Ultimate Panther

[MythicBrawn]

Has anyone seen anything about T'Challa being ultimatized? I was reading through my early Ultimate Spider-Man TPBs and in the third one the woman that was running with Kraven was called a Wakadian. I know the spelling is wrong but that's somewhat how Kraven's agent said it. If he is ultimatized I hope they call him simply Panther and remove the 70s "Black" addition from the name. I imagine that when he is finally introduced, he will be fighting Captain America.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Outside the Ultimate Avengers 2 movie it doesn't seem like they got arounf to him. I guess the movie was a good push for the Marvel 616 series, but it would make sense for it to have tied in to a Ultimate BP series or arc in an Ultimate Storyline.

I'm guessing he'll be introduced in the UFF as opposed to the Ultimates, since the Ultimates don't look like they'll be out again any time soon.

As long as he doesn't morph to have a Panther head I'm cool.

[samhalliwell]

Wasn't he on a promotional art?

[Brian M.]

I think it'd be funny if they made Ultimate Black Panther white.

[samhalliwell]

I think it'd be funny if they made Ultimate Black Panther white.

Now that'd be... I don't know.

For someone who doesn't mind an african american Nick Fury and loves the idea of a gay Colossus, I can't say anything without saying anything hypocritical :p

[Young Avenger]

Wasn't he on a promotional art?

Yea, he was on Joe Mad Ultimates 3 promotional art. Looked terrible

[Brian M.]

Now that'd be... I don't know.

For someone who doesn't mind an african american Nick Fury and loves the idea of a gay Colossus, I can't say anything without saying anything hypocritical :p

The reaction alone would be worh it.

Them: "HOW DARE THEY MAKE HIM WHITE!!!"
Me: "So it was wrong to make Nick Fury black?"
Them: "That's 100% different,"

*me on floor laughing*

[samhalliwell]

The reaction alone would be worh it.

Them: "HOW DARE THEY MAKE HIM WHITE!!!"
Me: "So it was wrong to make Nick Fury black?"
Them: "That's 100% different,"

*me on floor laughing*

That's exactly the type of dialogue I though would have ensued had I complained. I wouldn't have yelled, but still :p

[Froggy]

I think it'd be funny if they made Ultimate Black Panther white.

wasnt that in that one comedy what if, written and drawn by Jim mahfood,

"So why is black widow on the team?

"because she's a woman"

but it be interesting if trhey made him white, but i dont think it be a big part of his character. I dotn think he'd be royalty moreso, but more of a afrikaner freedom fighter of sorts. I'm thinking it wont happen though............

[samhalliwell]

wasnt that in that one comedy what if, written and drawn by Jim mahfood,

"So why is black widow on the team?

"because she's a woman"

but it be interesting if trhey made him white, but i dont think it be a big part of his character. I dotn think he'd be royalty moreso, but more of a afrikaner freedom fighter of sorts. I'm thinking it wont happen though............

I think he's too much of an icon to do that.

*waits for UT to fall on floor*

[Froggy]

I think he's too much of an icon to do that.

*waits for UT to fall on floor*

Meh I guess, thats why I put i dont think it will happen though.....i'm just saying thats one way it could work, that's all

[MythicBrawn]

The changes that were made to the Ultimate Universe was meant to diversify it a bit. Making T'Challa white doesn't further diversify the universe.

[Lanowar]

Nick Fury was'nt made black to make the universe diverse he was made black because when fury was orginally made he was based on Dean martin of the rat pack when Hitch went to draw him he realized that Dean Martin was'nt exactly the epitome of cool anymore so he simply made Fury akin to the coolest person he knew and that was Samual L Jackson. Thus why Fury looks like SLJ

[kane]

The changes to the ultimate universe were meant do make it different from the 616. So Panther beeing a white man would be a great idea.

[Brian M.]

wasnt that in that one comedy what if, written and drawn by Jim mahfood,

"So why is black widow on the team?

