You Pick a Marvel Character's Origin

[drwho]

Are there any characters that you think need a different origin. If so who are they and how would you make their origin.


I kind of wish the whole origin of Sentry made more sense. I mean we are to believe some human came up with this super powered potion that is one of the most powerful things in the world if you drink it. Some ideas of ways to fix it.

1. The Celestials wanted to experiment on a human so one of their kind came to earth and took for of a man and planned the the whole thing with so Bob drank it.

2. The doctor who created the potion was in fact the High Evolutionary.

3. Somehow an alien was able to get some of galactuses blood and created the potion, or perhaps some how the cosmic cube or cosmic powers were tied into it.

4. Would be interesting if this plan was instigated by the cosmic gods of chaos and order where sentry would represent order and the void chaos.

I just think there has to be something cosmic tied this. Only way Sentrys origin will ever make sense to me.

[Haunt]

i'd make Simon Williams a soldier-turned-hollywood-stuntman instead of a businessman/embezzler. the man who would become the Grim Reaper would have been in the military with Simon. they would have been good friends/each others' guardian angel. Simon would save Eric's life after a grenade attack (giving Eric a face full of shrapnel). anyways, after their service is up Eric & Simon would pursue mercenary work for awhile. Eric would eventually go into the family business (organized crime). Simon, after a little muscle-ing from his friend, would find work as a stuntman & a b-movie actor. Simon, still traumatized by his time as a soldier, would also take to drinking and gambling. Eric (nicknamed 'Grim Reaper' because of his often morose demeanor) would employ Simon as an enforcer for the mob. no longer having a stomach for killing and a recurring gambling addiction soon make Simon a problem. Eric has him whacked/buried alive. it's from there that Zemo and company save him and make him into Wonder Man. all i was looking to do with the retcon is establish Simon as a fighter with a lot of personal flaws and separate him a little from Grim Reaper (never liked that they were brothers).

P.S. Grim Reaper would prove to be too ambitious for plain old organized crime. he'd join up and rise through the ranks of the Maggia.

[dbw8906]

I would merge the Punisher / Moon Knight into one character, Marc Castle.

Marc was a Chaplin for the Marines in Vietnam and after the war took over the duties of a Methodist Minister as pasturing a small Church in a rural town outside of Chicago. Early 1982 he moved to New York with his wife and Daughter after several years of being "called" to the Big Apple to Minster to the homeless.

In helping the needy (working in soup kitchens and such) he notices that several homeless individuals disappearing from his Sunday morning services. Marc begins investigating the missing people as his wife begs him not to risk his life and leave police work to the police. After several months of investigation he hears the word Khonshu at the end of every trail he goes down. Pressing further and further into the New York underworld he comes to find that the Cult of Khonshu is sacrificing the homeless in an attempt to bring their God back to life.

Marc brings all the information to the police and is treated with disregard as a crazy fool and pushed out the stations doors. Several days later his Mission and soup kitchen are burned to the ground, with many of his parishioners inside. His wife begs him to pack up bags and move back to the safety of the mid-west, but this pushes him harder to bust the cult. The next morning, he sends his wife and daughter back to the Windy City for their own safety.

The following evening he breaks into a Cult of Khonshu meeting planning to photograph the evidence and turn it into the police. Hooded figures are gathered around a cloth covered, moon shaped table as he begins to snap away. The cult begins a rhythmic chant as the leader pulls the cloth off the table and it's Marc's wife and daughter! He screams in anger just as a half moon shaped dagger ends their lives and a sudden blow to Marc's head send his world to black.

Flash to present day and a shotty house in the middle of the Nevada desert. The character we know as Marc sits in a corner but as the light slowly reveals him we find him aged and his body marred with ritual scars. Marc has no memory expect the constant image of his wife and daughter being slain. He runs around the house in a panic until he comes across a broken bathroom mirror and see's his own face. He stumbles out into the hot Nevada desert only have a shattering flash back run through his mind.

He sees the mutilated bodies of many people with a visage of a dark hooded figure (Khonshu) that says "Well done my faithful servant". Through a series of flashbacks and life events he discovered that the cult imparted the spirit of Khonshu into him and he became the killing hand of the dark God. He has spent the last 25 doing the God's bidding and now the time has come for Khonshu to enter this realm.

Khonshu lets Marc "in on the joke" and now torments him with the evil deeds he has done. Marc discovers that he still has the powers that Khonshu granted him and beings his own personal war on the cult to stop Khonshu for taking over this realm.

He finds that Khonshu is helping him occasionally and may believe that this is just all a game run by the dark God for his own enjoyment. Where does Marc go to figure out the truth or to make repentance for his sins.

