DC League: Lex vs. BWilly

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome to the next match of the 2007 DC League! The DC League is a large-scale series of battles—a tournament—where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place at night in the middle of an abandoned city street 100 yards away from each other, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (with few exceptions), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

NOTE - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

This week's last match: Lex vs. BWilly and Mr. Toast

Lex: Skyrocket, Dr. Alchemy, Abra Kadabra, Cyclone, Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man, Brainiac 5, Frankenstein, Prankster, Mento, Firehawk, Angle Man, Kid Crusader, Killer Moth

BWilly: Hal Jordan, Brainwave Jr., Sand, Superman, Icicle, Roulette, Red Bee, Scorcher

[Jessica Drew]

Lex's strategy:

Here's my strat:

Cool Tapes: Skyrocket, Dr. Alchemy, Mento, Abra Kadabra, Cyclone, Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man, Brainiac 5, Frankenstein, Prankster, Angle Man, Firehawk, Kid Crusader, Killer Moth

PART 1:

- Skyrocket flies out in front of my team to absorb any incoming energy from BWilly's team. She has no problem absorbing any form of energy, so any blasts from Hal, Superman, Scorch and Red Bee are absorbed. And she can even absorb Hal's constructs, since they're made of energy.

- Dr. Alchemy teams up with Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man. Combining AVM Man's ability to transform into any mineral with Alchemy's elemental transformations, the two of them transform AVM Man into a living being of Kryptonite. This should protect my team from a frontal assault by Superman.

- Mento uses his helmet to cast an illusion of Brainwave's father, the original Brainwave. He makes Brainwave think the illusion of his father is scolding him and bringing up a lot of hurt feelings from Brainwave's childhood. It should be enough of a distraction to keep Brainwave from doing anything to my team during this first part.

- Abra Kadabra uses his wand to transform the street they are on and the area around the street into Jell-O gelatin. The Jell-O extends about 50 feet below them. This will basically negate Sand's power and make the ground all wiggly to distract anyone on the ground (including my team).

- Firehawk takes to the air and begins using her heat powers to increase the temperature of the immediate area. This will make it very hard to Icicle to use his powers.

- Cyclone creates a small tornado in the middle of the street and sucks up Red Bee's two robotic bees.

Status at end of Part 1: Superman is keeping his distance. Icicle and Sand are basically powerless. And no one else can touch my team.

Part 2:

- Abra Kadabra points his wand at Hal Jordan and says "Off." That turns off Hal's power ring and leaves him powerless. If he's in the air, he falls and bounces on the Jell-O.

- Skyrocket converts all the energy she's been collecting into red solar radiation and blasts it as Superman. If no one on BWilly's team has blasted energy for her to absorb, then she taps into the city's power grid (Jess said one street light is working so there's some power there). This attack, combined with AVM Man's kryptonite greatly weakens Superman.

- Angle Man uses his triable device to angle the top of Cyclone's tornado at BWilly's team. First he points it at Red Bee. One of her robotic bees shoots out of it and crashes into her. This destroys the bee and wrecks her tech suit. Then he angles the tornado at Brainwave. He's probably seen through the illusion by now, but Red Bee's second robotic bee crashes into him and knocks him out.

- Kid Crusader uses his cross to send a bolt of electricity at Icicle. He is drenched with water because of Firehawk raising the temp. Both because he's sweating and the melting of his ice powers. That increases the power of Kid Crusader's electric attack and it knocks Icicle out.

- Dr. Alchemy transforms Sand into a glass statue, which takes him out of the game.

- Mento turns his attention to Scorch. A psychic whammy should knock her out.

Status at end of Part 2: Everyone should be knocked out except for Superman, GL and Roulette.

Part 3:

- Frankenstein and AVM Man (still made of Kryptonite) move in and start beating up Superman. He should be weak enough from the kryptonite and red solar radiation and this beat down weakens him up a lot more.

- Prankster and Killer Moth move in. Prankster uses the flower on his lapel to blast quick-drying glue at Superman at the same time the Killer Moth shoots his cocoon gun. The combo of goo should be enough to immobilize the weakened Superman and take him out of the game.

- Cyclone uses her tornado to pick up the powerless Hal Jordan. The spinning shouldn't make him sick since he's an experienced pilot, but she uses the tornado to throw him into a street lamp. That knocks him out.

- Abra Kadabra waves his wand and a giant roulette wheel apears in front of everyone. Roulette (the character, not the wheel) is tied to the 00 spot. He starts the wheel spinning and a big ball starts moving around the wheel. The wheel stops and the ball lands on the 00 spot and knocks out Roulette.