"because she's a woman"

but it be interesting if trhey made him white, but i dont think it be a big part of his character. I dotn think he'd be royalty moreso, but more of a afrikaner freedom fighter of sorts. I'm thinking it wont happen though............

Yea I loved that part of the comic. Thought it was funny as hell.

[Arachnid]

Now that'd be... I don't know.

For someone who doesn't mind an african american Nick Fury and loves the idea of a gay Colossus, I can't say anything without saying anything hypocritical :p

I like ultimate fury better than the original. And wasn't Colossus gay in 616? I know Northstar was.

[Brian M.]

I like ultimate fury better than the original. And wasn't Colossus gay in 616? I know Northstar was.

No. Colossus is correctly sticking it to a rather nice looking Kitty Pryde.

[MythicBrawn]

The changes to the ultimate universe were meant do make it different from the 616. So Panther beeing a white man would be a great idea.

I would have to disagree with you on that one. I would much rather prefer he stayed a black dude. Changing Nick Fury to a black guy is not as profound a change as making Panther white. This is an interesting discussion but I look forward to Panther and C.America coming to blows. I figure Panther would receive a powerup like C.America to make him even more formidable.

[Lanowar]

Nick Fury being white bears no part on his origin story he could have been black fighting in WW2 but he just was'nt.

Panther however being black is a deep part of his story he's from Wakanda which in 616 land was orginally a deeply isloated africian nation so yes it bears a big part on his character. In the ultimate universe it's been mentioned there was a war in Wakanda that Deadpool was involved in so I'd estimate Wakanda would be like the democratic republic of congo (did they end there civil war recentely?) as in a nation torn apart by civil war and strive.

Well from Cap and Falcon interaction Cap has no problem with Black people so unless your there yelling "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" I doubt they will.

Has any other character been radically changed race wise? I know from the way greg land draws her wasp seems to change from white to chinese depending on which porn star he was watching at the time...

[Froggy]

Yea I loved that part of the comic. Thought it was funny as hell.
Cool....glad the reference wasnt lost

The changes that were made to the Ultimate Universe was meant to diversify it a bit. Making T'Challa white doesn't further diversify the universe.
Valid point, Obregon Kaine

Nick Fury being white bears no part on his origin story he could have been black fighting in WW2 but he just was'nt.

Panther however being black is a deep part of his story he's from Wakanda which in 616 land was orginally a deeply isloated africian nation so yes it bears a big part on his character. In the ultimate universe it's been mentioned there was a war in Wakanda that Deadpool was involved in so I'd estimate Wakanda would be like the democratic republic of congo (did they end there civil war recentely?) as in a nation torn apart by civil war and strive.

Well from Cap and Falcon interaction Cap has no problem with Black people so unless your there yelling "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" I doubt they will.

Has any other character been radically changed race wise? I know from the way greg land draws her wasp seems to change from white to chinese depending on which porn star he was watching at the time...
LOW BLOW:eek:

[Lanowar]

Well yea ok it's a bit of a low blow but you must admit Wasp does have a knack whenever greg land draws her to turn asian sometimes, happens alot when Wasp appears in Fantastic Four for example.

[dreyga2000]

How bout they make Panther a chick:cool: Now's nomething I could get into...

[Brian M.]

How bout they make Panther a chick:cool: Now's nomething I could get into...

An Asian Chick.

[Froggy]

Well yea ok it's a bit of a low blow but you must admit Wasp does have a knack whenever greg land draws her to turn asian sometimes, happens alot when Wasp appears in Fantastic Four for example.
Yea thats true, but I wasnt knocking you for it, I was just like "DAYYYYYYYYUMN" it was like a verbal KO

How bout they make Panther a chick:cool: Now's nomething I could get into...


