WWE RAW Review: "McMahon Aggression "

[SUPERECWFAN1]

To the shock of many Joey Mercury finally blew his top today. Tired of being jerked around by the company for the better part of 2 years , he finally went ape shit backstage. One sites already confirming that Mercury tried assaulting Stephanie McMahon. MNM is done as he was fired on the spot !

Onto RAW...
The Good

The show opens with Coach in the ring annoucing that tonights Lashley/McMahon match won't go as planned. Fans boo as he then annouces a NO DQ match involving the 2 and no outside interferance. Then the music hits as Stone Cold , Steve Austin hits the ring. He details that for the past week Coach has been sending him gifts and all to make a right decision.

Austin claims he's gonna call it down the middle and if Lashley tries anything he won't stop to toss him outta the corner by his ears and whup some ass ! The same goes for Umaga as he demonstrates in a corner as well.

They finish as Coach tries to get on Steve's good side. He however ends up pissin him off as he gets the KICK WHAM , STUNNER !! Then a beer bash as quick.

Backstage Steve gets in his pickup truck and goes to leave as he runs into Vinnie Mac arriving. Vince tries to be nice to Stone Cold but recieves a middle finger for the answer. After this Vince drags the limo driver out and kicks his ass. Substitute Mercury here and you can picture this is what Vince wants to do to Joey Mercury.

Jullian Hall is crossin over from Smackdown and teams with Melina and Victoria against Torrie Wilson,Candace Michelle and Ashley. Candace steals the show people....by god is that outfit legal ? Dammmnnn I mean visually stealing the show from the proposed person recieving a Diva push is wild.

Ashley's not so good in ring still . But they have Melina there so she won't look as terrible as she would against a Victoria ( as we see tonight) . Its a decent 6 man tag as Ashley gets the win.

Now its time for the CM Punk RAW audition. Tonights show is to see more or less how Punk does on the live A Show. And boy...did he bring the goods as the fans went massively crazy over this guy. He's the guy they really gotta decide whether to keep on New ECW and push him as that brands savior or move him. ( if he stays on New ECW he'll overshadow Lashley and thats a risk to him . Whats alarming is even with barely using him weeks back...he continues to overshadow Lashley ! )

The match against Kenny was pretty decent. The 2 exchanged some offense and did some good moves. The Chicago fans love The Punk. He nails the GO TO SLEEP on Kenny as fans make the count as well ! Post match Edge shows up to diss on Punk as the 2 seem destined to have a solid mic battle now.

Now its time for the 8 man MIB III Cutting Edge show. The 8 men are in ring as Edge is our host. He verbally castrates Matt Hardy . He delivers a good slap on Edge at the end. Then he goes to King BBOOOOOKKKKAAAA !! The King calls those with him peasants and all as Finley yanks the mic from Booker and is there for a f-ckin fight. Not this woman verbal battle. He calls Edge chisel chin.

Then the moment Erik I'm sure is shocked. Randy Orton gets a pop ! Yep Orton gets a mix of cheers and boos as he cuts a good mic promo against Edge saying he's ducked people for a month. Hell has frozen over as Randy Orton's career is saved.

Then we get Mr. KEEEEENNNNNNNEEDDDYYY. He gets cut off as the mic is yanked back by Edge. Who says " Yeah yeah , we know your name by now ."

Edge gets to Jeff Hardy as he does his silly wave and claims thats all he ever does anyhow. Jeff actually gets mic time and says it best that he's gonna steal the show as usual. Because no one does it better in a Ladder Match at Wrestlemania than him.

Finally it gets to CM Punk as the fans sorta make the decision for Edge. Punk has a smile on his face as Edge mocks his addiction to compitition line. As Punk says thus far all Edge's proven is he's addicted to running his mouth. Then he gets pushed into everyone as the wild brawl starts. The faces clear the ring as Edge watches , grinning at what he caused. They chase after him soon as they look up at him.

Backstage Maria interviews John Cena. Chicago is split on Cena like they were Orton. Punk is king of Chicago thus far. But John gets the mic and just cuts one hell of a slowly building intense promo. Cena's the man promo wise. He's so far ahead of Lashley and Batista mic wise.

