzler, Wolverine, Pyro, Bishop

In the air: Angel and Storm

Could be Rogue. Or Polaris...since they are taking kids from Emma's school.

[Richard Bastard]

those are some huge honkin' boots on Dazzler... the goggle one COULD be Strong Guy, I suppose, if they decided to make him more "regular" sized yet super strong... but it's still most likely Pyro.

[lament]

Meh. The only members of Bishop's new team I'm interested in are Angel and Dazzler. The only way I'll keep reading is if he keeps using Peter and JP...

[Grunty]

Ah finnaly someone posted a scan.

Damm there go my hopes again... i mean Stacy X apeared already and she is still nowhere to be seen....

At least Dazz is back in.

[matt_hatyber]

he might as well be pyro but they called him fire in the comics, but the guy in galsses in that cover is that guy from aftermath part2

[Fede]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/21/ultimatexmen84c.htm

This is the cover for next issue, any guesses?

I can see Angel, Bishop and Pyro. Dazzler could be the one in angel's wings, or the girl with the boots, although that could be a boy, since i can't say if that's a shoulder or her breast lol (it could be bobby)
There's also wolverine, you can see his claws close to the other character's boot. And the last girl looks like shadowcat, but since she left, my guess is rogue.

So that's it: Bishop, Pyro, Angel, Dazzler, Wolverine, Rogue and Bobby. Not as surprising as I thought. And where's Storm?

[Pach!]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/21/ultimatexmen84c.htm

This is the cover for next issue, any guesses?

I can see Angel, Bishop and Pyro. Dazzler could be the one in angel's wings, or the girl with the boots, although that could be a boy, since i can't say if that's a shoulder or her breast lol (it could be bobby)
There's also wolverine, you can see his claws close to the other character's boot. And the last girl looks like shadowcat, but since she left, my guess is rogue.

So that's it: Bishop, Pyro, Angel, Dazzler, Wolverine, Rogue and Bobby. Not as surprising as I thought. And where's Storm?

Flying right hand corner.

[Largo]

and this is the preview for the next issue:
http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=42030

and i think i see ultimate... SQUIRREL GIRL! yay~ (this is Squirrel girl... right???)

[rwsmith]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/21/ultimatexmen84c.htm

This is the cover for next issue, any guesses?

I can see Angel, Bishop and Pyro. Dazzler could be the one in angel's wings, or the girl with the boots, although that could be a boy, since i can't say if that's a shoulder or her breast lol (it could be bobby)
There's also wolverine, you can see his claws close to the other character's boot. And the last girl looks like shadowcat, but since she left, my guess is rogue.

So that's it: Bishop, Pyro, Angel, Dazzler, Wolverine, Rogue and Bobby. Not as surprising as I thought. And where's Storm?

Where are you seeing Bobby? I see everyone else but him. Oh, and you forgot Storm. She's the one flying next to Angel.

[Toboe]

Critics and fans alike continue to rave about the creative team of Kirkman and Paquette. Richard George of IGN.com called Robert Kirkman’s Ultimate X-Men “excellent,” and added, “the pacing and drama are perfectly timed.”


I just had to laugh at that. Seems like we're reading totally different books or something.

[Grunty]

Maybe its just me but this all new different team doesn't feels so new from what we could indentify as the lineup.

The only new ones are Pyro and Bishop. We have Wolverine, Storm and most likely Rogue (the hairstyle looks more like Rogue, by the way does she wear a skirt?) as old regular and Angel and Dazzler as part timers.

All in all not so impressiv. Kirkman could at least have kept Wolverine out for some time.
Hell, why not replace him with Ultimate Thunderbird? He has a simliar personality less healing factor plot device lameness and if he dies nobody will make an uproar because that would just fit his 616 counterpart.

[rwsmith]

Yeah, Ultimate Thunderbird in place of Wolverine. Good call. That way sales can drop even further than they have already on this book.:rolleyes:

[Armless Penguin]

People are still reading Kirkman's run? Even after the Magician arc?

[Erik B]

they are doing to this book what they book what they did with the core books - break up the teams and make it all "new" and the new dynamic doesnt always work.
The original team that worked well. Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Rogue, Dazzler, Nightcrawler, Angel and Kitty. there was no need to screw with the line up and the only reason i kept collecting was because i thought that Bryan singer was supposed to come along. For me the series stopped being worth it after. I might drop this because its just not doing it for me anymore

[Dazzler]

Yeah, Ultimate Thunderbird in place of Wolverine. Good call. That way sales can drop even further than they have already on this book.:rolleyes:

Well, I would buy this book again if wolverine was dropped. He's a twat and a lunatic. That little scene in the preview makes me like him even less.
of course, since Dazzler's apparently returning, i might have to buy it again anyway...
I think if creators actually DID look for interesting, cool characters BEYOND wolverine, they might find with a little attention they have a new wolverine on their hands. Worked for Spider-Woman. Worked for Ghost Rider in the 90's. Why not put a little effort into Thunderbird and he could be the Ultimate wolverine in terms of public interest and popularity. Who knows?
Just keeping a character around because it's easy to rehash the same scene with the character 970 times a year isn't a good enough reason to keep them around in my book.

