I knew it! Nintendo is holdin back the Wii!

[Mr. Ifix'em]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/27/wii-shortage-is-intentional-according-to-gamestop/

thats why don't see many wiis in store shelves. people aren't buying them. they're actually just not making them!

add to the fact that the PS3 just blew the Wii out in Europe with great consoles selling! this proves the Wii is nothing more than an over hyped gimmick.

[Xero Kaiser]

"I don't think it's going to be an issue...and this just my opinion, but I think [Nintendo] intentionally dried up supply because they made their numbers for the year.

hmm.....no

[DrDoomX]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/27/wii-shortage-is-intentional-according-to-gamestop/

thats why don't see many wiis in store shelves. people aren't buying them. they're actually just not making them!

add to the fact that the PS3 just blew the Wii out in Europe with great consoles selling! this proves the Wii is nothing more than an over hyped gimmick.

Wow....the Wii is an overhyped gimmick? Well one to be honest the quote is from the COO of Gamestop, , but its not the official story from Nintendo...second, if it was overhpyed, well then why is the Wii outselling the PS3, and they came out about the same time. And by the way I would like to see where you got the information on the PS3 European Launch blowing Wii out of the water....hmmmm.
Again, donot make something official when it is not. That statement was from the COO of Gamestop, not Nintendo...yeesh...

[Black Atom]

The Wii was outselling the PS3 3-to-1 at one point. That means that even with Nintendo allegedly holding back product, they were still stomping Sony a new bunghole. What's your point?

[Kevin M.]

The Wii was outselling the PS3 3-to-1 at one point. That means that even with Nintendo allegedly holding back product, they were still stomping Sony a new bunghole. What's your point?

Here is a site that is showing the sales of all three systems. Here is the Link (http://nexgenwars.com/)

[Sanagi]

Yeah, this makes as much sense as the idea that Sony hosed their own PS3 sales on black thursday in order to increase demand.

[Fish Sauce]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/03/23/1174153291466.html

The launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 games console got off to a feeble start last night with officials, media and security outnumbering customers for most of the evening.

Over 500 retailers around the country threw open their doors as the clock struck 12:00am, expecting the frenzy that accompanied the games console's overseas debuts.

But most stores were virtually deserted, despite the 20,000 pre-orders Sony said it had received.

Even at the official launch event held at Myer's Pitt Street store in Sydney's CBD and attended by Sony's local managing director, Michael Ephraim, media and security outnumbered PS3 fans until at least 11:00pm.

At midnight, about 40 PS3 buyers had arrived to collect their consoles, causing distress for the army of camera crews who turned up expecting to capture launch mayhem.

Desperate producers unashamedly asked the crowd to fake excitement when the cameras were rolling, while a team from 2Day FM let out bogus cheers to convince their radio listeners that a launch extravaganza was underway.

The scene was a stark contrast to the US launch in November last year, where one man was shot by thieves and fights broke out over limited stock.

In Britain, where the PS3 was also launched today, two major Oxford Street stores in London - Game and HMV - cancelled their launch events amid police fears of muggings.

Danny Zarka, 31, was first in line to collect his PS3, which was handed to him personally by Mr Ephraim and Myer CEO Bernie Brookes.

The advertising executive from Pyrmont was shocked because he had arrived after 9pm, yet still found himself at the front of the queue.

"I'm surprised there aren't more people here, I thought the place would be packed," he said.

The PS3 launches with a total of 30 games, each with a recommended retail price of $99.95.

One of those games is Gran Turismo: HD, which Sony is offering free - as a download from the Playstation Network - to all PS3 buyers.

And Sony said the first 20,000 people to register their PS3 online would receive a free copy of the latest James Bond movie Casino Royale on Blu-ray disc.

From today, Sony will launch into its $6 million marketing campaign, which it hopes will convince the public that the PS3 is not just a games machine but an all-in-one home entertainment system.

The campaign will stress the inclusion of a high-definition Blu-ray disc player, sleek design, 60GB hard drive, web browser and, most importantly, the PS3's ability to act as a multimedia hub for organising photos, music and movies.

[Black Atom]

Here is a site that is showing the sales of all three systems. Here is the Link (http://nexgenwars.com/)

My bad. 2-to-1.

[Captain Trips]

The Wii was outselling the PS3 3-to-1 at one point. That means that even with Nintendo allegedly holding back product, they were still stomping Sony a new bunghole. What's your point?

