DC League: Froggy vs. Schornforce

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome to the next match of the 2007 DC League! The DC League is a large-scale series of battles—a tournament—where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place at night in the middle of an abandoned city street 100 yards away from each other, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (with few exceptions), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

NOTE - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

Today’s second match: Froggy vs. Schornforce

Froggy: Big Barda, Zauriel, Captain Comet, Black Lightning, Cyborg, Blue Beetle, Beast Boy, Hot Spot, Sun Boy

Schornforce: Plastic Man, Miss Martian, Circe, Obsidian, Mirror Master, Gypsy, Pied Piper, Invisible Kid, Mr. Mind, Anarky, Oracle, Harley Quinn, Man-Bat, Detective Chimp, Two Face

[Jessica Drew]

Froggy's strategy:

Ok.......My team starts off the match with Sun Boy noticing Miss Martian due to beast boy telling him who she is. WIth that info given to sun boy he and hotspot let loose a slew of fireballs to keep her occupied, and get Captain Comet to take to the skies incase she tries to escape. Beast Boy handles Man Bat by turning into a dinosaur and wrecking him into unconsciousness (He becomes a pterodactyl like he did in that Teen titans story arc where all those kids got his powers). Zauriel comes at Mirror Master and Pied Piper with his Sonic scream which shatters mirror master's gear and leaves the pied piper without a pipe. After knocking man Bat out beast boy then takes down mr mind by chewing him then spitting him out and leaving him to rot. Big Barda jumps high up into the air and slams into Circe, with Captain Comet coming from behind to suprise her after helping hot spot and sun boy fry miss martian into defeat. Blue Beetle is then left to fight Harley Quinn, who he takes with some struggle, and then gets reinforcements after he gets bumrushed by TWo-face and Gypsy. His reinforcements are Black lightning and Zauriel, who wipe out the terrific twosome of two face and gypsy. This leaves Plastic Man with Anarky, Circe still fighting Big barda and captain comet, and oracle along with detective chimp. Beast boy turns himself into a lion and chases down detective chimp, leaving him occupied. Zauriel then takes tot he skies and slashes at plastic man with his heavenly sword. After Hot spot and sun boy finish off miss martian they run over to help Zauriel finish Plastic Man by frying his back like it was bacon. After a slew of superhot projectiles to his back and legs he eventually is melted down to a puddle, leaving circe alone against Zauriel Big Barda captain comet teh bule beete 3 sun boy hot spot and Beast boy who just had a piece of chimp.

[Jessica Drew]

Schornforce's strategy:

As soon as my team is placed into the city, Obsidian teleports everyone out-- except Mirror Master who casts an illusion of everyone still standing there.

Froggy's team, while quite powerful, doesn't seem to be able to track my team all THAT well, nor do they seem to be able to speed blitz anyone before we teleport away.

Mirror Master teleports out via his own power-- into his mirror dimension.

Obsidian splits my team into two main factions. He teleports Circe, Miss Martian, Invisible Kid, and most of the team as far from the opposition as he can. Jessica said that the battle takes place in a square mile-- so however far we can get-- and let's say, they're somewhere kinda hidden from view. If there's no place all that hidden, before Mirror Master teleports back to the mirror dimension, he makes a quick stop to cast an illusion of usual cityscape to obscure the faction(s) of his team, as necessary.

Then Oracle, Anarky, Plastic Man, Pied Piper, Mr. Mind, Gypsy, and Obsidian himself are teleported to the tallest building in the allowed area. Once there, Obsidian breaks apart several highly reflective surfaces and teleports them to the other teammates. While they're not true communicators, Mirror Master can serve as a middleman for emergency non-telepathic communication.

Miss Martian provides a primary telepathic link with Mr. Mind serving as a secondary one. If Mr. Mind is not equipped to handle a telepathic link, Circe "adjusts" his powers (similar to what she did to all of Wonder Woman's rogues). Mirror Master is the last communication resort.