--Dazz

[rwsmith]

Good for you. Thankfully most fans seem to disagree.

[Dazzler]

Good for you. Thankfully most fans seem to disagree.

Or not.
I'd say it was that kind of thinking that's basically killed the comics industry. Good sales today are the title killers of twenty years ago.

--Dazz

[rwsmith]

Yeah, whatever you say. Dazzler rocks! If there were more Dazzler comics, the industry would be kicking all kinds of ass, right?

Get over yourself. You don't like Wolverine (as you so eloquently put it). Got it. Thus I really don't have much more to say to you on this topic, as I think fandom pretty much speaks for itself in this regard.

But by all means, continue on with your bitter Wolverine hatred. I don't think it's gonna change anything, but continue on anyway. Just please excuse me if I choose to ignore you while you do so.

[Dazzler]

Yeah, whatever you say. Dazzler rocks! If there were more Dazzler comics, the industry would be kicking all kinds of ass, right?
oh don't be such a petty little nancy. goodness gracious. :rolleyes:


Get over yourself. You don't like Wolverine (as you so eloquently put it). Got it. Thus I really don't have much more to say to you on this topic, as I think fandom pretty much speaks for itself in this regard.
I think fandom does speak for itsself in this regard. Long term fans hardly ever have wolverine in their top spot, casual fans only like wolverine because that's all they're allowed to see. Where does that leave people who don't like the character? Very limited in terms of options. Basically, it's love him or get off the bus. The amount of energy spent tricking wolverine out all over the marvel universe could just as easily been spent actually producing quality stories with other characters and creating not just one but an army of cash cows with just as devoted fan followings as wolverine.


But by all means, continue on with your bitter Wolverine hatred. I don't think it's gonna change anything, but continue on anyway. Just please excuse me if I choose to ignore you while you do so.
Whoa, nellie! Who's the bitter one here? I understand you seem upset, but that little exchange from wolverine in the previews does paint him as a lunatic, my "bitter" wolverine hatred aside. (it actually has very little to do with that particular issue.) my issue comes from the fact that he's invulnerable to a the nth, he's made his point and intimidated the powerless human into submission, the fight was over, and then just to be a twat, cuts off the man's fingers. how does that even bespeak heroism? that's unnecessary and plain psychopathy. and clearly not x-men material. i've never understood why the x-men tolerate him.

Anyway, gotta run, I've got to go continue my never ending bitter quest to spread the Wolverine hatred. Next up, my thesis on how he's just a power fantasy outlet for today's most emasculated males...
:p :rolleyes:

--Dazz

[Dazzler]

and this is the preview for the next issue:
http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=42030

and i think i see ultimate... SQUIRREL GIRL! yay~ (this is Squirrel girl... right???)

i think that's actually wolfsbane. at least, i really hope it is. :)

--Dazz

[rwsmith]

Oh, sorry. I guess I'm being a "petty little nancy" if I say anything negative about Dazzler, but if I were running around bashing Wolverine I'd be one of the "cool kids" on the message board, right? I do find it kind of ironic for a Dazzler fan to be calling anyone a "nancy," though.;)

And, by the way, healing factor or no, if someone shot me in the face with a shotgun they'd be lucky if all I did was cut off their fingers in retribution. If that makes me a twat, then so be it.

[Hi-Fi]

I think fandom does speak for itsself in this regard. Long term fans hardly ever have wolverine in their top spot, casual fans only like wolverine because that's all they're allowed to see.
I'm a long term fan, and Wolverine is one of my favorite characters ever.


Where does that leave people who don't like the character? Very limited in terms of options. Basically, it's love him or get off the bus.
Wow, over the top much? There's plenty of books without Wolverine out there.


Whoa, nellie! Who's the bitter one here? I understand you seem upset, but that little exchange from wolverine in the previews does paint him as a lunatic, my "bitter" wolverine hatred aside. (it actually has very little to do with that particular issue.) my issue comes from the fact that he's invulnerable to a the nth, he's made his point and intimidated the powerless human into submission, the fight was over, and then just to be a twat, cuts off the man's fingers. how does that even bespeak heroism? that's unnecessary and plain psychopathy. and clearly not x-men material. i've never understood why the x-men tolerate him.
Well, Ultimate Dazzler is hardly X-Men material as well. She's a drunk b*tch, and frankly, that's why I like her so much. I don't judge if the character is cool or lame based on his/her attachment to the dream or to good actions, but on their actions altogether nd what makes them interesting.

