Why is New Excalibur not part of Endangered Species?

[Neverwinter]

I do not read New Excalibur but Joe Quesada recently announced the checklist for the upcoming Endangered Species storyline at Newsarama.com and while Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, New X-Men, and X-Factor will participate, New Excalibur will not be involved. :confused: I'm wondering why that is. Any thoughts? Correct me if I'm wrong but from my point of view, New Excalibur has more iconic and classic X-Men as members than either New X-Men and X-Factor.

See below for JQ's statement:

Question: I don't like coming into a story mid-arc if it can be avoided, so could you please reveal exactly what issue numbers in Uncanny X-Men, New X-Men, and X-Factor will be starting the Endangered Species backups so that those of us not getting them currently can know when exactly to start reading them?

JQ: Sure thing, Dalarsco. First you're going to want to pick up the Endangered Species On- Shot on sale June 20th. The back-up stories begin in the huger than huge X-Men #200. After that it goes in Uncanny X-Men #488, X-Factor #21, and New X-Men #40. And then so on and so forth.

[Pach!]

Well he's just talking about the backstories that lead into the crossover. If anything it's good that NEX is not included so that people that don't buy that book don't miss anything (It is the lowest selling X-book which means that a more people don't read NEX than the others)

[jarrod]

It's probably due to location (ie: they're not in New York) and the fact that Claremont just returned (so thrusting a mandatory crossover on him may not be the best course of action). There's also the possibility that Claremont doesn't want involvement, given he's planning his own crossover in his books soonish.

[jarrod]

Is NEX the lowest seller? I thought it was still around 30k monthly (despite the half year of medicore fill-ins) which would generally put it ahead of of C&D at least?

[blinkinrogue]

It's probably due to location (ie: they're not in New York) and the fact that Claremont just returned (so thrusting a mandatory crossover on him may not be the best course of action). There's also the possibility that Claremont doesn't want involvement, given he's planning his own crossover in his books soonish.


yes, that is certainly the most probable reason.

[Beast]

Endangered Species isn't the crossover. It's just the gearing up for the crossover. The actual crossover doesn't start until November. There's a few reasons for NEX not playing a part in the crossover.

For one, the team is in England. So they're not around when the crap hits the fan. For another, Claremont was ill during the period that the planning stages were being put together for the crossover this fall. As we've seen with how he carried ideas over from Morrison's NXM to X-Treme, he's certainly not against playing with the new ideas from other writers. And finally, NEX will be busy with their own crossover with Exiles at the same time.

While it's not taking part in the actual crossover, the status quo changes that occur as part of event will effect them. We've already been told as much. Because it will effect mutants as a whole. Not just the ones in the U.S.

[kate-pryde]

It's too bad that New Excalibur can't be involved in some way - maybe just a cameo appearance. It always bugged me how the classic Excalibur was never really a part of crossovers and didn't interact with the other teams.

[Hi-Fi]

I'm glad NEX wont be a part of the crossover. Four books should be the limit, in my opinion, and it makes sense that it will be with the four teams located in the US.

[streator]

I'm glad NEX wont be a part of the crossover.

seconded. .

[Beast]

It's too bad that New Excalibur can't be involved in some way - maybe just a cameo appearance. It always bugged me how the classic Excalibur was never really a part of crossovers and didn't interact with the other teams.
We'll have to see. There might be at least a chance for a refrence to NEX in the crossover and/or vice versa. Carey's pretty respectful of the other books. But like I said, they're be busy enough themselves, especially after the 7-issue storyline that leads right into the mini-series crossover with Exiles.

[jarrod]

It's too bad that New Excalibur can't be involved in some way - maybe just a cameo appearance. It always bugged me how the classic Excalibur was never really a part of crossovers and didn't interact with the other teams.
Yeah, it always seemed strange given they had stronger direct ties to the then current X-Men than either X-Factor or the New Mutants. I think the fear was, if Kitty/Kurt/Rachel found out the X-Men were still alive, they'd disband Excalibur and just return home.

Drove me nuts during X-Tinction Agenda though... some the X-Men and New Mutants are going to be paraded around as prisoners on international television and Excalibur just sit on their butts in the lighthouse? Seriously?

[Brian M.]

I do not read New Excalibur but Joe Quesada recently announced the checklist for the upcoming Endangered Species storyline at Newsarama.com and while Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, New X-Men, and X-Factor will participate, New Excalibur will not be involved. :confused: I'm wondering why that is. Any thoughts? Correct me if I'm wrong but from my point of view, New Excalibur has more iconic and classic X-Men as members than either New X-Men and X-Factor.