Contingencies:

- If Dr. Alchemy or AVM Man are taken out in the first round, Angle Man uses his triagle device on Superman. This prevents a speed blitz (by constantly changing Superman's direction) and gives Skyrocket enough time to blast him with red solar radiation.

- If Skyrocket is taken out, Brainiac 5 uses his force field to block incoming attacks.

- If Mento is taken out early, Cyclone also sucks up Brainwave in her tornado.

[Jessica Drew]

BWilly's and Mr. Toast's strategy:

FIRST PHASE (acts done at same time):
 Scorch teleports to the other side of the field and makes Brainiac 5’s skin sizzle with a flaming blast, forcing him to drop any force field.

 Sandman creates an explosion of earth into the air around Skyrocket to clog her harness (the source of her power). This grounds her from flying and disables her harness. Sandy, who can travel through anything with silicon traces, travels underground to the other side of the battlefield.

 Superman uses his super speed to rush over and knock out Abra Kadabra (ABRA IS NOT A REAL MAGICIAN. HE USES FUTURE TECH TO APPEAR LIKE ONE). Superman moves too fast for Abra to nail him. Abra usually uses his magic to attack bystanders, then while the Flash saves them, attacks the Flash. No bystanders in an abandoned city. If Abra teleports, Supes uses his super senses (hearing, vision) to get him no matter where he goes.
 Superman then rushes over to take out Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man. If he is in a solid form, Supes knocks him out. If he is in a gas form, Supes disperses him with super breath. A liquid form, freeze breath to stop him cold. Remember, super speed allows Supes to take out both characters fast

 Roulette is left behind with her flamethrower (as seen in Brave & the Bold #1) waiting for Angle Man. If he pops up, he is toast (literally). If he does not teleport over, Roulette runs towards the battle.

 Red Bee confronts Cyclone. Cyclone is extremely inexperienced as has yet to gain full control of her powers. Red Bee buzzes around distracting Cyclone while deploying her 2 robot bees. While Cyclone is distracted, the bees zap Cyclone with electricity knocking her out.

 GL creates a force bubble holding himself, Brainwave, and Icicle and speeds to the other side of the field. The ring is filtering the air for poison.
From the bubble:
 GL creates a giant set of tweezers, plucks Dr. Alchemy’s philosopher stone (the source of his power) and flings it off planet
 Brainwave engages Mento telepathically. This is meant as a stall tactic.
 Icicle can create ice from a distance, it doesn’t have to stream from his hands. From inside the bubble, attacks Firehawk. She has fire wings and can shoot fire, but isn’t made out of it. This will stall Firehawk.

SECOND PHASE (acts done at same time):
 Superman speeds over and knocks out Mento and the Prankster.

 Scorch absorbs Firehawk’s fire, meaning her wings. Firehawk plummets to the ground, knocking her out. If she is still not knocked out by the fall, Sand is sitting in waiting with his knockout gas gun.

 Icicle turns his attention to Frankenstein and freezes him in the thickest block of ice he is able to

 Brainwave, still protected by a GL bubble, takes over the mind of Kid Crusader. Kid Crusader is turned against Killer Moth, using his staff to zap him unconscious.

 Assuming Angle Man is still around, GL uses the old giant green boxing glove to knock him out. He takes away his triangles, and cages him.

 Red Bee takes out the now powerless Skyrocket and Dr. Alchemy with her electricity shooting bees.

[BWilly]

- Dr. Alchemy teams up with Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man. Combining AVM Man's ability to transform into any mineral with Alchemy's elemental transformations, the two of them transform AVM Man into a living being of Kryptonite. This should protect my team from a frontal assault by Superman.


I don't think this move is possible. They would have to know the scientific composition of kryptonite, which they don't know.


- Mento uses his helmet to cast an illusion of Brainwave's father, the original Brainwave. He makes Brainwave think the illusion of his father is scolding him and bringing up a lot of hurt feelings from Brainwave's childhood. It should be enough of a distraction to keep Brainwave from doing anything to my team during this first part.


I don't see this as enough of a distraction to effect Brainwave. He is expecting mental tricks. He won't buy a vision of his dead father.


- Abra Kadabra uses his wand to transform the street they are on and the area around the street into Jell-O gelatin. The Jell-O extends about 50 feet below them. This will basically negate Sand's power and make the ground all wiggly to distract anyone on the ground (including my team).


Sand can still manipulate the earth below the Jell-O, sending it all into the air. My trick still works to jam her harness.


- Abra Kadabra points his wand at Hal Jordan and says "Off." That turns off Hal's power ring and leaves him powerless. If he's in the air, he falls and bounces on the Jell-O.


