DC League: Kara Zor El vs. Atom_basher

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome to the next match of the 2007 DC League! The DC League is a large-scale series of battles—a tournament—where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place at night in the middle of an abandoned city street 100 yards away from each other, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (with few exceptions), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

NOTE - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

Today’s first match: Kara Zor El vs. Atom_basher

Kara Zor El: Ultraman, Black Adam, General Zod, Batman, the Brain and Monsieur Mallah

Atom_basher: Dr. Light, Faith, Kyle Rayner, Animal Man, Captain Marvel Jr., Mr. Miracle, Guardian

[Jessica Drew]

Kara Zor El's strategy:

PART ONE
Ultraman and Zod’s telescopic vision reveals Dr. Light III, Faith, Kyle Rayner, Animal Man, Captain Marvel, Jr.), Mr. Miracle, Guardian 100 yards away. Batman and Brains instant analysis: Rayner is the only real threat to my three weapons of mass destruction. He must be destroyed first. Captain Marvel is only half as strong as Black Adam but Adam will focus on him first. Brain immediately computes that Ion will be vulnerable in a tight space, whilst spinning and moving at super speed.

Now to business. Batman and the Brain have noticed that the windows in all the skyscrapers and buildings are mostly intact and what happens next is on their advice. Ultraman and Black Adam clap their hands together with enough power to shatter every window in the city. As the shards of glass begin to fall, Ultraman uses his super-breath to blow it at the other team. Billions of glass shards hurtle toward them, like a swarm of shining killer wasps. Rayner and Faith may put up a shield that protects all of his team. But if not then the flesh of Dr.Light, Faith, Guardian, and Mister Miracle will be shredded. Batman and Mallah will immediately scale nearby buildings and look for targets, heading nearer under the cover of darkness and the glass. As the swarm of shards flies at my opponents, General Zod will have already drilled into the ground, with a super-spin and will then tunnel toward the other team, at hypersonic speed, the force of this tunnelling will unsteady the feet of his opponents. That means they will have been delayed by the glass, by either protecting against it or receiving it, and by further tremors buckling the very ground they land on. When Zod is below Rayner he will use his x-ray vision to locate him and then zoom up and grab his feet pulling him down into the tunnel. If this is successful Zod will go into a spin once more and burrow with Rayner as far down as he can go. Rayner will be spinning at supersonic speed and will have to use his powers to stop himself being torn apart by the rock, heat and velocity of the spin. If this happens then Ultraman will rip up a street lamp, snap it in half and then hurl each piece at Doctor Light and Faith, and then follow them in flight. If the lamps hit home then Light and Faith are finished, if they block them with their powers, Ultraman will be right behind them. Ultraman will lift Doctor (silly beard) Light into the air and rip him in half, and as he is doing this he will also use his heat vision to cook Faith’s brain and just to make sure she is dead, he’ll then freeze her with his breath, until her blood is exploding with ice crystals. Ultraman will then throw the upper torso of Doctor Light at Mister Miracle and the lower half at Guardian; buying time for Batman and Mallah, who have been racing along the rooftops to attack them. Batman will pepper Guardian with Batarangs, attempting to immobilise his nerve centres and Mallah will pump Mister Miracle full of lead with his machine gun. Guardian may block the batarangs with his shield but will use that moment of defence to leap in and using the vibrating palm technique, he will finish Mister Miracle and Mallah will turn his gun on Guardian, who again will be forced to defend. Batman will roundhouse him to the floor and knock him out with a carefully aimed blow.