[rwsmith]

Yeah, I actually like Ultimate Dazzler a lot. Much more than 616 Dazzler.

[Fede]

Where are you seeing Bobby? I see everyone else but him. Oh, and you forgot Storm. She's the one flying next to Angel.

Ok, i thought storm was dazzler, but i guess she's the one with the big boots and not bobby :P

[Dazzler]

Oh, sorry. I guess I'm being a "petty little nancy" if I say anything negative about Dazzler, but if I were running around bashing Wolverine I'd be one of the "cool kids" on the message board, right? I do find it kind of ironic for a Dazzler fan to be calling anyone a "nancy," though.;)
nope, going around bashing wolverine for the sake of bashing wolverine would not make you one of the cool kids. having a legitimate beef and deciding to talk about it would. even if it were dazzler. ;) deciding to be unnecessarily rude and bitchy for its own sake does make one petty, whichever character it may pertain to.
eh. i'm a fag and i'm a dazzler fan, so i guess i'm just a stereotype then. i'm okay with that. almost as much of a stereotype as a wolverine fan being agressive for no reason.


And, by the way, healing factor or no, if someone shot me in the face with a shotgun they'd be lucky if all I did was cut off their fingers in retribution. If that makes me a twat, then so be it.
well, if you were invulnerable and unable to be harmed and someone did something to you that you knew wouldn't harm you and you decided to take "retribution" on them (permanent, handicapping disfiguring retribution), it would make you a lunatic with no real sense of social justice. it's taking a moral low road and the easy way out. hey, if that's what makes wolverine so great, keep him then. that's counterintuitive to the mission of the x-men and basically just giving humans a legitimate reason to fear mutants.


I'm a long term fan, and Wolverine is one of my favorite characters ever.
hence the reason i chose not to speak in absolutes. i know there are long term fans who adore wolverine.
my mother being one of them. :rolleyes:


Wow, over the top much? There's plenty of books without Wolverine out there.
You know, sarcasm is unnecessary.
Anyway. Yes, there are books out there that are without wolverine. But he always has a way of popping up at the most ridiculous moments to interrupt the flow of a good story. I just like my books hyper-macho deus ex machina free.


Well, Ultimate Dazzler is hardly X-Men material as well. She's a drunk b*tch, and frankly, that's why I like her so much. I don't judge if the character is cool or lame based on his/her attachment to the dream or to good actions, but on their actions altogether nd what makes them interesting.

Ultimate Dazzler could be argued as not being x-men material. She's selfish, self-destructive, and dangerously insubordinate. However, she's never actually harmed someone weaker than her for the sake of her own wounded pride or personal gain. She's hard to get along with, sure, but I don't see her becoming a killing machine anytime soon.
I'm sorry, I do judge characters as being cool or lame on whether or not they conduct themselves like heroes. I must be way old school to expect much less destructive ambiguity in my characters and to want them to uphold a moral code beyond their own personal notions of "honor".

--Dazz

[rwsmith]

Well at least you've explained your dislike of the character. Personally I actually agree with some of your points, in that Wolverine did seem to have more of a "code of honor" back in the day, but it was a warped code, and one that is very out of touch with today's sensibilities. More of a samurai code of honor and justice.

Having said that, what he did in the preview for Ultimate X-men #83 was totally in line with that samurai code. The guy shot him in the face with a shotgun! And, furthermore, he had no idea that Wolverine was not going to die from it. I'd say that someone like that deserves no less, because next time he shoots someone, they will die (unless he has the misfortune to shoot another indestructible mutant, that is).

As it pertains to the bigger issue here, yeah, I like anti-heroes. I like tough guys. Just like you apparently like "diva" type characters. Probably because we can each relate in our own way to that archetype. So what? If that makes us both stereotypes, so be it.

Personally I just get sick and tired of all of the Wolverine bashing around here, and it seems like most of it comes from the Dazzler fans. I kind of assumed it was most likely bitterness over the fact that he's so popular and she's not right now, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Regardless, I don't really care. I don't go into threads bitching about how much I hate Dazzler because, frankly, it's not worth my time.

But if it makes you feel better to vent and let everyone know how much you hate Wolverine, knock yourself out. I won't even respond anymore. Like I said in the New X-men #40 thread, we can just agree to disagree. If it starts grating on my nerves again, well, that's what the "ignore" funciton is for, right?

In the end, I'm just glad he's still going to be in this book.