And how exactly does Abra do that? Thats way too vague. I've never seen him to be able to turn off a power ring by saying "off." There is no proof that that would work.


- Skyrocket converts all the energy she's been collecting into red solar radiation and blasts it as Superman. If no one on BWilly's team has blasted energy for her to absorb, then she taps into the city's power grid (Jess said one street light is working so there's some power there). This attack, combined with AVM Man's kryptonite greatly weakens Superman.


I own every issue Skyrocket has ever appeared in, and she cannot create red solar energy. Her coversion powers are way more limited than that.


- Kid Crusader uses his cross to send a bolt of electricity at Icicle. He is drenched with water because of Firehawk raising the temp. Both because he's sweating and the melting of his ice powers. That increases the power of Kid Crusader's electric attack and it knocks Icicle out.


Except Icicle is shielded by GL still, since Abra Kadabra can't actually turn off his ring.

Another thing of note. Cyclone has never been shown to have nearly that kind of control over her abilities. They are new and she is raw. Since she has only shown up in a few issues, I know for a fact she has never been demonstrated to have the kind of control to pull off some of these moves.

[Lex]

It's funny how much we thought alike. We both have Cyclone and Red Bee going up against each other. And we both use our psychics to stall the psychic on the other team.

Couple of points:

1.) Abra Kadabra's Jell-O attack neutralizes Sand's powers so Skyrocket is unaffected. But good idea for taking out Skyrocket. She can handle any form of energy, even sound waves and stuff. But using the ground to attack her was a great thought.

2.) I have Abra Kadabra protected by both AVM Man's kryptonite and Angle Man.

3.) I'm confused about Scorch's first attack. She teleports behind Brainy and her blast is supposed to disable his force field? Even if I had used Brainy's shield, doesn't it cover his whole body front to back?

4.) Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man can't transform into a gas or liquid. Just FYI.

Good strat though.

I just love my strategy. I take out Superman with Skyrocket, Dr. Alchemy, Prankster, Killer Moth and Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man. Ha!

[BWilly]

Couple of points:

1.) Abra Kadabra's Jell-O attack neutralizes Sand's powers so Skyrocket is unaffected. But good idea for taking out Skyrocket. She can handle any form of energy, even sound waves and stuff. But using the ground to attack her was a great thought.


The Jell-O attack doesn't neutralize Sand though. Sandy can still manipulate the ground under the Jell-O.


2.) I have Abra Kadabra protected by both AVM Man's kryptonite and Angle Man.


Except AVM can't turn into kryptonite. He can turn into any element on earth. Even if he, say, turns into lead and you have Alchemy try to transform him, Alchemy doesn't know what kryptonite is composed of to make the transformation.


3.) I'm confused about Scorch's first attack. She teleports behind Brainy and her blast is supposed to disable his force field? Even if I had used Brainy's shield, doesn't it cover his whole body front to back?


Except, you don't list in your strategy that Brainy has his force field up or what range it is protecting. He can either have it skin tight around him or a large enough area that Scorch could teleport inside. Your lack of mentioning that his force field is skin tight around him allows my move. Things have to be listed in the strategy.


4.) Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man can't transform into a gas or liquid. Just FYI.


Yeah, I realized that after I sent the strategy. It was late when I wrote that part.


I just love my strategy. I take out Superman with Skyrocket, Dr. Alchemy, Prankster, Killer Moth and Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man. Ha!


Except Skyrocket can't create red solar energy...

[Mr. Toast]

If there is 50 feet of Jell-O, that doesn't just distract the characters. Have you ever stood on 50 feet of Jell-O? It's all squishy. They'll sink in. And if Firehawk warms up the area, she'll melt the Jell-O as well.

And sand can definitely be 50 feet away and still affect the earth, so it won't even slow him down.

[BWilly]

And if Firehawk warms up the area, she'll melt the Jell-O as well.


Oooh, very good point by my partner (whose name should be listed with mine in this battle). Jell-O would melt much quicker than Icicle's ice creations would.

[Lex]

I don't think this move is possible. They would have to know the scientific composition of kryptonite, which they don't know.
Kryptonite is well-known throughout the DCU. Any villain with the ability to control elements would probably know how to make it. In any case, my theory was that Alchemy and AVM Man couldn't create it on their own. But if they teamed up the Philosopher's Stone with AVM Man's ability to transform into any mineral (kryptonite is a mineral), I figured they could come up with it together.

I don't see this as enough of a distraction to effect Brainwave. He is expecting mental tricks. He won't buy a vision of his dead father.
It's really a moot point since your only use of Brainwave in the first round was to stall Mento, who was in turn trying to stall Brainwave. They cancel each other out.


