Hulk vs Spider-man

[MrHooligan13]

Any idea what role Spider-man will play in WWH?

[Servo]

Unwilling combatant, I'd say. Seeing as at least some of the battle is going to take place in Manhattan, I guess Spidey comes in to help try and calm/subdue the Hulk and help prevent civillian casualties. I'm guessing that Hulk will think Spidey's trying to trick him and will look at him as just another costumed annoyance and attack him.

That's my guess, anyway.

[Mike Smash!]

I could see him getting involved in a peripheral way, since he's now one of Dr. Strange's teammates on the New Avengers.

Most of the Illuminati have teammates, whether its the Inhumans, the Fantastic Four or the New and Mighty Avengers.

[StoneGold]

Distraction, trying not to get squished, or guy whom the other members of the New Avengers run interference for so he can push the big button that does something.


Or maybe just to be all self-referential, saying "Incredible!" when Hulk does something neato, like in Civil War.

[agrich]

Probably punch him in the crotch again.

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[Syzygy]

Probably punch him in the crotch again.


Wasn't that during his "cosmic-spidey" phase?

[Loner]

There was a conversation a couple of years ago between Peter and Mary Jane where he confessed to her that while the heroes don't like to talk about it, they all privately think about how they would stop each other if they absolutely had to. He said he had thought of a way to beat the Hulk if necessary, and I think intimated that it would likely kill them both. It will be interesting to see if the writers remember that and have Peter debate whether it's time to go to that plan.

[Hrungr]

There was a conversation a couple of years ago between Peter and Mary Jane where he confessed to her that while the heroes don't like to talk about it, they all privately think about how they would stop each other if they absolutely had to. He said he had thought of a way to beat the Hulk if necessary, and I think intimated that it would likely kill them both. It will be interesting to see if the writers remember that and have Peter debate whether it's time to go to that plan.
Hell, if you're gonna dream... dream big. :D

The only way Spidey kills the Hulk is if he just happens to be Banner at the time or maybe if runs up and grabs onto him with half a dozen gamma bombs strapped to his back...

[StoneGold]

Probably punch him in the crotch again.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/328-1.jpg

That wasn't a punch. Pairs ice skating. You can't see the skates because Hulk's feet are too big, and Spidey's are cut off the bottom of the page.

[Jerry W. Loper]

There was a conversation a couple of years ago between Peter and Mary Jane where he confessed to her that while the heroes don't like to talk about it, they all privately think about how they would stop each other if they absolutely had to. He said he had thought of a way to beat the Hulk if necessary, and I think intimated that it would likely kill them both. It will be interesting to see if the writers remember that and have Peter debate whether it's time to go to that plan.

Pete was probably thinking of wringing Hulk's neck while he was puny Banner. :D

[Loner]

Hell, if you're gonna dream... dream big. :D

The only way Spidey kills the Hulk is if he just happens to be Banner at the time or maybe if runs up and grabs onto him with half a dozen gamma bombs strapped to his back...

I assumed it was a technological solution, not his puny spider-fists...

[ivesaidway2much]

I assumed it was a technological solution, not his puny spider-fists...Isn't Bruce Banner smarter than Peter Parker?

[Brad Barton]

Any idea what role Spider-man will play in WWH?

yes, that of a wet-towel being wringed out till it's dry. except the towel will be Spidey, and the water will be radioactive Spider-blood.

[Loner]

Isn't Bruce Banner smarter than Peter Parker?

Yeah, I said he'd thought of how to stop the Hulk, not the Maestro. I'm sure it's contingent on his being the not-terribly-bright Hulk as well.

[Arilou]

Isn't Bruce Banner smarter than Peter Parker?

Depends. Certainly more well-educated, and when it comes to radiology I suspect that he'd beat him by a lot.

Peter's a chemist if I recall correctly though. Might very well be able to cook something up that Banner doesen't think of.

[rZi]

Isn't Bruce Banner smarter than Peter Parker?

Peter is alot above average in terms of science (mainly chemistry i believe) and is generaly smart and has common sense. Bruce on the other hand is a Physicists...clearly a very talented one because he was employeed by the U.S army.

To quote wikipedia:
"The core personality, an emotionally-suppressed genius, rating amongst Reed Richards and Tony Stark as one of the greatest minds in the Marvel Universe."