[Dazzler]

Well at least you've explained your dislike of the character. Personally I actually agree with some of your points, in that Wolverine did seem to have more of a "code of honor" back in the day, but it was a warped code, and one that is very out of touch with today's sensibilities. More of a samurai code of honor and justice.
That samurai code of honor was interesting, actually. I haven't always hated wolverine. Just once he became a constant presence who began being smarter and wiser than everyone in his general vicinity. Which also began around the same time as the whole samurai retcon.
I do think the code of honor thing was kind of strange for it to be so old school when wolverine did not learn the code at time when a "samurai" code would be so out of tune with a modern sensibility.



Having said that, what he did in the preview for Ultimate X-men #83 was totally in line with that samurai code. The guy shot him in the face with a shotgun! And, furthermore, he had no idea that Wolverine was not going to die from it. I'd say that someone like that deserves no less, because next time he shoots someone, they will die (unless he has the misfortune to shoot another indestructible mutant, that is).
Actually, youre quite right. He didn't know that wolverine wouldn't die. That guy was clearly a hateful dude who really did need to taught a lesson. But i think that knowledge that he just shot someone in the face with a shotgun and the expected outcome didn't happen was enough to put the fear in the man. That's enough of a lesson, in my opinion. The man was clearly submissive after that. The fact that wolverine decided to disfigure the man after the situation was defused was an act of a madman. A few well-placed words and that man probably would think twice about terrorizing mutants ever again. Now, i can see the humiliation of being maimed by a mutant could have the opposite effect and cause that man to hate mutants even more. i would if i were him.


As it pertains to the bigger issue here, yeah, I like anti-heroes. I like tough guys. Just like you apparently like "diva" type characters. Probably because we can each relate in our own way to that archetype. So what? If that makes us both stereotypes, so be it.
Well, Dazzler aside, i have no idea where you get that i like "diva" characters. I actually hate "divas" (the mere incorrect usage of the term these days raises my hackles...). I actually prefer characters who are very normal people placed in unbelieveably abnormal situation with a modicum of power who struggle to use it wisely and as harmlessly as possible.
Dazzler just happens to be a singer who is thrust into superheroing when she wants nothing more than to just be a performer. Or at least she used to be. That's what i respond. Plus, i like roller skates. ;)


Personally I just get sick and tired of all of the Wolverine bashing around here, and it seems like most of it comes from the Dazzler fans. I kind of assumed it was most likely bitterness over the fact that he's so popular and she's not right now, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Regardless, I don't really care. I don't go into threads bitching about how much I hate Dazzler because, frankly, it's not worth my time.
HA. You want bashing. There's enough Dazzler bashing to go around. Talk about an easy target...and it comes at the most random moments in regards to things about her that may or may not be true. And, unlike a lot of wolverine disgruntalists, many of these people have never read anything with dazzler in it outside of other posters' Dazzler bashing. It really is quite frustrating. About whether or not Dazzler fans are jealous of Wolveirne's popularity, I don't know. I think a lot of the Wolverine anger comes from his seeming shoehorning into stories where other, lesser used characters could be put. Me personally, i'm resentful that a lot of energy is spent on promoting him when the Marvel character catalogue has over 3000 superheroes that could be tweaked to be just as cool and interesting and Wolverine seems to be the easy way out in terms of quick and shortlived interest in terms of sales.
I do believe there's a difference in "bashing" and voicing legitimate issues. I would be more than happy to stop even voicing my dislike for wolverine if he were not continually thrust in my face in every marvel comic i come across. there really is no escaping him sometimes. For the record, though, anything i said here was in response to something and not just a random bitch session about wolverine. That preview really is disturbing to me and an inappropriate message that we'll never see consequences of. A lot of people may just think it's a cool wolverine moment, but i think it's grossly inhuman. If Storm doesn't at least nominally take him to task for it, i'll be pissed at her too.


But if it makes you feel better to vent and let everyone know how much you hate Wolverine, knock yourself out. I won't even respond anymore. Like I said in the New X-men #40 thread, we can just agree to disagree. If it starts grating on my nerves again, well, that's what the "ignore" funciton is for, right?
Well, in all actuality, so very little of my time here is spent "bashing" wolverine, i don't see what difference it could make.


In the end, I'm just glad he's still going to be in this book.
Okay. I'm just glad Dazzler's back. As long as she doesn't become Wolverine's bitch, i'll be just fine.

--Dazz

[Grunty]

Oh man looking back at what i accidently started i just wanted to explain myself too.

First nothing against Wolverine here and i also understand why many readers like him so much. Hell, back when i started reading X-men i also belived Wolverine was the number 1. He is particular the reason why i am a Marrow fan nowdays (because of the cover of X-men 72).

But while reading the comics i begann to like other characters more and sadly i also begann to think that Wolverine is kind of overexposed.

And because of that i thought that it might have been better for him to be taken out of the Ultimate X-men rooster for some time. Not to forget that he left on a search with Creed and now suddently doesn't seem to care anymore sitting around in a bar.

