World War Hulk: Whose side are YOU on?

[hyzmarca]

Because the Zomling absorbs magic and if it absorbs enough magic it will become a new full-grown Zom complete with all of the original's power.

[Clea]

What build up are you referring to? Zom appeared in the final panel of WWH #3 and was defeated in the first few pages of WWH #4. Did I miss something?

Why did you think Strange was channeling the full power of Zom? I thought the Living Tribunal banished/killed Zom in his first appearance. The Zomling (tiny fraction of the essence of Zom), on the other hand, was trapped in the amphora (magical vase-like thing) by Strange a long time ago. And it was the Amphora that Strange unsealed and drank from in WWH #3. What made you think that it was fully-powered Zom that was returning?

I know this and you know this... but show me where in the actual pages of WWH that this is ever explained. All readers see on the page is Strange imbibing something from the amphora, and suddenly become OMG!!!ZOM!!! And then we get comments from the nutcase peanut gallery (during the so-called trial of the Illuminati) that Strange channeled a demon.

Readers (who are not already familiar with the original source comics) should not have to go digging around online resources to see what the heck Pak was refering to here, nor should they have to even wonder: did Strange actually channel the demon? Did he merely channel the demon's strength? What is a Zomling and how is that different from Zom?

None of these questions are clearly answered in WWH, and I would argue that based only on what he showed in WWH, readers are left with the impression that Strange actually channeled Zom. Now, Pak has said otherwise in interviews, but readers shouldn't have to go reading interviews with writers to figure out what the heck is happening in the book. Nor should readers have to go and read an entirely different series (Hulk 111 -- where Pak will presumably explain this in the book itself), in order to figure out what is happening. If I had been the editor of this, I would have kicked this back to him and said that it wasn't clear.

[Soulfire2]

I know this and you know this... but show me where in the actual pages of WWH that this is ever explained. All readers see on the page is Strange imbibing something from the amphora, and suddenly become OMG!!!ZOM!!! And then we get comments from the nutcase peanut gallery (during the so-called trial of the Illuminati) that Strange channeled a demon.

Readers (who are not already familiar with the original source comics) should not have to go digging around online resources to see what the heck Pak was refering to here, nor should they have to even wonder: did Strange actually channel the demon? Did he merely channel the demon's strength? What is a Zomling and how is that different from Zom?

None of these questions are clearly answered in WWH, and I would argue that based only on what he showed in WWH, readers are left with the impression that Strange actually channeled Zom. Now, Pak has said otherwise in interviews, but readers shouldn't have to go reading interviews with writers to figure out what the heck is happening in the book. Nor should readers have to go and read an entirely different series (Hulk 111 -- where Pak will presumably explain this in the book itself), in order to figure out what is happening. If I had been the editor of this, I would have kicked this back to him and said that it wasn't clear.


I totally agree. They should have at least did a couple panels of back history. Heck, even people that did read all about ZOM in previous issues might have trouble remember all the details. Definitely bad writting.

[Kevinroc]

I totally agree. They should have at least did a couple panels of back history. Heck, even people that did read all about ZOM in previous issues might have trouble remember all the details. Definitely bad writting.

They said enough about Zom in the story that you really needed to know for his role. You don't wanna bog a reader down in all that exposition because that's just not good writing.

[DaeJi]

I'm surprised you've gone to that level since you voted that you sided with the Illuminati (whenever you voted). So it's not your impression of the Hulk that has really changed, but your impression of the Illuminati.

Not really. I'm just completely disappointed with this mini, so much that I thought seeing everyone nailed in their reproductive organs would make it better.

[Magneto Rocks]

They said enough about Zom in the story that you really needed to know for his role. You don't wanna bog a reader down in all that exposition because that's just not good writing.

There's a balance between too much and too little. And we got WAAAAAY too little.

But given the too much mindless action, too little actual storytelling, too much telling us about Sentry not enough showing us, and too much deus ex machina not enough sensible resolution of plot points that have characterized every issue of this series since issue one, that's hardling surprising.

