LSH - after Waid & JLA/JSA xover, what next? *SPOILERS*

[GreggBert]

So there's been no new writing team announced (unless Bedard stays on), and the original LSH appears to be returning in JLA/JSA - any theories on what comes next for the LSH? Will the current series end, or transition back to an earlier (and let's face it - more familiar / comfortable) version of the team? I for one am ready to see Shakari sitting in her living room, looking into a snowglobe where the current published team resides....

[Lex]

I think it's too early to tell. The end of 52 is supposed to change the status quo of the universe, so that might give us a better idea on whether both different Legions can co-exist or not.

For me, personally, I really enjoy Waid's version of the characters. I thought he did a good job of updating the characters and concept. I would like to see it continue, but we'll see.

[Paul Newell]

I for one am ready to see Shakari sitting in her living room, looking into a snowglobe where the current published team resides....
That'd be a bit difficult since the Legion showing up in the 21st Century is the Pre-Crisis Legion, not the Post-Crisis. Dawnstar certainly...

[Kid Kyoto]

Hopefully they'll reboot the title, we've had the same Legion since 2004 and I think we need a fresh new one that's more in tune with Today's readers, I mean who wants to read about their older brother's legion?

[Billy]

I'm enjoying Mark Waid's Legion of Super Heroes! Why would they reboot again, that would be dumb!

[Kid Kyoto]

I'm enjoying Mark Waid's Legion of Super Heroes! Why would they reboot again, that would be dumb!

Why reboot a successful comic with well-established characters and a history and tons of potential and long-running story lines?

Cause it's the Legion! It's a tradition!

Long Reboot the Legion!

[Nintendite]

I'm enjoying Mark Waid's Legion of Super Heroes! Why would they reboot again, that would be dumb!



There are several things constant in the comics industry (these are the top 10):

1. Death that ends up being temporary
2. Nazis as villains
3. Aliens as villains
4. Common crooks as villains
5. Apes, particularly talking ones
6. Zombies
7. Giant crossover events that are the most important thing ever to occur to the heroes but in the end don't really change anything.
8. LEGION REBOOTS
9. Jack Kirby Characters
10. Pseudoscientifical explanations for powers

[Kid Kyoto]

I think in the next reboot they should make all the charactres who are girls into guys and all the characters who are guys into girls and all the characters who have no gender into superpets and all the superpets into people and that Krypto should be the leader and that a time traveling teen aged Anthro should be a member.

That would be awesome.

[Paul Newell]

Fighting the time-displaced, stampeding mammoths from Crisis on Infinite Earths #2!

[MazingMan728]

Lets not give the Legion another reboot or a relaunch but a RETURN. At the end of Waid's run on the last page we have Dramgirl wake up from a nightmare where the Legion has been changed over...and over...And over...AND OVER but then she looks around and all is fine in the pre-Crisis world.

[Matthew E]

To actually answer the original question...

It's too early to tell.

We don't know what situation the JLA/JSA crossover is going to leave the original Legion in (although it's hard not to expect Starman to remain with the JSA).

As was stated, we don't know the exact nature and composition of post-52 DC reality.

We can be pretty sure that Bedard isn't going to make any drastic changes in his six issues (he's said as much), but we don't have any notion what's coming after that. I hope DC isn't silly enough to reboot the Legion again, but it's not like the current version is selling so well that DC will believe that they can't afford to do without the current version.

[Billy]

Why reboot a successful comic with well-established characters and a history and tons of potential and long-running story lines?

Cause it's the Legion! It's a tradition!

Long Reboot the Legion!

I count two major reboots, after the 5yr gap and crisis damaged the book and after DnA run. You argue the book was successful at the time of the reboot, I say No! I'm glad D'n'A era ended, they were just starting to repeat the same storylines. That and Projectra was a snake from a planet run by Racoons!

[Billy]

I wouldn't mind Tony Bedard on the title fulltime, we just need a decent artist, someone that can match Barry Kitson.