An Asian Chick.
LMAO

[Sparda]

What about making black panther as a half white and half black guy? Because 616 was named Black Panther after that group during the 60's right? Since this is the modern age, being named BP is kinda outdated, so why not have him as mix kind of guy who's torn between his mother's side (either black or white) or dad's side (black or white) and thrives to find his own sense of worth. And seeing that his whatever parent is of Wakandian blood, he's living proof of uniting people into peace and property.

As a plus side, his one of his parents ALSO just happens to be the first tested human subject for the super soldier serum and managed to escape to wakanda and hence Tchalla was born with the serum in his blood.

Instead of the Royalty gimmic, he's part of a cult called The Panther's of society or some gimmick of the such that work like a CIA type of thing for Wakanda. Plus they happen to have some superhumans as a personal guard or 2 for the elected officials (the monarchy gimmick is pretty lame).

[Brian M.]

I could see Reggie Hudlin's explode if Panther had one white parents and one black parent.

[Lanowar]

What about making black panther as a half white and half black guy? Because 616 was named Black Panther after that group during the 60's right? Since this is the modern age, being named BP is kinda outdated, so why not have him as mix kind of guy who's torn between his mother's side (either black or white) or dad's side (black or white) and thrives to find his own sense of worth. And seeing that his whatever parent is of Wakandian blood, he's living proof of uniting people into peace and property.

As a plus side, his one of his parents ALSO just happens to be the first tested human subject for the super soldier serum and managed to escape to wakanda and hence Tchalla was born with the serum in his blood.

Instead of the Royalty gimmic, he's part of a cult called The Panther's of society or some gimmick of the such that work like a CIA type of thing for Wakanda. Plus they happen to have some superhumans as a personal guard or 2 for the elected officials (the monarchy gimmick is pretty lame).


Sounds to fanficy Panther does'nt need to be as strong as Captain America the point is every attempt at making the super solider serum has ended in disater "Hulk, Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin" should be testament to that fact.

Here's just somthing of the top of my head, T'challa is the ambassador for Wakanda which having just come out of a civil war is slowly regaining itself on the internatial stage. The attempted extradition of Ulysses Klaw a suspected war profitieer in the conflict is quashed and suspecting foul play forces T'challa to don the Panther outfit. He is forced to fight Captain America before teaming up with him to discover that Klaw had been stockpiling and exporting Vibranium out of Wakanda and is preparing to sell it to a certain big name. Cap and Panther break up the sale but Klaw escapes in the mayhem. However the failure on Klaw's part forces the buyer to send one of his agents to "punish" Klaw. Who in turn in my book would be "The Beetle" alluding to Latveria's attempt to enter the superhuman arms race.

Still everyone has there different ideas I'm sure the Black Panther we see in the Ultimates will be a new modern origin not a carbon copy of what came before.


I could see Reggie Hudlin's explode if Panther had one white parents and one black parent.

Oh I changed my mind do that just for the explosion factor...

[chriskenny]

The reaction alone would be worh it.

Them: "HOW DARE THEY MAKE HIM WHITE!!!"
Me: "So it was wrong to make Nick Fury black?"
Them: "That's 100% different,"

*me on floor laughing*

Well, it is kinda different. The Black Panther's entire identity and background is wrapped up in his nationality, which is a royal member of an indigenous African family. Being the leader of a counterintuitively super-progressive African nation which routinely flies in the face of the West (whose leadership is predominantly white), is a pretty fundamental aspect of his charm. Nick Fury, on the other hand, doesn't really matter in the sense that his identity is wrapped up in military service in the United States, which is universal among all races. Nick Fury could have be re-fitted as a Hispanic guy (though his name wouldn't quite line with his heritage, haha).

As a side note, Cuba Gooding Jr. was very upset he wasn't taken more seriously as a contender for the Matt Murdock role in Daredevil, but the reason he wouldn't have worked is because Matt has to be the street-wise scrawny red-headed lawyer whose Irish brand of Catholicism has instilled so much guilt in him that he, ironically enough, fights crime dressed as the devil. Murdock's cultural identity is very specific, which is why he is such a rich character. Once you cast someone outside of that experience into the role, he isn't Murdock anymore. (BTW, I didn't think Affleck was a great choice, either).