See below for JQ's statement:

Question: I don't like coming into a story mid-arc if it can be avoided, so could you please reveal exactly what issue numbers in Uncanny X-Men, New X-Men, and X-Factor will be starting the Endangered Species backups so that those of us not getting them currently can know when exactly to start reading them?

JQ: Sure thing, Dalarsco. First you're going to want to pick up the Endangered Species On- Shot on sale June 20th. The back-up stories begin in the huger than huge X-Men #200. After that it goes in Uncanny X-Men #488, X-Factor #21, and New X-Men #40. And then so on and so forth.

You wanna know why NEX is not in Endangered Speices?

/petergriffin

Becuase you touch yourself at night

end/petergriffin

[CmX]

NEX isn't part of the crossover because the editors don't want CC to fuck it all up.

That's why. :)

[Beast]

NEX isn't part of the crossover because the editors don't want CC to **** it all up.

That's why. :)
Language! This is an all ages board you know. :p

[jarrod]

NEX isn't part of the crossover because the editors don't want CC to fuck it all up.
Sure, because he's done so horribly in previous X-overs...

[Nachturne]

Well, the day after was pretty crap, as was Uncanny HoM

[Mikey Brown]

NEX isn't part of the crossover because the editors don't want CC to fuck it all up.

That's why. :)
DING DING DING!!!! We have a Winnah!!!!

[jarrod]

Well, the day after was pretty crap, as was Uncanny HoM
Uncanny HOM was fine, no better or worse than most other HOM tie-ins, and as a bonus it actually had some relevancy to it's own continuing storylines.... though the artist changeover halfway through gives it bit more disjointed feel. Really wish Davis would've finished it out, the dimensional flux and English setting and cast was really up his alley.

The Day After was basically an editorially driven set up piece though, more than a real story in itself. Claremont used to be the go to guy for those sorts of things, though now it seems they've convinced Carey to step up.

As far as cross overs (official or not) Claremont's one of the few recent X-writers to really bother to even cross reference others' work. Hell, Xtreme built itself beautifully as a counter point to Morrison's New X-Men, it felt more relevant to Morrison's work than the intended sister book even (Casey/Austin's outright terrible Uncanny). I expect Carey, Yost and Kyle in particular would leap at the chance to work with Claremont on something.

[Nachturne]

From what I have heard from "people on the inside" no one really wants to work with the man.

[Beast]

The Day After was basically an editorially driven set up piece though, more than a real story in itself. Claremont used to be the go to guy for those sorts of things, though now it seems they've convinced Carey to step up.
Agreed. Claremont was simply tasked with setting up the new status quo and direction of the entire X-Franchise with "The Day After". And I thought it was a good read myself. Much like all of his stuff post HoM, it had much more passion to it. Maybe due to the new direction for the X-Books post Decimation. There was a lot of good toys for writers to play with now. Hence why we got stuff like End of Greys, etc.

[jarrod]

From what I have heard from "people on the inside" no one really wants to work with the man.
Given what we all know of your past experiences with Claremont himself, you seem to hear exclusively what you want to and not much else. ;)


Agreed. Claremont was simply tasked with setting up the new status quo and direction of the entire X-Franchise with "The Day After". And I thought it was a good read myself. Much like all of his stuff post HoM, it had much more passion to it. Maybe due to the new direction for the X-Books post Decimation. There was a lot of good toys for writers to play with now. Hence why we got stuff like End of Greys, etc.
End of Greys was fantastic... I'd really love to see Claremont and Bachalo team up on something again, they had amazing synergy. Bachalo still speaks really highly of Claremont and the whole experience. Real shame about Wand'ring Star though, I hope we get the real story on what was suppossed to happen on that one someday... having Tan on art certainly didn't help matters.

[Beast]

From what I have heard from "people on the inside" no one really wants to work with the man.
Ah yes, the magical "Inside sources". People always love pulling out that little gem. Heh.

[Beast]

Given what we all know of your past experiences with Claremont himself, you seem to hear exclusively what you want to and not much else. ;)



End of Greys was fantastic... I'd really love to see Claremont and Bachalo team up on something again, they had amazing synergy. Bachalo still speaks really highly of Claremont and the whole experience. Real shame about Wand'ring Star though, I hope we get the real story on what was suppossed to happen on that one someday... having Tan on art certainly didn't help matters.
Heh. Ain't that the truth. Did you catch the one post that was deleted?

And yeah, shame about Wand'ring Star. But Editorial nixed Rachel heading into space for revenge.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

NEX isn't part of the crossover because the editors don't want Endangered Species to f**k up a seven part arc, which leads into the New Excalibur/eXiles crossover.

That's why. :)

Corrected...