[ivesaidway2much]

Peter is alot above average in terms of science (mainly chemistry i believe) and is generaly smart and has common sense. Bruce on the other hand is a Physicists...clearly a very talented one because he was employeed by the U.S army.
Bruce Banner as the inventor of the gamma bomb is definitely a brilliant physicist. But he's also experimented on his body enough times trying to figure out a cure for his condition, that I would think he's become an expert biologist. He's definitely way above average in the intelligence department.
To quote wikipedia:
"The core personality, an emotionally-suppressed genius, rating amongst Reed Richards and Tony Stark as one of the greatest minds in the Marvel Universe."I haven't read that much Spider-man. I do know that Peter is smart, but what has he done that would put him on Reed Richards' level?

[chrismileslord]

Bruce Banner as the inventor of the gamma bomb is definitely a brilliant physicist. But he's also experimented on his body enough times trying to figure out a cure for his condition, that I would think he's become an expert biologist. He's definitely way above average in the intelligence department.
I haven't read that much Spider-man. I do know that Peter is smart, but what has he done that would put him on Reed Richards' level?

Reed's level? Nothing, but he can outsmart tony stark.

[Quinch]

Well Spidey dropped that truck on Hulk and beat him... Maybe it was loaded with ritalin?

[DannyV_El_Acme]

That's the thing, I think Spider-Man's a lot more cunning and resourceful than a lot of the so-called "genius" characters. Yeah, Reed Richards can blow Spider-Man science-wise out of the water, but can anybody here say with a straight face that Reed's MORE INTELLIGENT than Spidey? I dunno about you guys, but half of the s#it that happens in the Marvel U at any given time is Reed Richards's fault for being such a friggin' dumbass. In fact, I've always though Reed's an idiot-savant: an incredible scientific mind which doesn't work at all for the small stuff.

I think we have to make a distinction between scientific knowledge and actual intelligence. Tony Stark is a good example of being both scientifically gifted AND being intelligent. Spider-Man may not be a scientific ubermind, but he can hol his own and can understand standard scientific concepts well, but he's also an incredibly gifted strategist and a guy who can quickly think on his feet. I think Spider-Man would be able to do more against the Hulk with his "regular" brain than Reed Richards with his "gifted" one.

[ivesaidway2much]

Well Spidey dropped that truck on Hulk and beat him... Maybe it was loaded with ritalin?Ugh, that was truly a craptacular story, poorly thought-out story. A truck falling from the second story of a building under construction? That's what you use to take out the Vulture or the Kingpin. Heck, I don't even think that would be enough to take down the Venom. But to knockout the Hulk; that was just ridiculous.

[ivesaidway2much]

I think Spider-Man would be able to do more against the Hulk with his "regular" brain than Reed Richards with his "gifted" one.That's crazy talk. Reed Richards owns the Hulk like no other. I've lost count of the number of times Reed Richards has used his [insert deus ex machina device] to defeat the Hulk. He's probably the only reason the Hulk hasn't given the Thing permanent brain damage.

[gideon]

Question, does anyone know the issue that was referenced, when Peter was speaking to MJ about how heroes plan to take down each other, if needed?

[StoneGold]

That's crazy talk. Reed Richards owns the Hulk like no other. I've lost count of the number of times Reed Richards has used his [insert deus ex machina device] to defeat the Hulk. He's probably the only reason the Hulk hasn't given the Thing permanent brain damage.

True, except for two things - he generally needs the rest of the Four backing him up long enough to pull out his deus ex machina, and he generally solves a problem by solving the science of it. Thing is, I'm not sure how much solving the science of an invading army is going to do. Then again, if you have the theoretical mind of Reed combined with the applied mind of Tony, hell, WWH should be wrapped up inside of next Tuesday. The only thing missing from that package is, well, the strategic mind of Captain America. Oops.

[Red Lotus]

Wasn't that during his "cosmic-spidey" phase?

I love that issue. He knocked the Hulk in to Space and then had to fly up there to save him.


There was a conversation a couple of years ago between Peter and Mary Jane where he confessed to her that while the heroes don't like to talk about it, they all privately think about how they would stop each other if they absolutely had to. He said he had thought of a way to beat the Hulk if necessary, and I think intimated that it would likely kill them both. It will be interesting to see if the writers remember that and have Peter debate whether it's time to go to that plan.

I think it was some thing about making the Hulk burn his self out.


I haven't read that much Spider-man. I do know that Peter is smart, but what has he done that would put him on Reed Richards' level?

I dont know about being on Richards level. But the guy did make Spider-tracers, Web fluid and Webshooters when he was like 15. I think Norman once brought up the fact that with how smart Peter is if he hadn't spent all his time playing hero that he could have really help the world.