[Lanowar]

The reaction alone would be worh it.

Them: "HOW DARE THEY MAKE HIM WHITE!!!"
Me: "So it was wrong to make Nick Fury black?"
Them: "That's 100% different,"

*me on floor laughing*


The logic of the diehard fan is a odd one logic does'nt exist to them. Take for example this arguement paraphrased from a story bendis did about the Impossible Man being a fanboy.

Them: "HOW DARE THEY MAKE WOLVERINE A MEMBER OF THE AVENGERS!"
Me: But Beast was in the avengers
THEM "Thats different!"

[Dooby Doo!]

Well, it is kinda different. The Black Panther's entire identity and background is wrapped up in his nationality, which is a royal member of an indigenous African family. Being the leader of a counterintuitively super-progressive African nation which routinely flies in the face of the West (whose leadership is predominantly white), is a pretty fundamental aspect of his charm. Nick Fury, on the other hand, doesn't really matter in the sense that his identity is wrapped up in military service in the United States, which is universal among all races. Nick Fury could have be re-fitted as a Hispanic guy (though his name wouldn't quite line with his heritage, haha).

As a side note, Cuba Gooding Jr. was very upset he wasn't taken more seriously as a contender for the Matt Murdock role in Daredevil, but the reason he wouldn't have worked is because Matt has to be the street-wise scrawny red-headed lawyer whose Irish brand of Catholicism has instilled so much guilt in him that he, ironically enough, fights crime dressed as the devil. Murdock's cultural identity is very specific, which is why he is such a rich character. Once you cast someone outside of that experience into the role, he isn't Murdock anymore. (BTW, I didn't think Affleck was a great choice, either).


I pretty much agree with every thing stated.^

[Morw]

Well, the important's of BP is his culture background, so making him half white/half balck would actully be much better. He would reprisent a group that is in much more need of a symbol. Its easy to change skiinncolour in ultimate vers and I think they should do it more. Not just make people black, but hispanic, asian, mixed races etc. And adding BP inner conflict of who he really is. The white or black or booth. Would actully give him something more to grow on then just beeing a black monarch that goes around and beat up white guys.

[chriskenny]

Well, the important's of BP is his culture background, so making him half white/half balck would actully be much better. He would reprisent a group that is in much more need of a symbol. Its easy to change skiinncolour in ultimate vers and I think they should do it more. Not just make people black, but hispanic, asian, mixed races etc. And adding BP inner conflict of who he really is. The white or black or booth. Would actully give him something more to grow on then just beeing a black monarch that goes around and beat up white guys.

That's a bit simplistic. He can be more than just a black king beating up white guys and not have to muddy the waters (so to speak) of his unique background. If nothing else Black Panther was the first black superhero featured at Marvel Comics if that milestone alone should keep his race from being tampered with.

[Morw]

why not make him another milestone in Marvel? One who in a seriuse way tackle the situations inter racial children go threw. I know a few and thier quest to find thier heritage is often more a more grandure journy then those of us who just have one culture to explore. He dont need to be white of half white just half something else then africaen. It would make him more then what he is now.

Just the comment of you saying "mudding the water" that he can be half of another culture clearly indicate thatthere are some seriuse lacking in the comic world in that area. In Ulitmate they have a grand uppertunity to make many of the heros of other culture and skin coloure but why is it just the white charter that is supposed to be reconnected into another race?

Heck make him half of another afric an culture just to point out that africa is a damn big place and there is a big culture diffrence between north,south, west and east africa. heck i would have loved a black Cap. America but I guess they didnt have the guts to do that.

[MythicBrawn]

Heck make him half of another afric an culture just to point out that africa is a damn big place and there is a big culture diffrence between north,south, west and east africa. heck i would have loved a black Cap. America but I guess they didnt have the guts to do that.