[Kevinroc]

There's a balance between too much and too little. And we got WAAAAAY too little.

But given the too much mindless action, too little actual storytelling, too much telling us about Sentry not enough showing us, and too much deus ex machina not enough sensible resolution of plot points that have characterized every issue of this series since issue one, that's hardling surprising.

I don't think we got way too little.

You complain that WWH has too much "mindless action" but that's how Marvel described it when they were marketing it. It's really the some reviewers and posters that are talking about this being deeper.

[Magneto Rocks]

You complain that WWH has too much "mindless action" but that's how Marvel described it when they were marketing it. It's really the some reviewers and posters that are talking about this being deeper.

KR, I could market a piece of crap as "A piece of crap!"

This would not mean people would have to automatically think it was awesome because it's what I described it as. ;)

[Kevinroc]

KR, I could market a piece of crap as "A piece of crap!"

This would not mean people would have to automatically think it was awesome because it's what I described it as. ;)

Well, that's how Countdown should have been marketed. ;)

(When in doubt, ALWAYS make fun of Countdown.)

[g-dawg]

I don't think we got way too little.

You complain that WWH has too much "mindless action" but that's how Marvel described it when they were marketing it. It's really the some reviewers and posters that are talking about this being deeper.

So you concede to the thought that WWH is just a glorified 'fan-wank' (hate the term, but just thought it applies here) for the Hulk fans and should be accepted as such by the readers? O__O

To be honest, I got into Hulk coz I heard WWH was coming, but I just don't want my intelligence insulted by the last 2 issues of WWH passing itself off as a well-developed story when it clearly isn't. And all 'mindless action' aside, I just think a story isn't a story without a well-thought out plot. :(

Maybe if they marketed it as a 'mindless action' event and gave us just that...5 issues with almost 50 pages each of nothing but mindless action, nothing but page after page of punches and kicks and buildings collapsing, without a shred of coherent thought or story flow, maybe I wouldn't be expecting much. :D

As it is, the writer took the time to introduce plot points and expected us to care about what happens next, and that's not the mindless action promised.

[Clea]

They said enough about Zom in the story that you really needed to know for his role. You don't wanna bog a reader down in all that exposition because that's just not good writing.

Honestly, all the exposition necessary to actually explain what was really going on with Zom could have been contained in one word balloon in an existing panel, during the initial conversation between Wong and Strange when Strange demands the amphora.

I don't think that's asking for too much.

[Kevinroc]

Honestly, all the exposition necessary to actually explain what was really going on with Zom could have been contained in one word balloon in an existing panel, during the initial conversation between Wong and Strange when Strange demands the amphora.

I don't think that's asking for too much.

And then you'll have a lot of people wondering who the hell the Living Tribunal is.

[Kevinroc]

So you concede to the thought that WWH is just a glorified 'fan-wank' (hate the term, but just thought it applies here) for the Hulk fans and should be accepted as such by the readers? O__O

To be honest, I got into Hulk coz I heard WWH was coming, but I just don't want my intelligence insulted by the last 2 issues of WWH passing itself off as a well-developed story when it clearly isn't. And all 'mindless action' aside, I just think a story isn't a story without a well-thought out plot. :(

Maybe if they marketed it as a 'mindless action' event and gave us just that...5 issues with almost 50 pages each of nothing but mindless action, nothing but page after page of punches and kicks and buildings collapsing, without a shred of coherent thought or story flow, maybe I wouldn't be expecting much. :D

As it is, the writer took the time to introduce plot points and expected us to care about what happens next, and that's not the mindless action promised.

What I am saying is that Marvel has said one thing and some people are complaining that the story is too much like what Marvel had said it would be.

The whole point of the Zom element was to show Dr. Strange is quite capable of becoming a monster in order to fight a monster. But a lot of people complained that this was out of character for the good doctor and that he should have summoned up someone to take care of the problem and basically serve as a dues ex machina. As if it were acceptable for kidnappers to just call on help after their hands have been crushed (which had previously been established as screwing up Doc's magical powers, so a lot of these people complaining about the continuity don't even know the damn continuity themselves).