And the PS1 and PS2 stomped a bunghole all over Nintendo for a decade. So what?

While I don't have a Wii, I have friends who do and they love it. I have a PS3 and love it. Personally, I am glad that there are several great systems out there that I can purchase and enjoy. I know that buying every system isn't an affordable option for everyone, but the fact that there is more than one thing to choose from is a good thing. I hope Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all continue to make great consoles for us to enjoy.

Taking sides in the console wars is something everyone is free to do, but, personally, I don't see the point.

[BlairH]

add to the fact that the PS3 just blew the Wii out in Europe with great consoles selling!

http://www.playfuls.com/news_06689_PS3s_French_Debut_A_Total_Disaster_95_o f_Consoles_Left_Unsold.html

That's just not true. In France there were reports that 95% of machines remained unsold. In my store, there are around 30-40 PS3 machines still sitting in the stock room. You are -yet again- making stuff up. I have also yet to see you reply to my posts in the DMC thread.

Stop making stuff up! Official Sony propaganda is more convincing.

Listen. I'm not averse to the PS3 in any way, and I don't regret my decision to by one. What I am averse to, however, is bullcrap and lies, whether you believe them or not.

[Thorlief]

you Sony fanboys should look here and shut your mouth

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/

Captain trips, you dont want to join a console war then you say the PS2 and PS1 stomped the GC years ago. Surprise, we're not talking about it but about the PS3 -which is bombing around the world big time and this is a fact, actually

and lets not even talk about the DS/ PSP story..Sony is having one helluva hard time right now in the videogame market, accept it or not

[Mr. Ifix'em]

http://www.playfuls.com/news_06689_PS3s_French_Debut_A_Total_Disaster_95_o f_Consoles_Left_Unsold.html

That's just not true. In France there were reports that 95% of machines remained unsold. In my store, there are around 30-40 PS3 machines still sitting in the stock room. You are -yet again- making stuff up. I have also yet to see you reply to my posts in the DMC thread.

Stop making stuff up! Official Sony propaganda is more convincing.

Listen. I'm not averse to the PS3 in any way, and I don't regret my decision to by one. What I am averse to, however, is bullcrap and lies, whether you believe them or not.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23781

What you going to say now? huh? huh?

the ps3 stormed the uk! look at the numbers. they don't lie.

SO YES! THE PS3 JUST BLEW THE WII AND 360 OUT OF THE WATER.

Told you so. it's not bullcrap or lies.


pwn3d!

[Black Atom]

And the PS1 and PS2 stomped a bunghole all over Nintendo for a decade. So what?

Ancillary point to this conversation, but that's because Nintendo dropped inferior devices. They deserved to be stomped. If Sony doesn't act like they want to compete with actual achievements instead of regurgitated hardware gimmicks, they'll suffer the same fate. Really, though, Sony should be more worried about Microsoft (which has them at 5 to 1, BTW) than Nintendo.


While I don't have a Wii, I have friends who do and they love it. I have a PS3 and love it. Personally, I am glad that there are several great systems out there that I can purchase and enjoy. I know that buying every system isn't an affordable option for everyone, but the fact that there is more than one thing to choose from is a good thing. I hope Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all continue to make great consoles for us to enjoy.

Taking sides in the console wars is something everyone is free to do, but, personally, I don't see the point.

If hoping the PS3 dies an untimely death so the best games end up on a cheaper console that has made better use of its hardware and online support, then I guess I'm taking sides. I'm not about to be suckered into paying extra for media hardware I'm not interested in because of video games I want to play.

[Thorlief]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23781

What you going to say now? huh? huh?

the ps3 stormed the uk! look at the numbers. they don't lie.

SO YES! THE PS3 JUST BLEW THE WII AND 360 OUT OF THE WATER.

Told you so. it's not bullcrap or lies.


pwn3d!

and it still didnt sell out, unlike the Wii. And its only UK, not europe. And I want to see official charts before making any statement.

[BlairH]

and it still didnt sell out, unlike the Wii. And its only UK, not europe. And I want to see official charts before making any statement.

What he said.

The PS3 is only "the UK's fastest selling games console" because there was sufficient stock to meet demand (which is a positive thing, I guess). There's now hundreds of units sitting in stock rooms, and nobody wants them. They're just not selling as well as we hoped. I'll wager that you'll see a massive drop in demand untill around August/September.

And I've still to see a reply to the points made in the DMC4 thread. Do you concede the point?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i wonder how many wii's are gonna sell by this december?

