Abrupt Changes pre and post OYL

[Jason_Bourne]

I'm having an argument with a friend regarding the batman books.
This is the way I see it,...pre one year later,

Batman was:
- dealing with the return of his ex-dead partner Robin/Jason Todd/Red hood
- fighting the Joker

In the final prewar issue, he has to choose between killing Jason Todd and saving the Joker or saving himself. (correct me if i'm wrong, I can't remember the full details). It ends with the whole place blowing up.

One year later.

Batman is:
- fighting Grotesk
- dealing with a terror attack on Wayne Tower.

There is no explanation to how he, the joker, red hood survived. Yes its been one year but 52 is probably not going to explain this.

Batgirl is evil, but reading just the Batman books, you wouldn't even know that Batman cares. Even in other books, theres just a reference to how he is 'hurt' by her.

Some of the new stories are good but the fact that the main Batman book doesn't deal with any of the most important issues makes me feel conned out of my personal investment of time and money to get the prewar books.

I ask you guys....is this important? Or should I just play the fool and forget it all happened? In which case, whats the point of reading if stories don't end?

What are your thoughts?

[elias_A]

Well, if you didn't like that Batgirl turned evil, and wonder why Bruce didn't care :
Welcome to the club.

DC claim the World War 3 event will answer all yet unanswered questions about OYL.

And if there are any answers for the Jason/ Red Hood stuff you should probably get them in Green Arrow or other titles written by Winick, because Jason seems now to live there.
But I didn't read that, so I don't know if any explanation was given.

[jerrymcl89]

I think it's clear that what Winick was writing pre-OYL was all a buildup to Dick Grayson dying and Jason Todd becoming Nightwing and leading the Outsiders. The last minute decision not to have that happen seems to have pulled the rug out from under a lot of plans, and the adjustment has not been smooth.

[Choppa]

Some explanation for the explposion would be nice.

[batmite76]

Details... details... don't bother the editors with details... [lol]

[Starba]

I'm having an argument with a friend regarding the batman books.
This is the way I see it,...pre one year later,

Batman was:
- dealing with the return of his ex-dead partner Robin/Jason Todd/Red hood
- fighting the Joker

In the final prewar issue, he has to choose between killing Jason Todd and saving the Joker or saving himself. (correct me if i'm wrong, I can't remember the full details). It ends with the whole place blowing up.

One year later.

Batman is:
- fighting Grotesk
- dealing with a terror attack on Wayne Tower.

There is no explanation to how he, the joker, red hood survived. Yes its been one year but 52 is probably not going to explain this.

Batgirl is evil, but reading just the Batman books, you wouldn't even know that Batman cares. Even in other books, theres just a reference to how he is 'hurt' by her.

Some of the new stories are good but the fact that the main Batman book doesn't deal with any of the most important issues makes me feel conned out of my personal investment of time and money to get the prewar books.

I ask you guys....is this important? Or should I just play the fool and forget it all happened? In which case, whats the point of reading if stories don't end?

What are your thoughts?

It's not just the Batman books, not by a long shot. The change over to mostly unknown writers or writers with no investment in the pre-OYL set-up really made the transition jarring across the board. The goal of that was to reboot the DCU bringing out the best and most iconic of all the heroes, but most readers would agree that few of the OYL books were successful even in that regard.

It would have been interesting to see the same strategy put into effect using the same writers from before the jump. Books like BoP, Manhunter, Blue Beetle, and Catwoman that retained their creative teams made the best out of the situation, I think.

[Joe Acro]

It must not have taken long for Batman to drag himself out of the rubble as he appeared near Nightwing shortly thereafter in Infinite Crisis.