PART 2
As soon as Black Adam has clapped his hands at the beginning, he will be heading for Captain Marvel 3 at super velocity, as he heads towards him he will be grabbing cars and fire hydrants and lobbing them at Animal Man and Faith, keeping them busy, allowing Ultraman to close in, but heading for Marvel until they meet. Black Adam will be hurtling toward him at this point with the velocity and mass of the asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs. Adam’s force will be incredible and the impact will rattle Marvel’s brain in its skull. Adam will then throw Marvel through the nearest building buying him a few moments to attack Animal Man, whatever animal powers Animal Man manifests, he’s no match for this angry God and Black Adam destroys his internal organs with a barrage of super fast punches, which destroys the alien bestowed powers. But just to make sure, Black Adam removes his spine, by ripping it from his back and whips a returning Captain Marvel 3 across the face with it. This does nothing more than upset Marvel. He gets a few digs in on the pointy eared lunatic, drawing blood, but man who tortured Death to er… well death, gets an uppercut in and sends Captain Marvel through several tall buildings and whilst Captain Marvel is crashing through the concrete, Evil Adam adds to the attack on Ion. He’ll do this by Flying down into the tunnel Zod made; both Zod and Adam will then crush Ion between them. Ion will have found it hard to use his powers in the tight space of the tunnel and because he is spinning so fast. Zod and Adam will then return to above ground and just to demoralize a returning Captain Marvel, they will tear Ion in half. Black Adam and Ultraman will then beat Marvel between them, reigning blows on him until he falls, while Zod helps Batman and Mallah make sure Guardian, Faith, Mister Miracle and Doctor Light stay down.
PART 3
If Rayner is flying within the first few moments Zod will come out of the tunnel he has made, with heat vision blazing at Rayner and then throw him toward Ultraman, who will hit him with a bus or some other large and heavy city object, and even if he is blasted by Rayner, Zod will be closing in from behind.
Mallah and Batman will be using the rooftops and building structures to get within range of the other team and Ultraman will now join the attack on Rayner. The three persons of mass destruction will pummel Rayner into the ground and then Zod will turn his heat vision on the Guardian, as the Guardian screams in agony, Rayner will try and protect him with his shielding powers, at this moment Ultraman will do the spin and tunnel down with Rayner as Zod would have done earlier. As they tunnel, Zod will Use his super breath to blow the now settled glass shards back up at the Guardian, Doctor Light and Faith. Adam will still attack Captain Marvel as before. With everything else playing the same way.

NOTES
The flying glass should cause a lot of problems, because Rayner will have to protect all against it. Even Faith’s telekinesis will have trouble blocking so much of it and Doctor Light will have trouble melting it all. It will also by a shocking attack, which will demoralize the other team. This will buy the time Zod needs to tunnel toward Rayner and Black Adam the time to do his asteroid thing on Captain Marvel.

Batman will use his stealth and agility to get across the rooftops undetected, plus the glass will cover him and Mallah who will use his ape strength and agility to move forward too. As Faith, light, Guardian and miracle recover from the glass and the ground tremors, Batman and Mallah will strike at them.


I’m going for the big shock. Ion is very powerful, but he has three homicidal, persons of mass destruction on his case.

If Batman and Mallah are taken out then Guardian and Mister Miracle will be included in Ultraman’s attack on Light and Faith. He will be able to deal with their attacks, and will quickly burn them and pummel them.

I’m betting on the flying glass to stop any first strike from my opponents. But if Ion still comes straight for my boys, then Zod, Ultraman, and Black Adam will split, fly in different directions and then on Batman’s signal fly into him from three different directions at top speed. This should stop him and the rest my opponents should still be dealing with flying glass, and Batman and Mallah will be closing in to tie them up with projectiles. Once Ion is dead, the powerful three will do as they did before but this time Zod will single out Animal Man and attack him.

If Captain Marvel comes straight in Black Adam will take him on and the scenario will run the same but with Adam throwing Marvel through a near by building and zooming toward Animal Man to take him out and back to Marvel as before.

I’m counting on the glass and shock waves stopping Faith from teleporting immediately. Also the sheer speed and mass of Black Adam and Ultraman should make them incredibly difficult for Doctor Light and faith to target, but if they are hit by them, they will easily shake off such meagre blasts and only be slowed a fraction.

I don’t think removing Ultraman’s Kryptonite is going to be worth much, because the fight will not last long and the glass will cover this early strike.

If Zod, Adam or Ultraman is killed the surving two will concentrate on Ion and Marvel in that order. Marvel will be put through a building to keep him busy and the two will attempt the tunnel dive with Ion.
While Mallah and Batman continue as before. This would probably result in the death of Mallah and Batman, depending on how injured, if at all from the glass the others are. But if two of my supermen can take out Ion, then Marvel and the others will soon follow.

When the fight is over my team will head to the nearest dry cleaners. And Batman will go and get his crumpled ears fixed for the next fight.

[Jessica Drew]

Atom_basher's strategy:

Atom_basher’s strategy:

This team will be tough, Kara has (I believe) the most physically dominant team in the league, with three powerhouses that have NO problems blitzing and murdering anyone on my team, so trying to go toe to toe blow for blow will only lead to my team getting its butt kicked. I have to play smart

Phase 1 (Happening at light speed)

*CM3 AND animal man go on speed blitz duty and DR light goes on light absorption duty (if he can)....CM3 grabs guardian's unbreakable shield, and huddles next to Ion VERY closely (note, since CM3 is the only one calling on the powers of shazam, he should have full powers of captain marvel which put him on a scale VERY close to adam), at the very same time animal man, *using the powers of Krypto the super dog* huddle closely to Kyle, to defend against a speed blitz. Animal man should have no problem drawing on the power of Krypto, as Animal man has been upgraded in the pages of 52 and can now tap into the morphogenetic field of the entire universe (he has copied the abilities of a sun eater). So copying krypto should be easy. CM3 uses the shield to have a greater range of defense, and Animal man spits ink into the eyes of anyone who he can. They keep up this 2 on 3 defense tactic until Kyle can get up a shield. *note: if Mr miracle is a target his mother box should auto-shield to protect from a possible blitz, as MBs have been known to protect their owners