[Xero Kaiser]

Probably a lot. The heavy hitters like Metroid Prime, Mario and Smash Brothers should have dropped by then.

[BlairH]

i wonder how many wii's are gonna sell by this december?

A big number with a lot of zeroes at the tail end.

[Mike Pothier]

I really hope this guy is being paid by Sony, cause it would be just sad otherwise.

[BlairH]

I really hope this guy is being paid by Sony, cause it would be just sad otherwise.

Given the veracity of his arguments, I'd say it's more likely he's in the employ of Microsoft or Nintendo.

[Robotech Master]

Whenever Wii shipments arrive, they sell like Candy, such that in the case of every huge line that builds up next to a store, roughly half of that line walks away SOL. This happened to me several times, and when I finally *did* get my Wii, half the people in the line I was standing in were too late to be guaranteed one.

Whether Nintendo is holding back the Wii or not is a completely moot point, because if they hypothetically were holding out, but then stopped and sent those units all out to stores, then those people who had to walk away empty handed would have bought them and they *still* would have been sold out. It also wouldn't change the current sales figures, as those figures are dependent on--who would have guessed--the individual sales, not the number of stores that sold out of their supply (even if the two are related in terms of potential sales).

[Kevin M.]

Whenever Wii shipments arrive, they sell like Candy, such that in the case of every huge line that builds up next to a store, roughly half of that line walks away SOL. This happened to me several times, and when I finally *did* get my Wii, half the people in the line I was standing in were too late to be guaranteed one.

Whether Nintendo is holding back the Wii or not is a completely moot point, because if they hypothetically were holding out, but then stopped and sent those units all out to stores, then those people who had to walk away empty handed would have bought them and they *still* would have been sold out. It also wouldn't change the current sales figures, as those figures are dependent on--who would have guessed--the individual sales, not the number of stores that sold out of their supply (even if the two are related in terms of potential sales).

Come the end off the year, the stores will not be able to stock up on WIIs and 360's fast enought.

[Blueferret]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/27/wii-shortage-is-intentional-according-to-gamestop/

thats why don't see many wiis in store shelves. people aren't buying them. they're actually just not making them!

add to the fact that the PS3 just blew the Wii out in Europe with great consoles selling! this proves the Wii is nothing more than an over hyped gimmick.

Did you read the article you quoted? The COO said nothing about people not buying the WII. In fact he stated the opposite, that they don't have enough to sell to customers and that he feels that Nintendo is doing it intentionally. He's probably right, if Nintendo has made their numbers for the year, then they can trickle product out until April when their new fiscal year begins. The COO is expecting a flood of product in April.

[Thorlief]

it might actually be true, and a weird but effective strategy. just think about it: people are basically dying to get a Wii, and the hype is rocketeering because of huge shortages. By the moment they hit the stores they will seel out instead of forming strange babel's towers a la PS3

[Alex]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23781

What you going to say now? huh? huh?

the ps3 stormed the uk! look at the numbers. they don't lie.

SO YES! THE PS3 JUST BLEW THE WII AND 360 OUT OF THE WATER.

Told you so. it's not bullcrap or lies.


pwn3d!


Hey fanboy!
My 360 is getting all your exclusives, enjoy blu ray!

[Alex]

it might actually be true, and a weird but effective strategy. just think about it: people are basically dying to get a Wii, and the hype is rocketeering because of huge shortages. By the moment they hit the stores they will seel out instead of forming strange babel's towers a la PS3

It's a bad strategy in that the system is cheap enough that it can be an impulse purchase.
I was all about buying a wii, lined up the day it came out, and didn't get a system due to shortages.
How many months have passed and i haven't even seen one for sale. So i bought a 360, and now i'm not so hyped on the wii.
I'm sure there are tons and tons of people who will still snatch them up, but there have to be some people like me who, getting over the excitement, are taking a wait and see approach.

[SAMAS]

Rule of thumb:

Sony "Shipped" = We sent this many units out to retailers.

Microsoft "Sold" = Retailers bought this many units to sell

Nintendo "Sold" = This many units were purchased by customers.

One of these days, I'm going to find the source of this.

[Gargus]

Wow alot of non facts being thrown around here like they were candy. This is how rumors start, a flame war with a bunch of kids who want to be pro this or anti that and start saying stuff like they actually know whats going on.

HIllarious and yet oh so pathetic.

Hate to break it to you guys but your not industry analysts.

