YouTube vs. Wikipedia

[OverMaster]

Khazan Bloodlust is on.

Who wins?

[Gorthaur]

YouTube wins, but all records of the fight get afterwards mysteriously edited to indicate the opposite outcome.

[Green Goblin]

I agree with you about that

[Green Goblin]

I agree with you about that

[Vakanai]

Wikipedia.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Cvu-tan.png

[Caswin]

If they were seriously trying to wreck each other? Dang, this could be a good fight. Although it could also tear the Internet apart like so many gang wars.

I'm gonna have to give this one some thought...

[Rei-Kai]

Youtube wins for having this -> It's over 9000!!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T53m2zSWk8o)

And then fanmade Over 9000! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI)

[Ghost]

Pre-Google YouTube manhandles Wikipedia. In it's current state, though, I'm not too sure.

[Caswin]

Pre-Google YouTube manhandles Wikipedia. In it's current state, though, I'm not too sure.Za? Doesn't Google itself predate Youtube? (Did you mean Google Video?)

[Gladiaria_Alata]

Pre-Google YouTube manhandles Wikipedia. In it's current state, though, I'm not too sure.

What did Google do to Youtube? :confused:

[kain5252]

What did Google do to Youtube? :confused:

Im afraid they butchered YouTube. Took off a bunch of anime and etc.

[Gladiaria_Alata]

They're the one that keep removing things, and banning people who try to put them back on? :mad:

[Guy1]

They're the one that keep removing things, and banning people who try to put them back on? :mad:

More or less yeah.

[Caswin]

Well, in a lot of cases, you can hardly blame them. Pirating's illegal. (Not that that covers stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series.)

[Guy1]

Well, in a lot of cases, you can hardly blame them. Pirating's illegal. (Not that that covers stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series.)

Eh, I'm not complaining. Allot of the stuff I like is still on, and I can always buy it on Ebay or something.

[Nik Hasta]

When I looked at this topic I thought it said "You vs Wikipedia,"

I can take a cyberspace Encyclopedia any day.

[Chevan]

Anonymous Wikipedia users will send takedown notices to all of Youtube's videos. At the same time, all of Wikipedia's articles will enter a semi-locked status.

Youtube has no content and can't fight back; Wikipedia wins.



What did Google do to Youtube? :confused:

In a nutshell; Google covered its ass so nobody could sue them. They starting bowing to DMCA notices by taking down copyright (whether they were actually violations or not). Unfortunately, that included all the full anime and full TV show episodes.

[Darth Joker]

Pre-Google YouTube manhandles Wikipedia. In it's current state, though, I'm not too sure.

Agreed. Pre-Google YouTube wins on the basis of LittleKuriboh alone.

[Caswin]

Anonymous Wikipedia users will send takedown notices to all of Youtube's videos...

Youtube has no content and can't fight back.Dang. If it's really that bad - as in, even if they're not breaking any laws - I guess that's it.

[K.O.V.G]

Youtube wins in popularity

Wiki wins in pure information

I'm gonna go with Wiki it has alot of stuff youtube is losing videos by the day.

[Chevan]

Dang. If it's really that bad - as in, even if they're not breaking any laws - I guess that's it.

There is a precedent for DMCA takedown notices working even when you don't have the copyright to the material (http://www.boingboing.net/2007/03/30/uri_geller_misusing_.html).


Agreed. Pre-Google YouTube wins on the basis of LittleKuriboh alone.

Huh? LittleKuriboh is still around, and he's still making his parodies.

[sun tzu]

Awesome as YouTube is, Wikipedia ought not be underestimated. Truly a clash of the titans...

[Super Macho Man]

Which one features a bunch of lames who can't (and in many cases, who know that they can't) dance, stinking up a camera with their "skills"?

[Tommy]

Youtube used to give users access to videos that you simply could not get anyplace else. TV shows that ran one season, cartoons left in animation limbo, anime not released in the US, BBC programs unavailable.

Now, sadly, it is just stupid videos of stupid people.

Wikipedia for the win.

[K.O.V.G]

Youtube used to give users access to videos that you simply could not get anyplace else. TV shows that ran one season, cartoons left in animation limbo, anime not released in the US, BBC programs unavailable.

Now, sadly, it is just stupid videos of stupid people.

Wikipedia for the win.

I totally Agree.

[Caswin]

Youtube used to give users access to videos that you simply could not get anyplace else. TV shows that ran one season, cartoons left in animation limbo, anime not released in the US, BBC programs unavailable.

Now, sadly, it is just stupid videos of stupid people.Personally, I blame the people who did upload episodes of Batman, Frasier, entire on-the-market movies, and whatnot.