I thought Marvel tried that, the black guy before Steve Rogers, and it wasn't well received. Plus, I doubt America would have chosen a black guy to fight in WWII, considering the proliferation of racism at the time and segregation being a part of the armed forces. His race doesn't need to change. I feel that his name simply needs to be Panther instead of Black Panther. The next thing would be for him to be introduced to the UU in big way. I figure SHIELD would really be watching Wakanda, if that nation is close to the 616 version. Personally, I think the UU version would be more hard core.

[Froggy]

I thought Marvel tried that, the black guy before Steve Rogers, and it wasn't well received. Plus, I doubt America would have chosen a black guy to fight in WWII, considering the proliferation of racism at the time and segregation being a part of the armed forces. His race doesn't need to change. I feel that his name simply needs to be Panther instead of Black Panther. The next thing would be for him to be introduced to the UU in big way. I figure SHIELD would really be watching Wakanda, if that nation is close to the 616 version. Personally, I think the UU version would be more hard core.
THey obviously are watching it I guess, with the whole "Wakanda wars" thing mentioned in USM

[shaunyc56]

I thought Marvel tried that, the black guy before Steve Rogers, and it wasn't well received. Plus, I doubt America would have chosen a black guy to fight in WWII, considering the proliferation of racism at the time and segregation being a part of the armed forces. His race doesn't need to change. I feel that his name simply needs to be Panther instead of Black Panther. The next thing would be for him to be introduced to the UU in big way. I figure SHIELD would really be watching Wakanda, if that nation is close to the 616 version. Personally, I think the UU version would be more hard core.



The 616 story was great though, what you have to do is imagine the tuskeegee sypholis experiments but w/ super soldier serum, they were never meant to fight, just to be guinea pigs.

[nickfury187]

Nick Fury was'nt made black to make the universe diverse he was made black because when fury was orginally made he was based on Dean martin of the rat pack when Hitch went to draw him he realized that Dean Martin was'nt exactly the epitome of cool anymore so he simply made Fury akin to the coolest person he knew and that was Samual L Jackson. Thus why Fury looks like SLJ
Hitch wasnt the first person to draw him though...............:confused:

[Lanowar]

Hitch wasnt the first person to draw him though...............:confused:

Millar wrote "Return To Weapon X" though in that he's more a non-descript person it's not until Hitch drew Ultimates was he really turned into SLJ

[MythicBrawn]

The 616 story was great though, what you have to do is imagine the tuskeegee sypholis experiments but w/ super soldier serum, they were never meant to fight, just to be guinea pigs.

I believe the story is plausible given United States history. I don't know how the story went. Was it similar to Image Comics Super-Patriot? The Germans were testing a super-soldier formula on their prisoners and it worked on the guy that became Super-Patriot. At first, the Germans were excited when it worked. Next, the realization hit them exactly what they did. They created a super-soldier from a prisoner of war. At that moment of insight, Super-Patriot began to put the smackdown on them and escaped.

[TheGreatest]

What black character, that has not yet been introduced in the Ultimate universe, would be a good candidate for being reimagined as white?

[desanth]

There is so much that can be done with UBP but it might be something that you don't want to mess with too much. Although I hope someone pokes fun of the name being a little outdated for the UU.

Maybe he'll be a super soldier of Wakanda, but Wakanda gov lost the civil war or whatever so he's been exiled so he dropped the Captain Wakanda name and picked up another. Wakandian soldiers could be called panthers, hence the name Panther. But someone else already took the Panther name so IM jokes and says maybe they should call him "black" Panther since the other one is white. It sticks and hence Black Panther is born. Otherwise I think the name will come about from Betty's market research saying that BP is a good name that'll sell good ;)

[Omega Alpha]

The changes that were made to the Ultimate Universe was meant to diversify it a bit. Making T'Challa white doesn't further diversify the universe.

And who said you can't make other white characters black to "compensate"?

[Big Fresh]

Black Panther shouldn't be white. But he should be gay. Real gay. Hooper-X gay.

