anyone read the new detective (#831) (spoilers)

[IamtheRock3]

It was OK

but they advertise the book as a big revelation to Harely pass, and that Dini ask people not to do anything big with Harely cause he wanted to reveal it


And it was.....


Wesker was nice to her one day


Really that its, man feel jipped

but all alone good story. Although Harely looked unsexy the way they drew her. Which odd cause the artist and ok artist, and harely easy to draw hot. So dont know what happen

[MAK15]

I liked it enough...I think the big reveal was that Harley's now a free woman, and can turn up anywhere in the DCU.

[pringlesman]

I liked it enough...I think the big reveal was that Harley's now a free woman, and can turn up anywhere in the DCU.

Not only that but it seemed it was an actual attempt at going legit apposed to her faking her way through it.

[NMoline]

Being a Harley fan I reallye enjoyed this. While the revelation may be that Harley was a free woman I think the bigger revelation is that she is trending towards hero. That is a Harley I would like to see written more about. Also, just want to say Dini has done a great job with this series clearly differentiating it from Batman.

[sschroeder]

It was OK

Please consider putting the name of comic and issue number (Detective Comics # 831) somewhere in the first post. What good is "anyone read the new detective" down the line? There are hundreds of issues of this comic, and a new one pretty much every month.



Anyway, I don't usually read Detective, but I gave it a try this month for Dini + Harley. I was intrigued by Harley's attitude and actions in this story, and it might be interesting to find out what's next for her, if she keeps going the way she does here.

[DonC]

I really liked this issue. It was fun. Remember when comics were fun? That's what this was like. And I dig the idea of Harley going straight and maybe turing hero (for a little while, anyway). I'm hoping her new-found self esteem isn't destroyed the next time she meets the Joker. This is good character development, I want it to stick for as long as possible.

[Jack Zodiac]

Being a Harley fan I reallye enjoyed this. While the revelation may be that Harley was a free woman I think the bigger revelation is that she is trending towards hero. That is a Harley I would like to see written more about. Also, just want to say Dini has done a great job with this series clearly differentiating it from Batman.

Gail's mentioned that Harley's next in line to join the Secret Six. So, there's that.

[Chad]

As for the big revelation not being big enough, I prefer the revelation being immensely significant to the character rather than being sensationalistic for the sake of some cheap gimmick. I mean, a well thought out and sensical addition to the character is infinitely better than "Because you demanded it, Leslie Thompkins is back - as the new Harley Quinn!"

However, as of this story, the Joker hasn't appeared since his last showing in Tec right? Batman's knowledge of his whereabouts stems from what Robin told him about his encounter with the Joker in issue 826. Tec 826 took place (and this is based on what the issue itself notes) before Batman 663. Meaning, this story is set before Harley was portrayed as her evil self in Batman 663. It's strange then, that Batman still used Harley Quinn despite what Dini's plans were for her in Tec.

Still thought it was a great issue though, and I like the universe Dini is creating here.

[matt levin]

Ok, I didn't like way Harley was drawn; frankly, I like her as a cartoon, as first she appeared... but I agree, it should be easy to draw Harley sexy, and this wasn't it.

Yesss....I'm glad she's about to be free to roam through the land of the free; but I bet she stays home a lot, because, ladies and gentlemen, have we found the new bat-mite?

When Harley goes good, she's the goodest and who better to go up against, in the name of helping out, than the guy with pointy ears?

Matt

[CMBMOOL]

Being a Harley fan I reallye enjoyed this. While the revelation may be that Harley was a free woman I think the bigger revelation is that she is trending towards hero. That is a Harley I would like to see written more about. Also, just want to say Dini has done a great job with this series clearly differentiating it from Batman.

Agreed I like what Dini has written so far. :D

[Mia]

On a lark, I picked up the TPB collecting the first 6 issues of Dini's run. And found that I actually enjoyed them. Someone here had suggested that the books actually read better in one shot, and they were right! I like it that Dinia actually has Batman doing detective work amazing huh?