That's the main reason. Chris Claremont had a specific plan for New Excalibur's first year. He never got to write it. It's not exactly his fault - you can't predict when you're going to have to take 6 months off through ill health.

During House of M Wanda Maximoff's reality change caused ever dimension in the multiverse to rupture its seams, letting one universe flood into another. It was decided that Earth 616, as the route of the trouble, would have to be destroyed unless it were put right - for the good of the rest of the Multiverse. Captain Britain left his throne as Monarch of Otherworld to try and put things right. He, along with most of what would later become New Excalibur, succeeded in closing the rift on earth 616 and thereby half solving the problem.

The major problem now is that since that issue Captain Britain has been unable to get back to Otherworld. We don't know for sure that the Multiverse is fixed, and ever since the seams of reality split people have been turning up on 616 who shouldn't be there.

First it was the Shadow King, who had been trapped on a parallel earth since Psylocke's death, with him trapped inside her mind. He had enslaved that dimension's X-Men and upon finding the rift used that dimension's Xavier as a host body to take him back home.

Then there was Albion.

When a Captain Britain is created in any given across the multiverse the chosen individual is offered two paths. 1) The path of the Amulet of Right - the role of defender, the path of protector or 2) The path of the Sword of Might - The path of death, destruction and all round bad stuff.:D

All the Captain presented by Alan Moore, Alan Davis and Chris Claremont have always taken the 1st option - the Amulet. They have had multiversal energy filtered into them and been transformed into a card carrying member of Roma's Captain Britain Corps - designated protector of their given universe...

That was all we'd ever seen. Until Kelsey Leigh...

Kelsey Leigh was the Captain Britain of The Avengers, up until the Disassembled storyline a couple of years ago. When offered the choice, she chose the Sword - and seemingly a life of being ostracised from her children and doomed forever to wear a mask, but never to reveal her identity.

Sounds a bit far fetched? Well Chuck Austen wrote that one...

But what about all the other Captain's who chose the sword? Where have they been locked away all this time?

Albion is to the Sword Corps what Brian Braddock is to the Captain Britain Corps. He's the other edge of the doubled edged sword, in this case. He turned up with Kelsey Leigh (Now going by the name of 'Lionheart') to hand Brian Braddock his ass. When these two exchanged blows high above London the very fabric of the city below started tearing up. It's like they're both supposed to be protectors of Britain, and if they fight they actually destroy it on a seismic scale...

The chances of Albion being alone are slim. The chances are that somewhere out there in the multiverse there's a whole other Corps of people like him, Sword choosing Captains. And that's bad, because the way Lionheart sees it Earth 616 is the problem dimension - and in order to save his own realm he seems to be intent on destroying it...

And that's what the 7 part 'Infinity War' storyline is all about. It should have happened last year, but with Claremont on leave it couldn't. And after this one is done there will be the set-up for this Fall's New Excalibur/Exiles crossover. There's just no time to do both - and with New Excalibur having been left standing on the starting block throughout 2006 (Tieri's fill in run really achieved nothing, because it actually avoided the books premise AND setting) I'm much more glad that the book is being given the chance to find its way in the same way that it's sister DeciMation series X-Factor was allowed to. It's taken this long.

Marvel's UK is in chaos, as it was always intended to be after DeciMation. The team have far too much to deal with there, to get involved with things on the other side of the Atlantic.

[Beast]

Thank you Sword is Drawn, for the voice of intelligence and reason. :)

[Pach!]

Uncanny HOM was fine, no better or worse than most other HOM tie-ins, and as a bonus it actually had some relevancy to it's own continuing storylines.... though the artist changeover halfway through gives it bit more disjointed feel. Really wish Davis would've finished it out, the dimensional flux and English setting and cast was really up his alley.

The Day After was basically an editorially driven set up piece though, more than a real story in itself. Claremont used to be the go to guy for those sorts of things, though now it seems they've convinced Carey to step up.

As far as cross overs (official or not) Claremont's one of the few recent X-writers to really bother to even cross reference others' work. Hell, Xtreme built itself beautifully as a counter point to Morrison's New X-Men, it felt more relevant to Morrison's work than the intended sister book even (Casey/Austin's outright terrible Uncanny). I expect Carey, Yost and Kyle in particular would leap at the chance to work with Claremont on something.

It was worse than New X-men HoM. And why would you expect Carey, Yost and Kyle leap at the chance to work with claremont, I've never heard any praise from them for his latest work on uncanny or NEX.

[jarrod]

Heh. Ain't that the truth. Did you catch the one post that was deleted?
Missed it. I'm noticing a pattern forming though...