[rwe1138]

Cloak & Dagger. Just to make it more confusing. :p

[Dooby Doo!]

I would merge the Punisher / Moon Knight into one character, Marc Castle.

Marc was a Chaplin for the Marines in Vietnam and after the war took over the duties of a Methodist Minister as pasturing a small Church in a rural town outside of Chicago. Early 1982 he moved to New York with his wife and Daughter after several years of being "called" to the Big Apple to Minster to the homeless.

In helping the needy (working in soup kitchens and such) he notices that several homeless individuals disappearing from his Sunday morning services. Marc begins investigating the missing people as his wife begs him not to risk his life and leave police work to the police. After several months of investigation he hears the word Khonshu at the end of every trail he goes down. Pressing further and further into the New York underworld he comes to find that the Cult of Khonshu is sacrificing the homeless in an attempt to bring their God back to life.

Marc brings all the information to the police and is treated with disregard as a crazy fool and pushed out the stations doors. Several days later his Mission and soup kitchen are burned to the ground, with many of his parishioners inside. His wife begs him to pack up bags and move back to the safety of the mid-west, but this pushes him harder to bust the cult. The next morning, he sends his wife and daughter back to the Windy City for their own safety.

The following evening he breaks into a Cult of Khonshu meeting planning to photograph the evidence and turn it into the police. Hooded figures are gathered around a cloth covered, moon shaped table as he begins to snap away. The cult begins a rhythmic chant as the leader pulls the cloth off the table and it's Marc's wife and daughter! He screams in anger just as a half moon shaped dagger ends their lives and a sudden blow to Marc's head send his world to black.

Flash to present day and a shotty house in the middle of the Nevada desert. The character we know as Marc sits in a corner but as the light slowly reveals him we find him aged and his body marred with ritual scars. Marc has no memory expect the constant image of his wife and daughter being slain. He runs around the house in a panic until he comes across a broken bathroom mirror and see's his own face. He stumbles out into the hot Nevada desert only have a shattering flash back run through his mind.

He sees the mutilated bodies of many people with a visage of a dark hooded figure (Khonshu) that says "Well done my faithful servant". Through a series of flashbacks and life events he discovered that the cult imparted the spirit of Khonshu into him and he became the killing hand of the dark God. He has spent the last 25 doing the God's bidding and now the time has come for Khonshu to enter this realm.

Khonshu lets Marc "in on the joke" and now torments him with the evil deeds he has done. Marc discovers that he still has the powers that Khonshu granted him and beings his own personal war on the cult to stop Khonshu for taking over this realm.

He finds that Khonshu is helping him occasionally and may believe that this is just all a game run by the dark God for his own enjoyment. Where does Marc go to figure out the truth or to make repentance for his sins.


I gotta be honest and say that this is pretty bad, it's to drastic and why merge two distinct characters? Especially the one guy in the Marvel U with the most realistic and straight forward origin in The Punisher.

[Dooby Doo!]

i'd make Simon Williams a soldier-turned-hollywood-stuntman instead of a businessman/embezzler. the man who would become the Grim Reaper would have been in the military with Simon. they would have been good friends/each others' guardian angel. Simon would save Eric's life after a grenade attack (giving Eric a face full of shrapnel). anyways, after their service is up Eric & Simon would pursue mercenary work for awhile. Eric would eventually go into the family business (organized crime). Simon, after a little muscle-ing from his friend, would find work as a stuntman & a b-movie actor. Simon, still traumatized by his time as a soldier, would also take to drinking and gambling. Eric (nicknamed 'Grim Reaper' because of his often morose demeanor) would employ Simon as an enforcer for the mob. no longer having a stomach for killing and a recurring gambling addiction soon make Simon a problem. Eric has him whacked/buried alive. it's from there that Zemo and company save him and make him into Wonder Man. all i was looking to do with the retcon is establish Simon as a fighter with a lot of personal flaws and separate him a little from Grim Reaper (never liked that they were brothers).

P.S. Grim Reaper would prove to be too ambitious for plain old organized crime. he'd join up and rise through the ranks of the Maggia.


I like it! It really cleans up Simon's story and gets to the heart of the matter.

[Syzygy]

Are there any characters that you think need a different origin. If so who are they and how would you make their origin.


I kind of wish the whole origin of Sentry made more sense. I mean we are to believe some human came up with this super powered potion that is one of the most powerful things in the world if you drink it. Some ideas of ways to fix it.

1. The Celestials wanted to experiment on a human so one of their kind came to earth and took for of a man and planned the the whole thing with so Bob drank it.