*Phase 2 (happening instantly and simultaneously)

*Kyle Rayner constructs the most powerful shield he can muster (with Dr Light fortifying it with his own powerful shields) around everyone but CM3 and Animal man (who stay defensive until ultraman is mind controlled *see below* in which case they start double teaming Adam. Ion’s shields should be pretty damn powerful, before being at Ion levels again, Kyle kept Ultraman trapped on the moon in a bubble for 3 days, so this shield should hold up for at least a few minutes, during this time, Mr Miracle, requests his motherbox for schematics for a mind control helmet, since motherboxes are all knowing, and most likely have schematics for very high end New god tech, this shouldn't be a problem. The mother box uploads the info telepathically to Kyle, who constructs the helmet on Ultra man's head, with the instructions to knock batman out (without killing him) and get his Kryptonite ring, and beat the crap out of Zod with it. (If Ultraman is already wearing the ring Ultraman skips right to beating zod's butt. due to zod's kryptonite weakness, he should be taken out quickly

*Animal man and CM3 double team Adam to keep him occupied. and attempt to knock him out.

*Faith Teleports Behind Brain and Mala, and telekinetically slam them into batman (if he wasn't attacked for his ring in phase 1) until they're all knocked out. if that isnt enough faith slams Mala and brain onto the ground as many times as it takes to take them out.

Phase 3
*With Zod down, Ultraman's new instructions are to assist in the attack of Adam, Adam is good, but he cant stand against the combined force of these 3, he eventually goes down.

*Ultra man's final instructions are to let himself be beaten, in which case my team dogpiles him and quickly take him out.

[Schornforce]

One question re: the mind control helmet-- Ultraman is from Earth 2-- things are different there. Earth 2 people have their hearts on the opposite side of their bodies for instance. Is it a guarantee that the helmet would even work on his mind?

BTW. GREAT strategies, both of you. I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for.

[Kara Zor El]

Whoa, great strat Atom-Basher. But I see a flaw or too. (I would of course) But Batman keeps his ring in his utility belt and that is tamper proof. It can't be burgled. If you had mind controlled Batman and made him use the ring then that would be a different story. Also the flying glass should prevent this from happening soon enough for it to matter. It was good to go all defensive at stage one but that is what I wanted so Zod could reach a grounded Ion. The shield goes down once Zod pulls him into the tunnel, and I'm assuming the shield doesn't go under his feet. Then Adam is in there, closely followed by Ultraman and Bats and Mallah.

[Atom_basher]

Great strat Kara

Batman's belt may be tamper proof, but i doubt it would keep out ultraman who is Super man equal in strength, if Ultraman wants the ring, he'll get it,

I don't see why ultra man wouldnt be mind controlled, as far as weve seen, he is basically superman's genetic counterpart, and superman has been mind controlled

[Joe Acro]

One question re: the mind control helmet-- Ultraman is from Earth 2-- things are different there. Earth 2 people have their hearts on the opposite side of their bodies for instance. Is it a guarantee that the helmet would even work on his mind?

BTW. GREAT strategies, both of you. I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for.Ultraman is from the Anti-Matter universe, the last time I checked. If not, he'd be Earth-3. (Just wanted to fix that minor error.)

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Ultraman is in this match-up!

[Kara Zor El]

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[Kara Zor El]

One question re: the mind control helmet-- Ultraman is from Earth 2-- things are different there. Earth 2 people have their hearts on the opposite side of their bodies for instance. Is it a guarantee that the helmet would even work on his mind?

BTW. GREAT strategies, both of you. I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for.

Good point Schornforce. I wouldn't have thought of that but what I did think was, just how long would it take for the mother box to come up with the helmet and then project it to Rayner? With the added distraction of the flying glass. Zod will be on Rayner in seconds. So even if the helmet works, can it be done in time?
and lets say the helmet materializes, it would distract him at the moment Zod reaches him and pulls him underground and then ion would be very hard-pushed to make it work.

[Kara Zor El]

Ultraman would find that the utility belt is rigged to destroy the kryptonite ring and all of its other possessions if tampered with.

[BWilly]

Good strategies by both parties. I'm going to hold off voting until I see some debating between the 2 contestants.