And how do I know this? Because it went from stupid original topic on the wii to the ps3 sales in UK.......how did it get there?

[BlairH]

Hate to break it to you guys but your not industry analysts.
Are you?

And how do I know this? Because it went from stupid original topic on the wii to the ps3 sales in UK.......how did it get there?
Because it's relevant.

[Jmacq1]

Wow....the rampant denial among some people that PS3 is shaping up to be a near-term failure is amazing to me.

Doesn't mean it's impossible for it to recover and still be a presence in the market, and has no bearing on whether or not it's a good gaming system. But facts are facts. The PS3 is currently the worst-selling of the 3 "Next Gen" systems on the market in terms of overall worldwide sales. Doesn't mean it might not be doing better in some countries than others (Though even in Japan Wii is beating it), but when you total them all out, it's still running in 3rd place.

But I'm just bitter because that one Sony Exec owes me approximately $2,000,000 in $1200 dollar "bounties" for all the PS3s I've found on the shelves and won't pay up! ;)

[Captain Trips]

you Sony fanboys should look here and shut your mouth

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/

Captain trips, you dont want to join a console war then you say the PS2 and PS1 stomped the GC years ago. Surprise, we're not talking about it but about the PS3 -which is bombing around the world big time and this is a fact, actually

and lets not even talk about the DS/ PSP story..Sony is having one helluva hard time right now in the videogame market, accept it or not

Dude, chill out. I was making a point that I think it's silly that people take sides on things like this. Sony dominated the gaming market for a decade, and now Nintendo is taking the lead. So what? It doesn't affect me personally, and I wasn't laughing at Nintendo back then and telling those who owned N64s that they need to "shut their mouths" because Sony was selling more systems. I just think that is petty and dumb.

[Captain Trips]

Ancillary point to this conversation, but that's because Nintendo dropped inferior devices. They deserved to be stomped. If Sony doesn't act like they want to compete with actual achievements instead of regurgitated hardware gimmicks, they'll suffer the same fate. Really, though, Sony should be more worried about Microsoft (which has them at 5 to 1, BTW) than Nintendo.

And you missed the point of my post. I just don't understand why people get so wrapped up in these things and get so angry about it. The more choices we have as consumers, the better it is for us.



If hoping the PS3 dies an untimely death so the best games end up on a cheaper console that has made better use of its hardware and online support, then I guess I'm taking sides. I'm not about to be suckered into paying extra for media hardware I'm not interested in because of video games I want to play.


Good for you. If the PS3 isn't for you then don't buy it. Simple enough. Mocking those that do and attempting to rub it in their faces that the Wii is selling better is just petty and childish. You're entitled to your opinion, and I wasn't disputing that. Again, I just don't see why people can get so emotionally invested in these things.

[Thorlief]

Dude, chill out. I was making a point that I think it's silly that people take sides on things like this. Sony dominated the gaming market for a decade, and now Nintendo is taking the lead. So what? It doesn't affect me personally, and I wasn't laughing at Nintendo back then and telling those who owned N64s that they need to "shut their mouths" because Sony was selling more systems. I just think that is petty and dumb.


it IS dumb, but then why you need to reiterate the fact the PS2 dominated? We all know it

[Captain Trips]

it IS dumb, but then why you need to reiterate the fact the PS2 dominated? We all know it

Right. And the fact that Sony was in the lead for so long helped push Nintendo to make a better system. So we as consumers benefited from that. Nintendo is doing just fine now, and hopefully all of this will cause Sony and Microsoft to put out their best products as well. That's all I was trying to say. I'm really not trying to pick a fight with anyone.

[Mr. Ifix'em]

What he said.

The PS3 is only "the UK's fastest selling games console" because there was sufficient stock to meet demand (which is a positive thing, I guess). There's now hundreds of units sitting in stock rooms, and nobody wants them. They're just not selling as well as we hoped. I'll wager that you'll see a massive drop in demand untill around August/September.

And I've still to see a reply to the points made in the DMC4 thread. Do you concede the point?

Well if you read the thread carefully the moderator kick me out with a warning so to avoid trouble i'm not going back i don't want to have any problems with the modems so please dont use bait me into trouble.

Now why don't YOU answer and reply to the link I provided in which it clearly states that the PS3 broke records in the UK.

are you the one turning a blind eye?

[Kevin M.]

Well if you read the thread carefully the moderator kick me out with a warning so to avoid trouble i'm not going back i don't want to have any problems with the modems so please dont use bait me into trouble.