2. The doctor who created the potion was in fact the High Evolutionary.

3. Somehow an alien was able to get some of galactuses blood and created the potion, or perhaps some how the cosmic cube or cosmic powers were tied into it.

4. Would be interesting if this plan was instigated by the cosmic gods of chaos and order where sentry would represent order and the void chaos.

I just think there has to be something cosmic tied this. Only way Sentrys origin will ever make sense to me.

The Sentry's power is similar to that of the Eternals: stellar energy stored in body-cells, but controlled with psionics.

Possibly, the "potion" included Eternal formula or biotechnology, and that explains the transformation.

My best try.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

that potion thing was always stupid.


But Wolverine really needs a new origin. Origin was absolute crap. James Howlett the moon. Yikes.

[Dooby Doo!]

MoonKnight Origin revised:


The son of a rabbi, Marc Spector was groomed to follow in his fathers foot steps. Unfortunately fate had other plans for him, during the year of his 18th birthday, his father sent him to Isreal for study. While there Marc first became aware of the mythology of Khonshu, through one of his teachers the exccentric Prof. Cohen. Marc had a natural curiousity and interest in ancient history and in fact wanted to study archaeology, but his father of course wanted him to be a rabbi.

Marc and Prof. Cohen forged a close mentor/student bond over the next 12 months, Cohen every semester chose a handful of students to come with him to the Sudan to help the professor in his work excavating what he believed to be a temple dedicated to Khonshu and Cohen encouraged Marc to follow his calling instead of the wishes of his father. Cohen was an expert on Egytian and Nubian culture as well as astronomy specializing in lunar phenomena, and his work weighed heavily on him. Marc noticed the professor seemed almost obsessed with Khonshu and anything to do with the moon.

One night at the camp adjacent to the dig site, Cohen was sitting alone by lantern light consumed in his research papers, books and writings Marc approached not wanting to bother Cohen, the oldman asked Marc to sit and talk with him. Prof. Cohen told Marc something that he's been keeping to himself for a long, long time. Cohen went on to tell Marc about the connection of Khonshu to werewolves and the moon, and the lost hebrew tribes of antiquity and that Cohen himself is an ancestor of this lost tribe. Marc didn't know where this is going, but he listened intently.

Cohen told Marc that all werewolves were the bastard children of Khonshu and a human woman, a woman Khonshu as a deity found that he actually loved, but the goddess Bast who herself was in love with Khonshu cursed the human woman and her offspring saying, "Khonshu if you take so much pleasure lying with a low dog bitch of a human and not a goddess so will your union bring forth low breeds of man and beast!" Cohen claimed the lost tribe was of this cursed union and he too is cursed. Marc is thinking "What is this man smoking?" Cohen goes on to tell him how Khonshu feeling guilt and rage over what he rought on the world and Bast's betrayl that he decided to empower an avator among man to cleanse the land of his tainted children.

Cohen told Marc that he was seeking a means to cure himself and those of his kin who are cursed before Khonshu chooses another 'MoonKnight' to do his bidding. Cohen said his people have been able to make a pact with the god Khonshu for most of the 20th century through ancient rituals to spare his kind, but the pact was that they as werewolves would police their own and never feast on human flesh or worship the goddess Bast, but some of his kind have broken the pact their hunger for flesh overiding their judgement and jealousy over mankinds place as the dominant species. The professor tells Marc that he is a decendent of this tribe and that he knew it the moment he met the young man, Marc recoiled to the insanity the cohen is telling him.

Cohen assured Marc that he is not going to become a werewolf and that only a small percentage of the bloodline become lycanthropes and that Cohen has traced Marc's lineage and that he is of the 'Spectrovisky' line of Poland and that in fact his family is unique in that none of them have succumbed to the curse and show a strong resistance to werewolf bites in general; although a history of mental illness is a side effect to those of 'Spector' blood bitten by lycanthropes. Cohen tells Marc that he should be ever vigilant since werewolves loyal to Bast and worship her have always seeked out and hunted 'Spectors' since they are some of the few humans uniquely equipped to overcome their kind.

The end of the year, Marc headed home to the states and went about his life never forgetting the strange tale Prof.Cohen told him on that cold night in the Sudan. Marc also stood up to his dad and told him he's not gonna become a rabbi, angered his father made Marc choose either school to be a rabbi or Marc joins the military, Marc chose the Marines. He spent ten years in the service even going special forces, he excelled in soldiering. During mission in Lybia, Marc's life would change forever, his squad were on a covert mission, a joint effort with another squad led by John Bushmaster, a man Marc went through training with and both had a viseral hate for each other.