Sand can still manipulate the earth below the Jell-O, sending it all into the air. My trick still works to jam her harness.
Through 50 feet of Jell-O?

And how exactly does Abra do that? Thats way too vague. I've never seen him to be able to turn off a power ring by saying "off." There is no proof that that would work.
He's a master of technology from the 64th century. Don't you think they might be familiar with how power rings work by then?

I own every issue Skyrocket has ever appeared in, and she cannot create red solar energy. Her coversion powers are way more limited than that.
I own every issue Skyrocket has appeared in as well. No where has there been a definitive list of the energies Skyrocket can access. In threory, she has access to the entire electromagnetic spectrum.

Another thing of note. Cyclone has never been shown to have nearly that kind of control over her abilities. They are new and she is raw. Since she has only shown up in a few issues, I know for a fact she has never been demonstrated to have the kind of control to pull off some of these moves.
In her first appearance, it was mentioned that she once created a tornado that destroyed Ma Hunkle's garage. I'm betting she has enough control to put a tornado near enough to Red Bee's bees to suck them up.

[BWilly]

Kryptonite is well-known throughout the DCU. Any villain with the ability to control elements would probably know how to make it. In any case, my theory was that Alchemy and AVM Man couldn't create it on their own. But if they teamed up the Philosopher's Stone with AVM Man's ability to transform into any mineral (kryptonite is a mineral), I figured they could come up with it together.


But they haven't actually ever been shown to work with kryptonite. I think it is a leap to assume they would know all about its composition.


It's really a moot point since your only use of Brainwave in the first round was to stall Mento, who was in turn trying to stall Brainwave. They cancel each other out.


True.


Through 50 feet of Jell-O?


Yes.


He's a master of technology from the 64th century. Don't you think they might be familiar with how power rings work by then?


We don't know for sure that he does. Plus, you don't mention him actually using a tool, like his wand to make the move happen.


I own every issue Skyrocket has appeared in as well. No where has there been a definitive list of the energies Skyrocket can access. In threory, she has access to the entire electromagnetic spectrum.


In theory, possibly. She uses her powers in a much more limited capacity though. She changes things into forms, but not specific forms. I'm sure she could change energy into radiation but not a specific form of radiation.


In her first appearance, it was mentioned that she once created a tornado that destroyed Ma Hunkle's garage. I'm betting she has enough control to put a tornado near enough to Red Bee's bees to suck them up.

That actually helps my point. The garage was destroyed because she couldn't control the tornado. If she can't control her abilities enough to avoid a garage, how could she control it enough to suck up 2 tiny bees? Bees are much smaller than a garage.

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome Mr. Toast!

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

- Mento uses his helmet to cast an illusion of Brainwave's father, the original Brainwave. He makes Brainwave think the illusion of his father is scolding him and bringing up a lot of hurt feelings from Brainwave's childhood. It should be enough of a distraction to keep Brainwave from doing anything to my team during this first part.

How can you bring up Barian waves childhood hurtfull feeling withought telepathy?

- Kid Crusader uses his cross to send a bolt of electricity at Icicle. He is drenched with water because of Firehawk raising the temp. Both because he's sweating and the melting of his ice powers. That increases the power of Kid Crusader's electric attack and it knocks Icicle out.

That's not nessesarily true, because Icicle uses distilled water in his ice (since he distills it from air) witch makes it not a conductor of electricity what so ever, so it has no affect on incresing the strength of the lightning.



But otherwise a very close match, except that Lex made very good predictions, which basically shut down Superman.

[BWilly]

But otherwise a very close match, except that Lex made very good predictions, which basically shut down Superman.

I expected him to use those moves, because I thought of them as well. I went with Superman in the way I did though because it is not in the scope of the powers of his characters to do what they do (turning into kryptonite and converting red solar energy).

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

I expected him to use those moves, because I thought of them as well. I went with Superman in the way I did though because it is not in the scope of the powers of his characters to do what they do (turning into kryptonite and converting red solar energy).

Care to explain?

[Sean Whitmore]

Both great strategies with no clear winner, so this is gonna be a tough one. A few questions/observations:


- Dr. Alchemy teams up with Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man. Combining AVM Man's ability to transform into any mineral with Alchemy's elemental transformations, the two of them transform AVM Man into a living being of Kryptonite.

I don't particularly have a problem with Alchemy creating kryptonite. I'd bet dollars to donuts that some digging into the back issues (when he was with the Crime Champions or Injustice Society or whatever) would show he's done it before.