Hell, I still want a third universe created called "Gay Marvel" where every character is gay. And Wolverine is shacking up with Captain America. All the fanboys would have their minds blown.

[kitamu re]

If he is ultimatized I hope they call him simply Panther and remove the 70s "Black" addition from the name. I imagine that when he is finally introduced, he will be fighting Captain America.

black is a color, being african means you belong to a specific ethnicity..why are so many caucasians confused between the two:rolleyes:

[Yaw]

There is so much that can be done with UBP but it might be something that you don't want to mess with too much. Although I hope someone pokes fun of the name being a little outdated for the UU.

Maybe he'll be a super soldier of Wakanda, but Wakanda gov lost the civil war or whatever so he's been exiled so he dropped the Captain Wakanda name and picked up another. Wakandian soldiers could be called panthers, hence the name Panther. But someone else already took the Panther name so IM jokes and says maybe they should call him "black" Panther since the other one is white. It sticks and hence Black Panther is born. Otherwise I think the name will come about from Betty's market research saying that BP is a good name that'll sell good ;)

Black Panther can never be outdated. Black Panthers are a specific variant of any number of cats (either a cougar, jaguar or leopard) that are black because of a genetic trait. They stick out from the standard versions of those cats and thereby are more noticeable. I think the name is just find as he is suppose to be significant and stand out from the rest of his people. Even if they decide to have him not be a king, he will still be a superhero. Rather than just be the standard leopard he is instead a Black leopard or Black Panther.

[Lanowar]

About Black Panther, it's quite clear that it's not the technologically advanced city as in the 616 world. It's a war torn african nation since we've had the "Wakanda Wars" mentioned in which Wade Wilson fought. The ultimate universe should not have T'challa the king because well there's no kingdoms in africa . I'll see him as a nelson mandela character whose living in exile in America who wants America to get involved but they refuse. Like how everyone knows Mugabe is a dictator but America or Europe won't invade to overthrow him because it'll destablize the region.

[Yaw]

About Black Panther, it's quite clear that it's not the technologically advanced city as in the 616 world. It's a war torn african nation since we've had the "Wakanda Wars" mentioned in which Wade Wilson fought. The ultimate universe should not have T'challa the king because well there's no kingdoms in africa .

What do we know about Wakanda in the Ultimate Universe? Other than the Wade Wilson Wakanda Wars reference, what else do we actually know?.


I'll see him as a nelson mandela character whose living in exile in America who wants America to get involved but they refuse. Like how everyone knows Mugabe is a dictator but America or Europe won't invade to overthrow him because it'll destablize the region.

I'm not touching this. It's a comic board after all...:cool:

[Matt190]

"BLACK LION."

This name makes more geographic sense, sounds more regal, more dangerous and would be more than just the Ultimate Black Panther.

King of the Beasts' biznatches.

[Yaw]

"BLACK LION."

This name makes more geographic sense, sounds more regal, more dangerous and would be more than just the Ultimate Black Panther.

King of the Beasts' biznatches.

I like the name but I don't see how it makes more geographic sense or more dangerous. There are black panthers in Africa. It's not like his name has "tiger" in it. MArvel seems to think that tigers exist in Africa (other than in zoos) when they don't.

[Matt190]

:evilangry
"Big cat distinguishes the large wild cats from much smaller species. One definition of big cat includes only the four species of cat in the genus Panthera: the lion, tiger, leopard, and jaguar. Members of this genus are the only cats able to roar, and this is sometimes considered a distinguishing characteristic of big cats." Wiki 2007-04-24

Okay. Techinically BLACK LION wouldn't make more geographic sense. But what big cat is most associated with Africa, Lions.

Come'on, it's The Ultimates, act like you got a pair.

[zuludelta]

What black character, that has not yet been introduced in the Ultimate universe, would be a good candidate for being reimagined as white?