Circe in the meantime is setting up a powerful magical forcefield to surround her team (she does this first-- upping Mr. Mind's power, if necessary, comes next). Invisible Kid uses his power and while still invisible flies above his faction to keep watch for the opposition.

Gypsy keeps invisible patrol for Oracle's group. Piper also has super hearing which can help out with keeping watch. Barbara Gordon has total recall (photographic memory) and can remember pretty much any major file she's ever accessed. She also has her blackberry on hand should anything happen to her or if she for whatever reason, can't remember something. It's not much, but has more obscure/newer heroes and villains of interest.

While in the building, Plas shapeshifts into a pair of binoculars allowing both he and Anarky to see the opposition and pinpoint their position. Obsidian can also peek out of any darkness in the area to keep an eye on the opposition.

Once Circe has her forcefield up, she and Obsidian simultaneously go to work.

Circe begins transforming anyone on the opposing team that she can. Anyone she can't transform, Obsidian attempts to possess. Finally, anyone STILL unaffected gets a big old blast of telepathic attack from Mr. Mind and Miss Martian.

If there are STILL members of Froggy's team with any fight left in them, Piper uses his music and Circe uses her magic to control any and all animals in the area to swarm their opposition. Circe can also transform the rats, pigeons, roaches, etc. into more formidable creatures if need be.

Best of all, with the tower tracking them, and the telepaths on my team, there shouldn't be anyone on Froggy's team that can't be found and attacked. Circe's magicks, telepathic assaults, Obsidian's shadows/possession, and Circe and Piper's animal control can all attack our opponents wherever they are, whether they're together or if they've separated.

It'll be tricky, but I think that with this mutiple pronged attack, Froggy's team will eventually fall.

[Lex]

Does Schornforce's team leave the city there are the beginning? It's kind of vague, but it could be interpreted that they do, and we're not supposed to exit the arena. And I'm not sure if Mirror Master going to his mirror dimension counts as leaving the arena or not.

Aside from that, interesting strategies.

[Dr. Killbydeath]

I voted for Schornforce, mostly because Froggy never mentions Obsidian.

[Sean Whitmore]

I voted for Schornforce, mostly because Froggy never mentions Obsidian.

Same here. I'd certainly question a few of Schornforce's tactics if it were a closer fight, but Froggy's makes it a moot point.


SEAN

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Umm, is Beast boy, chewing someone to death, and letting them rott, kindoff out of character?

[Froggy]

Umm, is Beast boy, chewing someone to death, and letting them rott, kindoff out of character?
ehhhhhhh good point but I didnt mean he chewed him to death by "piece of chimp" more like he playfully bit at him till he scared him sh*tless, like a tiger messing with a little chimp, or a lion in this case
I voted for Schornforce, mostly because Froggy never mentions Obsidian. Knew I forgot something!

totally forgot about obsidian! I was going to have black lightning light him up as he tries to spread the shadows around the field and whatnot, causing some type of shock to Obsidian's brain.......but I guess its too late to mention now:o

Same here. I'd certainly question a few of Schornforce's tactics if it were a closer fight, but Froggy's makes it a moot point.


SEAN
well, first try

[Sean Whitmore]

well, first try

And a good one! Don't worry, you're not the first person to forget an opponent in these matches. :)


SEAN

[Froggy]

And a good one! Don't worry, you're not the first person to forget an opponent in these matches. :)


SEAN

Thanks. It was cool to write it up though. Glad to know i'm not the first to totally forget about someone.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

ehhhhhhh good point but I didnt mean he chewed him to death by "piece of chimp" more like he playfully bit at him till he scared him sh*tless, like a tiger messing with a little chimp, or a lion in this case
Knew I forgot something!

totally forgot about obsidian! I was going to have black lightning light him up as he tries to spread the shadows around the field and whatnot, causing some type of shock to Obsidian's brain.......but I guess its too late to mention now:o


well, first try

Umm, how do you playfully chew someone up and leave them to rott?

[Kara Zor El]

Not got time to look at these untill later. But I will and I'll vote then.