There is 1 thing in each strategy that bothers me though, maybe the contestants would like to address:

Kara Zor-el: You say that Batman and Brain recommend the glass move. It seems out of character for Batman to recommend that move, as it could very likely kill any unsheilded opponent.

Atom_basher: have the New Gods ever shown to have a mind control helmet? I don't recall this. I'm not sure I buy them having that technology just because theirs is better than Earth tech. Correct me if the New Gods have been shown to have this tech.

[Atom_basher]

Good strategies by both parties. I'm going to hold off voting until I see some debating between the 2 contestants.

There is 1 thing in each strategy that bothers me though, maybe the contestants would like to address:

Kara Zor-el: You say that Batman and Brain recommend the glass move. It seems out of character for Batman to recommend that move, as it could very likely kill any unsheilded opponent.

Atom_basher: have the New Gods ever shown to have a mind control helmet? I don't recall this. I'm not sure I buy them having that technology just because theirs is better than Earth tech. Correct me if the New Gods have been shown to have this tech.

oy vey this forum is out to get me, it wont even let me post replies until now. :p

while to my knowledge mind control helmets haven't been shown as new god tech, i was using that as an example as what motehrboxes have access to, Motherboxes pretty much know how to do everything. and mind control devices have been shown being used in the dc universe, so its not that far of a stretch that a motehrbox would have schematics for it

Ultraman would find that the utility belt is rigged to destroy the kryptonite ring and all of its other possessions if tampered with.

I dont buy that one bit, ultraman can move at lightspeeds, and can have the ring before the belts devices destroy the items

[Kara Zor El]

Good strategies by both parties. I'm going to hold off voting until I see some debating between the 2 contestants.

There is 1 thing in each strategy that bothers me though, maybe the contestants would like to address:

Kara Zor-el: You say that Batman and Brain recommend the glass move. It seems out of character for Batman to recommend that move, as it could very likely kill any unsheilded opponent.

Atom_basher: have the New Gods ever shown to have a mind control helmet? I don't recall this. I'm not sure I buy them having that technology just because theirs is better than Earth tech. Correct me if the New Gods have been shown to have this tech.

Batman knows that Ion and Faith will put up sheilds. That's why he suggests it. He has succesfully second guessed what they will do and the payoff is Zod reaching Ion before they can pull his underpants out of the crack of his ass!!!

[Atom_basher]

Batman knows that Ion and Faith will put up sheilds. That's why he suggests it. He has succesfully second guessed what they will do and the payoff is Zod reaching Ion before they can pull his underpants out of the crack of his ass!!!

how? when captain marvel and Animal man are on speed blitz defense? if zod is going it on his own to blitz, he will be double teamed.

[Kara Zor El]

oy vey this forum is out to get me, it wont even let me post replies until now. :p

while to my knowledge mind control helmets haven't been shown as new god tech, i was using that as an example as what motehrboxes have access to, Motherboxes pretty much know how to do everything. and mind control devices have been shown being used in the dc universe, so its not that far of a stretch that a motehrbox would have schematics for it



I dont buy that one bit, ultraman can move at lightspeeds, and can have the ring before the belts devices destroy the items

And Ultraman will be moving at lightspeed straight after he's blown the glass. Can you mind controle someonne who you can't even see they are moving so fast, with a totally questionable invention by the the mother box. (Dito with posting speed, server suddenly got hit by Turtle Man)

[Atom_basher]

And Ultraman will be moving at lightspeed straight after he's blown the glass. Can you mind controle someonne who ou can't even see they are moving so fast, with a totally questionable invention by the the mother box. (Dito with posting speed, server suddenly got hit by Turtle Man)

Green lanterns can perceive light speed, they have done it many times in the past i didnt think i had to add into my strategy he will himself to see light speed.

also mindcontrol devices have been seen in the dc universe many times over, even if new god tech DOESNT have mind control devices, it has been shown elsewhere

[Kara Zor El]

how? when captain marvel and Animal man are on speed blitz defense? if zod is going it on his own to blitz, he will be double teamed.

Zod's underground and your guys have billions of shards of glass messing up there vision. Plus Adam hits Captain Marvel and throws him at Animal Man. Perfect, that they are still close together.

[Kara Zor El]

Green lanterns can perceive light speed, they have done it many times in the past i didnt think i had to add into my strategy he will himself to see light speed.

also mindcontrol devices have been seen in the dc universe many times over, even if new god tech DOESNT have mind control devices, it has been shown elsewhere

But Ion is to busy recieving the mind control helmet creation and putting up a shield to also look for Zod, who has done something you did not counter for in your strategy.