Needless to say the mission went badly many men on both teams lost their lives (Mostly due to Bushmaster's bloodlust and mistakes)and the remainder of the two units had to flee to northern africa. Then the slaughter, on their way to the Sudan they were traveling at night during a full moon the unit of men were attacked by a pack of creatures namely werewolves. Only Marc and Bushmaster managed to survive long enough to make it to a familiar dig site, now fully excavated and the ruins of a strange temple piercing through the sand. Marc recognized the area he led Bushmaster to the semi buried temple, hoping to find safety and also remembering Cohen and his wild story and a hope for a cure, now he believes completely.

They make it inside and the creatures seem to shy away from the temple almost in fear, while inside they see the statue ancient regalled in silver and carved in the finest stone. Bushmaster is in a unstable mental state and is brazingly blaming Marc for the cluster f--k they are in. Marc tries to calm the madman down, but his anger is too great and now he's stuck in a 'cave' with a guy he hates with werewolves outside. They decide to wait till sun up knowing in the movies werewolves turn back to normal during the day. While they take turns sleeping and waiting Bushmaster figures it's near sun up and that he can take the silver embossed artifacts to at least get something outta the situation and that the creatures should be gone by now or human with the sun nearly out, with Marc asleep he creeps out until Marc awakens and he and Bushmaster face off, Bush best Marc and takes his leave only to be no longer in the temple's protection he is quickly attacked by the creatures still there in their 'half-formed' state even when tranmutating to 'human' the beasts ravage Bushmaster, the man screams and screams, Hears a voice telling him to "Abide me" "Be my Fist!" Marc without hesitation goes to save Bushmaster. Somehow he's able to best the monsters and saves the foolish Bushmaster. Mark kills all the beasts and he passes out.

Three hours later...Marc wakes up to a sunbaked terrain, Bushmaster know where in site. He hears the voice again telling him to come before the idol in the temple. Marc complies and in exhaustion falls before the stone image of Khonshu and thanks god that he survived this nightmare. The statue compels Marc to look up and the voice says "I am your savior, I am your god, none before me, my Fist of Khonshu.."



Marc walks out the temple tired and haggard with a new purpose, in the distance he sees a group of men in military jeeps with french writing on the side. The vehicles pull up beside him, and peculiar looking french man with a twirly mustache hops out the car and asks "Need a lift monsuier?" Marc smiles a kackling laugh and says "Frenchie I think I love you."


Jump to that seminal issue of Were by Night and there you go..

[Dooby Doo!]

What too much to read?

[rZi]

I remember watching an interview with stan lee on youtube about the possible origin for Wolverine...at first he was gonna be an animal that was altered by the high evolutionary but i think he said this type of origin was tryed with another character and didn't go down to well...then his popularity made it near impossible to tell that story as fans would reject it.

[Lanowar]

I remember watching an interview with stan lee on youtube about the possible origin for Wolverine...at first he was gonna be an animal that was altered by the high evolutionary but i think he said this type of origin was tryed with another character and didn't go down to well...then his popularity made it near impossible to tell that story as fans would reject it.

That would be one of the 5 Spider Woman origins.

[Lanowar]

Are there any characters that you think need a different origin. If so who are they and how would you make their origin.


I kind of wish the whole origin of Sentry made more sense. I mean we are to believe some human came up with this super powered potion that is one of the most powerful things in the world if you drink it. Some ideas of ways to fix it.

1. The Celestials wanted to experiment on a human so one of their kind came to earth and took for of a man and planned the the whole thing with so Bob drank it.

2. The doctor who created the potion was in fact the High Evolutionary.

3. Somehow an alien was able to get some of galactuses blood and created the potion, or perhaps some how the cosmic cube or cosmic powers were tied into it.

4. Would be interesting if this plan was instigated by the cosmic gods of chaos and order where sentry would represent order and the void chaos.

I just think there has to be something cosmic tied this. Only way Sentrys origin will ever make sense to me.


Would'nt it make sense that if you increased the amount of stuff that made the Super Solider Serum you'd get a stronger serum? It seems possible that they were simply trying to recreate the serum and got the doesage wrong and created a strong serum. Your origins are all a little to complicated remember Marvel origins should'nt be complicated they should be "wam" and your done.

Bitten by a radioactive (or if your a JMS fan) mystical spider
Your a mutant
Toxic waste to the eyes
Your a Ninja
Your shuttle was bombarded by cosmic waves
Your a ninja AND a mutant
Trained by the anicent one
Your the god of thunder
Lab experiment gone wrong
Exposed to gamma radiation
Raised by mystics in an anicent city

Any attempt to complicate said origins is just stupid and an attempt at ego tripping. Because in the end no one will remember your reboot of an origin they'll just remember the classic origin story for better or for worse.