Vince strides to the ring as now its time for him to face Lashley. If only Vince could clone himself and fued against Lashley on a weekly basis to keep him over as he wants. Soon he gets the mic as he guarentees he will pin Lashley. He then starts waving men down as Cade & Murdock run down and jump Lashley. Bobby destroys em with ease. Then as punishment for Mercury cleary , Nitro gets destroyed in quick fashion and even eats Lashley's finisher !

Of course had they ended it here it would have made Lashley look like f-cking Goldberg ! A pure ass kicking machine bent on destruction. But alas they got too smart for their own good.

Backstage we see Vince walking to his limo as Todd Grisham asks about his win. He taunts Todd and then has Eugene show up wearing a blond wig play Donald Trump. Poor Eugene as he feels his bald head and all.

The tag match is Mr.Kennedy/Randy Orton vs The Hardyz. The Hardyz are pretty popular as we see. I do feel for Matt , he's a better wrestler than Jeff but he just doesn't have the mic skills . Its a shame. Jeff I think can be charsimatic on the mic , he just needs mic time.

Anyhow Orton and Kennedy seem over matched til the end as Matt ends up tasting the sweet RKO from Randy Orton.

Jim Ross finally gets inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. We see a ton od clips and all as everyone praises Ross . Putting him over. I wonder what Kevin Dunn is thinking now ? Because after this your gonna have a hard job trying to replace Ross as he wanted.

Now I gotta question this....Khali vs Ric Flair ? Is this for real ? It last about a minute as Khali wants to kill Ric and Carlito makes the save. He starts killing Carlito as out comes Kane as those 2 start brawling. Khali gets scared and runs for the hills at the end.

Shawn cuts a decent promo as he says that Cena's all the guys he's ever faced wrapped into one. Dear lord....John Cena is THE BEYONDER now !

Its time for the Main Event as its Cena/HBK vs Taker/Batista. Lets play a game , how many rods is Batista hitting ? He nearly looks like he's gonna take a heat stroke walking to the ring ! No lie...his face looks like he's ran a 3 mile course as the sweat pours. If this guy takes a Wellness Test he's f-cked.

The match rolls along as near the end , Undertaker walks out on Batista paying him back for No Way Out . This leaves Batista ( The Incredible Hulk ) alone against Cena ( The Beyonder) and Shawn Micheals (Spiderman). The Beyonder f-cks up by giving Spiderman cosmic powers to beat the Hulk and ends up taking sweet chin music ! Shawn Micheals finally for the LOVE OF GOD turns heel . THANK GOD YES.

He does his cocky bragging as he taunts the fallen Cena after Batista wins. We watch Shawn do that smile as he walks up the rampway. This is the HBK we want. Not what we saw for weeks on TV. Loving John Cena. The fans seem pretty split on this turn.


The Bad Vince has always had this fault. At times he wants to look better on screen than his talents. Its both a hinderance and a help at times. Here he fell into the trap of deciding he should get old fashioned against the odds heat on Lashley and it goes against who or what Bobby Lashley was being built up the company to be.

Lashley should not have been destroyed. This man's supposed to be your next Goldberg. He should be kicking ass totally on all cylinders heading into Wrestlemania. This is whats hurt Lashley booking wise. He can't barely beat C-Level jobbers on the ECW Brand and the moment you got him destroying on a roll , catching on you go back to this old booking.

OVERALL: *** Outta 5. We get a good cross-over this week as we watch Punk/Kenny and Hardyz/Kennedy & Orton . Plus the awesome opening with Austin and Edge and the MIB III contenders stealing the show with a great promo. Decent show leading into Wrestlemania 23.

[Alex L]

If the turn had been a few weeks earlier...

Both turns, in fact.

[Super Macho Man]

Wait, wait wait. That counts as a Taker turn?

[DWEarhart]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't see how Nitro getting slammed by Lashley is "clearly" punishment for Mercury's foul up?

No way Taker turned. Taker can do no wrong in the fans eyes. Batista's the one that's been getting heat from the fans for his actions.

Orton's career isn't exactly saved, but he's a hell of alot better off than he has been in years. Kennedy also got some mixed reactions.

[titanfan]

Yeah, it wasn't a 'Taker turn. Undertaker was getting revenge for No Way Out when Batista did the same thing to him.

[Alex L]

Yeah, it wasn't a 'Taker turn. Undertaker was getting revenge for No Way Out when Batista did the same thing to him.