I would have liked it more if his place would have been taken over by new character while we, sometimes get a view on how far he got on his search (which then could have lead into a big storyline).

So it was not Wolverine bashing but just thinking that it would have been fair for characters like Angel or Dazzler, who where off rooster for some time, that even someone like Wolverine can be off the team for some time.
And the regular comics show that IT CAN WORK.

Oh and i still somewhat like Wolverine nowdays. I just think that there seems to be no writer who can make a Wolverine fight without making him need his Healing Factor.

God! Just one fight against some important enemy without the need of a healing factor for a change please!

He is just like Manji from Blade of the Immortal, with the difference that Manji admits not being able to fight normaly anymore because of his healing ability.

About Ultimate Dazzler.
I think her Ultimate version is quite a nice idea. First of all she is now based on a musik style which is NOT DEAD! Punk Rock has lifed longer then Disco so far and there are countless of spin-off styles which would allow a survival of Ultimate Dazzlers musik backround.

Someone in the X-men Board already made a good explanation of why its hard to work with 616 Dazzler nowdays because she is not only based on Musik which is a audio medium that is impossible to integrate into comics (did she ever apeared in X-men TAS?), but also because the musik she represents is far from being IN nowdays.

Also her punk rock star personality (the joke that her singing sounds horrorbil give her a bit of a female Sid Vicious feeling) as well as her heavy drinking and pi**ing of the other add a Reluctant hero possebility to her which i guess Kirkman wants to show.

[Novaya Havoc]

Personally I just get sick and tired of all of the Wolverine bashing around here, and it seems like most of it comes from the Dazzler fans. I kind of assumed it was most likely bitterness over the fact that he's so popular and she's not right now, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Regardless, I don't really care. I don't go into threads bitching about how much I hate Dazzler because, frankly, it's not worth my time.


Honestly, I don't care enough about Wolverine to complain about the character. Nor do I do it. So I don't know where this tidal wave of bitter Dazzler fans is, ripping on Wolverine all over the boards.

SAGE I'll rip on. Wolverine? Don't really care at all. Only ever cared for him in the movies, to be frank.



Someone in the X-men Board already made a good explanation of why its hard to work with 616 Dazzler nowdays because she is not only based on Musik which is a audio medium that is impossible to integrate into comics (did she ever apeared in X-men TAS?), but also because the musik she represents is far from being IN nowdays.


Someone find me a wall so I can slam my head against it. I'm not going to even go there, but I'll be brief by saying that is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Grunty]

Someone find me a wall so I can slam my head against it. I'm not going to even go there, but I'll be brief by saying that is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

Sorry if i insulted you or other Dazzler fans with that one. Its just my personal thoughts. Also i meant Disco music and not Pop-music with that comment. I guess she switched over nowdays, but her origin makes it difficult to forget that.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7673/118io1ec0.jpg
And yes i admit i don't know much about the 616 version!

So please don't be mad at me for that one, okay?

[Dazzler]

Sorry if i insulted you or other Dazzler fans with that one. Its just my personal thoughts. Also i meant Disco music and not Pop-music with that comment. I guess she switched over nowdays, but her origin makes it difficult to forget that.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7673/118io1ec0.jpg
And yes i admit i don't know much about the 616 version!

So please don't be mad at me for that one, okay?

well, the disco thing is not so easily forgotten, but punisher was a vietnam vet and now he'd be in his 60's. Professor X's and Juggernaut's origins are clearly defined as being laid out in the Korean War. In the 50's, mind you. Karma was a Vietnamese boat person who escaped the midst of the Vietnam War. Her second appearance showed that her greatest fear (thanks to Dani) was the horror of the war that she had experienced first hand! She's be in her 40's of 50's now. The X-Men as a whole were originally created because their parents were exposed to radiation. There are tons of characters whose origins clearly put them as out of place in a modern context.
These things have been forgotten or worked around for years, but poor Dazzler's disco origins haunt her negatively to this very day.
Me personally, i look at her 616 persona as, in the beginning, having am ironic disco gimmick (which nowadays, at least in San Francisco, would not be unheard of...), and now moving up to pop music, dance and club music.
I don't think it's that hard to work around.
As for the music thing, it is hard to represent that in a comic. But a clever narrative can allow the reader to put whatever they think of as exceptional music in their mind when imagining what Dazzler is singing. Plus, it helps that her power is almost totally visually based to counterbalance her reliance on sound.
Anyway, Ultimate Dazzler's punk rock origins are kind of an anachronism, too, given that any legitimate expression of punk has been defunct since the late 70's or early 80's. But hey, there are still a lot of underground music scenes still around and, mercifully, comics as a medium can't concretely apply any particular musical sound on her anyway. Ultimate Dazzler could be like Peaches, Erase Errata, Le Tigre, Bikini Kill or Princess Superstar. All different, with different sounds, but not what anyone would really call pop.
At any rate, i'm not offended by anything you said, and I venture Novaya isn't really either. I think he just gets tired of trying to explain it. ;)

--Dazz

[Novaya Havoc]

Sorry if i insulted you or other Dazzler fans with that one. Its just my personal thoughts. Also i meant Disco music and not Pop-music with that comment. I guess she switched over nowdays, but her origin makes it difficult to forget that.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7673/118io1ec0.jpg
And yes i admit i don't know much about the 616 version!