[Kid Kyoto]

I count two major reboots, after the 5yr gap and crisis damaged the book and after DnA run. You argue the book was successful at the time of the reboot, I say No! I'm glad D'n'A era ended, they were just starting to repeat the same storylines. That and Projectra was a snake from a planet run by Racoons!

You left out the one forced on them early in the Adult Legion period that replaced Mon-El with Valor, SUpergirl with Andromeda etc.

And then there was the scene towards the end of that time when Celeste Rockfish (a girl with Green Lantern powers) spontaniously became a Darkstar. Cause y'know there are no more Green lanterns forever and ever.

And some more nonsense during the 1994 version of the Legion.

[Paul Newell]

You left out the one forced on them early in the Adult Legion period that replaced Mon-El with Valor, SUpergirl with Andromeda etc.
That wasn't a reboot though. The Glorithverse left most of the Legion's history intact...Same thing with Crisis on Infinite Earths. The Legion never started from scratch in either instance.
And then there was the scene towards the end of that time when Celeste Rockfish (a girl with Green Lantern powers) spontaniously became a Darkstar. Cause y'know there are no more Green lanterns forever and ever.
Celeste Rockfish only became a Darkstar due to the instabilities in time caused by Valor's dying before seeding the planets. That's why Ferro Lad disappeared in Legionnaires and was replaced by Dream Girl, Bouncing Boy and Star Boy.
And some more nonsense during the 1994 version of the Legion.
No idea what you're talking about here. They never rebooted at any time from what I recollect.

There's only been two reboots. Aftyer Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis. Both times the team's history started afresh.

[DonC]

I wouldn't mind Tony Bedard on the title fulltime, we just need a decent artist, someone that can match Barry Kitson.


Over on his forum I'm pretty sure Bedard said he's writing a six-issue arc after Waid and Kitson leave. I forgot who the artist was, though.

[Paul Newell]

Over on his forum I'm pretty sure Bedard said he's writing a six-issue arc after Waid and Kitson leave. I forgot who the artist was, though.
It hasn't been announced yet.

[Matthew E]

Kevin Sharpe's going to be doing at least some of the art during Bedard's run. I think I recall reading that. And there's another guy... I forget his name... who leaked word that he was going to be working on a Legion arc, but then it got all hushed up.

[Zero Hunter]

You know thinking about it the end of Countdown is going to fall real close to the 50th anniversery of the Legion next year. Within a month or so anyway. That will leave 4 or so issues between the end of Bedards run and the 50th anniversery if my figures are correct. I don't think we are going to see the really big picture of what they have planned until Bedards last issue or so.

[DonC]

It hasn't been announced yet.


Someone should tell that to Tony. ;)

[Paul Newell]

Someone should tell that to Tony. ;)
OOH! Has he let slip???

[Paul Newell]

You know thinking about it the end of Countdown is going to fall real close to the 50th anniversery of the Legion next year. Within a month or so anyway. That will leave 4 or so issues between the end of Bedards run and the 50th anniversery if my figures are correct. I don't think we are going to see the really big picture of what they have planned until Bedards last issue or so.
*Looks at calendar*

April? Happy 49th Birthday, Legion! :)

[DonC]

OOH! Has he let slip???

Looks that way to me.

What I hope is that if I do a good enough job with my six issues, they'll want to keep me around. It happens all the time. If there's someone better waiting in the wings, I'll understand. But my focus is squarely on telling a good tale in my 6 issues. And some things of consequence do happen in my stint -- it's no mere fill-in.

[Paul Newell]

Looks that way to me.
I don't see any mention of who the artist might be. :confused:

[hondobrode]

I'm excited about the Legion's upcoming anniversary as well as Didio deliberately stating that Legion will be very important and something big will be revealed.

Methinks that with the return of the multiverse, the various versions of the Legion will all exist not unlike Earth-1, Earth-2 pre-COIE. There might even be 52 different levels of the DCU.

Then later we might have multiple Legion titles. Gawd, I'd be SO happy !

