All star batman and Robin 5 preview

[Karl O'Neill]

This is the best i could find for you all,

enjoy these beautiful pages by jim lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SArCv15yhXQ

[Mia]

I liked the artwork. Especially the panel of Superman and Wonderwoman kissing. Miller must be a big shipper of that relationship.

Though I must say that 'show' made me cringe and reminded me why I don't let anyone at work know that I collect comic books.

[Karl O'Neill]

I liked the artwork. Especially the panel of Superman and Wonderwoman kissing. Miller must be a big shipper of that relationship.

Though I must say that 'show' made me cringe and reminded me why I don't let anyone at work know that I collect comic books.

Really? i let everyone in work know i read comics, in fact my desk is decorated with countdown(promotional picture with superman crying on wonder womans lap, infinite crisis, JSA and world war hulk posters and clips.

and anyone that is interested, i lend them hush by loeb and lee, and they love it.

[Mia]

And it doesn't interfere with your career? Wow!

[Karl O'Neill]

And it doesn't interfere with your career? Wow!

only when they get to the end of hush and realised they have being conned!

[Sean Whitmore]

Ah, hell, #5 is coming out already? I haven't even had time to parody issue #4 yet!

Damn this series and its speedy schedule!


SEAN

[Karl O'Neill]

Ah, hell, #5 is coming out already? I haven't even had time to parody issue #4 yet!

Damn this series and its speedy schedule!


SEAN

Jim lee is holding them pages hostage at his house.

Like Grant morrisons's batman would say... PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE! (crunches teeth)

[The Cool Thatguy]

Ah, hell, #5 is coming out already? I haven't even had time to parody issue #4 yet!

Damn this series and its speedy schedule!


SEAN

Hey now, you can't parody All Star Batman until we see that Civil Crisis we were promised!

[BatKnight89]

I really tried giving Allstar BATMAN a chance, but I just don't like it. Some of it I like but I just can't wait around for years trying to read the story, that's another thing I don't like is how lat it always is.:evilsmile

[mattx110]

I really tried giving Allstar BATMAN a chance, but I just don't like it. Some of it I like but I just can't wait around for years trying to read the story, that's another thing I don't like is how lat it always is.:evilsmile

give it a rest and try again when more comes out. there's other stuff to be excited about.
go pick up dean motter and michael lark's "nine lives"
2 of comics finest artists, only one of them is writing instead of arting... but he's a good writer too anyway.

[BatKnight89]

give it a rest and try again when more comes out. there's other stuff to be excited about.
go pick up dean motter and michael lark's "nine lives"
2 of comics finest artists, only one of them is writing instead of arting... but he's a good writer too anyway.
Is that a Catwoman story?

[mattx110]

Is that a Catwoman story?

it's a batman noir story. i actually still haven't picked it up,and i'm verry upset with myself because i love both of the creators...
i don't think it's a focus on catwoman, but the title fits. hehe:D

[BatKnight89]

it's a batman noir story. i actually still haven't picked it up,and i'm verry upset with myself because i love both of the creators...
i don't think it's a focus on catwoman, but the title fits. hehe:D
;) I'd like to check out thatBatman and the Monster Men, but whenever I go to my comic shop I forget all about it, then I get home, and go, Doh! I forgot it again.

[mattx110]

;) I'd like to check out thatBatman and the Monster Men, but whenever I go to my comic shop I forget all about it, then I get home, and go, Doh! I forgot it again.

see, i love matt wagner too, and i don't know why i haven't picked that up yet. i'm so behind on everything, i'm turning to trades for a while until i can catch up.

[Karl O'Neill]

you guys should check out Faces by matt wagner, written and drawn by him. it's a two face story, very good twists and turns in it.

Nine lives is just pure gold. i love the format it is presented in.

[BatKnight89]

I'll have to look for that Faces story, thanks for the heads up. I wanna' get that other one he just did, or is still in the process of, that retelling of the Mad Monk or whatever he's called, I was reading the original a few weeks ago from the 40's, good but funny how the old stories were so rushed.

[davids]

That pitcher of Diana and Clark Kissing means he plans on giving the man of Steel feet of clay by making wonder woman his mistress who he is cheating on Lois [his wife] with?:evilangry

[The Batman]

In this continuity Superman and Lois aren't married.

[the goddamn batman]

In this continuity Superman and Lois aren't married.

Says who? Have we seen proof of that either way? Honestly, I'm asking, I can't remember.:confused:

[The Batman]

Well given that this story is set during Batman's second year it's a pretty safe assumption to make that Superman hasn't gotten around to marrying Lois yet.

[the goddamn batman]

But this is outside of any regular continuity. So, who's to say. Besides, you don't have to be married to be envolved with someone.

[davids]

Wonder Woman to Batman, "I'm not as soft hearted or forgiving as kal!" then procedes to give him a beating for being a Dick!:evilsmile

[The Batman]

But this is outside of any regular continuity. So, who's to say. Besides, you don't have to be married to be envolved with someone.