And yeah, shame about Wand'ring Star. But Editorial nixed Rachel heading into space for revenge.
I expect it was nixed due to Brubaker's derivative Mary Sue Space Opera... totally dissapointing, a Claremont/Bachalo story with Kurt, Rachel, Betsy, Bishop and Sam in Shi'ar space would've been fantastic. The potnetial Bishop and Deathbird reunion alone... I get chills thinking about it. :D

[jarrod]

It was worse than New X-men HoM.
Subjectivity is key I guess. I only read the X-tie ins and the HOM mini itself, but Uncanny was leagues better Mutopia X, Wolverine or NXM imo. And like I mentioned, it was actually relevant to the ongoing Uncanny storylines versus the other three which were stock filler "What If" setups.


And why would you expect Carey, Yost and Kyle leap at the chance to work with claremont, I've never heard any praise from them for his latest work on uncanny or NEX.
Seems rather clear all three have a profound respect for his older work though, all are admitted X-men/New Mutants fanboys even... you don't see them outwardly bashing or distancing themselves from him either, who wouldn't want to work with a living legend on something? Why would you expect them not to want to work with Claremont then exactly?

[Pach!]

Well because his old work isn't the same as his new work, so admiring his old work is not the same as liking what he does now , or wanting to work with him.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It was worse than New X-men HoM. And why would you expect Carey, Yost and Kyle leap at the chance to work with claremont, I've never heard any praise from them for his latest work on uncanny or NEX.

Chris Yost was more than happy to finish off Claremont's plotting for New Excalibur, when he went off on leave - after Frank Tieri admitted he felt he was the wrong writer to do it.

[jarrod]

Well because his old work isn't the same as his new work, so admiring his old work is not the same as liking what he does now , or wanting to work with him.
Again, what makes you think they wouldn't want to work with him? Like Sword mentioned, Yost was more than happy to step in and help out with NEX (shame he and Kyle couldn't have taken over the fill-ins instead of Tieri).

[Pach!]

That's my point. You're assuming "he would leap at the chance". How do you know that? For all you know Carey and Kyle might dislike his current work right? I don't know if thy would or wouldn't which is my point.

[Beast]

Again, what makes you think they wouldn't want to work with him? Like Sword mentioned, Yost was more than happy to step in and help out with NEX (shame he and Kyle couldn't have taken over the fill-ins instead of Tieri).
Agreed. And Bedard was quite excited by Claremont's plans for Exiles.

Just because he's disrespected by a few online fanboys, doesn't mean people in the industry dislike him.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Agreed. And Bedard was quite excited by Claremont's plans for Exiles.

Just because he's disrespected by a few online fanboys, doesn't mean people in the industry dislike him.

Got it in one. Most of the industry do have a large amount of respect for Claremont, even now. I think a lot of fanboys forget that when they go posting creator-bashing threads out there. If you don't like the guy,fine. but at least have the decency to but up some more reasoning than "Claremont iz teh Lame!!!!!?!0101"

[jarrod]

That's my point. You're assuming "he would leap at the chance". How do you know that? For all you know Carey and Kyle might dislike his current work right? I don't know if thy would or wouldn't which is my point.
Well based just off their enthusiasm for his older stuff... I think they more likely would. Claremont himself can be rather enthusiastic too, particularly in collaberation (which is where he shines imo)... I don't see this as exactly unlikely.

Maybe we should jump to Carey's blog and just ask him?

[Pach!]

Go ahead. And when he says he is excited then I'll stop arguing. I'm not saying he wouldn't, I'm saying you don't know if he would.

[Faded]

Well, the day after was pretty crap, as was Uncanny HoM

Awww...I thought "The Day After" was okay. Maybe Claremont can write an epilogue (right word?) for this crossover too.

[Beast]

Got it in one. Most of the industry do have a large amount of respect for Claremont, even now. I think a lot of fanboys forget that when they go posting creator-bashing threads out there. If you don't like the guy,fine. but at least have the decency to but up some more reasoning than "Claremont iz teh Lame!!!!!?!0101"
Having legitimate complaints would be too hard for them.

[Beast]

Awww...I thought "The Day After" was okay. Maybe Claremont can write an epilogue (right word?) for this crossover too.
That would be good. Set up the new status quo post crossover.

Since NEX will be effected by it, even if they're not taking part.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I liked both Season of the Witch and HoM the Day after. Both were good set up stories: The former for New Excalibur the latter for the whole new Status Quo of Mutants in Marvel.

It's just a shame that Milligan dropped the ball so badly by insytantly re-powering Bobby. Perish the thought he could do some actual character work.

