Who is the culprit?

[StoneGold]

So the rocket went kablooie, and the planet blew up, and now Hulk is on the warpath. So the question is, whose fault is it that the rocket blew up?

Just a partial list of potential culprits.

1. No one. It was just an accident.
2. The Illuminati. Hey, it was their ship.
3. SHIELD. They had access to the ship, and they're all dirty lately.
4. Miek. Wants Hulk on the warpath again. Had total access to the ship.
5. The Brood. She's a Brood, and may have rigged things because she thought it's what Miek wanted.
6. Hiroim. He's the Oldstrong now, like he always wanted.
7. Elloe. Because she thought it would put her in power? Yeah, I know weak, but it could be worse...
8. Korg. Simply because he's the least likely choice, and therefor no one suspects him.
9. Agents of the Red King. It would make total sense, but be kind of anti-climactic.
10. Devil Hulk, or some other alternate personality in Bruce's head. Because Hulk can't let Hulk be happy.

Are there any prime suspects that I'm missing? Yeah, the little kids, but I'm willing to include them in the accident catagory.

[MAK15]

Im a gonna go with either 'accident' or 'Miek'

[PatchMadripoor]

Meik. He and Brood went into the ship to do something besides pull the video and see if they had compatible parts (HELLO!). He was still sore about not getting "Two-Hands" to help him. Whether he knew exactly just how bad the BOOM was should be revealed in the future.

[Ravenheart]

I have to go with Meik because he wanted the Hulk who he first met back.

[Kevinroc]

I honestly think it will be revealed as Miek and/ or The Brood.

But I'd prefer it was an accident caused by The Illuminati's recklessness. It would showcase that they are just as capable for reckless destruction as they claimed The Hulk was.

[Bryson the Red]

I honestly think it will be revealed as Miek and/ or The Brood.

But I'd prefer it was an accident caused by The Illuminati's recklessness. It would showcase that they are just as capable for reckless destruction as they claimed The Hulk was.

I see what you're saying... just... you know... if it's a accident, then I dont think it really proves anything against them, especially since its Hulks fault it went to that planet instead of the one where it was supposed to go. Im not saying what they did was right, but if it was an accident its just as much Hulk's fault as it is theirs.

[Hrungr]

I don't buy "accident" because the timing is way too convenient. From what we know Miek is still looking like the most likely suspect, perhaps intimidating the scientists there to rig it. I would suspect the Brood's involvement if it weren't for the fact that it was in the blast area when it went off and was later seen crying in the aftermath.

I could see the Illuminati being involved if Reed or Stark hit sent a signal for the shuttle to blow up when they learned he wasn't on the planet they sent him. In this case they assumed that the Hulk had regained control of it and was heading back. But since the shuttle was in a distant star system, the signal took longer to expected to reach it, but finally does in 105.

The shuttle could have also been programmed to self destruct when it landed, but in the crash the system was damaged. The Sakaar scientists had discected and studied the shuttle for over a year but only reassembled it in 105. When fixed, the autodestruct kicks in when it detects the Hulk's close proximity.

The latter two are looking more and more like longshots though. I do hope though that Pak doesn't play the predictable card with Miek being responsible for it though. A far from the left field twist would be more interesting. :)

[Karthak]

I doubt it was Miek because a little while before the ship exploded it seemed that he had accepted peace, and there's no way it was the Brood, because she was even shown crying because she couldn't save more than one of the children.

[StoneGold]

The latter two are looking more and more like longshots though. I do hope though that Pak doesn't play the predictable card with Miek being responsible for it though. A far from the left field twist would be more interesting. :)

So Korg, then.By virtue of being the least likely suspect, he is the most likely.

[rZi]

Accident or Miek

[Qoorl]

Not to jump on the 'Iron Man is the Devil!'bandwagon, but could it be possible that only ONE member of the illuminati sabotaged the ship, without the others knowing. Probably not Reed or Strange, doubt Black Bolt, but Iron Man could have done it he has the know how and being a futurist he knew that Hulk would make it back somehow.Or Namor could have done it to make the Hulk mad, prod him into coming back and then pin it on the rest of the Illuminati. Of course Namor's not really evil but who knows?

[Magneto Rocks]

Iron Man really has no reason to sabotage it after the thought.

