Kingdom Come-itization: Nightwing Fan's Opinions (Spoilers)

[Slumber Hulk]

With Arsenal officially becoming Red Arrow and with Red Robin appearing in adverts...

What are the opinions of the Nightwing fans to his seemingly immanent transformation into Red Robin?

I for one love Kingdom Come and think Red Robin is a cool idea. When Dick when from Robin to Nightwing I knew he wasn't going to be a straight legacy character. But this move to me seems to give more cred back to the Bat and his Robin past.

Opinions?

[Kara Zor El]

Do we know for sure it's Dick and not Jason, who becomes Red Robin?

It would be a cool idea, either way.

But maybe it's the Earth 2 Dick for some reason.

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

I believe Dan Didio let it slip at a convention that Red Robin will be Jason Todd.

Here's the original article. (http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/DC/DCU.html)

[livin_target]

Theres a few rumours that the kingdom come-verse will be part of the multiverse. Other rumours point to it being jason who becomes red robin. I personally don't think we'll see Dick donning the costume, seeing as how they made a big thing about him moving on from robin and establishing his own name as nightwing in IC but I'm not too bothered either way: on the one hand, if Dick becomes Red Robin then it may show that his relationship with Bruce is improving. On the other hand it could be argued that he'd be moving back into Bruce's shadow.

EDIT: sorry, just read the above post, looks like its jason todd

[Slumber Hulk]

Sounds like a fake leak to me. I'll believe it when I see it. Jason Todd becoming Nightwing when Dick moves on to Red Robin is ok with me. But for some reason I don't like Jason as Red Robin.

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

The site is fairly reputable and Didio hasn't said anything in opposition so far. It might not be the best idea, but don't be surprised when it happens.

[Captain Jim]

But wasn't that when he also said Barry Allen would be returning in that story and later said he was wrong?

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

But wasn't that when he also said Barry Allen would be returning in that story and later said he was wrong?

Yes, but he hasn't refuted the other bit yet. I'm just going on the most current info we've been given.

[Rattlehead]

I love Kingdom Come as much as the next guy, but I do feel it's a bit silly of DC to be bending over backwards trying to make an Elseworlds tale part of continuity.

[Buried Alien]

I love Kingdom Come as much as the next guy, but I do feel it's a bit silly of DC to be bending over backwards trying to make an Elseworlds tale part of continuity.

That's my position as well. As cool as KINGDOM COME is, I don't think it's wise to have a predetermined future for the main continuity of the DC Universe. That limits the possibilities.

If the KINGDOM COME future is part of a new multiverse scheme, however, and will not unduly commit the future of the mainstream DCU, then I'm all for it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[captain_unimpressive]

I thought that one of the features of "New Earth" was that it had some other bits from other universes--Power Girl and the like. Perhaps Earth-KC (which was supposed to be a future for that particular Elseworld, it might make sense that some elements are being introduced to the DCU's future.
Kingdom Come isn't DC's exact future. Although I suppose that if they can kill off Vic Sage and Ralph Dibny, they can kill the Joker.

[Captain Jim]

Earth-KC

Not to be confused with Earth-KFC, where Col. Sanders rules. :D ;)

[Ring Slinger]

So what's the deal with Red Robin? Is DC trying to bring him into current continuity from Kingdom Come (much like how Roy Harper is now Red Arrow)? I just re-noticed one the promos for the big upcoming cosmic event that DC is pushing for this year and saw Red Robin (at first glance, I assumed it was Dr. Mid-Nite). Is Dick going to become Red Robin and Jason the new Nightwing? Vice versa?

[SpaceBooger]

I read somewhere that Jason was going to be Red Robin. If you look a the teasers for WWIII there is an image of Jason in the Bat Cave looking at his old Robin costume and the Red Hood one...

[Ring Slinger]

I just saw there was another thread on this topic-- can the moderator merge us? My mistake.

[Ring Slinger]

In the new JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA series, there's a moment when the new Starman (who is mentally unstable) mentions that he comes from a place that was "blown to Kingdom Come" and behind him is some of Ross's painting work of the culminating battle in KC #4. The character also continually makes references to "the coming storm."

[Lauren_Guerra]

There is no way that I want to see Nightwing take up the mantle of Red Robin. If anything that would seem as a step backwards from him wanting to be his own man. I dont even want to see Jason Todd as Red Robin even tho since this is Jason Todd he will probably have a new identity later on anyway so it really doesnt matter much to me but no way have Grayson with the Mantle.