[Kara Zor El]

Also if Kyle rayner suddenly had a mind control helmet on his head, would be able to use it effectively in time? and I didn't mean a mind control helmet was questionable but the mother box's ability to create the blueprint, quickly, if at all, and for use against an antimatter being.

[Kara Zor El]

It's almost midnight here in England so I'm off to bed I'm afraid. I'd stay up and debate some more but the server is slower than a a snail on pot, and my girlfriend has smoky look in her eyes, so goodnight. I'll be back in about 8 or 9 hours to counterstrike the mighty Atom basher. so if you are not sure which way to vote, please wait until my return. This is so enjoyable, thanks for a great fight so far Atom. I didn't realize how much I would enjoy this part.

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm sure you guys just mean it as a turn of phrase, but nobody in this fight is capable of moving at light speed. (Well, Ion and Doc Light, maybe)

I'm gonna wait for some more discussion before I vote, but I wanted to comment on the Krypto thing. While I think it was a brilliant idea (very Morrison-esque), I don't know how kosher it is. Animal Man's recent power boost notwithstanding, can he really focus on taking the attributes of a specific dog? And even if so, are Krypto's yellow-sun-based powers transferrable through The Red?


SEAN

[Kara Zor El]

I'm sure you guys just mean it as a turn of phrase, but nobody in this fight is capable of moving at light speed. (Well, Ion, maybe)

I'm gonna wait for some more discussion before I vote, but I wanted to comment on the Krypto thing. While I think it was a brilliant idea (very Morrison-esque), I don't know how kosher it is. Animal Man's recent power boost notwithstanding, can he really focus on taking the attributes of a specific dog? And even if so, are Krypto's yellow-sun-based powers transferrable through The Red?


SEAN

Your right Sean, I meant hypersonic speed.

The Krypto thing was an amazing idea. Totally blew my brain. But even if pulled off, Black Adam can take Krypto.

[Kara Zor El]

Also if Animal Man has Krypto's powers he also has his weaknesses; Kryptonie. If a mind controlled Ultraman wields it then animal Man will fall along with Zod, and if Batman gets to keep it, he and Mallah will detect Animal Man has Kryptonian powers and bats will unleash the ring and stop him, while Zod is underground.

right I'm hitting the hay.:(

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

I have a question, since Jessica said that there would be no affect on the caracter from their story line after the draft, dose Animal Man still get his super duper powers?

[Citizen V]

Is it legal to vote for yourself?Because i see that Atom Basher,only has one vote so far..his own.

[Schornforce]

Is it legal to vote for yourself?Because i see that Atom Basher,only has one vote so far..his own.

Kara voted for herself too. So I would say 'yes.'

[Jessica Drew]

I have a question, since Jessica said that there would be no affect on the caracter from their story line after the draft, dose Animal Man still get his super duper powers?


Now, I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I am: Animal duped the powers of the Sun-Eater during 52 BEFORE the draft started. I'm almost--almost--certain of it.

Also, as far as the Animal Man/matrix thing goes, this was mentioned in the Morrison series--though I don't remember if he duped powers of animals from non-terran species.

[Mon-el]

Now, I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I am: Animal duped the powers of the Sun-Eater during 52 BEFORE the draft started. I'm almost--almost--certain of it.


JD is right, Draft was on 3-16. Animal Man super duper powers appear on 52 Week #43 Date 2-28.

[Atom_basher]

i would gather animal man can get powers from specific animals, Vixen (who draws her powers from the same place as animal man) took gorilla grodd's telepathy.

Your right Sean, I meant hypersonic speed.

The Krypto thing was an amazing idea. Totally blew my brain. But even if pulled off, Black Adam can take Krypto.

youre forgetting somthing, when animal takes the powers from a smaller animal they scale UP, so while adam can take Krypto im not so sure he can take on animal man, who (while copying Krypto) should be on scale with super man, maybe a tad tougher, when supergirl was in superman's fortress Krypto attacked her with ebough power to make her feel it. so scaling that up to a human's size should make animal man massively powerful

[Sean Whitmore]

i would gather animal man can get powers from specific animals, Vixen (who draws her powers from the same place as animal man) took gorilla grodd's telepathy.

Ah, I was unaware of this. Well, you convinced me. :)


SEAN

[Atom_basher]

Ah, I was unaware of this. Well, you convinced me. :)


SEAN

i BELIEVE she did this in issue 47 of Flash, while i MAY be wrong about the exact issue number im 100 percent she did it in an issue of flash

[Dr. Killbydeath]

I'm voting for Atom_Basher for three reasons:

1) Animal Man with Krypto powers bones part of Kara's plan.
2) Kara underestimates Dr Light
3) I can't understand why it would be hard for Ion and Dr Light (let alone one of them by themselves) to protect the team against glass? Ion is a world destroyer and Dr Light took on like 40 Titans at once.