Mento uses his helmet to cast an illusion of Brainwave's father, the original Brainwave. He makes Brainwave think the illusion of his father is scolding him and bringing up a lot of hurt feelings from Brainwave's childhood. It should be enough of a distraction to keep Brainwave from doing anything to my team during this first part.

I agree with BWilly that Brainwave would be too skilled at telepathy to fall for such an obvious gag.


Abra Kadabra points his wand at Hal Jordan and says "Off." That turns off Hal's power ring and leaves him powerless. If he's in the air, he falls and bounces on the Jell-O.

This is a little much to believe without a bit more evidence that Abra's tech is stronger than a GL ring.

Skyrocket converts all the energy she's been collecting into red solar radiation and blasts it as Superman.

If Coldcast can do it, I don't see why Skyrocket can't.


 Scorch teleports to the other side of the field and makes Brainiac 5’s skin sizzle with a flaming blast, forcing him to drop any force field.

Brainiac's force field covers his whole body. I think that's a given and Lex shouldn't have to specify.

 Sandman creates an explosion of earth into the air around Skyrocket to clog her harness (the source of her power). This grounds her from flying and disables her harness. Sandy, who can travel through anything with silicon traces, travels underground to the other side of the battlefield.

Im iffy on this one. I'm sure Sand could EVENTUALLY explode the earth through 50 feet of jello, but before he is converted into glass?


 Red Bee confronts Cyclone. Cyclone is extremely inexperienced as has yet to gain full control of her powers.

Isn't the Red Bee also extremely inexperienced?


SEAN

[Lex]

But they haven't actually ever been shown to work with kryptonite. I think it is a leap to assume they would know all about its composition.
Alchemy has always been shown to be a scholar. Awhile ago in Gotham Central, a bunch of cops busted in on a lab of his, and discovered that he had discovered several new elements on the periodic table (all named after himself, of course). I don't think it's a stretch to say that he would've found out how to duplicate the elemental properties of kryptonite.

Yes.
But the Jell-O would naturally slow down any of the ground too much to be effective during the time this match takes place.

We don't know for sure that he does. Plus, you don't mention him actually using a tool, like his wand to make the move happen.
Kadabra doesn't always have to point at something with his wand. He has a telekinetic link with both his wand and the tech that is implanted under his skin.

In theory, possibly. She uses her powers in a much more limited capacity though. She changes things into forms, but not specific forms. I'm sure she could change energy into radiation but not a specific form of radiation.
She has access to sunlight as a form of energy. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say she can slightly alter it into red solar energy.

That actually helps my point. The garage was destroyed because she couldn't control the tornado. If she can't control her abilities enough to avoid a garage, how could she control it enough to suck up 2 tiny bees? Bees are much smaller than a garage.
The bees are tiny? I haven't read the Uncle Sam mini (I'm waiting for the trade), but I saw a picture were it looked like the bees were the size of a small child. But if they're the size of regular bees, that throws a monkey wrench into disabling her armor.

But anyway, I basically just have Cyclone creating the tornado and then the tornado does the rest. She does have the ability to create tornados, but isn't able to control them much. That's why I had Angle Man help her with it.

[BWilly]

Brainiac's force field covers his whole body. I think that's a given and Lex shouldn't have to specify.


My main point there was that he didn't turn the force field on. The force field isn't always on at all times is it? Doesn't he need to activate it?


Im iffy on this one. I'm sure Sand could EVENTUALLY explode the earth through 50 feet of jello, but before he is converted into glass?


Well he can immediately send the earth into the air and Jell-O should offer little resistance. He will now just be shooting earth and Jell-O, which should still clog the harness.


Isn't the Red Bee also extremely inexperienced?


Yes, which is why I didn't send her after any of Lex's big guns. Red Bee is inexpeirenced, but she does have battle experience while Cyclone has zero battle experience. Therefore, Red Bee has more experience than Cyclone which is what really matters.

[Lex]

How can you bring up Barian waves childhood hurtfull feeling withought telepathy?
Wait, he doesn't have telepathy? I have one comic where Mento creates telepathic illusions. I saw that Wikipedia only lists him has having "psychokinesis"... whatever that is. But I thought that was just Wikipedia being dumb.

That's not nessesarily true, because Icicle uses distilled water in his ice (since he distills it from air) witch makes it not a conductor of electricity what so ever, so it has no affect on incresing the strength of the lightning.
Interesting. I didn't know distilled wanter doesn't conduct electricity. So that just means Kid Crusader's electric attack is regularly powered... which may do what I intended anyway.

I guess you learn something every day. :)

[Sean Whitmore]

Wait, he doesn't have telepathy? I have one comic where Mento creates telepathic illusions. I saw that Wikipedia only lists him has having "psychokinesis"... whatever that is. But I thought that was just Wikipedia being dumb.