True, but something still tells me that even Frank Miller isn't going to turn Superman into a cheater.

[davids]

True, but something still tells me that even Frank Miller isn't going to turn Superman into a cheater.

Little more between the boyscout and the princess than a pek on the cheek!:evilsmile

[CaptainCanada]

True, but something still tells me that even Frank Miller isn't going to turn Superman into a cheater.
Given that this title has been pretty unrestrained in its contempt for Superman (and Batman, really), I wouldn't put it past Frank.

[Hatut Zeraze]

Concerning the Matt Wagner Batman stuff, yes Batman & the Mad Monk is finished. I don't know if it is collected yet or not, but I recommend all Matt Wagner Batman comics:

Faces
Batman & the Monster Men
Batman & the Mad Monk
Batman/Grendel
Grendel/Batman

These are the only ones that come to mind, but I dig every one. Faces, though, is probably my favorite.

[Karl O'Neill]

Concerning the Matt Wagner Batman stuff, yes Batman & the Mad Monk is finished. I don't know if it is collected yet or not, but I recommend all Matt Wagner Batman comics:

Faces
Batman & the Monster Men
Batman & the Mad Monk
Batman/Grendel
Grendel/Batman

These are the only ones that come to mind, but I dig every one. Faces, though, is probably my favorite.

me too dude, faces is one class story, some nice twists and turns in it.
also not to get sidetracked, he also wrote a dr midnite story that you can get in trade-paperback too, check it out.

General G

[the goddamn batman]

Given that this title has been pretty unrestrained in its contempt for Superman (and Batman, really), I wouldn't put it past Frank.

It's not contempt. It's Dick's story, and Frank is trying to make him shine.

He makes Superman a dumbass, because it's a Batman book. He'd do it to Batman in a Superman book. He's doing it to both of them in a Robin book. Shocking? Hardly.

He's done it, and said it enough times by now I'd think it was rather obvious what he's doing.

[CaptainCanada]

It's not contempt. It's Dick's story, and Frank is trying to make him shine.

He makes Superman a dumbass, because it's a Batman book. He'd do it to Batman in a Superman book. He's doing it to both of them in a Robin book. Shocking? Hardly.

He's done it, and said it enough times by now I'd think it was rather obvious what he's doing.
Good writers know how to make a character shine without making other heroes come across as morons.

[The Batman]

Little more between the boyscout and the princess than a pek on the cheek!:evilsmile


Fine, I'll take the safe bet and assume that Superman in this story is involved with Wonder Woman and you can assume that he's cheating on Lois Lane.

[Paul Dee]

Fine, I'll take the safe bet and assume that Superman in this story is involved with Wonder Woman and you can assume that he's cheating on Lois Lane.

I'd go on further and say that he beats her and steals from her purse as well.

[Sean Whitmore]

Superman has a beer and cheets on his wife!


...sorry, old reference.


SEAN

[the goddamn batman]

Good writers know how to make a character shine without making other heroes come across as morons.

It's just how Frank likes to do things... it doesn't have anything to do with good or bad writing.

[CaptainCanada]

It's just how Frank likes to do things... it doesn't have anything to do with good or bad writing.
No, it's bad writing. It's no praise at all to be competent in comparison to the morons around you.

[the goddamn batman]

No, it's bad writing. It's no praise at all to be competent in comparison to the morons around you.

Whatever dude. Frank does what Frank wants, and if you don't like it, then fine. Doesn't make it bad writing.

[IamtheRock3]

wait a Second he just started drawing during comic con...REALLY

didnt know he was that far behind

[the goddamn batman]

You guys saw this right?

http://gelatometti2.blogspot.com/2007/04/all-star-batman-and-robin-update.html

[Captain Jim]

issues 5 and 6 are DONE. I'm knee deep in issue 7. Rather than come out with 5 when it was done, the decision was made to hold up issues and stockpile them so when they do start coming out, that there won't be any holdup between issues.

I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not. This is what they should have done before they ever solicited the first issue! If they're waiting for him to finish the whole run up before they release any more, by the time it happens, nobody may care.

[OverMaster]

I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not. This is what they should have done before they ever solicited the first issue! If they're waiting for him to finish the whole run up before they release any more, by the time it happens, nobody may care.

It's funny how this book's staff can top each past mistake with an even more glaring one no matter how much we keep thinking they can't top themselves.

[Phil Hunn]

Whatever dude. Frank does what Frank wants, and if you don't like it, then fine. Doesn't make it bad writing.

Yes it does. Miller makes virtually every female character he writes into a whore. Just because he does it very often, doesn't make it okay.

That, to my mind, is bad writing.

[Punch]

Yes it does. Miller makes virtually every female character he writes into a whore. Just because he does it very often, doesn't make it okay.

That, to my mind, is bad writing.

Really?
Elektra?
Martha Washington?
Carrie Kelly?
Casey?

If you're going to use Sin City as an example then that's pretty bad form, considering it's book about hookers in the first place.