[phantom1592]

Bahh, Everyones wrong.

TIM is going to be Red robin. Teen Titans hinted at him becoming more like batman. Red Robin is the cross between the two. Besides. How is Dick supposed to become a robin, when there is ALREADY a robin. Talk about kicking a guy. Oh yeah... Your Robin... But I'm RED Robin. Y'know... the REAL Robin.


Nope Gotta be Tim.

[phantom1592]

Actually I really think its Jason.

HE's the one who wants to be remembered as Robin. He's downright got a complex about it. He'd also have no problem kicking Tim out of the Way for the "honor" of being Robin.

He also has NO idea who he wants to be right now "costume-wise"

Though I could see him wearing kind of a costume like that with the black in it and calling himself "Dark Robin" or something.

[colossus34]

JASON TODD AS RED ROBIN WILL FAIL!! Yet another Grayson identity is handed to Jason Todd in another misguided attempt to have some of Dick Grayson's coolness rub off on Jason Todd... and it just ain't gonna happen no matter how much of a hard on certain guys at DC have for the character.

All this does is yet again cheapen Grayson's legacy. Enough is enough! It's clear now that they're desperate for Jason to gain just a smidgen of Dick's audience, thus shoving him into every costume Dick ever wore. What pisses me off is that as far as I'm concerened he's stained the majestic Red robin persona that Ross created. It was a beautiful elseworld idea thats turned into a lame plot twist so that Jason Todd can rub off some of NW's fans.

Red Robin was supposed to be Ross's majestic interpratation of an elder, wiser Dick Grayson. A man who was drawn back to create a NEW identity that honered his past and marked his future. It was a beautiful idea in elseworld that's being turned into Didiot and company's sad attempt to give Jason Todd some of Grayson's hard earned legacy because he isn't worthy to get one on his own. He doesn't have the character merit, so they keep giving him NW's costumes, plots, identities and leagcy.

Lets be serious people: Jason Todd is an utter fan joke right. Seriously, he was risen from the grave to be turned into NOTHING but Dick Grayson's evil, sadistic doopleganger who copies everything Dick has done and rides on Grayson's success like a leech.

[mastaflan]

Buck Kingdom come....I don't care about that being the future of DC. JAson Todd Coming Back is cool as long as he remains a well written heel.

[TheBatGotHim]

I would really hate it if Jason was Red Robin. Dick or Tim? I'm all for it. :cool:

[Rattlehead]

I feel that Jason Todd has massive potential as a villian in the Batman universe. Maybe him trying to become the Red Robin leads to him having a massive fall from relative grace, and he blames it all on Batman and keeps coming back to enact revenge on his mentor. But, I didn't hate Jason when he was Robin like so many others did.

[Sizzle]

Jason needs to become the Red Coffin. He should be dead, dead, dead. He's done enough that he can't be a hero in Batman's world anymore.

DC needs to stop punking out Nightwing and let him be his own man. They don't seem to have a problem letting Roy be a great archer like Ollie.

[Rattlehead]

So if Red Robin is going to fit into the Kingdom Come continuity, it has to be Dick Grayson. In the character bios in the back of the KC tpb, it specifically says that Red Robin is in fact Dick Grayson once again following in his mentor's footsteps.

[colossus34]

So if Red Robin is going to fit into the Kingdom Come continuity, it has to be Dick Grayson. In the character bios in the back of the KC tpb, it specifically says that Red Robin is in fact Dick Grayson once again following in his mentor's footsteps.

That is exactly how i see it. Red Robin could only be Dick Grayson, its a beautiful elseworld tale about an elder, wiser Grayson returning to create a NEW identity that honered his past. Of course, Didiot and company now feels like mauling its legacy in a pathetic attempt to give Jason Todd some of Grayson's hard earned legacy because he isn't worthy to get one on his own. He doesn't have the character merit, so they keep giving him NW's costumes, plots, identities and leagcy.

Here's a message for DC: No matter how hard you try to make Jason cool, give him Nightwing's costume, give him Grayson's respected elseworld identities just so he can gleen a little respect--its not working. Jason Todd failed as Robin, failed as a wanna be Nightwing and will fail to gain any more Grayson fans as Red Robin. No matter how hard you try he's not getting any better.

[Captain Jim]

Y'know, the first time I saw the reference to "Didiot" I thought it was clever--for about ten seconds. I'm not overly fond of the man either, but since we have a standing "no insult" policy at CBR, that includes him too. So no more use of that term, please.