So please don't be mad at me for that one, okay?

What Dazz said. I'm not mad at you. It's just flogging a dead horse at this point.

And I LOOOOVE Gail Simone and that issue.

Here, read this on Dazzler, Disco, and how they weren't even trying to use it for her solo. The creators were well aware not to shoe-horn her into a specific musical genre.

Link Story:
http://www.geocities.com/benunni/cf-7.rtf

[Dazzler]

What Dazz said. I'm not mad at you. It's just flogging a dead horse at this point.

And I LOOOOVE Gail Simone and that issue.

Here, read this on Dazzler, Disco, and how they weren't even trying to use it for her solo. The creators were well aware not to shoe-horn her into a specific musical genre.

Link Story:
http://www.geocities.com/benunni/cf-7.rtf

I love that gail simone issue, too. ;) hoorah.

But gee-willikers, Novaya, could that writing get any smaller?!

--Dazz

[rwsmith]

About whether or not Dazzler fans are jealous of Wolveirne's popularity, I don't know. I think a lot of the Wolverine anger comes from his seeming shoehorning into stories where other, lesser used characters could be put. Me personally, i'm resentful that a lot of energy is spent on promoting him when the Marvel character catalogue has over 3000 superheroes that could be tweaked to be just as cool and interesting and Wolverine seems to be the easy way out in terms of quick and shortlived interest in terms of sales.

Well, this might surprise you, but I actually would be in favor of seeing Logan take a break from the 616 X-men entirely for awhile (or, at the very least, just guest-star in the occasional arc like Storm is doing now). In fact, I'm a big proponent of having him be a fulltime New Avenger.

IMO Marvel should do the following to "fix" the character (in the 616 Marvel U):

- Make him a fulltime New Avenger and have him only appear in that book and Wolverine (cancel Wolverine: Origins and Astonishing X-men)
- Keep his guest-appearances down to a minimum (I'd limit him to big event mini series and the occasional X-men guest-starring role)
- Establish some reasonable parameters for his healing factor and ensure that editorial enforces them (basically taking it back down to 1980's levels where serious injuries like gunshots and stab wounds could take him out of commission for days at a time)

Then I'd fold the rest of the Astonishing cast into the other two core X-men books, and push some other characters to the forefront for awhile (like Bru and Carey have been doing with Cannonball, Rogue, Warpath, etc.). Perhaps this would even require some of the others to retire (e.g., Scott and Emma could just run the school fulltime) or to jump to other teams (e.g., Beast to Mighty Avengers).

In the place of Astonishing, I would put a superstar creative team on Ultimate X-men (basically, whoever they've got lined up to take over Astonishing should do Ultimate X-men instead), and this would be the book with the all "A-list" X-men cast. That way, even if this superstar creative team is slow, it doesn't impact the other books. Oh, and that editorial mandate about Logan's healing factor being more reasonable would apply in the Ultimate Universe as well, but perhaps with a little more leeway (due to the fact that his healing factor was pretty amped up in the movies, and the Ulti-verse should be more similar to the movies IMO). Having said that, I don't want to see him burned down to a skeleton and regenerating in minutes even in the Ultimate books.

IMO that would go a long way towards both redeeming Logan as a character and solving the issue of the "A-list" X-men characters stealing all the limelight. I like what they've done by shoving Wolverine and Storm more into the mainstream Marvel Universe, and wouldn't mind seeing the same thing done with Beast. And that would also free up roster spots for B and C-listers. At the same time, it also solves the problems with lateness on Astonishing and how to fit it into current continuity.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

[Dazzler]

Well, this might surprise you, but I actually would be in favor of seeing Logan take a break from the 616 X-men entirely for awhile (or, at the very least, just guest-star in the occasional arc like Storm is doing now). In fact, I'm a big proponent of having him be a fulltime New Avenger.