Is it wrong that a police state sometimes seems like a good idea to me?

(EDIT: In a very technical sense... y'know what, forget it.)

[Ant Crown]

Youtube does however provide those of us who are ignorant of great series like Kamen Rider and Super Sentai( Seriously I never knew the Awe and Wonder of the Badassry of Faiz)

[Tommy]

Personally, I blame the people who did upload episodes of Batman, Frasier, entire on-the-market movies, and whatnot.

Is it wrong that a police state sometimes seems like a good idea to me?

I really don't have a problem with them taking down episodes of Frasier, Batman or anything else that you can get elsewhere.

What I get really miffed at is when they take down something like the 2002 He-Man series which is not now, nor will probably ever be available on DVD. Seriously... if you are not releasing a DVD of it and it is not on the air anywhere... why not leave it up and let people enjoy it?

[Guy1]

Youtube does however provide those of us who are ignorant of great series like Kamen Rider and Super Sentai( Seriously I never knew the Awe and Wonder of the Badassry of Faiz)

Seconded, You Tube is what enabled me to get into Super Sentai and later Kamen Rider and Ultraman in the first place.

[Erebus]

Youtube used to give users access to videos that you simply could not get anyplace else. TV shows that ran one season, cartoons left in animation limbo, anime not released in the US, BBC programs unavailable.

Best site ever (alluc.org) (for everything you talked about)

[Caswin]

What I get really miffed at is when they take down something like the 2002 He-Man series which is not now, nor will probably ever be available on DVD. Seriously... if you are not releasing a DVD of it and it is not on the air anywhere... why not leave it up and let people enjoy it?Error on the side of lawkeeping. There's just so much copyrighted stuff taken off of store-bought DVDs and such up there that, due to their goal of getting it all down, shows that are indeed impossible to get any other way - like He-Man - get thrown out with the bathwater, as it were.

You know what's really dumb? Buena Vista. Apparently, one of the main reasons they've given for not releasing X-Men and stuff on DVD is because there's so much pirating going on... never mind that there probably wouldn't be nearly as much if there was actually another way.

[Caswin]

Best site ever (alluc.org) (for everything you talked about)...aaaand everything else. The Last Mimzy, anyone?

Their day is coming. I will not weep.

EDIT: It's four years later and I'm still waiting

[Tommy]

never mind that there probably wouldn't be nearly as much if there was actually another way.

I know I hate watching TV on the computer. And yet for some stuff, there is just no other way...

[The Dog]

Youtube used to be the only place to see a shitload of Celebrity Deathmatch fights from the original (and far better) show. Then they all got taken down, so now the only time I can see ANY fights from the original show is hoping they might show one or two episodes on MTV2 at 3 or 4 in the morning.

[Caswin]

THIS VIDEO IS PURELY FAN-MADE AND IS IN NO WAY ASSOCIATED WITH THE MUSICAL ARTIST OR ANIME COMPANY IN ANY WAY

This was under a piece of Mask of the Phantasm.

Wunnadese days, Alice... POW! to the moon!

[KamenRaida]

Youtube does however provide those of us who are ignorant of great series like Kamen Rider and Super Sentai( Seriously I never knew the Awe and Wonder of the Badassry of Faiz)

Hrmph, to be honest Faiz isn't that great... In fact, I'd pretty much that it sucks.... Not to say that any of the recent Rider series were any better.... Especially not that atrocity Kabuto :mad:

Which in that case brings the point that while Youtube does provide actual forms of entertainment, it has been responsible for the spread of idiodicy, as well as the encouragement of idiodicy....

Yes, Wikipedia does get its information horribly wrong at times, but its okay for the most part. Wikipedia wins this...

[Darth Joker]

Personally, I blame the people who did upload episodes of Batman, Frasier, entire on-the-market movies, and whatnot.

Is it wrong that a police state sometimes seems like a good idea to me?

In my viewpoint, if you could watch something for free on cable TV five or more years ago, why shouldn't you be able to watch that same material for free on YouTube today?

Serious fans with enough disposable income are going to buy DVD collections of old animated material, and various TV shows, anyway - for example, I've watched much He-Man/She-Ra related material on YouTube, but I also bought most of the DVDs related to those two characters.

People who aren't serious fans of the show, and/or who lack disposable incomes, aren't going to be buying those DVD collections anyway.

YouTube is all about access, and being able to express yourself. Since it's open to everyone with an internet connection - regardless of their level of creativity and technical skill - you will get a lot of awful videos on the 'expression' end of things, but some great gems can be unearthed.

The access part - the much more important part, in my view - has been greatly diminished.