Mento has telepathy. He recently threatened to use it against Niles Caulder in Teen Titans.


SEAN

[Lex]

This is a little much to believe without a bit more evidence that Abra's tech is stronger than a GL ring.
People seem to be getting hung up on this part of my strategy. Would it have been better if Kadabra transformed the ring into a flower or a diamond ring or something?

And while I can't say for certain that Kadabra has ever turned off a GL ring like that (in fact, I'm not sure if he's ever gone up against a GL), he has been shown to be an expert at manipulating technology. Even other people's tech.

Mento has telepathy. He recently threatened to use it against Niles Caulder in Teen Titans.
Ah, thanks. I was certain he's used telepathy in some comics he was in, but a quick online search couldn't confirm it.

[Sean Whitmore]

People seem to be getting hung up on this part of my strategy. Would it have been better if Kadabra transformed the ring into a flower or a diamond ring or something?

It might have been a little better, actually. Just having it stop means Abra Kadabra's parlor tricks are trumping the power of the Guardians of the Universe and the central power battery.

Although honestly, transmuting the ring would also sound weird to me. Has anyone done that to a GL before? Or done anything to affect a ring while it still held a charge?


SEAN

[BWilly]

GL rings have built in defenses though. I seriously doubt it could be shut off or transmuted.

[Sean Whitmore]

GL rings have built in defenses though. I seriously doubt it could be shut off or transmuted.

Oh, they can definitely be turned off, in any number of ways. I just don't know that a time-travelling con man could do it.


SEAN

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Wait, he doesn't have telepathy? I have one comic where Mento creates telepathic illusions. I saw that Wikipedia only lists him has having "psychokinesis"... whatever that is. But I thought that was just Wikipedia being dumb.


Interesting. I didn't know distilled wanter doesn't conduct electricity. So that just means Kid Crusader's electric attack is regularly powered... which may do what I intended anyway.

I guess you learn something every day. :)


No what I mean to say was, how could he know his child hood fears withought telepathy?

[Lex]

GL rings have built in defenses though. I seriously doubt it could be shut off or transmuted.
Power rings aren't invincible. There have been many times where rings have been shut off, their power drained/diverted and they have even been destroyed. Hal's had to get a new ring about ten times.

No what I mean to say was, how could he know his child hood fears withought telepathy?
But he was using telepathy.

[Mr. Toast]

Wow, I just am wondering from which earth in the multiverse this Super-Jell-O is from? :D Seriously though, how is Jell-O going to slow sand down? Yes, 50 feet of Jell-O would have a bit of pressure, but nothing Sand can't handle. It will be even easier once Firehawk starts melting it.

[Lex]

Wow, I just am wondering from which earth in the multiverse this Super-Jell-O is from? :D Seriously though, how is Jell-O going to slow sand down? Yes, 50 feet of Jell-O would have a bit of pressure, but nothing Sand can't handle. It will be even easier once Firehawk starts melting it.
Super Jell-O? Heh. I figured the Jell-O can slow Sand down two ways:

1.) He can't travel through it like he can the ground.

2.) Jell-O has a higher density than water. So while those chunks of ground Sand kicks up will eventually get through, they won't be super fast. I still think the Jell-O slows it down enough so it doesn't get to Skyrocket by the time Dr. Alchemy turns Sand into glass.

But you do have a good point about the heat. If it gets hot enough, the Jell-O probably will melt. But I think ice melts at a lower temperature than Jell-O does, so Firehawk would just need to make it hot enough to melt Icicle's powers but keep the Jell-O above its melting point.

By the way, welcome to CBR, Mr. Toast! (and that's an awesome username) :)

[BWilly]

2.) Jell-O has a higher density than water. So while those chunks of ground Sand kicks up will eventually get through, they won't be super fast. I still think the Jell-O slows it down enough so it doesn't get to Skyrocket by the time Dr. Alchemy turns Sand into glass.


One problem though: if Sand can't travel as you say, the Dr. Alchemy cannot trandsform Sand into glass. The reason: according to you, Sand would still be 100 yards away. Alchemy cannot transform him from that far away, especially in the dark. You don't have anyone transport Alchemy close enough to identify him or make the transformation. You also don't have anyone lighting the field. So the Alchemy move just doesn't work.

[Froggy]

Psychokinesis is almost like another name for telekinesis basically. Idk why theyd get mental illusions fromt hat though.....beyond me

[venuscameback]

Two good strategies, and an especially creative one from Lex. I love the Jell-O move.