[Schornforce]

Does Schornforce's team leave the city there are the beginning? It's kind of vague, but it could be interpreted that they do, and we're not supposed to exit the arena. And I'm not sure if Mirror Master going to his mirror dimension counts as leaving the arena or not.

Aside from that, interesting strategies.

Sorry for the confusion and vagueness. My team stays within the game's allowed limits (one square mile). Circe's team just gets as far away as they can from the opposition within the allowed limit. Oracle's team meanwhile goes to the tallest building within the allowed area.

If it's illegal for Mirror Master to enter the mirror dimension (aside from, say, quick attacks and/or teleportation), then let's say "Mirror Dimension" is the name of a store he owns :P "Come to 'Mirror Dimension' for all your reflective needs!

...or he's just somewhere secluded within the limits of the game with two mirrors so he can stand by for emergency communication.

[Froggy]

Umm, how do you playfully chew someone up and leave them to rott?

They dont rot. He's just scared shitless cause their is a big green lion that took a bit out of his asshairs. I mean I dont think i'd come back to the fight from that you know?

[Lex]

That's cool. No worries.

And as long as Mirror Master uses the mirror dimension for teleportation (and not hiding out of reach of the other team), then I see no problem with it.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

They dont rot. He's just scared shitless cause their is a big green lion that took a bit out of his asshairs. I mean I dont think i'd come back to the fight from that you know?

Then why did you write this in your strat?

beast boy then takes down mr mind by chewing him then spitting him out and leaving him to rot.

[Froggy]

Then why did you write this in your strat?

Yipes! I wasnt thinking maybe?..............I'm guessing me trying to clarify that wouldnt help my case either would it?

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Yipes! I wasnt thinking maybe?..............I'm guessing me trying to clarify that wouldnt help my case either would it?

lol...ya, but don't worry, we all make mistakes at times.

[Froggy]

lol...ya, but don't worry, we all make mistakes at times.

Alright....at least I went out wtih style:cool:

[Kara Zor El]

I like both strats but Shornforce has you attacking an imaginary team and you have no countermeasure for that Froggy, plus you kind of misused your characters. I love the leave him to rot line, but it's out of character. Shornforce knows his characters well and has the appropriate fun with them and I loved Plastic Man becoming binoculars. So Schornforce gets my vote.
Froggy, I thought your debating was very honest and kinda cute.

[K'Nort]

Can Plastic Man turn into mechanical things with working parts that will actually work? Especially parts that don't work if they're red/yellow?

Blue Beetle is then left to fight Harley Quinn, who he takes with some struggle, and then gets reinforcements after he gets bumrushed by TWo-face and Gypsy.

I'm a big fan of Ted, but he's not much for hand-to-hand. I don't see him prevailing against an acrobatic type especially. And predicting who your opponent will throw at whom is a hard strategy to defend outside of the obvious powerhouse match-ups.

You did a really good job overall, though, of figuring out whom to match up against whom.

[Froggy]

I like both strats but Shornforce has you attacking an imaginary team and you have no countermeasure for that Froggy, plus you kind of misused your characters. I love the leave him to rot line, but it's out of character. Shornforce knows his characters well and has the appropriate fun with them and I loved Plastic Man becoming binoculars. So Schornforce gets my vote.
Froggy, I thought your debating was very honest and kinda cute.
Thank you, really think so?
Can Plastic Man turn into mechanical things with working parts that will actually work? Especially parts that don't work if they're red/yellow?



I'm a big fan of Ted, but he's not much for hand-to-hand. I don't see him prevailing against an acrobatic type especially. And predicting who your opponent will throw at whom is a hard strategy to defend outside of the obvious powerhouse match-ups.

You did a really good job overall, though, of figuring out whom to match up against whom. I dont think Plas can do that
I didnt have ted though, I had jamie reyes, mr scarab in his spine. I figured jamie's more physical then ted so he'd be up for something liek that, and thanks

[Dr. Killbydeath]

Yeah, Jaimie can take on Harley, Two Face and Gypsy at the same time.