I thought they evened things out a few weeks back.

So Taker leaving raises the betrayal rate to 2:1?

Mind you, I haven't seen SD in weeks so I go off of what I hear, not what I've seen.

[DWEarhart]

I thought they evened things out a few weeks back.

So Taker leaving raises the betrayal rate to 2:1?

Mind you, I haven't seen SD in weeks so I go off of what I hear, not what I've seen.

I think it's 3:2 or 4:3, Taker.

Taker chokeslammed Batista after the Royal Rumble.
Batista ditched Taker at No Way Out.
Taker threw Finlay at Batista when Batista was on commentary during Smackdown.
Batista no showed for their tag match during this last Smackdown.
Taker ditched Batista tonight

I think I'm missing one or two things.

[Super Macho Man]

I think I'm missing one or two things.
Batista got Taker DQ'ed vs. Kennedy at a Smackdown before Royal Rumble.

[DaveEB]

Kind of a "mixed bag" Raw for me. Some parts were good others were eh...FAR too much build for that damnable hair match...made me have to find something else to do...But there was some decent stuff on this one.

Anyone else think we won't be seeing the Highlanders again because Eugene looks like one of them now?

[DWEarhart]

Kind of a "mixed bag" Raw for me. Some parts were good others were eh...FAR too much build for that damnable hair match...made me have to find something else to do...But there was some decent stuff on this one.

Anyone else think we won't be seeing the Highlanders again because Eugene looks like one of them now?

One tag match for a 4 hour pay per view. Nuff said.

[DaveEB]

I think it's 3:2 or 4:3, Taker.

Taker chokeslammed Batista after the Royal Rumble.
Batista ditched Taker at No Way Out.
Taker threw Finlay at Batista when Batista was on commentary during Smackdown.
Batista no showed for their tag match during this last Smackdown.
Taker ditched Batista tonight

I think I'm missing one or two things.

Batista showed up after the match(last Smackdown) and eventually threw someone into Taker while he was doing a powerbomb...

[marshal99]

Lashley shouldn't be booked like Goldberg. I already hated it when he is booked to win in a handicap match against Orton & Kennedy , he should be booked as a powerhouse but not a indestructible one .

I think i see Taker winning and Cena retaining now , Cena will retain until summerslam when HHH comes back and take back the title.

[DWEarhart]

I think it's 3:2 or 4:3, Taker.

Taker chokeslammed Batista after the Royal Rumble.
Batista ditched Taker at No Way Out.
Taker threw Finlay at Batista when Batista was on commentary during Smackdown.
Batista no showed for their tag match during this last Smackdown.
Taker ditched Batista tonight

I think I'm missing one or two things.

Batista got Taker DQ'ed vs. Kennedy at a Smackdown before Royal Rumble.

Batista showed up after the match(last Smackdown) and eventually threw someone into Taker while he was doing a powerbomb...

There we go.

Ah yeah, the REAL TEAM 3D.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Lashley shouldn't be booked like Goldberg. I already hated it when he is booked to win in a handicap match against Orton & Kennedy , he should be booked as a powerhouse but not a indestructible one .


They've tried booking Lashley as a normal guy and its not worked. His matches once they hit the slow down phase gets the boring chants. So they have someone who is best hot when he comes in and destroys. We've seen that. They have a Goldberg style wrestler with Lashley...so thats where he works best at.

[marshal99]

But he's not , Lashley has never been , to book him as Goldberg-lite now would be a wrong thing to do. Lashley lacked that kind of presence , Goldberg is a arrogant egostical unsafe clown but he does has a presence and intensity about him.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

But he's not , Lashley has never been , to book him as Goldberg-lite now would be a wrong thing to do. Lashley lacked that kind of presence , Goldberg is a arrogant egostical unsafe clown but he does has a presence and intensity about him.

Are you sure of that ? Because the weeks where they had him show up and throw himself thru a cage to destroy Umaga and have him destroying Masters in 2 to 3 minutes as well as Kennedy on Smackdown show...he was getting the Goldberg treatment booking wise.

Now before this they tried the normal face act with Test,Holly and Orton and it didn't work. The boring chants would start and the fans just couldn't buy into Lashley taking punishment. They did however wanna see him hit the ring and just start ass whuppin someone. The fact he got a good heat filled match with Masters using the Goldberg technique showed , thats where the gold with him lies.