The idea that the Illuminati have behaved as villains has been pointed out on message boards and such for some time now. And someone in the Marvel U. is pointing that out... but they're uncomfortable that it's the Hulk pointing it out. The things that separate WWH from just being a kind of Hulk version of OWAW are clearly there. This story isn't about the Hulk being the champion of virtue or any some such. It's a monster pointing out that he's in a world of monsters.

[Barnaby]

What bothers me the most with all this Zom element is that it's build up in the last few pages of issue 4 as Strange's ultimate device to stop the Hulk! Something so dangerous that even THE Sorcerer Supreme has second thoughts about using it and later on has great difficulty in controling! Something terrible!!
And then... a few punches from the Hulk and we don't hear about it anymore. Swiped under the rug...

Come on... that's good writing?

[ivesaidway2much]

I know this and you know this... but show me where in the actual pages of WWH that this is ever explained. All readers see on the page is Strange imbibing something from the amphora, and suddenly become OMG!!!ZOM!!! And then we get comments from the nutcase peanut gallery (during the so-called trial of the Illuminati) that Strange channeled a demon.

Readers (who are not already familiar with the original source comics) should not have to go digging around online resources to see what the heck Pak was refering to here, nor should they have to even wonder: did Strange actually channel the demon? Did he merely channel the demon's strength? What is a Zomling and how is that different from Zom?

None of these questions are clearly answered in WWH, and I would argue that based only on what he showed in WWH, readers are left with the impression that Strange actually channeled Zom.Zom is a minor character. He appeared in around 10 pages of what's going to be a 200+ page story. That's about 5%. The story showed you that he was a demon, summoned by Strange, who was pretty gosh darned powerful. To fully understand Zom's history and abilities, you need to have knowledge of several other magical characters.

So what does a more extensive backstory for Zom actually add to the overall tale? Does Pak explaining who Dormammu and Eternity are, what their powers are, and what it means when they have to team up to stop a guy make the story more entertaining? Will a recount of the Living Tribunal's origin story and his subsequent abilities sell more comics? How does a clearly expounded list of the major differences between Zom and Zomling make the story better? For those already familiar with the character, they would likely already know the major elements. And for those who weren't familiar with the character, what do the extra details matter, when Zom was going to be gone in 10 pages anyway? I mean, technically, the reader never even sees Zom or Zomling in the actual story.

[Barnaby]

And just for the record that "we are all monsters now" bit was hilarious...

Yeah, we are all monsters when some of us have controlling mind discs making you fight with each others! I kind of think you failed the point there, Hulk...

[Magneto Rocks]

And just for the record that "we are all monsters now" bit was hilarious...

Yeah, we are all monsters when some of us have controlling mind discs making you fight with each others! I kind of think you failed the point there, Hulk...

I've noted that before, and so did the reviewer for... I think it was Comixforce. "We're all monsters when I override your free will and force you to commit immoral deeds!"

[hyzmarca]

The disks don't override free will, them simply cause excruciating and eventually destroy the mind of the subject. The captured heroes can still refuse, if they are willing to accept to personal consequences of such refusal (extreme pain and eventual lobotomization or death).

Heroism is generally defined by self-sacrifice for greater moral principles. They're doing monstrous things so that they can survive, which is the default for all living creatures, but it isn't the slightest bit heroic.

[ivesaidway2much]

The disks don't override free will, them simply cause excruciating and eventually destroy the mind of the subject. The captured heroes can still refuse, if they are willing to accept to personal consequences of such refusal (extreme pain and eventual lobotomization or death).I think they can override free will. That's how Red King's people made Korg kill his brother. I think the discs have a bunch of settings like pain, physical control, death, etc.

[Barnaby]

The disks don't override free will, them simply cause excruciating and eventually destroy the mind of the subject. The captured heroes can still refuse, if they are willing to accept to personal consequences of such refusal (extreme pain and eventual lobotomization or death).