[the goddamn batman]

Yes it does. Miller makes virtually every female character he writes into a whore. Just because he does it very often, doesn't make it okay.

That, to my mind, is bad writing.

Also,
Shelly?
Miho?
Marv's mom?
the girl in Ronin?
Black Canary?
Wonder Woman?
Ester?
Viki Vale?

and, the fact that a lot of the women in Sin City are prostitutes means nothing, beacuse the male characters in that book aren't exactly role model material either. ;)

Frank makes a choice in how he wants to spotlight the main character in a book. That isn't bad writing. You might not like it. But that simply doesn't make it bad writing. It's a stylistic choice... not an inability to write well.

If Frank is such a bad writer... why is he one of the best writers in comics? Why are most of his books considered classics?

[Phil Hunn]

Really?
Elektra?
Martha Washington?
Carrie Kelly?
Casey?

If you're going to use Sin City as an example then that's pretty bad form, considering it's book about hookers in the first place.

Which is exactly my point. Why did he feel the need to make all the female characters into prostitutes in the first place - and Claremontian ass-kicking, gun-toting prostitutes, at that? Hell, even the innocent little Nancy's day job involves taking her top off in front of sweaty men.

He turned Catwoman into an ex-whore in Batman Year One. Freakin' Catwoman.

And he retconned Typhoid Mary into being a whore before she turned into Typhoid Mary (Man Without Fear shows her being accidentally shoved out of a window by Matt Murdock, when a bunch of whores throw themselves at him as he blunders into a brothel while in pursuit of his father's killer).

300's female characters are ready to prostitute themselves for personal gain (Leonidas' wife offers to sleep with somebody in return for aid, as I recall).

[the goddamn batman]

Which is exactly my point. Why did he feel the need to make all the female characters into prostitutes in the first place - and Claremontian ass-kicking, gun-toting prostitutes, at that? Hell, even the innocent little Nancy's day job involves taking her top off in front of sweaty men.

Because I don't think SIN City would be the same if everyone wasn't a drug addicted, drunk, crazy, homcidal, sociopathic, gun toting bad ass/hooker. ;)

He turned Catwoman into an ex-whore in Batman Year One. Freakin' Catwoman.

Yeah, well they can't all be winners. Again, I think the point there was to accentuate the shit that is Gotham City.

300's female characters are ready to prostitute themselves for personal gain (Leonidas' wife offers to sleep with somebody in return for aid, as I recall).

In the MOVIE. Not the book. That's a Zach Snyder move not Frank. ANd it was a pretty classic sub plot. She did what she had to to at any cost to help her husband... despite how lame it was.

Still, not Frank's doing. Also, she didn't do it for money, which excludes her from being a prostitute.;)

[CaptainCanada]

Frank makes a choice in how he wants to spotlight the main character in a book. That isn't bad writing. You might not like it. But that simply doesn't make it bad writing. It's a stylistic choice... not an inability to write well.
It's bad writing; a bad writing style.

If Frank is such a bad writer... why is he one of the best writers in comics? Why are most of his books considered classics?
His 80s stuff is considered classic. His newer stuff is terrible.

[the goddamn batman]

His 80s stuff is considered classic. His newer stuff is terrible.

300 isn't 80's. Sin City isn't 80's. And anything newer than that (despite it's quality) isn' old enough to be a classic yet. Takes a little while to be a classic. Not that I think DKSA is classic. I like it, but not a classic.

[CaptainCanada]

Do people actually consider 300 and Sin City "classic"? There's absolutely nothing particularly interesting about either.

[the goddamn batman]

Well, not to you anyway. But, I don't think the entire world goes by your opinion. Nor mine. But, I'd say 300 is pretty damn good. The art alone makes it one of my favorite comics I own.

[Punch]

People may consider 300 classic, I don't, was never crazy about it really. Same goes for the Sin City series after TYB.

Even if all his women are whores, (they're not) it's still you're prejudice to not see past that. They're still women with hopes and personalities all their own.

And as far as Catwoman goes, I don't see any evidence that she was a prostitute. I'm not saying she wasn't, I don't care if she was, but we never see her act as one. For all we know(and the evidence points to this) she was just a dominatrix type. She's fully clothed when we see her "working".

[the goddamn batman]

Well, it really is those first four Sin City books that are the best.

I'd call That Yellow Bastard a classic. It's certainly one of Frank's strongest works. IMO.

[OverMaster]

Viki Vale?

With the way she was almost willing to sell herself to Bruce Wayne, is there really much of a difference there? :p

[the goddamn batman]

With the way she was almost willing to sell herself to Bruce Wayne, is there really much of a difference there? :p

Fair enough, though, my only point was that she isn't a prostitute.

[RBHarmon]

Personally I think what ever magic Miller had with DKR and his run on Daredevil simply isn't with him anymore. He has become almost like his imitating himself of something. He will always sell because he is who he is but as far as I'm concerned his work has really taken a dive.