He should be destroying guys til they give him his 1st tough oppenant on a PPV.

[marshal99]

Lashley have the same exact problem as Shelton Benjamin , neither one can work the mic , neither one are charismatic and neither one have a "character" in the ring. They are great wrestlers but they lacked a certain quality that will bring them to the next level.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Lashley have the same exact problem as Shelton Benjamin , neither one can work the mic , neither one are charismatic and neither one have a "character" in the ring. They are great wrestlers but they lacked a certain quality that will bring them to the next level.

Well truthfully neither did Goldberg. He was a generic guy til he started that win streak WCW capitalized on. Then the music and all helped. He'd walk down , snarling....spitting ...like a real monster. Lashley's bigger and more ripped. He reminds me of a Mike Awesome in a way.

Have someone become his manager and do the mic work. Leaving Lashley to give that confident smile and ass whuppin Goldberg style.

[marshal99]

Well truthfully neither did Goldberg. He was a generic guy til he started that win streak WCW capitalized on. Then the music and all helped. He'd walk down , snarling....spitting ...like a real monster. Lashley's bigger and more ripped. He reminds me of a Mike Awesome in a way.

Have someone become his manager and do the mic work. Leaving Lashley to give that confident smile and ass whuppin Goldberg style.

And that's what's wrong with the picture , Lashley goofy ass smile , same thing with Benjamin goofy ass smile.
Goldberg has always been intense , when they showed him backstage , him cutting promos and in the ring. He's always in character. He always looks like he wants to chew somebody out.
Lashley is like deputy dawg , smiling his goofy smile and then trying to be serious in the ring. It doesn't quite work.

[The Zapper]

At least a tag team didn't get pwnd by Cena/Michaels. Granted it was Taker and that other guy that can hardly move, but still, good to see them get a beating for once.

[clayholio]

Anyone else think we won't be seeing the Highlanders again because Eugene looks like one of them now?

Time to re-institute the 6-man tag titles!!!

The McMahon/Lashley thing was kind of weird, with the two pins. Oh well. If the boss wants to pin you twice, you let him pin you twice.

My only gripe with HBK taking this long to turn on Cena is that we don't get the obligatory post-heel-turn explanation promo as part of the Wrestlemania build. And if anyone can knock that promo out of the ballpark, HBK's the man.

It was nice to see Punk show up for Chicago, although part of me was expecting him to be a new member of a very exclusive club. It was also nice to see the response to Jim Ross getting into the Hall of Fame.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I just watched the main event a few minutes ago and Chicago hates Cena even more than Los Angeles. Damn. The anger towards that guy at every offensive move against the Undertaker was so vicious. I loved it. The Undertaker once again outpopped everyone in the match and everyone who put their hands on him got no reaction as in Michaels case or just outright ULTRA boos like John Cena aka the unstoppable Champion of 2007 or according to him now, "the most charismatic performer ever". So Michaels turns on Cena and that leaves the obvious question answered..Cena is retaining. What matters is that Undertaker is winning the belt and that's gonna be worth getting this on DVD.

CM Punk got a damn near "Eddie US title celebration" reaction last night in his hometown. They treated him like the star of the show over all the big pushed favorites for the Money in the Bank but Edge was on fire on the mic. He had a line for everyone but King Booker put him in his place too. Hell, King Booker got more heat than Edge did when he got on the mic. Comedy.

Orton and Kennedy beat the Hardyz and you can hear a few marks for both teams. Apparently Blandy is my odds on favorite to win with how he's pretty much being pushed hard...again.

Lashley gets punked out just like we all figured and that will lead to his victory over Umaga and McMahon hopefully disappearing from television after he loses his hair.

Carlito/Flair got shafted from the WM card? They got 4 hours and only 8 matches? SAD. BTW, Candice Michelle was more over than anyone else in that Divas match. Chicago did a complete 180 for the Princess this time around. I've noticed since she turned face though that fans are really behind her.

Austin had a good promo as well as he stunned Coach into oblivion. Chicago loves Austin the same way Cali loves the Rock. Nice to see him back in the city that turned him face to begin with.