Now why don't YOU answer and reply to the link I provided in which it clearly states that the PS3 broke records in the UK.

are you the one turning a blind eye?

I think he knows that. He is saying that it only sold like that in the UK, not the rest of Europe.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

It could sell a bajillion units...it still won't change the PS3's lack of games worth playing. Most of it's good games are found on the 360, and run/look better on the 360. Not to mention they've been out on the 360 for a long time. Sure there's Resistance, but Gears of War squashes it. And Motorstorm doesn't even have split screen multiplayer, some killer app.

I own all three next-gen consoles. The PS3 has become a waste of space, literally collecting dust.

[DrDoomX]

I try my hardest to not take sides, and usually i buy all three systems but this time I am quite content with my Wii and 360. The PS3 does not have anything really interesting to me say the least, and to be honest, its not looking good. Its losing exclusives left and right, and there are far many more rumors of those few exclusives being lost, such as MGS4, FFXIII, and Tekken 6. And yea, look at this time say six years ago, earlly 2001. There were no PS2s around, it was like it was with the 360 a year ago, and now with the Wii.

Like I said, again the poster also forgot to mention the fact that this was mentioned by a Gamestop employ. And by the way, the PS3 may be doing well in the UK, Europes a whole bigger then that!

[Black Atom]

And you missed the point of my post. I just don't understand why people get so wrapped up in these things and get so angry about it. The more choices we have as consumers, the better it is for us.

As a generic statement, I guess that's true, but in a scenario where there is no such thing as exclusive games (a very real possibility this gen) I'm curious to see how the PS3 will hold up as a viable "choice".


Good for you. If the PS3 isn't for you then don't buy it. Simple enough. Mocking those that do and attempting to rub it in their faces that the Wii is selling better is just petty and childish. You're entitled to your opinion, and I wasn't disputing that. Again, I just don't see why people can get so emotionally invested in these things.

I'm not rubbing anyone's face in anything. My initial statement was in reply to the poster of this thread.

[BlairH]

Well if you read the thread carefully the moderator kick me out with a warning so to avoid trouble i'm not going back i don't want to have any problems with the modems so please dont use bait me into trouble.
The mod simply asked you not to be so aggressive. It's possible to try and refute my claims without calling me a "X-Bot!" The only thing I'm baiting you into is answeing the questions I asked you in the other thread. That's all. If you don't want to, that's cool, but I'll take your silence as you conceding the points.

Now why don't YOU answer and reply to the link I provided in which it clearly states that the PS3 broke records in the UK.
I did. Judging by the amount of stock left in the store, it's also set the record for the highest number of unsold launch day consoles ever.

[Captain Trips]

As a generic statement, I guess that's true, but in a scenario where there is no such thing as exclusive games (a very real possibility this gen) I'm curious to see how the PS3 will hold up as a viable "choice".

I think that with the costs of creating games becoming so high, that the time of exclusivity with third-party developers is coming to a close. I only ask this question because I don't know the answer: How many Xbox exclusive titles are there besides ones that are developed by Microsoft (like Halo)? I know the situation with Sony's exclusives (or the ongoing saga of them losing them) simply because I own a PS3 and I follow what games are coming out for it. I know a lot of games that are out on the 360 are becoming available for the PS3 (or are already out). This isn't bad for someone like me who hasn't played some of these games yet (like Elder Scrolls). So although Sony may be losing exclusive titles, those games are still coming out for the system. I understand the point that the 360 is cheaper, but the third-party developers are still making games for both systems. Until they stop doing that (which could happen) I don't see the nails going into Sony's coffin. And like I have said repeatedly, I hope that doesn't happen.

As far as the Wii goes, I am sure I am going to get one at some point. Probably around the time I get my raise. I have a Gamecube I still play plus I keep my Dreamcast around simply for Marvel vs. Capcom 2.



I'm not rubbing anyone's face in anything. My initial statement was in reply to the poster of this thread.

Then please accept my apology. Again, I think that having choices as a consumer is a good thing. I'd like to see all 3 systems do well and offer their own unique services even though it doesn't make it easy on the bank account.

[Perry Holley]

The mod simply asked you not to be so aggressive. Exactly.

And I would also like to ask everyone to take a few deep breaths before potentially losing your cool and saying something stupid. I realize these "my console's penis is bigger than your console's penis" threads tend to get a bit heated, but quite frankly that's no excuse for ripping into someone just because they dare to have a differing opinion.