Hank Pym once told him (after finding out that as a kid Peter built an electonic device that would interface with his powers. Some thing Hank spent years to build into his own helmet) that he didn't know what was worse the fact that some kid was smarter then him or the fact that kid was wasting that talent on punch thugs.

[Gnarl]

There was a conversation a couple of years ago between Peter and Mary Jane where he confessed to her that while the heroes don't like to talk about it, they all privately think about how they would stop each other if they absolutely had to. He said he had thought of a way to beat the Hulk if necessary, and I think intimated that it would likely kill them both. It will be interesting to see if the writers remember that and have Peter debate whether it's time to go to that plan.

I believe it was implied that Peter had figured out something related to how the Hulk turns into Banner occasionally -he needs to. Or so Peter though. He had just defeated another gammapowered villain by making him burn himself out.
And I though he implied that he could stop the Hulk, but only by killing him.

Of course it was a superhero talking to his woman. He may have been...exagregating a bit.

[Red Lotus]

Question, does anyone know the issue that was referenced, when Peter was speaking to MJ about how heroes plan to take down each other, if needed?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/diggerspdm.htm

Amazing Spider-Man V2 54 (494)- After analyzing the green goo, Spidey found out that the only thing holding Digger together was the gamma radiation, since the differences between the cells of the Thirteen would naturally reject each other. Then Peter theorized that when the Hulk turned back to Bruce Banner, it's because he was recharging, because turning into a green behemoth had a big strain on his system, and he needed to build up again until his energy levels were up, and adrenaline triggered another transformation. He thought it must be the same with Digger, only since he couldn't turn human, he was constantly losing energy. He could rest, but it just was not the same. So all Spider-Man had to do was wear Digger out until he ran out of juice.

[ivesaidway2much]

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/diggerspdm.htm

Amazing Spider-Man V2 54 (494)- After analyzing the green goo, Spidey found out that the only thing holding Digger together was the gamma radiation, since the differences between the cells of the Thirteen would naturally reject each other. Then Peter theorized that when the Hulk turned back to Bruce Banner, it's because he was recharging, because turning into a green behemoth had a big strain on his system, and he needed to build up again until his energy levels were up, and adrenaline triggered another transformation. He thought it must be the same with Digger, only since he couldn't turn human, he was constantly losing energy. He could rest, but it just was not the same. So all Spider-Man had to do was wear Digger out until he ran out of juice.Hmm, so Spidey can't kill the Hulk. But is this the issue where he told MJ he thought he could? I thought that came at later point. Though, I'm not entirely sure since I read most of this run in tpb form and completely out of order.

[Magneto Rocks]

Actually, the pre-referenced conversation in ASM was a very good one which unfortunately has probably been forgotten, as he pointed out that most heroes when they meet up unconsciously (or, apparantly, consciously in shellhead's case and most likely Cap's) work out how to beat one another if it comes to that and he thought he could take out the Hulk, but the only way to stop him would be to kill him.

Unfortunately this is Greg "Hulk is better than the best thing ever" Pak and not JM "Lets try to use rational storytelling" Straczynski, so I have no doubt it will be forgotten in favour of Hulk smashing people.

[Quinch]

You really don't like Hulk very much do you :)

[Jack]

Hank Pym once told him (after finding out that as a kid Peter built an electonic device that would interface with his powers. Some thing Hank spent years to build into his own helmet) that he didn't know what was worse the fact that some kid was smarter then him or the fact that kid was wasting that talent on punch thugs.Reed once said that Peter's test scores as a teenager were as high as his own at that age. The difference between them isn't exactly in natural intelligence so much as it is in knowledge and experience. If Peter had never become Spider-Man then he might have reached the same sort of heights as Reed, Tony and the other super scientists. But, of course, Peter has saved the world a bunch of times, so, you know, whatever.I dont know about being on Richards level. But the guy did make Spider-tracers, Web fluid and Webshooters when he was like 15. I think Norman once brought up the fact that with how smart Peter is if he hadn't spent all his time playing hero that he could have really help the world.Don't forget the ANTI-MAGNETIC INVERTER! My favourite of Peter's crazy inventions. The Vulture shows up for the first time, having spent years developing flight technology, and Peter takes one night to build a device that completely neutralises his technology.

[Red Lotus]

Hmm, so Spidey can't kill the Hulk. But is this the issue where he told MJ he thought he could? I thought that came at later point. Though, I'm not entirely sure since I read most of this run in tpb form and completely out of order.