However, I don't buy that Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man and Alchemy could create the alien Kryptonite & even if they do, they're no real defence against Superman. They'd make a good ofeence, but at superspeed they're no way stopping Superman's opening salvo against Abra Cadabra. He can just whizz around them, without any trouble.

Lex's strategy is heavily reliant on Abra, so once Superman takes him down who's going to stop Green Lantern?

I'm pretty sure Red Bee's bees are much bigger than the insects

Brainiac's never mentioned, so far as I can see, in Lex's strategy. Characters don't start with their powers 'on' eg in the Mutant League Colossus has to transform into his metal form at the start of a match so unless it's written into the strat, Brainiac's forcefield isn't operative - so there's no problem in Scorch taking him out & running wild for the first couple of combat phases.

The Jell-O delays or prevents Sand's attack, at least until it melts, thanks to Firehawk.

As Superman takes out Abra in the opening seconds of the match, Abra's not around to take on Green Lantern (and that's a dodgy attack in itself) and the two big guns are able to clean up.

[Sean Whitmore]

Characters don't start with their powers 'on' eg in the Mutant League Colossus has to transform into his metal form at the start of a match

Nothing to do with this match, but...really? That seems unnecessarily complicated.


SEAN

[Lex]

One problem though: if Sand can't travel as you say, the Dr. Alchemy cannot trandsform Sand into glass. The reason: according to you, Sand would still be 100 yards away. Alchemy cannot transform him from that far away, especially in the dark. You don't have anyone transport Alchemy close enough to identify him or make the transformation. You also don't have anyone lighting the field. So the Alchemy move just doesn't work.
As for lighting, I had Skyrocket flying at the beginning. Whenever she flew, she always had that star-shaped energy glow. I figured that would be enough to light the field. Hmm... maybe I should've made that clear in my strat.

[Lex]

Psychokinesis is almost like another name for telekinesis basically. Idk why theyd get mental illusions fromt hat though.....beyond me
Has it ever been stated that he has psychokinesis in the comics? I saw that term on Wikipedia and clicked on the link to it. It took me to a page of a real world explaination of it. But since when do real world explaination match up with what we see in comics?

Anyway, I saw him use telepathic powers in comics, so that's what I'm going with. That okay?

[Lex]

Two good strategies, and an especially creative one from Lex. I love the Jell-O move.
Thanks! :)

However, I don't buy that Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man and Alchemy could create the alien Kryptonite & even if they do, they're no real defence against Superman. They'd make a good ofeence, but at superspeed they're no way stopping Superman's opening salvo against Abra Cadabra. He can just whizz around them, without any trouble.
I've tried explaining this several times, but I can see that the next time I go up against a Kryptonian I'll need to come up with something else.

In any case, I did have a contingency in case Alcham and AVM didn't work. Angle Man was there using his triangle device to change Superman's direction and keep him occupied until Skyrocket attacked.

Lex's strategy is heavily reliant on Abra, so once Superman takes him down who's going to stop Green Lantern?
Hmm... good point. I probably should have come up with a contingency for that.

Brainiac's never mentioned, so far as I can see, in Lex's strategy. Characters don't start with their powers 'on' eg in the Mutant League Colossus has to transform into his metal form at the start of a match so unless it's written into the strat, Brainiac's forcefield isn't operative - so there's no problem in Scorch taking him out & running wild for the first couple of combat phases.
My first move was to have Skyrocket be on the lookout for any energy attacks. Since Scorch was the only one of BWilly's team to use energy (heat and light from her fire), that's what Skyrocket was doing. Either that or absorbing the energy from GL's force field.

[Froggy]

Has it ever been stated that he has psychokinesis in the comics? I saw that term on Wikipedia and clicked on the link to it. It took me to a page of a real world explaination of it. But since when do real world explaination match up with what we see in comics?

Anyway, I saw him use telepathic powers in comics, so that's what I'm going with. That okay?

I've only seen him do it like once, so it'd 'be like SMvsFL, so yea i'd stick with the TP. I was just explaining what psychokinesis was

[Kara Zor El]

I've only seen him do it like once, so it'd 'be like SMvsFL, so yea i'd stick with the TP. I was just explaining what psychokinesis was

Hey Froggy. Batman's on my team. And therefor I have the bat-plot device creator! And yer know what? The blasted thing doesn't work since Ultraman sat on it!!!!:(

[Froggy]

Hey Froggy. Batman's on my team. And therefor I have the bat-plot device creator! And yer know what? The blasted thing doesn't work since Ultraman sat on it!!!!:(
You had the bat-plot device creator? That could've won you the TOURNAMEEEEEEEEEEEENT!
Man, Ultraman's been hanging around Superman too much. Next thing you know he's gonna marry bats to a gorilla

[Kara Zor El]

You had the bat-plot device creator? That could've won you the TOURNAMEEEEEEEEEEEENT!
Man, Ultraman's been hanging around Superman too much. Next thing you know he's gonna marry bats to a gorilla

He he. Well I do have an ape who's in love with a metal skull on my team!!!