[Mike Pothier]

But with a name like Wii, you KNOW Nintendo's penis is bigger. Duh.

[DrewTheXenocide]

Now, I don't know how Perry did not see that one coming.

[Xero Kaiser]

But with a name like Wii, you KNOW Nintendo's penis is bigger. Duh.

Ehhh...with a name like "Wii" I wouldn't be expecting much under the hood

[Black Atom]

I think that with the costs of creating games becoming so high, that the time of exclusivity with third-party developers is coming to a close. I only ask this question because I don't know the answer: How many Xbox exclusive titles are there besides ones that are developed by Microsoft (like Halo)? I know the situation with Sony's exclusives (or the ongoing saga of them losing them) simply because I own a PS3 and I follow what games are coming out for it. I know a lot of games that are out on the 360 are becoming available for the PS3 (or are already out). This isn't bad for someone like me who hasn't played some of these games yet (like Elder Scrolls). So although Sony may be losing exclusive titles, those games are still coming out for the system. I understand the point that the 360 is cheaper, but the third-party developers are still making games for both systems. Until they stop doing that (which could happen) I don't see the nails going into Sony's coffin. And like I have said repeatedly, I hope that doesn't happen.

After the whole DMC4 debacle, people started asking if Capcom's Lost Planet and Dead Rising would be coming to PS3 and they said they'd remain exclusive, but all NEW titles would be multi-platform, so there's that. But I certainly don't think Sony's dying anytime soon, but I think they'll have to find a unique niche to compete this time around or they'll slip into the dreaded "distant third" slot.


As far as the Wii goes, I am sure I am going to get one at some point. Probably around the time I get my raise. I have a Gamecube I still play plus I keep my Dreamcast around simply for Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

Most of the games I own are on the Dreamcast.


Then please accept my apology. Again, I think that having choices as a consumer is a good thing. I'd like to see all 3 systems do well and offer their own unique services even though it doesn't make it easy on the bank account.

No apology necessary. I tend to criticize consoles and games pretty harshly because, like most of us here, I'm passionate about the industry but I don't want anyone to take any of that personally. Hell, I had a Turbo Grafx for chrissake.

[Xero Kaiser]

I remember being like 9 or 10 years old and running all the way across the base just to play Bonk at this completely random shop that had a TG for some reason.

Someone make a new Bonk game

[supremecomicgeek]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/27/wii-shortage-is-intentional-according-to-gamestop/

thats why don't see many wiis in store shelves. people aren't buying them. they're actually just not making them!

add to the fact that the PS3 just blew the Wii out in Europe with great consoles selling! this proves the Wii is nothing more than an over hyped gimmick.

This does not deny the awesomeness of the Wii!!:cool:

[Perry Holley]

Now, I don't know how Perry did not see that one coming.Penis jokes > fanboy posturing.

[Black Atom]

I remember being like 9 or 10 years old and running all the way across the base just to play Bonk at this completely random shop that had a TG for some reason.

Someone make a new Bonk game

I wouldn't mind a Bonk revival. For being the flagship character of such an obscure console, Bonk was pretty awesome.

[Mike Pothier]

Ehhh...with a name like "Wii" I wouldn't be expecting much under the hood

Ahh, but its antonymic, like calling a huge guy "Tiny".

Wii: Pleased to meet you guys, my name's Wii.

*360 and PS3 snicker*

ZZZZZZZIP

*thud*

[Alex]

But I'm just bitter because that one Sony Exec owes me approximately $2,000,000 in $1200 dollar "bounties" for all the PS3s I've found on the shelves and won't pay up! ;)

That interview is responsible for me renewing my subscription to game informer.

[kel25]

Ahh, but its antonymic, like calling a huge guy "Tiny".

Wii: Pleased to meet you guys, my name's Wii.

*360 and PS3 snicker*

ZZZZZZZIP

*thud*

Followed by more laughing of the Xbox 360 and PS3. Sorry, I'm not trying to start a flame war but gaming magazines and game developers have all stated that the Wii uses old tech and offers little power compared to other systems.

The only thing the system has going for it is a new style of controller, some major names, and fanboys. There will be plenty of games that will be multi-console between Xbox 360 and PS3 but not the Wii. Why? Because the Wii can not handle the things those systems can. If it could you would have seen Devil May Cry, Assassin's Creed, GTA IV...

Now don’t get me wrong. I am NOT saying the Wii is a bad system. All I’m saying is it isn’t as powerful as it’s competitors.