Heroism is generally defined by self-sacrifice for greater moral principles. They're doing monstrous things so that they can survive, which is the default for all living creatures, but it isn't the slightest bit heroic.

Hmmm... If it doesn't override free will why doesn't Sue (or any of the other heroes) do something? Sorry but for the looks of it I'd say they DO override free will. And at some point Stark says something in the lines of "Reed, they're making me--" Sound like mind control to me...

[Kevinroc]

I've noted that before, and so did the reviewer for... I think it was Comixforce. "We're all monsters when I override your free will and force you to commit immoral deeds!"

So what's the difference between mind control discs and nanobots? Are you saying that Hulk is the moral equal of Tony Stark?

[Magneto Rocks]

So what's the difference between mind control discs and nanobots? Are you saying that Hulk is the moral equal of Tony Stark?

The difference has been explained numerous times, you just won't listne. For the record-

A)You VOLUNTEER for the program where Nanobots are put in you. Obedience disks are slapped on you unwillingly.

B) Nanobots are put only in those who were legitimately convicted and have agreed to serve in this program. Obedience disks are slapped on anyone and everyone who defies Hulk at all. Including talking bad to him, apparantly.

C) Nanobots are harmless to put in, from what we've seen. Obedience disks cause massive pain.

D) Nanobots are only triggered for big offences like attempted escape. Obedience disks are triggered for speaking at the wrong moment.

E) Nanobots are used as a safety measure, a "just in case". Obedience disks are triggered non stop at will, sending absolutely massive pain through the person and FORCING them to comply with their orders. Ergo, they're far far closer to slavery than nanobots ever were.

F) Nanobots will cause pain if you don't comply. Obedience disks totally override any and all free will and give you no choice at all, WHILE causing you great pain.

It's clear, it's obvious, and it's just as clear that nanobots are nowehre NEAR as bad.

[Kevinroc]

And the nanobots designed to take away someone's powers? Stark tried to use these things against Spider-Man because Peter turned his back to Tony's "new world order."

[Magneto Rocks]

And the nanobots designed to take away someone's powers? Stark tried to use these things against Spider-Man because Peter turned his back to Tony's "new world order."

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Tony was- what's the term- oh yes, an open criminal who had broken the law and was currently wanted for beating the crap unnecesarilly out of thugs, evading arrest as well as aiding and abetting a resistance movement illegally and, what was it? Oh yes, the fact that at the time his fondest wish in life was to kill a man.

But if you want to spin that as "his new world order", fine by you. Still a damn sight better than what Hulk is doing. At least he's not making Spidey watch his loved ones die horribly.

[Hulk Strongest One]

I don't think that's accurate. I think the discs just cause good old-fashioned excrciating pain until you comply.

If they could override your willpower directly, there'd be no need for pain.

People underestimate how pain could drive people to do things they don't want to, as if a hero could just decline, no matter how bad the pain got, 'cause, you know, they're a hero and stuff.

[Magneto Rocks]

I don't think that's accurate. I think the discs just cause good old-fashioned excrciating pain until you comply.


If that's the case then World War Hulk represents the most gross mischaracterization of- well, quite a number of heroes but ESPECIALLY Benjamin J. Grimm- that I have ever seen.

[Kevinroc]

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Tony was- what's the term- oh yes, an open criminal who had broken the law and was currently wanted for beating the crap unnecesarilly out of thugs, evading arrest as well as aiding and abetting a resistance movement illegally and, what was it? Oh yes, the fact that at the time his fondest wish in life was to kill a man.

But if you want to spin that as "his new world order", fine by you. Still a damn sight better than what Hulk is doing. At least he's not making Spidey watch his loved ones die horribly.

Didn't Stark call it a "new world order"? I'm not exactly twisting anything here, now am I?