I mean really, what on EARTH- or Sakaar for that matter, are the chances of Hulk being able to fly a spaceship back to Earth? I doubt he thinks it would be worth the effort, plus he'd be expecting that even if that happened it would be a normal Hulk, not superSakaar-Hulk, and he'd be alone.

[ivesaidway2much]

Iron Man really has no reason to sabotage it after the thought.

I mean really, what on EARTH- or Sakaar for that matter, are the chances of Hulk being able to fly a spaceship back to Earth? I doubt he thinks it would be worth the effort, plus he'd be expecting that even if that happened it would be a normal Hulk, not superSakaar-Hulk, and he'd be alone.Bruce Banner is one of the more intelligent people on the planet, and so is the merged Hulk. There's a pretty good chance one of them or some new intelligent Hulk persona would be able to figure out how to fly a fully operational spacecraft. If the Illuminati didn't plan to somehow sabotage the ship, the only thing they were counting on to keep the Hulk from coming back is the hope that none of his personas would want to.

[Slumber Hulk]

I think it was pretty clear that it was the Miek/Brood alliance. I also think before its all over the Hulk will have to battle with a few thousand Miek/Brood Hybrid bug baddies.

[Quinch]

Hiroim or the someone in Sheild.

I don't think it will be an accident - since if it is we would never know it. There's no ship , no black box and not much of the planet left. Seems a waste of a plot thread to me.

I'm picking Hiroim of the warbound, not just because he gained the old power but because he saw the Hulk as an anathema in the role of his prophet , the Sarkasson.
Or someone close to the illuminati/sheild who built the shuttle.

Or possibly, just possibly, Devil Hulk.

(last one is a post smoke thought).

[StoneGold]

Or possibly, just possibly, Devil Hulk.

(last one is a post smoke thought).

Ooo, interesting. Unlikely, as I don't think Devil Hulk has been brought up since Jenkins, but still a fun theory. I'm going to edit that one into the original list.

[Pro]

Iron Man really has no reason to sabotage it after the thought.

Yea because a futurist, who is so confident in his own calculations that he is willing to fight his friends to the death if need be to apeace a nation baying for superhero blood, couldn't possibly come up with a billion scenarios in which the hulk would come back in the same damn spaceship they used to shoot him into space with. Hell i can come up with a dozen or so and i don't claim to have Stark's intelligence. Rigging the ship to selfdestruct would make perfect sense. So i can fully see Stark ensuring the ship would explode even behind the backs of his fellow illuminati.

[myslead]

Miek is probably the reason of it.

While it was a not so brilliant idea to put that kind of reactor in Hulk's way.

[cable guy]

I'll go with #3, Shield.

[Samuraixsithlord]

i'm still sticking to my huge conspiracy theory linking Avengers Disassembled, HoM, Civil theory about someone pulling the strings and say it was an unknown third party

[Badfish40oz]

Stark. It was a hit attempt. Wasn't it just a little convienient how Xavier wasn't there when the exile was brought up? (No mind reading)

He's also got monitors spying on the original planet Hulk was meant to go to. (To make sure the hit was successful and if not plan accordingly)

He sends a VIDEO MESSAGE basically TELLING Hulk (A monster driven by RAGE) that they're betraying him, on a ship that apparently EXPLODES (planet destroying explosion) when damaged too much.

Then again wasn't Miek's species wiped on Sakaar before the explosion? Could be a resentment/revenge thing on his part.

[Qoorl]

OOh, one little thing to indicate that it could be Miek/Brood.... Hulk's enemy in Hulk: The End was.... BUGS! just roaches, but there is a connection.

[Magneto Rocks]

Stark. It was a hit attempt. Wasn't it just a little convienient how Xavier wasn't there when the exile was brought up? (No mind reading)[/quote[

Right. Stark engineered the ENTIRE House of M just to get rid of Xavier. We're definitely not stretching a bit too far now, absolutely no way!

[quote]He sends a VIDEO MESSAGE basically TELLING Hulk (A monster driven by RAGE) that they're betraying him, on a ship that apparently EXPLODES (planet destroying explosion) when damaged too much.

This whole thread is ABOUT what makes the ship explode!