[cable guy]

I understand people's argument for Sentry, but drinking a potion that makes you Superman, is really pushing the envelope.

[Omega Alpha]

I understand people's argument for Sentry, but drinking a potion that makes you Superman, is really pushing the envelope.

So, being bitten by a radioative spider is fine? The origin of Sentry's powers is as simple as it could be, no need to change it.

[Novaya Havoc]

I'd redo Sage's. Where's Bakla's origin? I should hotlink!

[cable guy]

So, being bitten by a radioative spider is fine? The origin of Sentry's powers is as simple as it could be, no need to change it.


Gamma bomb, cosmic rays, and radioactive spiders did create Marvel superheroes as we know them. Besides a gamma bomb is pretty cool.

But common, this guy drank the super soldier serum(or something like it), and became Superman level.

[Dooby Doo!]

Bump and bump

[Dooby Doo!]

Bumpy bump

[Shyft]

I understand people's argument for Sentry, but drinking a potion that makes you Superman, is really pushing the envelope.

I just dont see how this is any worse than the powers origins of Hulk, Wonderman, Yellow Jacket. One is turned into the potentially strongest being in the universe by "gamma rays" the other is "ionized" and turned into a Superman-esque immortal, and one discovers a whole new type of particle that can make him grow or shrink? As far as i can see, the Super Soldier Serum being improved upon and developed into something that could make the Sentry fits in with all of those.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yeah

Spidermans origin is sort of fake scientific. The spider transfured its mutant dnas into peter or whatever, and he got spiderpowers


Sentry drank some kool-aid and suddenly he can fly? Kool Aid cant fly. 4 realz

[HeckBoy]

I don't think we need any more former-military-men-turned-superhero origins. Although it makes sense in terms of how they have the fighting skills and tactical training, it gets old fast. I'd be pretty picky about which characters get that sort of origin, but I'd prefer to stay with the everyman-turned-superhero shtick.

[Dooby Doo!]

I just dont see how this is any worse than the powers origins of Hulk, Wonderman, Yellow Jacket. One is turned into the potentially strongest being in the universe by "gamma rays" the other is "ionized" and turned into a Superman-esque immortal, and one discovers a whole new type of particle that can make him grow or shrink? As far as i can see, the Super Soldier Serum being improved upon and developed into something that could make the Sentry fits in with all of those.


In my opinion it's better than most of DC's superhero origins, at least Marvel(Stan Lee at all..) tried to find a semi-scientific reason for a lot of their characters. That's why I think most Marvel heroes translate so well to the big screen all it takes is a slight tweaking of the origin exp: Spidey being bitten by a genetically engineered 'super spider' instead of a radioactive one.

His origin is almost exactly the same in the movie as it is in the comic, all they changed was the actual science behind it.

Marvel could update the science behind alot of the heroes, but I still think for the most part their origins are serviceable on the whole.

[ddqfpluskick]

My choice

Jubilee - Just so I can get rid of the god aweful raincoat. Burn it, burn it I say.

[Chiasm]

Nightcrawler

Take him back to his original origin in that he was just a mutant. The whole Draco thing where he is descended from demons or however it went is horrible.

[Monty_Cristo]

Nightcrawler

Take him back to his original origin in that he was just a mutant. The whole Draco thing where he is descended from demons or however it went is horrible.

*raises glass* amen to that. i'd actually like to extend that to all of the mutants. Peter David's a great writer but that killcrop stuff is a real turn off, for me. and i feel the same way about all of the winged mutants or 'lupine' mutants being related. i like the x-gene and think it's just fine the way it is.

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so as not to waste a poste, i would also like to give Sue Richards some kind of science background (like her Ultimate counterpart). i think it would give them more of a shared reason to explore other dimensions. i'm not sure what area she'd specialize in though.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

He was a mutant, just of a demon looking clan or whatever

See taht was the great thing about Austen's run. He retconned the bible. Brass balls on that one.

[Monty_Cristo]

He was a mutant, just of a demon looking clan or whatever

See taht was the great thing about Austen's run. He retconned the bible. Brass balls on that one.

yes, i don't like the idea of mutant 'clans.' it's hokey considering how random most mutations have been, since i've been reading comics.

[drwho]

How would they explain the guthrie family,

1 has blast powers
1 has bird wings
1 can rip her skin off and turn into creatures
1 was depowered

That right there proves it is bs.