It the same issue. At the end MJ question him about how he use this plan to beat Digger who powers came from Gamma radiation like the Hulk's and that it seem like some thing he had been working on for some time. After awhile Peter comes out and tells her that yeah he has a plan to stop the Hulk but it would kill the Hulk too.

[myslead]

Don't forget the ANTI-MAGNETIC INVERTER! My favourite of Peter's crazy inventions. The Vulture shows up for the first time, having spent years developing flight technology, and Peter takes one night to build a device that completely neutralises his technology.

talk about being owned lol.

[DoctorDoom]

There was a conversation a couple of years ago between Peter and Mary Jane where he confessed to her that while the heroes don't like to talk about it, they all privately think about how they would stop each other if they absolutely had to. He said he had thought of a way to beat the Hulk if necessary, and I think intimated that it would likely kill them both. It will be interesting to see if the writers remember that and have Peter debate whether it's time to go to that plan.
That was during the whole Mystical spider saga I believe. I wouldn't put too much stock in it... with all due respect to fans of ithat saga.

[Smokeyjay]

The thing is that its all theoretical.

And Hulk has a deus ex machina strength that has defied physics numerous times.

One time Doom had Hulk locked up and was shocked when Hulk broke free and proceeded to beat Doom before escaping. I would think that Doom would be the guy to plan out all contigencies.

And I would figure that a guy like Banner would probably have tried out all sorts of ways to cure himself of Hulk.

[Loner]

Peter has always been depicted as being up there or nearly with the other guys in terms of intellect, just lacking the time to devote to his formal schooling due to his monetary woes and villains.

[ivesaidway2much]

Peter has always been depicted as being up there or nearly with the other guys in terms of intellect, just lacking the time to devote to his formal schooling due to his monetary woes and villains.I've never really bought this excuse. Tony Stark had time to get drunk, bang models, run a multi-billion dollar company, save the world, and still make major modification to the Iron man armor. Reed Richards did pretty much the same thing except with more inventions and less sex and booze (I don't know where his priorities are :confused:).

While granted I don't read much Spider-man and I could be completely wrong, but the impression I got is that for a while Peter's largest source of income came from taking pictures of himself. So how many hours is he spending in costume, that he can't spare an hour or two to challenge himself mentally and maybe churn out a couple of money-making inventions? It would seem to me that Peter's real archnemesis is time management. Maybe someone should talk to him about investing in a PDA or something.

[Thursaiz]

It will all depend on what role the 'New Avengers' play. Since Dr. Strange is an Illuminati, he will probably be targetted. I can imagine that Wolverine will as well. Since it is mentioned that Hercules will ally with Hulk against Iron Man and friends, I have to assume that the New Avengers might try and sit this one out. If they show up and fight, they will all be arrested.

Unless...Tony offers them amnesty in exchange for their help against Hulk.

[Sparda]

I've never really bought this excuse. Tony Stark had time to get drunk, bang models, run a multi-billion dollar company, save the world, and still make major modification to the Iron man armor. Reed Richards did pretty much the same thing except with more inventions and less sex and booze (I don't know where his priorities are :confused:).

While granted I don't read much Spider-man and I could be completely wrong, but the impression I got is that for a while Peter's largest source of income came from taking pictures of himself. So how many hours is he spending in costume, that he can't spare an hour or two to challenge himself mentally and maybe churn out a couple of money-making inventions? It would seem to me that Peter's real archnemesis is time management. Maybe someone should talk to him about investing in a PDA or something.
Thing is, with Peter's income back then, he does'nt have the luxary of having high tech labs and such like Tony and Reed have. Plus he's not really great at multi-tasking and focuses more on keeping his identity a secret (back then of course) and struggling with rent money and such that he has very little time for it. While Tony is loaded and does'nt have to worry about money problems, has his own lab, and hell has a organized schedule. Reed just focuses everything on inventing stuff but he would do alot more if it was'nt for the focus of finding Ben Grimm a cure.

Only time Peter really did have time to do the science stuff was when he was Stark's lackey but even back then, the Civil War being a problem and all, he was too worried about the event than actually spending time in a lab. He did mess around with his Iron spider suit a bit but that's about it. I'm hoping that with Dr. Strange, he would create Peter a lab and have him be the science guy of the team, and really do hope Bendis focuses on doing so.

[Quinch]

I wouldn't leave the house if I was married to MJ.
That is all.