[Froggy]

He he. Well I do have an ape who's in love with a metal skull on my team!!! Mallahs gonna be making some wedding arrangements?:eek:

[BWilly]

Nothing to do with this match, but...really? That seems unnecessarily complicated.


I think it makes sense to have to mention the power being used becuase just because a character has a power doesn't mean it should be assumed it is on. Everyone should start out in their natural state, which is not using their powers. Colossus has to change into his metal form to activate his powers just like the Flash has to start running to activate his. Colossus starting in his metal form, or Brainiac starting with his force field up, would be like Flash starting to battle mid stride at full speed.

[Kara Zor El]

I think it makes sense to have to mention the power being used becuase just because a character has a power doesn't mean it should be assumed it is on. Everyone should start out in their natural state, which is not using their powers. Colossus has to change into his metal form to activate his powers just like the Flash has to start running to activate his. Colossus starting in his metal form, or Brainiac starting with his force field up, would be like Flash starting to battle mid stride at full speed.

I think it's fair to assume that Lex didn't know that and you should give him the benefit of the doubt that he intended Brainiac's forcefield's to be and close to his body.

However from now on we proceed as you say and have to say exactly what is what.

[Jessica Drew]

Oh goodness! A tie, with only twenty minutes remaining. Somebody break this sucker!

[Jessica Drew]

As is my duty, I'm about to break the tie. I hope both parties understand that I'll be as objective as possible. I've read both strategies multiple times, and I've read the arguments. Here's how I see it:


First Round

--Scorch toasts Brainiac 5.
--Superman taps Abra, but not before Abra makes a Jell-O mold.
--Superman is fast enough that he can take out AVM Man, too.
--Sand has trouble traveling through Jell-O, and his earth attack of Skyrocket doesn't reach her immediately because of the gelatin.
--Lex Luthor has had trouble finding/developing Kryptonite. I don't buy that Dr. A & AVM Man know its chemical make-up.
--Red Bee & Cyclone defeat each other.
--Brainwave & Mentallo defeat each other.
--GL takes out the Philospher's Stone, thus taking out Dr. Alchemy

Casualties:

Brainiac 5, Abra Kadabra, Cyclone, Mentallo, AVM Man
Red Bee, Brainwave

Second Round

--Scorcher takes out Firehawk.
--Angle Man takes out Icicle.
--GL then takes out Angle Man.
--Sandman is still immersed in Jell-O.
--Superman knocks out the Prankster, but then...
--Superman is hurting from red sun radiation.


Casualties:

--Firehawk, Angle Man, Prankster
--Icicle

Characters Still Battling

--Skyrocket, Frankenstein, Kid Crusader, Killer Moth
--Green Lantern, Scorcher, Roulette, Superman (ailing), Sand (still in Jell-O).

Prediction

--I think Skyrocket could absorb Scorcher's energy.
--I think GL would then take out Skyrocket.
--I think Superman would start to recover, but slowly, considering he's wrapped in a coccoon, and Frankenstein is hammering him.
--I think Kid Crusader would take out Roulette.
--I think Sand would make it back from the Jell-O mold.

Leaving me with:

--GL and Sand against Frankenstein and Killer Moth. Guess who winds that match?

Victor -- BWilly & Mr. Toast


Great, inventive strategies by both teams, and I loved the quagmire o' Jell-O.

[Lex]

A tie. Heh.

Jess's ruling was definately fair. So I conceed this battle to the great and glorious BWilly and Mr. Toast.

Congrats, guys!

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Boo, wrong call....and it's easy to make cryptonite especially with their knowledge!

I DEMAND A RECOUNT..lol

[BWilly]

Great match Lex. I would have been disappointed had I lost this match, but not upset because you had a great strategy. When my partner and I were doing our best to predict moves you might make and counter them, we never thought of that Jell-O move. That was a great idea.

[Kara Zor El]

Boo, wrong call....and it's easy to make cryptonite especially with their knowledge!

I DEMAND A RECOUNT..lol

How can they make it if you can't even spell it. LOL. :D

Just teasing. both had a great strat. It hurts less when it's so close. Loser goes out with honours.

[Citizen V]

Oh goodness! A tie!

Ive never seen a tie on the DC or Marvel Leagues.