What can I say? Very good Raw. They had fun segments and good build all night. It's a DAMN SHAME it took this long for Cena and Michaels to finally have some kind of physical intereaction though. Not my concern though since I don't pay for Cena/Michaels headlined events but I'm guessing Taker gets destroyed this Friday to let Batista look strong for the week. All well that ends well. But with no Mickie on Raw, WGTT/London-Kendrick shafted from the WM card, and Cryme Tyme apparently getting an "Austin-like" pop during the Heat matches, the writing is still off the wall long term.

And that's what's wrong with the picture , Lashley goofy ass smile , same thing with Benjamin goofy ass smile.
Goldberg has always been intense , when they showed him backstage , him cutting promos and in the ring. He's always in character. He always looks like he wants to chew somebody out.
Lashley is like deputy dawg , smiling his goofy smile and then trying to be serious in the ring. It doesn't quite work.

When Lashley's in heel mode, he looks like the most evil guy in the business. He doesn't smile...he doesn't pander to the crowd...he's just a monster heel that slaps everyone around. Shelton is well aware of how easy things come to him compared to the rest of the roster and he would have his cocky smile as well. Why not? When you are a 245lb wonder athlete who can do a 450 splash for the pure hell of it, you would be smiling at every turn too.

[titanfan]

And that's what's wrong with the picture , Lashley goofy ass smile , same thing with Benjamin goofy ass smile.

Imho, they've finally started to change Lashley's personality. Instead of being serious and intense all the time, they are trying to make him more loveable and have him smile more. I think it's better for him as he is probably a friendly guy in real life. I'm not sold on his ring work either. Don't get me wrong, it's clear that he's willing to work during a match and he's athletic and isn't a botching all the time--but at the same time, he has yet to "Wow" me during any of his singles matches. He really needs a "break through" match to wow people and I hope that Umaga is the one that can give it to him.

There are only going to be 8 matches in the 4 hour card of Wrestlemania? Wow, I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

Are they trying to get Melina fired? Seriously, when was the last memorable lumberjack match anyone had? Now in addition to working with Ashley, she has to worry about getting all those lumberjill spots stuff in. Ashley has been beating Melina (with Mickie James interference) in house shows, I think this is pointing to an Ashley win even more. Jillian Hall and Ashley have gotten their spots to work together well though.

Poor Lita gets insulted even after leaving the company....Matt Hardy's mic skills were noticeably *atrocious* during the Cutting Edge segement. Can't someone send him to acting class or something?

Lashley have the same exact problem as Shelton Benjamin , neither one can work the mic , neither one are charismatic and neither one have a "character" in the ring. They are great wrestlers but they lacked a certain quality that will bring them to the next level.

Give Lashley a manager. I agree that Teddy Long is a good choice if Vicky is going to be the new Smackdown GM. At this point, Shelton isn't going anywhere, just bring in his Aunt XXXX as his manager and make him a comedy character.

[Scott Evil]

...Poor Lita gets insulted even after leaving the company....Matt Hardy's mic skills were noticeably *atrocious* during the Cutting Edge segement. Can't someone send him to acting class or something?

Ok- someone please help me out here. I tried to sit through the Cutting Edge segment, didn't know they were going down the line. Edge starts shooting on Matt, but I turn my back to the TV for few. Next thing I know all I hear is Matt saying "...just like your ex-girlfriend!" Crowd POPS.

What happened? What did he say? I know Matt's not the promo god (JBL has that..) but w/ their obvious history it had to be a good burn.

BTW: Said it on the main thread; Finlay rules the mic. I saw Orton try to grab it from the Irishman and he just kept going. You go boy-o!

[handOFfate]

So far in the MITB we've got three guys who have no chance of winning: both Hardyz and Finlay (not and never will be main event players). we've got three guys who are not likely to win it: CM Punk (too early), Edge (doesnt need it) and King Booker (ditto). So that leaves Kennedy and Orton. I would have laid down serious money weeks ago that Kennedy had it locked up, but now i'm not so sure. It looks like WWE is making one last push to put Randy over. It does make MITB more interesting now that we don't have a sure-fire winner.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The WWE has gotta decide what to do with Punk and Nitro soon enough. Where do they go with both men following Wrestlemania. If Punk stays on New ECW he's always gonna over shadow Lashley as a face and have people going " So why isn't he ECW World Champion since he's so popular ?"