I don't think that would work for any of the more prominent black Marvel characters for the simple reason that these characters were token creations. Not that the tokenization was intentional (or at least, I hope it wasn't)... it's just that characters like Black Panther, Luke Cage, Rocket Racer, etc. were made by creators that, no matter how good their intentions were, had at best a passing familiarity with and superficial understanding of black/African culture and it seemed like the point of emphasis upon the introduction of these characters was always about their race.

Thus, all these characters, for better or for worse, were all about their "blackness" (for lack of a better term), as much as they were about being superheroes. Sure, they might have raised awareness about race relations in some, or even many, readers, but the characters themselves have become one-dimensional. Take away the "black" angle for any number of them, and you're left with pretty bland, cookie-cutter type heroes.

[Willowhugger]

Actually, the characters are surprisingly deep even without.

Luke Cage the wrongfully convicted man is just as fascinating as a white "The Fugitive" type.

Black Panther as the King of a Highly Advanced Nation is like Black Bolt or Namor.

[myslead]

What black character, that has not yet been introduced in the Ultimate universe, would be a good candidate for being reimagined as white?

Bill Foster and Blade?

[Froggy]

Actually, the characters are surprisingly deep even without.

Luke Cage the wrongfully convicted man is just as fascinating as a white "The Fugitive" type.

Black Panther as the King of a Highly Advanced Nation is like Black Bolt or Namor.

I see no mention of rocket racer or hypno hustler tho..............tis a shame :(

[zuludelta]

Actually, the characters are surprisingly deep even without.

Luke Cage the wrongfully convicted man is just as fascinating as a white "The Fugitive" type.

Black Panther as the King of a Highly Advanced Nation is like Black Bolt or Namor.

I guess I used the wrong word when I said "bland"... my point was more along the lines of... the whole raison d'être of the Luke Cage character was to showcase a black superhero lead in a comic book, not to re-imagine "The Fugitive" as a gritty urban comic that stars a character who just happens to be black. Strip away the the "man-on-the-run" trappings of his origin but keep the jive-talkin', smooth operator black stereotype and I contend that you'll still have a character that people might more readily associate with their notion of who they think Luke Cage is. Do the opposite (turn the character white, but keep the "The Fugitive" elements) and you don't get a character that evokes the popular notion of Luke Cage... you get "The Fugitive" starring Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I'm not saying that turning a black Marvel character white won't work, it's just that certain black/African Marvel characters have been established to fulfill some sort of vaguely defined "black role" that changing their race makes them a whole new character altogether.

There are characters that just happen to be black in the regular Marvel continuity, and whose defining characteristics aren't intrinsically linked to their ethnicity, and these would probably make the translation from black characters to white without any loss of fidelity to the original versions (or raising the dander of the PC police). Blade has been mentioned... maybe Monica Rambeau (a.k.a. Photon, Captain Marvel II) would work as well.

[Yaw]

:evilangry
"Big cat distinguishes the large wild cats from much smaller species. One definition of big cat includes only the four species of cat in the genus Panthera: the lion, tiger, leopard, and jaguar. Members of this genus are the only cats able to roar, and this is sometimes considered a distinguishing characteristic of big cats." Wiki 2007-04-24

Okay. Techinically BLACK LION wouldn't make more geographic sense. But what big cat is most associated with Africa, Lions.

Come'on, it's The Ultimates, act like you got a pair.


this is why Leopards hence Black PAnther makes more sense. Male lions don't climb or have the leaping ability of leopards. Plus leopards are underestimated when it comes to other big cats (like you are doing now). Underestimation is Black Panthers forte. He uses it like a weapon all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eey3bRzP0ZE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C65a8na9F0w&mode=related&search=

[Frostbite883]

I see.

That actually make sense.

Good of you to point that out, Yaw.

[Xanrn]

Blade has been ultimized!

He was in the Spidey arc with Morbius.

Yeah I want to know WTF the Wakandan Wars were.

Well we should get Ultimates 3 in the next decade.