[DaNerd]

I think it could be a combination of meik and brood, plus the scientists looking it over. The Illuminati had to figure that Bruce could very well rig the ship to return to earth. There may (MAY) have been a self destruct built in.. enough warning to let the hulk get away before the ship goes boom (or not) and the scientists activated it when they were examining the ship.

That way everyone is to blame.

[Doom]

I personally think it's an accident.

But what about the possibility it was one of the last creatures near the Shuttle. Namely the Gods Eye Satellite that Hulk was sent up to destroy.

It could have merged into his ship. Decided to blow up as a way of getting back at the Hulk.

[Psyco panda]

[QUOTE=Badfish40oz;4706832]Stark. It was a hit attempt. Wasn't it just a little convienient how Xavier wasn't there when the exile was brought up? (No mind reading)[/quote[

Right. Stark engineered the ENTIRE House of M just to get rid of Xavier. We're definitely not stretching a bit too far now, absolutely no way!



This whole thread is ABOUT what makes the ship explode!

1) Heres a crazy theory: Stark has wanted the registration for a long time. But any registration would have to include the mutant community, and the Xmen would not be happy about that. The mutants are a huge force in the world. There have been attempts to register them before, and it always ended badly.

M day basically removes the mutants from the equation, making registration much easier to pass. Its superhuman registration, and that includes mutants. Theres not that many left anyway. Plus it gets rid of many established powered people, allowing him to flood the ranks of the initiative with people he empowered, as established in Civil war 6. At the very least, they'd be grateful to have powers. And stark is such a control freak, he's probably built in ways to shut them down if he needs too. Like he did with the spider armor.

Getting rid of Xavier is just a bonus, as now he'd only have a token place in the illuminati, without any real power or authority, and the Xmen would fall into disorder and chaos without their leader, making them easier to control when the registration hits the fan.

The only real problem with it is you have to have Tony somehow controlling Wanda into No More Mutants. Difficult, but not impossible. Did we ever find out who those hooded people were with Xavier in HoM 1? Or was that a dangling plot thread?

I'm not saying i believe this is what happened, but that it could be BS'd to fit into a IM as a grand manipulator theory.

2) I think what he's trying to say is that Stark monitored the planet hulk was supposed to go too, realized he wasn't there, and then said 'Oh ****'. He could have sent a self destruct signal to the capsule.

[bandoogiemanz]

Could it possibly be......Cho? I know, probably doesn't make sense.

[StoneGold]

Could it possibly be......Cho? I know, probably doesn't make sense.

First he blows up Planet Hulk, then he shoots up Virginia Tech?



Too soon?



Seriously, he's about as likely as Korg. But there's so little opportunity, I don't think I'm going to edit him into the list. Because Julie Power is about as likely.

[Brad Barton]

How about Arch-E? He has no real motive, but then neither does Korg or Hiroim. I guess that makes him as likely as either of them, if not more. (under the rule that less conspicuous=more conspicuous.)

[StoneGold]

How about Arch-E? He has no real motive, but then neither does Korg or Hiroim. I guess that makes him as likely as either of them, if not more. (under the rule that less conspicuous=more conspicuous.)

Hiroim kind of has one. Go through the thread, it's mentioned. And reasonable enough to be semi-plausible. It's unlikely, but he has an actual motive. Unlike Korg, who has none, but I threw him in anyways, because he was the only Warbound not an obvious suspect. When you start to include guys like Arch-E, I might as well grab OHOTMU and start listing.

[Brad Barton]

When you start to include guys like Arch-E, I might as well grab OHOTMU and start listing.

Well, not necessarily, the rest of the Marvel U wasn't there, with access to the ship. Arch-E was. Not to mention he is a former servant of the Red-King, and could probably be programmed to tamper even against his will...

I dunno, I think ARch-E is a perfectly reasonable suspect.

[Smokeyjay]

Devil Hulks a cool idea but I don't think thats the direction Marvel wants to take with the Hulk.

If it was Devil Hulk, Hulk would become all emo and hide away in a cave, which would make it harder to make good stories.

I like the Hulk now where Banner and Hulk have a somewhat mutual understanding and Hulk isn't afraid to show his strength.

[Xanrn]

WTF, Stark hasn't wanted registration for a long time.

He didn't want registration at all, he just sided with the goverment and the people.

Stark wanted a council of Super-heroes, BP said no and walked away and Namor said only if its a secret mens club.