[DrDoomX]

Followed by more laughing of the Xbox 360 and PS3. Sorry, I'm not trying to start a flame war but gaming magazines and game developers have all stated that the Wii uses old tech and offers little power compared to other systems.

The only thing the system has going for it is a new style of controller, some major names, and fanboys. There will be plenty of games that will be multi-console between Xbox 360 and PS3 but not the Wii. Why? Because the Wii can not handle the things those systems can. If it could you would have seen Devil May Cry, Assassin's Creed, GTA IV...

Now don’t get me wrong. I am NOT saying the Wii is a bad system. All I’m saying is it isn’t as powerful as it’s competitors.

Actually Nintendo themselves have admitted to this as well, and have note saying that it was intentional as to focus on implementing the Wii mote and such.

I am having a blast with my Wii, as much as I have a blast with my 360. I think honestly graphics are the least of my worries for my thoughts. Graphics can be a great bonus ala Gears of War, but its the gameplay that matters, and with my Wii I have been getting a lot of great gameplay...

[kel25]

Actually Nintendo themselves have admitted to this as well, and have note saying that it was intentional as to focus on implementing the Wii mote and such.

I am having a blast with my Wii, as much as I have a blast with my 360. I think honestly graphics are the least of my worries for my thoughts. Graphics can be a great bonus ala Gears of War, but its the gameplay that matters, and with my Wii I have been getting a lot of great gameplay...

I agree that gameplay is a major selling factor and I really hate that many games lately have been more about selling graphics than offering gameplay. A prime example of this is Motorstorm. Great graphics, great game engine, and a complete lack of anything that is typical to a racing game from the past decade.

[DrDoomX]

I agree that gameplay is a major selling factor and I really hate that many games lately have been more about selling graphics than offering gameplay. A prime example of this is Motorstorm. Great graphics, great game engine, and a complete lack of anything that is typical to a racing game from the past decade.

Exactly, and the funny thing is...the Wii is outselling the PS3 and the PS3 is from what I understand the most powerful of the big 3 as far as Graphical Capabilities go...

So yes, Nintendo is showing to us that in the end its the gameplay that matters, not how many cell processors a console has....

[The Fury]

Here is a site that is showing the sales of all three systems. Here is the Link (http://nexgenwars.com/)

Sorry, I'm late t the whole conversation but have does this link include the new European sales and is there one that shows PS2 sales since X-box 360's launch?

[BlairH]

from what I understand the most powerful of the big 3 as far as Graphical Capabilities go...
Actually, that's not quite true. It's a fairly common assumption, and it's true that the PS3 has some very powerful hardware. Since I like to do my bit to put the truth "out there" regarding the PS3 (I love cutting through, marketing bullcrap) I've posted this a couple of times on the board:

-PS3 has a higher CPU throughput when used effectively, with its single PowerPC core and 8 SPE's in the Cell processor. The SPE's are the digital signal processing cores for number crunching - although in the PS3 only 7 are used, 1 is left redundant. And an SPE is always used for the core system code and another has to be relinquished when required by the system.

-Despite the PS3 having higher CPU computational power, with only one PowerPC core it takes good use of the SPE's to ensure even spread throughout them to get them all working effectively (constantly improving to better dev tools though to split number crunching tasks between them all evenly) but at the moment it's easier for developers to fully utilise the three full PowerPC cores in the 360 processor.

-XBOX360 has approximately 20% more rendering capability with it's ATI Xenos Graphics, compared to the PS3's nVidia RSX. It's about 74 gigapixels for the PS3 compared to 94 gigapixels for the 360. The Xenos has 48 pipelines, which can be configured in groups of 16 as either pixel or shader - compared to the RSX's 24 pixel pipelines and 8 shader pipelines. So the complexity of the graphics rendered can be higher on the 360. (One example of a cross-platform game is the new Ridge Racer - which has more scenary objects detail on the 360 compared to the PS3)

-XBOX360 GFX can access all the 512MB of memory, PS3's GFX can only access 256MB of the total 512MB. For that reason more memory can be devoted to textures, and quite a few games show the 360 to have much sharper visuals than the PS3 equivalent.

Really, it's hard to say which system will be better - the PS3 has more CPU power, the 360 has better GFX rendering and internal archetecture.

Conclusion: It's all about the games!

So yes, Nintendo is showing to us that in the end its the gameplay that matters, not how many cell processors a console has....
Technically speaking, the PS3 just has one.