[wes_rk]

getting a little off topic here, but didn't Dini said that his Detective Comics might not be as one shot as we all think?

and back on topic, I liked this issue, it revealed something about Harley, maybe she's not all the way lost yet, and Bruce must have seen something good in order to parole her. I wonder if we will see more of her in the future. And speaking of bad guys going good, Riddler must know by now that there's something peculiar about the Batman's identity, last issue he was in I got the feeling he knows he knew something about it.

[IamtheRock3]

getting a little off topic here, but didn't Dini said that his Detective Comics might not be as one shot as we all think?

and back on topic, I liked this issue, it revealed something about Harley, maybe she's not all the way lost yet, and Bruce must have seen something good in order to parole her. I wonder if we will see more of her in the future. And speaking of bad guys going good, Riddler must know by now that there's something peculiar about the Batman's identity, last issue he was in I got the feeling he knows he knew something about it.


meh

Not the first villan he help go straight. This one will fail to

Tried with ivy, and Two face a bunch of times

interesting as HARDCORE as batman is he beleave in redemption sometime to the point of being naive

[Hatut Zeraze]

getting a little off topic here, but didn't Dini said that his Detective Comics might not be as one shot as we all think?


Loxias, the punk magician from #824 and a brief mention in #831 appears to be a central character in the upcoming Zatanna issue (#832, I think).

Could it be that Dini, when he says everything isn't all as one shot as we think, be referring to paying off on subplots that he has been tracking through his one shots? It could be as simple as that.

[BatKnight89]

I need to start reading more Detective, the only dini issue I got was the Christmas issue with the Joker.

[Captain Jim]

On a lark, I picked up the TPB collecting the first 6 issues of Dini's run. And found that I actually enjoyed them. Someone here had suggested that the books actually read better in one shot, and they were right! I like it that Dinia actually has Batman doing detective work amazing huh?

Somehow I was under the impression that you had already read some of these and hadn't liked them. :confused:

[Mia]

Yes I collect the book and did read the first two issues, but I wasn't impressed. So I just started tossing them in my box. However I found that reading them back-to-back was far more enjoyable. I had the same experience with the Robinson Batman/Tec cross over: 'Face the Face'. Tedious and pointless on their own. But more fun together.

Sometimes it just works like that :)

[carabas]

meh

Not the first villan he help go straight. This one will fail to

Considering that Harley is a - relatively speaking - new character that isn't as fundamentally ingrained in the Bat-mythos as Two-Face or PoisonIvy, and that it is the character's creator pushing her in this direction, this will probably last at least until Dini signs a Marvel exclusive.

[Captain Jim]

Yes I collect the book and did read the first two issues, but I wasn't impressed. So I just started tossing them in my box. However I found that reading them back-to-back was far more enjoyable. I had the same experience with the Robinson Batman/Tec cross over: 'Face the Face'. Tedious and pointless on their own. But more fun together.

Sometimes it just works like that :)


Wow, you buy the individual issues and then the trades too? That is really dedication!

I often accumulate the issues of a story arc and don't read them until they're all out. This is especially helpful in this age of freqent delays and is of help to my own failing memory.

[Mia]

Wow, you buy the individual issues and then the trades too? That is really dedication!

I often accumulate the issues of a story arc and don't read them until they're all out. This is especially helpful in this age of freqent delays and is of help to my own failing memory.

I'm a bibliophile! Books are my addiction!

[Grunty]

First: Sorry to suddently jump in here 'because i normaly hang around the Marvel part, but i felt like saying something here too.

I am still skeptic about if she will manage to stay out of the crime thing or if she will follow Catwomans example? But i liked the story.

Also i really wonder if this was such a good idea of Batman to release her?
On the other side B:TAS always showed Batman being somewhat protectiv towards Harley (trying to reason with her) so maybe Dini wanted to bring that into the comics..

Okay the art had its downsides but Harley still has her cute moments (especialy the beginning with her talking to herself). Also the last scene with her jumping above the jury made me smile.

[Karl O'Neill]

First: Sorry to suddently jump in here 'because i normaly hang around the Marvel part, but i felt like saying something here too.