[Nintendite]

I have an idea. What if all the legions are just possible timelines? I know Hypertime was abandoned, but I don't think that the idea of different future timelines was. What if each of the Legion continuities are possibilities, and the current Legion being done is merely what would happen if the DCU continues to follow it's own course? Maybe the old Legion of the Levitz era is trying to 'change' that course so that their Legion comes into existance! Maybe the various Legions are in a temporal cold war with each other! (actually... hopefully not.) Think of the possibilities!

[davros42]

I have an idea. What if all the legions are just possible timelines? I know Hypertime was abandoned, but I don't think that the idea of different future timelines was. What if each of the Legion continuities are possibilities, and the current Legion being done is merely what would happen if the DCU continues to follow it's own course? Maybe the old Legion of the Levitz era is trying to 'change' that course so that their Legion comes into existance! Maybe the various Legions are in a temporal cold war with each other! (actually... hopefully not.) Think of the possibilities!

That idea is far too interesting (and confusing) to actually make it into a comic. But man, a Legion of Legions would be interesting.

[Deathstroke]

Wait, the LOSH is appearing in what JLA/JSA crossover? Details please!

[JoeK32880]

I actually wouldn't mind an Exiles type book made up of a team of Legionnaires from every different era/possible timeline.'

At any rate it would be better than what we have now.

[Justin D.]

I don't see any mention of who the artist might be. :confused:

From DC's June solicits:

Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes #31
Written by Tony Bedard, art by Kevin Sharpe, cover by Barry Kitson.

The Dominators storyline comes to a surprising conclusion that will change the lives of the Legionnaires irrevocably!



Irrevocably, they say!

[Matthew E]

Wait, the LOSH is appearing in what JLA/JSA crossover? Details please!

Well, the information is available in more places than just this thread, but the upcoming crossover between the two titles - starting in JLA #8, in stores a week tomorrow - is supposed to give us some answers as to just what the original Star Boy is doing in the pages of JSA and calling himself Starman, as well as why the original Dream Girl is locked up in Dr. Destiny's cell in Arkham Asylum, and why the original Karate Kid dressed up as Trident and had a little cybernetic starfish stuck in the back of his neck.

You really hadn't heard?

[Killer Frost]

Wait, the LOSH is appearing in what JLA/JSA crossover? Details please!
"The Lightning Saga" crossover starts in JLA #8, which I think comes out next week, but a Legionnaire was revealed at the end of JLA #7.

[DonC]

You really hadn't heard?


I hadn't heard. But then again, I haven't been reading Justice League of America.

[Deathstroke]

Well, the information is available in more places than just this thread, but the upcoming crossover between the two titles - starting in JLA #8, in stores a week tomorrow - is supposed to give us some answers as to just what the original Star Boy is doing in the pages of JSA and calling himself Starman, as well as why the original Dream Girl is locked up in Dr. Destiny's cell in Arkham Asylum, and why the original Karate Kid dressed up as Trident and had a little cybernetic starfish stuck in the back of his neck.

You really hadn't heard?

No I hadn't heard. I'm not reading JLA or JSA. Of course now I'll have to.

What issues does the crossover cover in full?

[Matthew E]

The crossover covers JLA #8-10 and JSA #5-6. It's called 'The Lightning Saga'; not sure why. You may want to check out JLA #0-7, and JSA #1-4, also; there are Legion references all through there, hidden or not.

[Joe Acro]

Well, the information is available in more places than just this thread, but the upcoming crossover between the two titles - starting in JLA #8, in stores a week tomorrow - is supposed to give us some answers as to just what the original Star Boy is doing in the pages of JSA and calling himself Starman, as well as why the original Dream Girl is locked up in Dr. Destiny's cell in Arkham Asylum, and why the original Karate Kid dressed up as Trident and had a little cybernetic starfish stuck in the back of his neck.

You really hadn't heard?
When did we learn that Trident is Karate Kid?

[Paul Newell]

When did we learn that Trident is Karate Kid?
In issue #7 of Justice League.