[Lex]

I voted for Atom_basher. His strat was fun and creative and he found smart ways to beat a super powerful team with his underdog team. Great job!

And I agree with him that a Mother Box could have instructions for a mind control helmet. They are always helping people out and giving them instructions for stuff. And I remember in Superman/Doomster: Huner/Prey, a mother box transformed Superman's costume to better attack an evolved Doomsday. The new costume included an energy sword and a sonic gun. So I totally buy a mother box coming up with instructions for that helmet.

Also, Kara did a great job with his strat too. It was fun and intense to read. You utilized their high power levels well.

I'm sure you guys just mean it as a turn of phrase, but nobody in this fight is capable of moving at light speed. (Well, Ion and Doc Light, maybe)
I took issue with this too.

Kara has Black Adam moving at the same speed as the asteroid that killed all the dinosaurs. I believe that's from a recent issue of 52 where the mad scientists have a force field that's supposed to protect them from an asteroid strike (they specifcally mention like the one that killed the dinosaurs). But in that issue you see Egg Fu counting down "He is five hundred miles away! Three hundred... One hundred..." And then Adam breaks through. So Adam had to back up hundreds of miles away and charge at the force field to reach that speed. There's no way Adam can reach that speed here because he only started 100 yards away.

Yards. Not miles.

And Kara also has Adam picking things up and throwing them on his way, that that would naturally slow him down.

No one can go from zero to lightspeed... unless they are actually made out of light. Even Flash has to build up speed to reach that velocity.

[Atom_basher]

not to mention, Black adam waits for batman and Brain's recommendations to break the glass, and this is even after the 2 survey the area and come to the conclusion. this act probably took ATLEAST 5 seconds, more than enough time for Ion and Light to make shields

[Kara Zor El]

not to mention, Black Adam waits for batman and Brain's recommendations to break the glass, and this is even after the 2 survey the area and come to the conclusion. this act probably took ATLEAST 5 seconds, more than enough time for Ion and Light to make shields

The glass was a diversion. So they had to put up Shields and so Ion would stay grounded. My start totally deals with them hiding behind the shield at the beginning, so that Zod can tunnel to Ion.
I think it would take longer to materialize the helmet and be able to use it, whilst protecting against the glass assault.

[Kara Zor El]

I took issue with this too.

Kara has Black Adam moving at the same speed as the asteroid that killed all the dinosaurs. I believe that's from a recent issue of 52 where the mad scientists have a force field that's supposed to protect them from an asteroid strike (they specifcally mention like the one that killed the dinosaurs). But in that issue you see Egg Fu counting down "He is five hundred miles away! Three hundred... One hundred..." And then Adam breaks through. So Adam had to back up hundreds of miles away and charge at the force field to reach that speed. There's no way Adam can reach that speed here because he only started 100 yards away.

Yards. Not miles.

And Kara also has Adam picking things up and throwing them on his way, that that would naturally slow him down.

No one can go from zero to lightspeed... unless they are actually made out of light. Even Flash has to build up speed to reach that velocity.

He was moving at a speed and mass greater than the asteroid that killed the dinosours in 52. Here he is only matching it, and asteroids don't travel at anything like the speed of light. It's about mass. Black Adam has the power of seven gods. That's gotta hurt a novice like Captain Marvel 3, if they clash at any speed.

[Atom_basher]

The glass was a diversion. So they had to put up Shields and so Ion would stay grounded. My start totally deals with them hiding behind the shield at the beginning, so that Zod can tunnel to Ion.
I think it would take longer to materialize the helmet and be able to use it, whilst protecting against the glass assault.

Youre underestimating ion here, heck before he was even at ion levels he overwhelmed alan scott with THOUSANDS of constructs at once in a fight, a shield (with light helping with) and a helmet is far from over taxing his abilities.

He was moving at a speed and mass greater than the asteroid that killed the dinosours in 52. Here he is only matching it, and asteroids don't travel at anything like the speed of light. It's about mass. Black Adam has the power of seven gods. That's gotta hurt a novice like Captain Marvel 3, if they clash at any speed.


CM3 is far from a novice, he may lack adams experience, but he isnt trying to fight him, he is bracing and defending with a n unbreakable shield, remember CM3 has the full power of shazam when no others are tapping it. and since no others are using it at the current time he is just as powerful as adam

[Atom_basher]

and upon deeply thinking about this, i realized why the opening glass slavo just wouldn't work.