I am still skeptic about if she will manage to stay out of the crime thing or if she will follow Catwomans example? But i liked the story.

Also i really wonder if this was such a good idea of Batman to release her?
On the other side B:TAS always showed Batman being somewhat protectiv towards Harley (trying to reason with her) so maybe Dini wanted to bring that into the comics..

Okay the art had its downsides but Harley still has her cute moments (especialy the beginning with her talking to herself). Also the last scene with her jumping above the jury made me smile.


Don kramer's art is fine. Harley will probably end up in gail simones secret six, so they had to release her.

[Karl O'Neill]

Yes I collect the book and did read the first two issues, but I wasn't impressed. So I just started tossing them in my box. However I found that reading them back-to-back was far more enjoyable. I had the same experience with the Robinson Batman/Tec cross over: 'Face the Face'. Tedious and pointless on their own. But more fun together.

Sometimes it just works like that :)

face to face was fun, the ending pissed people off tho, i mean, that villain just came out of nowhere, exactly he was nowhere but prison. lame lame lame

[casual Bat Fan]

Sorry for the late impressions as I didn't get my comics til um today :(

Anywho I really enjoyed the story and while the art wasn't the greatest (especially Bruce during the parole board scenes) at least the part where scarface is laying out the plan and you see Harley executing it was well done.

I also agree with many that Dini's work on TEC isn't as one shot as it seems. There are subplots and little things that carry over. I bet at the end of his run a lot of the little things will come together and be a major part of what's going on.

[shaxper]

I found this to be the least enjoyable issue in Dini's run thus far, and yet it had so much potential. I think it really came down to three problems for me:

1. The artwork. I know this is the same artist Dini's been paired with since the begining, but he just kept messing up Harley's face. She looked weird in nearly every panel, and that truly distanced me from being able to appreciate what was happening on the inside. Her nose alone completely changed shape and size at least three times in that issue.

2. Of all the villains Dini has reinterpreted throughout his run, I find the new ventiriloquist to be the absolutely least interesting. She doesn't do anything for me. There's nothing particularly compelling or even distinct about her character. She just shows up to move the plot along. Give me Dini's Riddler, Ivy, or even Penguin. He did amazing work with those three. This one, though, -- I don't see the appeal.

3. Really a more minor note, but one that bothered me, nonetheless. How come Batman wasn't able to take down the Ventriloguist. He's downed quite a few criminals firing guns at him in the past, but this one was alone and also trying to fire on Harley at the same time. It seems like there's absolutely no reason why two officers had to die while Batman was there. This isn't Bane we're talking about. Batman was utterly useless in this situation. I wonder if this is just Dini trying to play up the detective aspect of Batman by playing down the crime-fighter aspect. I don't know. Whatever it was, it didn't feel like Batman to me.

[Captain Jim]

Well, I finally got around to reading this (picked it up some time ago). And I think I agree with the initial post of this thread: it was OK. I'm still not seeing Dini's work as being anything more than mediocre. I know many of you love it, but I'm just not seeing it.

This was my first exposure to the new Ventriloquist, and I didn't care for her at all. We killed Wesker off for this? I don't get it.

I will be interested in seeing where Harley's characterization goes from here, though.

[IamtheRock3]

Well, I finally got around to reading this (picked it up some time ago). And I think I agree with the initial post of this thread: it was OK. I'm still not seeing Dini's work as being anything more than mediocre. I know many of you love it, but I'm just not seeing it.

This was my first exposure to the new Ventriloquist, and I didn't care for her at all. We killed Wesker off for this? I don't get it.

I will be interested in seeing where Harley's characterization goes from here, though.


in fairness wesker was allready in the ground before dini got on

In fact think he was killed 3 times in 2 years

[Captain Jim]

in fairness wesker was allready in the ground before dini got on

I didn't mean to imply that Dini had done this.

In fact think he was killed 3 times in 2 years

Serious? I knew about Face to Face, but where else?

[GeorgeG]

Gail's mentioned that Harley's next in line to join the Secret Six. So, there's that.

What's the point to that if we go based on this issue?