IMO Marvel should do the following to "fix" the character (in the 616 Marvel U):

- Make him a fulltime New Avenger and have him only appear in that book and Wolverine (cancel Wolverine: Origins and Astonishing X-men)
- Keep his guest-appearances down to a minimum (I'd limit him to big event mini series and the occasional X-men guest-starring role)
- Establish some reasonable parameters for his healing factor and ensure that editorial enforces them (basically taking it back down to 1980's levels where serious injuries like gunshots and stab wounds could take him out of commission for days at a time)

Then I'd fold the rest of the Astonishing cast into the other two core X-men books, and push some other characters to the forefront for awhile (like Bru and Carey have been doing with Cannonball, Rogue, Warpath, etc.). Perhaps this would even require some of the others to retire (e.g., Scott and Emma could just run the school fulltime) or to jump to other teams (e.g., Beast to Mighty Avengers).

In the place of Astonishing, I would put a superstar creative team on Ultimate X-men (basically, whoever they've got lined up to take over Astonishing should do Ultimate X-men instead), and this would be the book with the all "A-list" X-men cast. That way, even if this superstar creative team is slow, it doesn't impact the other books. Oh, and that editorial mandate about Logan's healing factor being more reasonable would apply in the Ultimate Universe as well, but perhaps with a little more leeway (due to the fact that his healing factor was pretty amped up in the movies, and the Ulti-verse should be more similar to the movies IMO). Having said that, I don't want to see him burned down to a skeleton and regenerating in minutes even in the Ultimate books.

IMO that would go a long way towards both redeeming Logan as a character and solving the issue of the "A-list" X-men characters stealing all the limelight. I like what they've done by shoving Wolverine and Storm more into the mainstream Marvel Universe, and wouldn't mind seeing the same thing done with Beast. And that would also free up roster spots for B and C-listers. At the same time, it also solves the problems with lateness on Astonishing and how to fit it into current continuity.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Well, believe it or not, you and I see totally and completely eye to eye on this on every single point. I don't want him to disappear totally: it's not fair to his fans.
But this seems like a very good way to garner more respect for him from those of us who don't right now.

--Dazz

[bbmakdaddycomics]

i love dazzler wolverine and thunderbird why can't they all be on the new team?
it would be cool.

[The Horhey]

Oh, sorry. I guess I'm being a "petty little nancy" if I say anything negative about Dazzler, but if I were running around bashing Wolverine I'd be one of the "cool kids" on the message board, right?

This forum is a utopia for Wolverine fans compared to Superherohype.com.

[Dazzler]

This forum is a utopia for Wolverine fans compared to Superherohype.com.

Sign me up for superherohype.com then!

aw, just jokes. ;)

--Dazz

[rwsmith]

Booooooo! Hiss...

[Dazzler]

Booooooo! Hiss...

Well, there goes my standup career....

Guess I'll just have to be a rock star.

--Dazz

[rilokyle]

If Havok or Polaris were to join the Ultimate X-Men I would wet my pants in excitement. Pretty pretty please!!

[jarrod]

Anyway, Ultimate Dazzler's punk rock origins are kind of an anachronism, too, given that any legitimate expression of punk has been defunct since the late 70's or early 80's.
Yikes! Hugely, hugely debatable there... though defining exactly what "punk" is, is probably equally debatable. ;)

[Novaya Havoc]

Yikes! Hugely, hugely debatable there... though defining exactly what "punk" is, is probably equally debatable. ;)

Punk is totally anachronistic. Unless you count on Avil Lavigne to Rep'r'sent.

"The Disco Dazzler" was less behind the times than "punk" Dazz, IMO. And at least Marvel had the sense to drop the "disco" label before the character's solo launched. Ultimate Ali embraces punk.

Still love the Ultimate Ali, but still. Punk is so far and away dead. I always felt Ulti Ali played more to the straight men, whereas classic Ali plays more to her female and gay male fans. Stereotypical, but it fits.

[jarrod]

Punk is totally anachronistic. Unless you count on Avil Lavigne to Rep'r'sent.
Still hugely debatable, and that viewpoint would be highly dependant on how one defines "punk". I guess you could count Avril, but you could also count The Pixies, Patti Smith, Bikini Kill, Cabaret Voltaire, Tom Waits, JAMC, Bruce Spingsteen, Wire, Sonic Youth, Nirvana, Shonen Knife, etc, etc... even moving into current stuff like The White Stripes, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, AFI or The Rapture (yes, all these musicians have been labeled "punk" at one point or another). It's a rather diverse label, as oppossed to something like "disco". To limit punk simply to the late 70s/early 80s Ramones/Clash/Sex Pistols trifecta is either ignorant or disingenious at best...

I'd agree though in that U-Dazz's visual seems a bit stereotypically early 90s socal pop-punk, though that was probably Finch's frame of reference (he's not the most creative or diverse of artists out there imo). Would've been timelier to base her more closely around the recent garage band revival I think.