I really think that North America would be far better off if we took the same approach to copyrights that the Japanese do. Manga sales aren't suffering in Japan because of their lax copyright laws - in fact, Manga sales are fine.

However, what Japan gives is loads and loads of content and material - Japan's approach to copyrights encourages creativity, and imagination, and parody.

Our's crushes parody, as per the situation between YouTube and LittleKuriboh.

[Caswin]

People who aren't serious fans of the show, and/or who lack disposable incomes, aren't going to be buying those DVD collections anyway.You could say the same for, oh, pretty much any movie in theaters. Let's say Meet the Robinsons, which I plan to see this weekend. Anything wrong, by your estimation, with pirating it?

I really think that North America would be far better off if we took the same approach to copyrights that the Japanese do. Manga sales aren't suffering in Japan because of their lax copyright laws - in fact, Manga sales are fine.Yes, but are they allowed to photocopy entire books a bunch of times, climb on top of a small store, shout "HADOKEN!" and throw them down?

You can't deny that it'd be creative...

[Darth Joker]

You could say the same for, oh, pretty much any movie in theaters. Let's say Meet the Robinsons, which I plan to see this weekend. Anything wrong, by your estimation, with pirating it?

There's a difference here though. When a movie comes out in theaters, you have to pay to go and watch it there. When the movie comes out, it's pay per view (essentially).

Cartoons like He-Man, She-Ra, Captain Planet, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, the various Transformers shows, the various TMNT shows, etc..., etc... were all available *at the very moment that they first came out* to be watched FOR FREE on cable TV (in Canada, anyway).

I mean... for crying out loud... back in the VCR days, we would tape episodes on VCR tapes for personal enjoyment, and to enjoy re-watching certain episodes with our friends. In my view, many of the companies who are attacking YouTube today would be like companies back in the 80s and early 90s suggesting that there is something illegal or wrong about us taping content available for free on cable TV, and then sharing it amongst ourselves.

Shows that have always only been available on speciality stations that you have to pay to get... movie material... and that sort of stuff... PPV specials... yes, I think that companies have a right to expect YouTube to not show that.

For example, I think that the WWE has every right to request YouTube to immediately remove any Wrestlemania material put up in the hours after the end of Wrestlemania... because you had to buy Wrestlemania to see it in the first place before the internet came along.

Also, I have an acquaintance who pirated Batman Begins off the internet before it even hit theaters. I didn't watch his pirated material - I told him that what he was doing seemed very... shady, to me... and that this is no way to support the Batman franchise. I never watched his pirated film.


Yes, but are they allowed to photocopy entire books a bunch of times, climb on top of a small store, shout "HADOKEN!" and throw them down?

You can't deny that it'd be creative...

YouTube does have a problem with the same stuff showing up over, and over, and over, and over again... and that is annoying, when you're sifting through 'Batman' or 'Superman' searches looking for something OTHER THAN the duplicated material. I don't know how they can crack down on that, but they should.

[Caswin]

Cartoons like He-Man, She-Ra, Captain Planet, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, the various Transformers shows, the various TMNT shows, etc..., etc... were all available *at the very moment that they first came out* to be watched FOR FREE on cable TV (in Canada, anyway).Two words (even if you might be a bit tired of hearing them): Intellectual property. Like movies, they were originally released with the intent of profiting off of them, and are now being released on DVD with that same intent.

I mean... for crying out loud... back in the VCR days, we would tape episodes on VCR tapes for personal enjoyment, and to enjoy re-watching certain episodes with our friends. In my view, many of the companies who are attacking YouTube today would be like companies back in the 80s and early 90s suggesting that there is something illegal or wrong about us taping content available for free on cable TV, and then sharing it amongst ourselves.It's similar, no doubt, but it's not the same. Was there any other way, back in the day, to catch the episodes you loved again? I'm guessing no. Want to see it again? More power to you (I... have... THE - *shot*). Now? In many (if not enough) cases, there's a feasible alternative in the form of the wonderful thing known as DVD collections. Now that they are in fact legally available from the creators, it's another matter altogether.

Also, I have an acquaintance who pirated Batman Begins off the internet before it even hit theaters. I didn't watch his pirated material - I told him that what he was doing seemed very... shady, to me... and that this is no way to support the Batman franchise. I never watched his pirated film.Huzzah. Fight the power.

And now I'd kind of like to turn this puppy around and get back to the rumble. If you feel like continuing the debate, eh, my box is open.

[Chevan]

I mean... for crying out loud... back in the VCR days, we would tape episodes on VCR tapes for personal enjoyment, and to enjoy re-watching certain episodes with our friends. In my view, many of the companies who are attacking YouTube today would be like companies back in the 80s and early 90s suggesting that there is something illegal or wrong about us taping content available for free on cable TV, and then sharing it amongst ourselves.