[Sean Whitmore]

Plastic Man can mimic mechanical stuff, I'm pretty sure. It's how he can turn into a car with wheels that actually roll.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

Yeah, Jaimie can take on Harley, Two Face and Gypsy at the same time.

Quite easily, I'd imagine.


SEAN

[Schornforce]

Can Plastic Man turn into mechanical things with working parts that will actually work? Especially parts that don't work if they're red/yellow?


It depends. I think he's changed into robots, eggbeaters, and other things like that, but as to how "mechanical" they are, it's not usually shown since it's usually for a single panel gag. He's been a motorboat IIRC (but I could be wrong there). I may have stretched (ha!) the binoculars a bit, but I think that Plas is very versatile and the binoculars thing isn't *too* out of the realm of possibility. It's not as though he turned into a microwave or an ultimate nullifier. As for the red/yellow part, he also has white, peach, and black to work with. I think the white if stretched thin enough could make a fair lens...

in short, I dunno. ;) What was the question?

Hmmm.... ultimate nullifier Plas.

...nah.

Also, Froggy had great matchups. I just know that direct confrontation had a great possibility of messiness with Zauriel and Barda on board. Zauriel has that angel-dusting scream and a host of invulnerabilities/resistances and Barda may or may not have a motherbox. If it were just a 'rush at each other screaming fight,' Froggy might win it pretty much as he said... except for Obsidian (I dunno if electricity would even effect him, since he can go immaterial if he wishes...) Jaime was also a problem, as he may or may not have resistance to magic... but that scarab of his seems finicky to me (but I haven't read recent issues, so it could be more in tune with what he wants to do).

[Dr. Killbydeath]

Umm... Opaque white or peach wouldn't be good for binoculars..

[Froggy]

It depends. I think he's changed into robots, eggbeaters, and other things like that, but as to how "mechanical" they are, it's not usually shown since it's usually for a single panel gag. He's been a motorboat IIRC (but I could be wrong there). I may have stretched (ha!) the binoculars a bit, but I think that Plas is very versatile and the binoculars thing isn't *too* out of the realm of possibility. It's not as though he turned into a microwave or an ultimate nullifier. As for the red/yellow part, he also has white, peach, and black to work with. I think the white if stretched thin enough could make a fair lens...

in short, I dunno. ;) What was the question?

Hmmm.... ultimate nullifier Plas.

...nah.

Also, Froggy had great matchups. I just know that direct confrontation had a great possibility of messiness with Zauriel and Barda on board. Zauriel has that angel-dusting scream and a host of invulnerabilities/resistances and Barda may or may not have a motherbox. If it were just a 'rush at each other screaming fight,' Froggy might win it pretty much as he said... except for Obsidian (I dunno if electricity would even effect him, since he can go immaterial if he wishes...)

He's like impossible man on the shapeshifting tip, they can change into darn near anything, but still have the color.


I was banking on Obsidian trying to do his whole shadows thing and the electricity lighting him up, sort of like Static vs Ebon.

[Schornforce]

Umm... Opaque white or peach wouldn't be good for binoculars..

I thought if the plastic was stretched enough it'd be clear... enough....

well, Plas has lenses (tinted), but he sees through 'em fine. Maybe that combined with Anarky's mask can allow Anarky to see fine through the Plas-binoculars...

[StarsAndGarters]

We vote for Schornforce. I liked the use of Mirror Master especially.

Froggy had some good ideas, and the uses of Captain Comet and Sun Boy would have been great except for the way Schornforce had Obsidian teleport them away. As for your format, it would help to put some spaces in between distinct points in your strategy, to make things more clear.

[Schornforce]

He's like impossible man on the shapeshifting tip, they can change into darn near anything, but still have the color.


I was banking on Obsidian trying to do his whole shadows thing and the electricity lighting him up, sort of like Static vs Ebon.

I never thought of that! That'd make a nifty thing for the Rumbles board-- Plas vs. Impy!