[Farrar]

I think it is timely to make Dazzler the way she is in the Ultimate Universe, there is still quite a large "punk" (i know there is always a huge debate on if what is considered punk now is actually punk) scene, its just not as much in the mainstream as it once was. Ultimate Dazzler herself is almost a spitting image of Brody Dalle, lead singer of The Distillers who were a pretty big band when this incarnation of Dazzler was created.

[rwsmith]

For some reason I always pictured Ultimate Dazzler dyeing her hair blonde and looking kind of like Gwen Stefani, whereas 616 Dazzler makes me think of Olivia Newton John or something.

Regardless, the spiked hair needs to go IMO, and I'd prefer Dazz to be blonde in the Ultimate Universe. Maybe she could even rock a headband too, as kind of a nod to her old 616 look (the one that's in the old X-men arcade game).

[bbmakdaddycomics]

For some reason I always pictured Ultimate Dazzler dyeing her hair blonde and looking kind of like Gwen Stefani, whereas 616 Dazzler makes me think of Olivia Newton John or something.

Regardless, the spiked hair needs to go IMO, and I'd prefer Dazz to be blonde in the Ultimate Universe. Maybe she could even rock a headband too, as kind of a nod to her old 616 look (the one that's in the old X-men arcade game).

then what would be the point of ultimitizing? all those things (except the blonde hair part) would make her a disco-pop star which died before i was born (no offense to anyone) but the spiked hair is modern it is what seperates her from her 616 (which is still a cool character) personally I like the spiked hair and maybe it should be blonde and the head band wouldn;t work with spikes.

[Richard Bastard]

first, off, punk was never really alive in a "making lots of money and being successful" sort of way, it was always a small movement that at best got a lot of negative press from the media in the beginning. Second, it is a thriving subculture of music that has and looks to always be here. If Ult. Dazzler was a huge rock star I would agree it would look weird. Instead, though, she's a small time singer who's band had trouble getting a record deal. So it works just fine.

[Grunty]

If Ult. Dazzler was a huge rock star I would agree it would look weird. Instead, though, she's a small time singer who's band had trouble getting a record deal. So it works just fine.

Actualy in Ult. X-men 83 Allison told Angel that Dazzler broke up and that she has been traveling around the last few weeks. I guess being in coma lowers the numbers of gigs you can do.

[Faded]

The new team apparently is:
Dazzler
Archangel
Pyro
Bishop
Psylocke
Storm
Wolverine

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/newrosemann.html

[CmX]

The new team apparently is:
Dazzler
Archangel
Pyro
Bishop
Psylocke
Storm
Wolverine

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/newrosemann.html

I'd never think I'd see Ult Betsy again, much less see her join the friggum team. Which is cool! He's obviously trying to do some sort of ult outback team (Dazz, Wolvie, Storm & Betsy),

Kirkman will probably kill her off or something and have Jean replace her like by the end of the arc. :rolleyes:

[rwsmith]

Figured I'd go ahead and post the image for the lazy:

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/Rosemann/ULTXMEN85-88CoversColor.jpg

I like the team, honestly. It's definitely different. The only thing I don't really like is the time-travel stuff being introduced in the Ultimate Universe, thus I'm not crazy about Bishop being there as a constant reminder of it.

My preference would be for this Bishop to die, and then Storm and Wolverine take over leadership of the team (like in the 3rd X-men movie) and they go out and recruit the present day version of Bishop for their team. Therefore they'd basically replace old Bishop from the future with young Bishop from the here and now.

[CmX]

I like the new team as well. Seriously IMO Scott, Jean, Iceman etc., was getting tired.

I don't think this roster will last long though, I think by #100 the originals will be back.

[rwsmith]

Personally I'm digging Logan's "new" look, since it's pretty much his original Ultimate look, which was my favorite. The only differences are the boots (which are laced now) and the gloves having yellow laces instead of black. Otherwise it's the same. I like it, though:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/AllNewAllDifferentUltimateWolverine.png

[ExtraEpidermis]

I actually like this team. I mean as far as members go it's powerful, should have some intersting team dynamics, and might be fun to read even if it doesn't stay around very long.

[Grunty]

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/Rosemann/ULTXMEN85-88CoversColor.jpg

Did you guys noticed how all the old Ult. X-men members are on the right side and all the new ones more one the left side?

You can almost make a cut between Dazzler and Pyro.

Also i noticed that these X-men look less Uniform with each of them having completly different costumes. Ironical Wolverine and Storm wear something that is the closest to the old X-men uniforms (black and gold coloring).

But i wonder how Kirkman will write Psylocke? Sure she has a asian teenager body, but the personality should actualy be that of a woman in her late 20s.

On the other hand being a teenager again could make Bettsy enjoy her life like one again.

[CmX]

I hope he writes her well I liked her character when she was first introduced, I think he'll do alright. If the bubble gum is any indication though... hmm