The glass from the buildings would have to be DIRECTLY infront of our teams for it to even path our way, i doubt that Zods, breath can magically take glass thats on the sides of the battle field and make it magically go curve then go straight right for my team, not to mention breath when its exhaled doesn't go straight, it expands (as its been illustrated in the comics) so the glass wouldn't go straight it would scatter outwards, TOTALLY missing my team

[Kara Zor El]

Youre underestimating ion here, heck before he was even at ion levels he overwhelmed alan scott with THOUSANDS of constructs at once in a fight, a shield (with light helping with) and a helmet is far from over taxing his abilities.




CM3 is far from a novice, he may lack adams experience, but he isnt trying to fight him, he is bracing and defending with a n unbreakable shield, remember CM3 has the full power of shazam when no others are tapping it. and since no others are using it at the current time he is just as powerful as adam

Adam now has the power of 7 Gods, Captain Marvel only has the power of 6. I'd say at the moment Adam is stronger than Superman.

As for the helmet, it's a thing that hasn't come from his imagination but from a mother ox. He'd need a bit of time to work it properly, whilst at the same time defending against the glass and Zod's Earthquake effect on the ground as he tunnels.

[Atom_basher]

Adam now has the power of 7 Gods, Captain Marvel only has the power of 6. I'd say at the moment Adam is stronger than Superman.

As for the helmet, it's a thing that hasn't come from his imagination but from a mother ox. He'd need a bit of time to work it properly, whilst at the same time defending against the glass and Zod's Earthquake effect on the ground as he tunnels.

i dont see why he would need time to work it properly when the motherbox is giving him everything he needs to know. Kyle rayner has defended against planet busting attacks, im sorry but glass and earthquake effects are doing squat to him, not to mention dr light (who drained a green lantern of all its energy) is also shielding. not to mention i dont even think the glass would reach its destination

[Kara Zor El]

and upon deeply thinking about this, i realized why the opening glass slavo just wouldn't work.

The glass from the buildings would have to be DIRECTLY in front of our teams for it to even path our way, i doubt that Zods, breath can magically take glass thats on the sides of the battle field and make it magically go curve then go straight right for my team, not to mention breath when its exhaled doesn't go straight, it expands (as its been illustrated in the comics) so the glass wouldn't go straight it would scatter outwards, TOTALLY missing my team

The glass would act like there has been a huge explosion, pressure would shoot it out central and then Ultraman would blow it at your team. There would be so much of it that it would defiantly go over your team, in the corridor of the buildings. The corridor is the defining factor of a focused assault.

Off out debate later.:)

[Atom_basher]

The glass would act like there has been a huge explosion, pressure would shoot it out central and then Ultraman would blow it at your team. There would be so much of it that it would defiantly go over your team, in the corridor of the buildings. The corridor is the defining factor of a focused assault.

Off out debate later.:)

how could Adam make a clap so powerful and not knock out batman and Brain an Mallah, that a little something i bet u didn't think of. would'nt a shock wave powerful enough to shatter glass as if its been exploded do massive damage to batman who is right next to him?

and as far as using his breath to propel it foward that wouldnt work, breath expands, and that means the glass would go everywhere BUT straight

[Jessica Drew]

Though the score now reads 9-8 in favor of Atom_basher, the score is actually tied, because one of the voters for A_b has a post count of 1. Just had to point that out.

Oh--great battle you two! Good job creatively without overtaxing any of your individual characters.

[Anthony]

Great use of Animal Man. I'm throughly impressed.

[Atom_basher]

Great use of Animal Man. I'm throughly impressed.

thank you very much :)

edit: HOLLLLLLLLLY COW im winning?

[Kara Zor El]

how could Adam make a clap so powerful and not knock out batman and Brain an Mallah, that a little something i bet u didn't think of. would'nt a shock wave powerful enough to shatter glass as if its been exploded do massive damage to batman who is right next to him?

and as far as using his breath to propel it foward that wouldnt work, breath expands, and that means the glass would go everywhere BUT straight

Batman and Malllah are behind Ultraman and Adam, so they are protected from the shockwave by there bodies.

And if you purse your lips you can most certainly focus your breath, Lots of glass would still miss and lots would hit but the point is that Ion went into defensive moede whether I did the glass thing or not. And that made Zod's move possible. The glass would have been a major distraction whether it hit them or not. It would have been incredile.
Anyway, looks like you won this one. Congrats, it was a great strat.

[Atom_basher]

Batman and Malllah are behind Ultraman and Adam, so they are protected from the shockwave by there bodies.