[Xero Kaiser]

and I really hate that many games lately have been more about selling graphics than offering gameplay

..."lately"? Game companies have been pimping their graphics since day one. It's easy to forget that since we don't see those games in the same light anymore, but this is nothing new.

[DrDoomX]

No offense, but I was not asking for specs or anything. My statement was mostly for the sake that Gameplay is more important. I will conceded in your statement that you were right about the 360 and PS3 being mostly the same as far as graphical capablities, but then again the stats were not neccesary.

I was stating that again gameplay is what matters, and that is what the Wii is doing. It is appealing to none gamers and hardcore gamers, which is something graphics donot really do. Look at Wii sports, my wife loves that game, and she hates videogaming in general. Its the fact that Nintendo brought this innovative style of gameplay, and though they donot have the best graphics, that does not matter....thats what my statement meant, sorry if it was read differently...

[BlairH]

thats what my statement meant, sorry if it was read differently...

Not at all. You -quite rightly- stated that gameplay is king. The reason I responded with the critique of the PS3's technology was that it's a common misconception that it's the "most powerful" console. It's a misconception that most people hold to be true, but it isn't so (despite the massive price tag).

[BlairH]

..."lately"? Game companies have been pimping their graphics since day one. It's easy to forget that since we don't see those games in the same light anymore, but this is nothing new.

Do you remember "Another World"? Published in 1991, and boasted -quite possibly- the best graphics seen on a home system at the time.

[SAMAS]

I agree that gameplay is a major selling factor and I really hate that many games lately have been more about selling graphics than offering gameplay. A prime example of this is Motorstorm. Great graphics, great game engine, and a complete lack of anything that is typical to a racing game from the past decade.

On the other hand, that last part may not be a bad thing. :D

[BlairH]

On the other hand, that last part may not be a bad thing. :D

Yeah! Who needs split screen 2 player anyway?

[SAMAS]

Yeah! Who needs split screen 2 player anyway?

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of Rubber Band AI, but that's supposed to be one of the things Motorstorm does have.

[mgs]

maybe they're trying to save their parts for an upcoming Wii 2??!? O.o

nah, nah, just kidding. *reading the other responses* It's just a matter of marketing, distributing and making a product. ;)

[Mike Pothier]

Followed by more laughing of the Xbox 360 and PS3. Sorry, I'm not trying to start a flame war but gaming magazines and game developers have all stated that the Wii uses old tech and offers little power compared to other systems.

Dude, that was a joke based on the name, not the power under the hood. I wasn't even thinking about the tech.

And of course the Wii uses old tech. I knew that, Nintendo knew that, and they made sure everyone else did from day 1. And guess what? The PS3 uses old tech too. By the time any technology hits the market, its already outdated. The key is getting the right amount of tech for the right pricetag that a consumer is willing to buy. This is more apparent on the handhelds, but is true of consoles as well.

So anytime a person (not you ;) ) says "Drrr, teh wii is old tech!!!11!" My response is "uhh... no s***."

The only thing the system has going for it is a new style of controller, some major names, and fanboys. There will be plenty of games that will be multi-console between Xbox 360 and PS3 but not the Wii. Why? Because the Wii can not handle the things those systems can. If it could you would have seen Devil May Cry, Assassin's Creed, GTA IV...

And because of the controller, not many Wii games will come out for the PS3/360, so its a good trade-off. As long as the Wii keeps gaining more steam, its gonna get more and more exclusives in the future. Sure, the graphics won't be as great, but they'll be good enough once the developers start getting a real handle on the hardware.

Besides, I think most people underestimate what the Wii can do. I think the Wii could handle the next GTA if R* really wanted to port it. Sure, it won't be as shiny cause they'll have to sacrifice here and there, but its definitely within the realm of possibility.

Now don’t get me wrong. I am NOT saying the Wii is a bad system. All I’m saying is it isn’t as powerful as it’s competitors.

And everybody knows that.

[DrDoomX]

Not at all. You -quite rightly- stated that gameplay is king. The reason I responded with the critique of the PS3's technology was that it's a common misconception that it's the "most powerful" console. It's a misconception that most people hold to be true, but it isn't so (despite the massive price tag).

Glad to straighten that out...I understand though what you did and in the end respect.

Like I said I am gald that others are choosing the innovative play of the Wii and the Great Online play of the 360 over the overhyped overpriced and very disappointing PS3...