If Stark's New World Order involve the Thunderbolts, "Clor" (whom Wizard has claimed will come back under the name "Ragnarok" and will serve as a major super villain so congrats on creating a super villain, Tony), attempting to start wars with Atlantis to scare people, shoving prisoners into the negative zone where they are miserable, depowering people for not following you and all sorts of other things that needn't be mentioned...

So it's a little ironic that you claim Hulk is the real monster here. And this is without even getting into that whole "kidnapping" thing he did to the Hulk.

The fact is, this is all the Illuminati's fault. If you engage in brutal tactics to accomplish your goal, your opponents will engage in brutal tactics to hit you back. Karmically, Stark deserves bad things for all the bad things he has done. And the "innocent" people that embraced Stark's tactics over Captain America's... they need to learn what the cost of doing business is.

[ivesaidway2much]

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Tony was- what's the term- oh yes, an open criminal who had broken the law and was currently wanted for beating the crap unnecesarilly out of thugs, evading arrest as well as aiding and abetting a resistance movement illegally and, what was it? Oh yes, the fact that at the time his fondest wish in life was to kill a man.

But if you want to spin that as "his new world order", fine by you. Still a damn sight better than what Hulk is doing. At least he's not making Spidey watch his loved ones die horribly.Um, isn't Tony a criminal, too? He kidnapped and illegally imprisoned the Hulk. He used technology to remove a person's free will and force him to kill other people (gee, that sounds kind of familiar). Then had the man attack a peaceful foreign diplomat. And has since covered up these acts. Morally and/or legally, how is Tony better than Spider-man?

[Magneto Rocks]

Didn't Stark call it a "new world order"? I'm not exactly twisting anything here, now am I?

Yes, you are when you're trying to claim it's the sole reason Peter was targetted.

[quoite]If Stark's New World Order involve the Thunderbolts,[/quote]

Something he clearly has no control over and has been shown to disagree with.

"Clor" (whom Wizard has claimed will come back under the name "Ragnarok" and will serve as a major super villain so congrats on creating a super villain, Tony),

Because heroes are NEVER responsible for the creation of villains before now. NEV-ER. Right, Doctor Doom? Anyway, leaving aside that poor point, it's FAR too early to try to blame his return on Tony.

attempting to start wars with Atlantis to scare people,

Actually, he took steps to ensure there wouldn't be war. It was Cap who brought things MUCH closer to actual war. :)

shoving prisoners into the negative zone where they are miserable,

Well clearly when people go to prison, your absolute number one concern is that they don't feel unhappy.

depowering people for not following you and all sorts of other things that needn't be mentioned...

I love how "for breaking multiple laws and acting in a resistance movement" manages to translate to "not following you".

The fact is, this is all the Illuminati's fault. If you engage in brutal tactics to accomplish your goal, your opponents will engage in brutal tactics to hit you back. Karmically, Stark deserves bad things for all the bad things he has done.

Rubbish. "An eye for an eye" was regarded as fair two melennia ago. Now it's just psychotic. Two wrongs absolutely do not in any way make a right.

Karmically, Hulk deserves to recieve the single largest property damage bill known to mankind and probably multiple life jail sentences while we're at it, if you really want to go down that road.

And the "innocent" people that embraced Stark's tactics over Captain America's... they need to learn what the cost of doing business is.

Pretty much a choice of evils when you consider everything Cap did. And I wonder what Ben Grimm did which was so evil that he deserved to be made to watch his best friend first become a murder, then be brutally murdered, before his very eyes at the hands of a monster he feels he should have stopped. Not to mention that it's not a matter of tactics- if Cap had won the war and Hulk had returned, Cap would have been first in line to take him down.

He kidnapped and illegally imprisoned the Hulk.

In a case which is questionable considering the lack of other options.

He used technology to remove a person's free will and force him to kill other people (gee, that sounds kind of familiar).

No, he didn't. Either part- he didn't remove a person's free will OR force him to kill others, actually.

Then had the man attack a peaceful foreign diplomat.

"Peaceful" is a bit of a stretch here. But while ethically questionable, it's not quite "Swing around city while threatening to kill two men, determined to do so and using ruthless tactics on any who stand in my way" level.