[Joe Acro]

In issue #7 of Justice League.
I guess I'll have to check that again. I don't remember a reference to Karate Kid, and I only read the issue a few days ago.:o

[Paul Newell]

Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes #31
Written by Tony Bedard, art by Kevin Sharpe, cover by Barry Kitson.
Heh. I completely forgot I read that. :)

[Paul Newell]

I guess I'll have to check that again. I don't remember a reference to Karate Kid, and I only read the issue a few days ago.:o
Very last panel, on the viewscreen it shows that Trident is Val Armorr.

[Lex]

I haven't gotten #7 yet. Is the Karate Kid in the Trident armor the classic version or the current one in Waid's Legion? I would assume the classic to match Starman and Dream Girl in the present. But we've seen a lot of promo artwork with the current version.

[Paul Newell]

His face still hasn't been shown yet, so we still don't know.

[Zero Hunter]

No I hadn't heard. I'm not reading JLA or JSA. Of course now I'll have to.

What issues does the crossover cover in full?

So far we have seen Starboy/Starman, Dream Girl, and a glimpse of Dawnstar in JSA, and now Karate Kid in JLA. Plus Infectious Lass in the Tales of the Unexpected mini series. All appear to be the pre Zero Hour versions. And on top of all the you have the orginal Fatal Five in hte next issue of Brave and the Bold.

[thorionthei]

Over at Tony's forum here at CBR he mentions the JSA/JLA/Legion xover will not affect his arc but the echoes of the Legion in JSA/JLA will have a high profile effect (or something).

[Deathstroke]

So far we have seen Starboy/Starman, Dream Girl, and a glimpse of Dawnstar in JSA, and now Karate Kid in JLA. Plus Infectious Lass in the Tales of the Unexpected mini series. All appear to be the pre Zero Hour versions. And on top of all the you have the orginal Fatal Five in hte next issue of Brave and the Bold.


What issues of JSA do I need to pick up for those appearances? And what about the Tales Of The Unexpected?

[Paul Newell]

What issues of JSA do I need to pick up for those appearances? And what about the Tales Of The Unexpected?
Starman appears in the first four issues of JSA...He's actually a member of the team....But it's not revealed to be Thom Kallor until issue #2. At the end of issue #1, the last page has four panels previwing the upcoming year. One panel has a glimpse of Dawnstar's hand and Flight Ring. BTW two of the other panels appear to show the resurrection of Kal-L and the Kingdom Come Superman, (Painted by Alex Ross).

Tales of the Unexpected has Infectious Lass appearing in the DR. 13 back up tales. I think the mini only goes for 8 issues. It's all very metaphysical with him teaming up with all sorts of other "obscure" DC Heroes like Genius Jones, the Haunted Tank, Anthro, the Primate Patrol and, of course, dear ol' Drura. I haven't read the last few issues, but I'm told that They meet The Architects of the Universe, who turn out to be Waid, Rucka, Johns and Morrison.

[davros42]

In the Action Comics Annual, the tour of the Fortress of Solitude revealed statues of the Pre-Zero Hour Legion in Superman's memento collection.

It was also information from the Fortress that confirmed Karate Kid's identity.

[kenaustin]

What issues of JSA do I need to pick up for those appearances? And what about the Tales Of The Unexpected?

Deathstroke, check out this thread at Legion World entitled Recent Legion-verse sightings in DCU proper. (http://www.legionworld.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004646) It has scans of most (if not all) of the recent Legionnaire appearances as well as anything or anyone possibly related to the Legion. The Fatal Five, Ventura, Sun Girl, the Talokian woman of the Sinestro Corps and The Daggle Corpse Lantern from the Green Lantern books.

That should help in determining if you need to buy the books for a one or two panel appearance.

[Deathstroke]

Thanks for the info.

And to Mon-El for some PM help as well.

[Ender]

It's some alternate earth Legion. Earth Meltzer - the source of Meltzer nastolgia
vanity writing.