[CMBMOOL]

Everyone love Spider-man, so him battling the Hulk would be just cool to see, although the Hulk outclass him in strength. :D

[DoctorDoom]

Actually, the pre-referenced conversation in ASM was a very good one which unfortunately has probably been forgotten, as he pointed out that most heroes when they meet up unconsciously (or, apparantly, consciously in shellhead's case and most likely Cap's) work out how to beat one another if it comes to that and he thought he could take out the Hulk, but the only way to stop him would be to kill him.

Unfortunately this is Greg "Hulk is better than the best thing ever" Pak and not JM "Lets try to use rational storytelling" Straczynski, so I have no doubt it will be forgotten in favour of Hulk smashing people.
Not a GP fan I take it?

[Quinch]

OR a hulk fan - which really begs the question...

[Kevinroc]

Actually, the pre-referenced conversation in ASM was a very good one which unfortunately has probably been forgotten, as he pointed out that most heroes when they meet up unconsciously (or, apparantly, consciously in shellhead's case and most likely Cap's) work out how to beat one another if it comes to that and he thought he could take out the Hulk, but the only way to stop him would be to kill him.

Unfortunately this is Greg "Hulk is better than the best thing ever" Pak and not JM "Lets try to use rational storytelling" Straczynski, so I have no doubt it will be forgotten in favour of Hulk smashing people.

If you actually understood Planet Hulk, you'd see that Pak is not a "Hulk is better than the best thing ever" story teller.

Pak has shown us that The Hulk is afraid of his own rage and is well-aware of the reaction he causes. The Hulk is not going to be written as the most noble being in the universe.

The Hulk doesn't fit the traditional super hero or super villain paradigm. He's always made some readers a little uncomfortable because of that. So why do you think Pak is writing a "Hulk is better than the best thing ever" anyway?

[mattx110]

spidey would be too busy saving lives to fight the hulk.

he's brilliant, but the time he'd be in the lab is time he wouldn't be stopping terrorists or bank robbers, or random supervillains from hurting people.
he has his priorities, and he'll teach chemistry, but when it comes down to it, he'd rather do something that has a direct effect.

spiderman is his life. then he's got his school, and his wife.

reed is a scientist who adventures on the side.
tony's superheroing relies on him staying about current technology. he needs to be a scientist or he doesn't work as a character.

spiderman is too busy helping people and maintaining a life to make "find renewable energy source" a high priority.

[Flash230]

I've never really bought this excuse. Tony Stark had time to get drunk, bang models, run a multi-billion dollar company, save the world, and still make major modification to the Iron man armor. Reed Richards did pretty much the same thing except with more inventions and less sex and booze (I don't know where his priorities are :confused:).

Don't forget that Richards & Stark "became powered" as adults, while Parker was a teen when he became Spider"Man" so...Reed & Tony would have been able to devote many more years to the pursuit of education in which they didn't have to spread themselves thin "going out on patrol" etc...

[Love Machine]

Y'know I've often been troubled by the fact that Spidey no longer is the sciencific genius that he was in the early Lee era.

And I have a theory

After the death of Gwen, which came about mainly throught a madman's use of science, consciously or even sub-consciously Peter chose to retreat from that part of his life and become, even more so, a (super) man of the people....

....thou it helps to have a supermodel waiting for you when you get home... Time with MJ, or a dusty old lab, decisions, decisions

[Brad Barton]

If it comes down to pure intellect, Bruce Banner is far out of PP's league. Banner is considered one of the smartest men in the Marvel U, often mentioned alongside names like Reed Richards, Hank Pym, Tony Stark and T'Challa.....and though Peter is definitely a whiz kid, he's no Super-Genius.

[Kilobyte70]

I am a huge of the I. Hulk and I would usually say he would win hands down..but unfortunately I happen to know this:
The conversation takes place in Amazing Spider-man Vol 2 #54. It goes like this:
"SPIDEY: Everybody in our odd little community would deny it, but we all watch each other when we cross paths, looking for weaknesses, in case that day ever comes. In case they ever have to stop me...or I ever have to stop them. But we never talk about it. Ever.
MJ: So in that case... you must've thought about how to beat the Hulk.
S: That's right.
MJ: So does that mean you've figured out how to beat him?

Then Spidey hits his thumb with a hammer and tries to change the subject.

MJ: ...Could you really beat the Hulk?
S: Yeah. Yeah, I could. But the only way to do it, to really stop him, would be to kill him."

The only way i can imagine spidey doing something like that would be to crate some sort of device which can suck the gamma radiation out of the hulk and thereby virtually 'killing' him and possibly banner too.