[Babylon23]

I assumed that NEX wasn't part of the crossover because Claremont is about to launch into a big 7-part story that looks like it'll tie up a lot of the loose ends from issues 1-8. Endangered Species comes out in June, with the crossover starting shortly after. So NEX will either be in the middle of its biggest story to date, or finishing up said story. Either way, its probably best not to launch directly into a crossover at that point.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I assumed that NEX wasn't part of the crossover because Claremont is about to launch into a big 7-part story that looks like it'll tie up a lot of the loose ends from issues 1-8. Endangered Species comes out in June, with the crossover starting shortly after. So NEX will either be in the middle of its biggest story to date, or finishing up said story. Either way, its probably best not to launch directly into a crossover at that point.

That's the way I see it, too.

[tetragene]

I think the reason NEX isn't involved is the very reason CC was given NEX to begin with--because it and Exiles are so far removed from the X-univ and the MU at large. I'm guessing so as to not get him involved in big title/company crossovers, HoM had little to do with the world of HoM and mroe to do with the typical Otherworld/alternate time/place stuff. I don't think they'd want "minimally-related" repeats of that for other events.

[Beast]

I think the reason NEX isn't involved is the very reason CC was given NEX to begin with--because it and Exiles are so far removed from the X-univ and the MU at large. I'm guessing so as to not get him involved in big title/company crossovers, HoM had little to do with the world of HoM and mroe to do with the typical Otherworld/alternate time/place stuff. I don't think they'd want "minimally-related" repeats of that for other events.
I don't see that. After all, Cable & Deadpool, Wolverine, and Wolverine: Origins arn't involved either. As was noted earlier, Claremont was out sick when the planning stages were put in place. And already had his own 7-Parter being worked on which leads directly into the crossover mini with Exiles already being built for. Remember, as CC said... all that's happening now was supposed to start nearly a year ago.

[tetragene]

I don't see that. After all, Cable & Deadpool, Wolverine, and Wolverine: Origins arn't involved either. As was noted earlier, Claremont was out sick when the planning stages were put in place. And already had his own 7-Parter being worked on which leads directly into the crossover mini with Exiles already being built for. Remember, as CC said... all that's happening now was supposed to start nearly a year ago.

Point being--if both titles continue to be published and written by the same writer, I see them ONLY interacting with each other. I wouldn't expect for NEX to be involved in any other cross-overs or splinter team interactions.

[Beast]

Point being--if both titles continue to be published and written by the same writer, I see them ONLY interacting with each other. I wouldn't expect for NEX to be involved in any other cross-overs or splinter team interactions.
I don't see that. As even in X-Treme, CC was playing with Morrison's ideas.

[Pach!]

Well I don't think Exiles or NEX should be considered X Books. Exiles because the members aren't always Xpeople. And The Sword Is Drawn just explained in some other thread how NEX isn't really about mutants.

[Beast]

Well I don't think Exiles or NEX should be considered X Books. Exiles because the members aren't always Xpeople. And The Sword Is Drawn just explained in some other thread how NEX isn't really about mutants.
Exactly. Though Quesada did say the fallout of the crossover would effect NEX. Even though they're not taking part in the actual crossover. Guess it depends how major the occurance in the November Crossover is.

[Zombienorthstar]

Okay...call me silly, but i thought NEX wasnt involved because it wasnt a mutant book and Endangered Species and the following book is directly concerned with the dwindling species. While NEX has mutants on the title, it's nowhere in the teams or the books mandate as far as im aware to deal with mutant issues.

[Pach!]

Yeah that's probably why, it's not really relevant to the X-verse when you really look at it. It would not have made that much sense to include NEX.

[Zombienorthstar]

Yeah that's probably why, it's not really relevant to the X-verse when you really look at it. It would not have made that much sense to include NEX.

I think its relevant to the X-verse...but as a book its preoccupation isnt really that of mutant affairs. Even satelite books such as X-Factor meanwhile, are very grounded in these issues.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Okay...call me silly, but i thought NEX wasnt involved because it wasnt a mutant book and Endangered Species and the following book is directly concerned with the dwindling species. While NEX has mutants on the title, it's nowhere in the teams or the books mandate as far as im aware to deal with mutant issues.

Exactly. It is relevent to the X-Universe on occasion. It was after all spawned by DeciMation. Had Britain not supposedly lost all those heroes the need for a 'new' Excalibur would not be so great.

But it's remit is to protect Britain, first abd foremost. And, via Brian, to occasionally get involved in Multiverse level threats,, involving Otherworld, too.

It's really more of a Marvel Universe title, and as such only really need get involved with crossovers which are on an international incident scale. If Claremont had been on the book last summer you can bet your ass he'd at least have referenced Civil War.