Good idea with the light from the electricity, but Obsidian IS the shadowlands. He's taken away all shadows before. I dont' think light in and of itself is really his vulnerability... unless it's a huge dose of powerful light delivered for a good period of time (i.e. Green Lantern)-- he'd also have to be unable to teleport away. I'll have to re-read my JSA trades to be sure, though. Strong light WILL release those possessed by Obsidian's power, however.

[Froggy]

We vote for Schornforce. I liked the use of Mirror Master especially.

Froggy had some good ideas, and the uses of Captain Comet and Sun Boy would have been great except for the way Schornforce had Obsidian teleport them away. As for your format, it would help to put some spaces in between distinct points in your strategy, to make things more clear. Ahh, Ok. At least i'm ready for next time! Ill remember to do those things exactly

I never thought of that! That'd make a nifty thing for the Rumbles board-- Plas vs. Impy!

Good idea with the light from the electricity, but Obsidian IS the shadowlands. He's taken away all shadows before. I dont' think light in and of itself is really his vulnerability... unless it's a huge dose of powerful light delivered for a good period of time (i.e. Green Lantern)-- he'd also have to be unable to teleport away. I'll have to re-read my JSA trades to be sure, though. Strong light WILL release those possessed by Obsidian's power, however. Plas vs Impy would be interesting

AHh, Ok. I was worried about that, cause I didnt think I had anyone who could really fracture obsidians darkness if he got a hold fo the whole battlefield. Good stuff

[Lex]

Good idea with the light from the electricity, but Obsidian IS the shadowlands. He's taken away all shadows before. I dont' think light in and of itself is really his vulnerability... unless it's a huge dose of powerful light delivered for a good period of time (i.e. Green Lantern)-- he'd also have to be unable to teleport away. I'll have to re-read my JSA trades to be sure, though. Strong light WILL release those possessed by Obsidian's power, however.
In the past he's been vulnerable to short bursts of light. I think Dr. Mid-Nite had a device or something that made a burst of light an hurt Obsidian.

[Kara Zor El]

I saw the lense part of Plastic Man binoculars being the see-through jelly of his eyes, stretched out.

[K'Nort]

I didnt have ted though, I had jamie reyes, mr scarab in his spine.

*smacks forehead*

Totally forgot about him.

[Froggy]

*smacks forehead*

Totally forgot about him.

It's alright. If I did pick Ted though I would've made sure I got his kickass beetle........

[Schornforce]

I saw the lense part of Plastic Man binoculars being the see-through jelly of his eyes, stretched out.

That could work too! Gross, but effective. :D

[Schornforce]

In the past he's been vulnerable to short bursts of light. I think Dr. Mid-Nite had a device or something that made a burst of light an hurt Obsidian.

I thought those light burst thingys didn't hurt Obsidian directly, just those he'd possessed... again, I'll have to look at my trades when I get home tonight.

[Kara Zor El]

That could work too! Gross, but effective. :D

You'll probably all have figured I'm pretty gross for a girlie. Go check my art in my signiture. You'll see where I'm coming from.

[Froggy]

You'll probably all have figured I'm pretty gross for a girlie. Go check my art in my signiture. You'll see where I'm coming from.

I second that, but it's a cool gross. the plastic man idea was nice

[Jessica Drew]

Congratulations Schornforce, on your first DC League win.

[Froggy]

Congratulations Schornforce, on your first DC League win.

yea congrats :)

[Schornforce]

Thank you! :)

Thanks for being such a great competitor, Froggy!

[Kara Zor El]

Froggy I can't find your team's character analasys, depicting their powers etc could you provide a link please. Or repaste it over in the DC League Sign up on the last page?

[Froggy]

Thank you! :)

Thanks for being such a great competitor, Froggy!
No problem
Froggy I can't find your team's character analasys, depicting their powers etc could you provide a link please. Or repaste it over in the DC League Sign up on the last page?

[Kara Zor El]

Thanks Froggy, you can delete that now if you want as it's cluttering up this thread a bit. I've pasted it onto the begining of my Strat against you.