And considering that the more rtuhless tactics were used because if they were not, Peter Parker wouldn't feel better whereas Tony's tactics were used because if not, the world itself was at stake, it doesn't bear comparison.

Morally and/or legally, how is Tony better than Spider-man?

Gee, I wonder. Maybe by.... pretty much everything?

[Mike Smash!]

This thread be merged.

[Kevinroc]

Yes, you are when you're trying to claim it's the sole reason Peter was targetted.

You're seriously going to argue that Stark has the moral high ground over Spider-Man now?

Something he clearly has no control over and has been shown to disagree with.

Except when he uses one of them to try and murder foreign diplomats.

Because heroes are NEVER responsible for the creation of villains before now. NEV-ER. Right, Doctor Doom? Anyway, leaving aside that poor point, it's FAR too early to try to blame his return on Tony.

There's a distinct difference between a person being arrogant and crazy over you one-upping them and creating a weapon from scratch that already killed a man.

Actually, he took steps to ensure there wouldn't be war. It was Cap who brought things MUCH closer to actual war. :)

Cap planned an assassination attempt?

Well clearly when people go to prison, your absolute number one concern is that they don't feel unhappy.

There's a distinct difference between a normal prison and one in the Negative Zone.

I love how "for breaking multiple laws and acting in a resistance movement" manages to translate to "not following you".

The Marvel U. people should be thankful that that awful Spider-Man is being dealt with, huh?

Rubbish. "An eye for an eye" was regarded as fair two melennia ago. Now it's just psychotic. Two wrongs absolutely do not in any way make a right.

Karmically, Hulk deserves to recieve the single largest property damage bill known to mankind and probably multiple life jail sentences while we're at it, if you really want to go down that road.

Considering the number of dead Hulk love interests (the single worst gig in comics, even more so than knowing Tim Drake), and the whole "the world wants to destroy him" thing, I'm pretty sure Hulk has bad karma already. In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't lashed out this badly more often in the past. Considering how badly he's treated.

Pretty much a choice of evils when you consider everything Cap did. And I wonder what Ben Grimm did which was so evil that he deserved to be made to watch his best friend first become a murder, then be brutally murdered, before his very eyes at the hands of a monster he feels he should have stopped. Not to mention that it's not a matter of tactics- if Cap had won the war and Hulk had returned, Cap would have been first in line to take him down.

Ben has admitted that the ONE guy he is most afraid of is the Hulk. He's less scared of Doom and Galactus.

In a case which is questionable considering the lack of other options.

Rights aren't rights then, are they?

No, he didn't. Either part- he didn't remove a person's free will OR force him to kill others, actually.

So Tony's dead now?

"Peaceful" is a bit of a stretch here. But while ethically questionable, it's not quite "Swing around city while threatening to kill two men, determined to do so and using ruthless tactics on any who stand in my way" level.

And considering that the more rtuhless tactics were used because if they were not, Peter Parker wouldn't feel better whereas Tony's tactics were used because if not, the world itself was at stake, it doesn't bear comparison.

Gee, I wonder. Maybe by.... pretty much everything?

So you seriously think Tony has the moral high ground over Spider-Man?

Wow...

[ivesaidway2much]

"Peaceful" is a bit of a stretch here. But while ethically questionable, it's not quite "Swing around city while threatening to kill two men, determined to do so and using ruthless tactics on any who stand in my way" level.

And considering that the more rtuhless tactics were used because if they were not, Peter Parker wouldn't feel better whereas Tony's tactics were used because if not, the world itself was at stake, it doesn't bear comparison.



Gee, I wonder. Maybe by.... pretty much everything?So it's okay for Tony to have people killed, but it's not okay for Peter to threaten to kill people?

[Soulfire2]

If forced to take sides I would have to side with the Illuminati. Let's face it, the Hulk was always going crazy and haywire and causing tons of property damage and even got a few people killed in the past. If this was reality (which I want to make totally clear that I know it is not) the government would have done whatever they had to do to get rid of the Hulk. That includes killing him. The biggest thing is that they couldn't even reason with the Hulk. He always goes into this stupid "Hulk Smash" mode and thats thats.