And if you purse your lips you can most certainly focus your breath, Lots of glass would still miss and lots would hit but the point is that Ion went into defensive moede whether I did the glass thing or not. And that made Zod's move possible. The glass would have been a major distraction whether it hit them or not. It would have been incredile.
Anyway, looks like you won this one. Congrats, it was a great strat.

i dont think being behind adam would matter, as sound and thunderclap effects are omni-directional, so the shock would undoubtedly hit those 2, and air expands no matter how u try and control it. u can make breath make a straight stream

[Kara Zor El]

i dont think being behind adam would matter, as sound and thunderclap effects are omni-directional, so the shock would undoubtedly hit those 2, and air expands no matter how u try and control it. u can make breath make a straight stream

You're wrong there Atom. thousands of soldiers and civilians have been saved from explosions by others being in direct line of the blast, and these bodies are super dense.

We are talking super breath here not normal breath and as I've said it would go in the direction of your team, and that's enough.

[Atom_basher]

You're wrong there Atom. thousands of soldiers and civilians have been saved from explosions by others being in direct line of the blast, and these bodies are super dense.

We are talking super breath here not normal breath and as I've said it would go in the direction of your team, and that's enough.

but blasts of napalm or heat are different than a sonic boom, adams body (which is a normal humans size) will NOT act to stop the shockwave

and just because its super breath doesn't mean it magically doesn't adhere to normal laws of physics and what not, whenever superman has used his ice breath it expands

[Kara Zor El]

but blasts of napalm or heat are different than a sonic boom, adams body (which is a normal humans size) will NOT act to stop the shockwave

and just because its super breath doesn't mean it magically doesn't adhere to normal laws of physics and what not, whenever superman has used his ice breath it expands

All bomb blasts have shock waves.

And the glass would be blown down the corridor of the street there would be so much of it. Even if none hits them, the distraction would be very real. It's only a distraction to get Zod to Ion. And Ion is busy sheilding and trying on his new helmet, the next thing he knows he's pulled down into a tunnel by Zod.

[Kara Zor El]

You won Atom Basher. Congratulations. Some folks who's games are up right now. Froggy, Joe Acro for instance didn't vote. What's the reason guys? I take it you want uys to vote on your game?

[Atom_basher]

You won Atom Basher. Congratulations. Some folks who's games are up right now. Froggy, Joe Acro for instance didn't vote. What's the reason guys? I take it you want uys to vote on your game?

thank you, in all honesty i thought for SURE you were going to win, your strategy was really great, no BS. good luck on your next match

[K'Nort]

Gus and I were discussing our vote when the poll closed. I was off by about 15 minutes apparently. But we were going to go with Atom Basher. (Whom I keep accidentally calling Atom Smasher.)

A lot of the same reasons as the others. The glass idea was clever but didn't sound like it would work that well in practice, some of the timing didn't really add up, the Krypto idea was just plain cool. Gus likes mother boxes too. And we were both squicked out by the amount of gore in the first strategy. There are certainly no rules about whether these are fights to the bloody death or just to render the other team immobile. It's just personal preferences.

[Jessica Drew]

Congratulations to Atom_basher in a very close win.

[Kara Zor El]

Gus and I were discussing our vote when the poll closed. I was off by about 15 minutes apparently. But we were going to go with Atom Basher. (Whom I keep accidentally calling Atom Smasher.)

A lot of the same reasons as the others. The glass idea was clever but didn't sound like it would work that well in practice, some of the timing didn't really add up, the Krypto idea was just plain cool. Gus likes mother boxes too. And we were both squicked out by the amount of gore in the first strategy. There are certainly no rules about whether these are fights to the bloody death or just to render the other team immobile. It's just personal preferences.

What can I say, I'm a girl who loves gore!!!

[Kara Zor El]

thank you, in all honesty i thought for SURE you were going to win, your strategy was really great, no BS. good luck on your next match

I think we both had really good strats if I say so myself. And you thoroughly deserve your win. I enjoyed battling you and the debates we had were full of energy. You picked your team well and really put them through their paces. I'd buy you a drink but you'll just have to pour one yourself and imagine its off me.:D

[Atom_basher]

I think we both had really good strats if I say so myself. And you thoroughly deserve your win. I enjoyed battling you and the debates we had were full of energy. You picked your team well and really put them through their paces. I'd buy you a drink but you'll just have to pour one yourself and imagine its off me.:D

you also picked a really good team, when i first saw u drafting i was like, wow Kara is insane, but when i sat down and thought about it i was like "holy crap, that team is gonna be tough)

[Froggy]

You won Atom Basher. Congratulations. Some folks who's games are up right now. Froggy, Joe Acro for instance didn't vote. What's the reason guys? I take it you want uys to vote on your game?

I was busy at the moment. Had to take care of a family problem involving plumbing........awkward situation