[titanfan]

Ok- someone please help me out here. I tried to sit through the Cutting Edge segment, didn't know they were going down the line. Edge starts shooting on Matt, but I turn my back to the TV for few. Next thing I know all I hear is Matt saying "...just like your ex-girlfriend!" Crowd POPS.

What happened? What did he say? I know Matt's not the promo god (JBL has that..) but w/ their obvious history it had to be a good burn.

Matt said something like: "...I'll make sure you spend Sunday lying flat on your back...just like your ex-girlfriend!"

[titanfan]

The WWE has gotta decide what to do with Punk and Nitro soon enough. Where do they go with both men following Wrestlemania. If Punk stays on New ECW he's always gonna over shadow Lashley as a face and have people going " So why isn't he ECW World Champion since he's so popular ?"

Well, Punk is in a storyline--I assume that he will end up choosing a side at Wrestlemania and maybe cause the originals to lose. If ECW isn't live, they can always add the canned applause in for certain individuals like they do on Smackdown.

Who knows what Mercury's firing does to Nitro, though.

[Jamal]

He had a line for everyone but King Booker put him in his place too. Hell, King Booker got more heat than Edge did when he got on the mic. Comedy.

Anybody else notice Finley trying not to laugh when King Booker starter talking?

[Scott Evil]

Matt said something like: "...I'll make sure you spend Sunday lying flat on your back...just like your ex-girlfriend!"
Thanks dude. That'll help me sleep well at night...

...JUST LIKE YOUR EX-GIRLFRIEND!

Hey! It does work! Just kidding :p I might have to use that around my friends now. Matt's terrible on the mic, but he's got some good ones sometimes.

Well, Punk is in a storyline--I assume that he will end up choosing a side at Wrestlemania and maybe cause the originals to lose. If ECW isn't live, they can always add the canned applause in for certain individuals like they do on Smackdown.

Now to think of it, WM is the perfect jumping off point for the next few ECW programs. My idea:

Book it so MITB goes before the New Breed v Originalz, have the NB (hehe - NewBie) interfere MITB for Punk, but instead causes Punk to lose the match (botched spot, distraction, or hell, just throw in ARIEL). FFW to NB v OG match, Punk comes out, crowd thinks he's there for revenge. When its down to, say, Burke v RVD for the ultimate winner; Punk TURNS and knocks RVD out w/ a top rope GO TO SLEEP when RVD's prepping for the 5*! (sounds nasty if ya think of it)

YOUR WINNERS: THE NEW BREED! With the help of its newest recruit in their fight against geriatrics: C. M. PUNK.

[SnowTrooper]

RAW last night was awesome. I loved how the biggest pops of the night were for Austin, Punk, and 'Taker. Mixed crowd for Orton and Kennedy(during the Cutting Edge segment) surprised me, I dont know if its the amount of heel heat Edge has or if Orton and Kennedy are just getting too face for being heels.

When Cena and 'Taker were in the ring exchanging blows you could kinda make out how the girls were cheering for Cena and the guys were booing him. I love it when that happens, hopefully it will at Wrestlemania.

Punk has used the Go2Sleep to win about 5 or 6 matches so far and they have yet to say its name on TV. I wont be surprised if they call it something generic like the Take-A-Nap.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Give Lashley a manager. I agree that Teddy Long is a good choice if Vicky is going to be the new Smackdown GM. At this point, Shelton isn't going anywhere, just bring in his Aunt XXXX as his manager and make him a comedy character.

Shelton Benjamin isn't going anywhere because they don't want him to go anywhere. Wouldn't matter if they brought in a manager or not...Khali is pushed down throats even though nobody gives a damn about him. Umaga is in the most promoted match of 2007 and he has never been as over as Shelton was in 2004-05. They CHOSE to give Umaga an undefeated streak even though he got no heat and no reaction for months and months and months. That led to their reasoning for giving him a title shot against Cena two months straight. Yeah..Cena vs Umaga at Rumble '07 is a praised match but honestly, be realistic, if you put Cena vs Shelton Benjamin in a 2/3 falls or stipulation match, it would completely BLOW the Umaga/Cena effort away. Booking buried Shelton Benjamin and it's always been as simple as that.