So what did the Illuminati do? They decide to get together and banash the Hulk to another planet. Not a bad decision considering he probably would have been sentenced to death in reality. I want to point out that I find it crazy that none of the marvel super smart heros could cure Banner but that's beside the point.

Now lets go to planet Hulk where he is actually happy with where he has ended up. The ship explodes and kills everyone he cares about. We don't exactly know why the bomb went off. I think it was probably one of the Warbound in order to cause strife but thats just my opinion.

Now the Hulk comes back to Earth and kicks everyone's butt and tries to take over. Again, no one can reason with him. The Hulk doesn't even ask if they meant to send him to the planet that he ended up on. The Hulk doesn't even ask if they meant for the bomb to explode and kill the creatures on Planet Hulk.

Someone should ask the Hulk this question. "While you were king of Planet Hulk, if someone started rampaging through your kingdom and causing damage what would you have done with them if you took the time to reason with them for years and years?"

Kind of ironic don't you think. But I can promise you the Hulk wouldn't have taken the time to send a monster to outer space to a "intended" peaceful planet. He would have smashed the monster right into the ground.

When you look at it that way, I think what the Illuminati did was pretty sincere.

[guyjo]

This discussion demonstrates the fantastic writing in this series.
It is not cut and dry at all where Hulk is right and where the Illuminati are right. Both have crossed the line at least once, and currently, with WWH issue four, even some of his own Warbound think Hulk is going too far. Just like Civil War, there are sensible arguments for both sides here. Hulk has every right to be pissed off, but with issue four he is going too far, in my opinion.
But either way, I am really loving this book very much.

[Harding Prime]

Didn't Stark call it a "new world order"? I'm not exactly twisting anything here, now am I?


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[onelasthero]

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WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... that picture brings back memories

[vapinospidey]

HULK has every right to be pissed,but shouldn't he be thinking abt consequences of his actions? Shouldn't he be making sure why the bomb went off in the first place or why he ended up on that planet where illuminati didn't intend to send him or can't he just sit down see things from other side's POV? of course not, coz he is the green monster ,one and only THE HULK,all he knows is how to SMASH! so let's ENJOY the action! :evilsmile

[beetheb]

HULK has every right to be pissed,but shouldn't he be thinking abt consequences of his actions? Shouldn't he be making sure why the bomb went off in the first place or why he ended up on that planet where illuminati didn't intend to send him or can't he just sit down see things from other side's POV? of course not, coz he is the green monster ,one and only THE HULK,all he knows is how to SMASH! so let's ENJOY the action! :evilsmile So you're saying he's righteously wrong?

I dunno, you're all over the map here, what exactly are you trying to say?

[DarkRevolution]

I haven't decided yet if I want to read this series,though if i do it'll be because GR was in it. When I saw that whol eimage of the sword in the skull I was like dude GR better not be dead...but I heard he rode off. I'm not very fond of hulk so I'm kinda stubborn to read since you know he's gonna win anyways ya know:S

[beetheb]

I haven't decided yet if I want to read this series,though if i do it'll be because GR was in it.Then you'll be disappointed. GR's involvement in WWH was minimal and pointless. It had nothing to do with the event at all, really, and he (GR) doesn't show up in any book but his own.

If you're going to read it, I wouldn't do it on that premise. GR aside, I still recommend the main series and WWH: X-men. Lotsa cool fights.

[vapinospidey]

beetheb is right, GR stuff was not that good, but do take X-men ones,nice fights there really!

[Drdmx]

"Go be invulnerable in Jersey" *PUNT* .... priceless.

[Hrungr]

"Go be invulnerable in Jersey" *PUNT* .... priceless.
Other than Pak, Gage would be right near the top of my list of writers who I think could be great on the Hulk. The X-Men crossover was clearly the best of the tie-ins. :)