Unless cable TV is different where you are, it's certainly not free. TV shows on cable TV exist as an incentive to buy the service, and the cable companies get the TV shows by licensing them from the companies that own the distribution rights for the show.

Just because there's another link in the chain between you and the production company doesn't mean that you're getting the show for free or that the production company isn't profiting from you watching the show.

[Tokikun]

Anonymous Wikipedia users will send takedown notices to all of Youtube's videos. At the same time, all of Wikipedia's articles will enter a semi-locked status.

Youtube has no content and can't fight back; Wikipedia wins.Whos to say Youtube doesnt nominate all Wiki articles for deletion? You also have to be a registered user before you can request that a video be taken down or use any other youtube service other than watch videos, whereas Wikipedia's editing services are allowed to anyone and everyone other than the occasional article that is locked to unregistered users.

Youtube users can destroy is Wikipedis IS: the articles. They can totally bombard Wiki with tons of false info, completely vandalize articles, and replace entire articles with things like "ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!" or "Wikipedia suck! Har Har!" And if Wiki tries to protect itself by locking article, Youtubers can simply login to Wiki and continue vandalizing. But what can Wiki users do to Youtube? Leave behind nasty comments for videos? Lol. Wiki users cannot destroy what Youtube is, which is the videos. They can send as many takedown notices as they want, but only videos that need to be taken down will get taken down, and Youtube will still have thousands of videos. Just as Youtube can nominate every Wiki article for deletion, and only have success with appropriate articles. But whether or not articles get taken down, Youtubers can still vandalize the hell out of Wiki.

Youtube in a curbstomp.

[Caswin]

Whos to say Youtube doesnt nominate all Wiki articles for deletion?Deleting an article on Wikipedia takes longer. In recent news, "Series finales" took about a week, and that was with a unanimous "delete" consensus. I was one of the voters. (But guess who copy-and-pasted it all first? ;))

And if Wiki tries to protect itself by locking article, Youtubers can simply login to Wiki and continue vandalizing.Assuming they're - quoth the "semi-protected" message - established users. They would be a formidable force, no doubt, but not quite the legion you seem to be describing.

Wiki users cannot destroy what Youtube is, which is the videos. They can send as many takedown notices as they want, but only videos that need to be taken down will get taken downTell that to LittleKuriboh.

[Ant Crown]

Hrmph, to be honest Faiz isn't that great... In fact, I'd pretty much that it sucks.... Not to say that any of the recent Rider series were any better.... Especially not that atrocity Kabuto :mad:


You take that back about Faiz.:evilangry

[KamenRaida]

You take that back about Faiz.:evilangry

Make me :p

[Chevan]

You also have to be a registered user before you can request that a video be taken down

No you don't. All it takes is a single DMCA takedown notice emailed to Youtube's staff.

That's why I linked to the news story I did; I was providing precedent for someone taking down a video when they didn't have the right to.

[MKTerra]

Two words (even if you might be a bit tired of hearing them): Intellectual property.Just say "copyright," it's more accurate / less misleading. (In that copyright, patent, trademark, and property law all work differently, for good reasons.)

[Nefarius]

wikipedia wins with a little help from Viacom.

[Froggy]

youtube wins, for having reading rainbow's theme song;//

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGhfI_NwcA

[maczero]

I want YouTube to lose. I've lost all faith in humanity after reading viewer comments on YouTube. The random racist, homophobic and generally stupid remarks make me weep for the future.

[Darth Joker]

I want YouTube to lose. I've lost all faith in humanity after reading viewer comments on YouTube. The random racist, homophobic and generally stupid remarks make me weep for the future.

The extremely casual, and frequent, use of the term 'f--' or 'f-----', among YouTube viewer comments never ceases to blow me away.

Not only that, but the stupidiy (and poor attitude, and spelling) of many YouTube veiwer commenters - across all beliefs, and political viewpoints - also amazes me.

[Ant Crown]

Make me :p

I Call upon the powers of Badassry to Send you to your grave from the Blaster Smash Kick!

[KamenRaida]

I Call upon the powers of Badassry to Send you to your grave from the Blaster Smash Kick!

Bah! A mere kick! The Raida mocks your futile attempts at destruction.

To quote a most Cunning And Divine General:

You Do Realize Of Course, This Means War

Your life is forfeit as I utilize the Greatest of Odin's abilities.....

THE TELEPORTATION-SPAM BITCH-SLAP!!!!!!

......What? I think Bitch Slaps hurt :o