Is Stan Lee washed up when it comes to movie ideas?

[drwho]

I saw previews for LightSpeed which says Stan Lee present which looks like a boring cornball joke. I also saw previews for a new animated Stan Lee presents called Condor about some superhero with a skateboard. Is this guy washed up in the ideas department? Are these movies any good? Is Stan Lee really involved with these movies, or do they just pay him to have Stan Lee presents on them? Answers would be appreciated.

[Black Atom]

I thought some of the ideas for the Stan Lee DCU books from a while ago were pretty decent. I think he still has a knack for creating characters with memorable gimmicks. Some of them are cheesball, I guess, when you compare them to the current comics industry, which takes itself much too seriously these days.

[K.O.V.G]

I think it's more that Stan lee is think more in his age than thinking in this age of comics and Idea's

[Magneto_X]

Sten Lee is nothing without other (more) talented people to collorate with*. And then for him to steal all the credit.

* Ditko and Kirby

[Black Atom]

Sten Lee is nothing without other (more) talented people to collorate with*. And then for him to steal all the credit.

* Ditko and Kirby

Why do you say that? Stan's always been rather up front and has never failed to acknowledge his co-creators.

[Magneto_X]

Why do you say that? Stan's always been rather up front and has never failed to acknowledge his co-creators.

Last I checked both the Kirby's and the Ditko's never got the mainstream recognition nor some monetary compensation for Spiderman, Hulk, X-men, Fantastic Four etc.


IIRC Stan's a freakin' *millionaire*. Has been for decades. For being directly involved with said creations.

[Phrozen]

Sten Lee is nothing without other (more) talented people to collorate with*. And then for him to steal all the credit.

* Ditko and Kirby


I say that the three of them together were better then the three apart.

[mattx110]

I say that the three of them together were better then the three apart.

have any franchises made a billion dollars in american theatres alone?

i think spiderman might do that with 3...


and i don't know how much involvement stan has in the film things, but if any of them turn out good, i'm gonna give him some credit.

[Mr. Croup]

I saw Stan Lee Presents: Mosaic, and it wasn't too bad.

[StoneGold]

Last I checked both the Kirby's and the Ditko's never got the mainstream recognition nor some monetary compensation for Spiderman, Hulk, X-men, Fantastic Four etc.


IIRC Stan's a freakin' *millionaire*. Has been for decades. For being directly involved with said creations.

Yeah, but your reasoning is all screwed up. Stan's a millionaire not so much because of his work on the characters, but because he became the face of Marvel as a company. When they wanted to keep using his name to present stuff, they had to pay up. Even worse, they paid him in movie profit points, so every time they make a Spider-Man movie, Stan gets a fortune.


As for publicity, Ditko hates it, and Kirby was dead by the time the movies came out.Being dead for a decade really screws with the publicity factor.

[Kaos]

Yeah, but your reasoning is all screwed up. Stan's a millionaire not so much because of his work on the characters, but because he became the face of Marvel as a company. When they wanted to keep using his name to present stuff, they had to pay up. Even worse, they paid him in movie profit points, so every time they make a Spider-Man movie, Stan gets a fortune.


As for publicity, Ditko hates it, and Kirby was dead by the time the movies came out.Being dead for a decade really screws with the publicity factor.


I know, you woulda though he'd be past the whole death thing.

[mattx110]

I know, you woulda though he'd be past the whole death thing.

i'll get how much money? call god and my estate attorney, i'm coming back baby!

[rick]

Last I checked both the Kirby's and the Ditko's never got the mainstream recognition nor some monetary compensation for Spiderman, Hulk, X-men, Fantastic Four etc.


IIRC Stan's a freakin' *millionaire*. Has been for decades. For being directly involved with said creations.



That is simply not true.

First off Stan has always very publicly supported his co-creators.

Secondly, read those post-Ditko Spider-Man issues and tell me that Stan couldn't run his own book.

Third, both the Kirby family and Steve Ditko HAVE received payment for the Marvel movies. The Kirby’s for both the FF and the Hulk and Ditko for Spider-Man.

Did they make as much as Stan?

I doubt it.

But it’s not 1983 anymore and the good news is that in most cases creators do get paid when their characters show up in the movies.

This is of course not always true as the sad case of the late Dave Cockrum demonstrated, but the Kirby’s are fine, and although Ditko’s private life is very private, it is not a secret that he did get paid for the Spider-Man films.

[StoneGold]

This is of course not always true as the sad case of the late Dave Cockrum demonstrated, but the Kirby’s are fine, and although Ditko’s private life is very private, it is not a secret that he did get paid for the Spider-Man films.

Unless the just said that, knowing he'd never say otherwise. It's like making fun of the Amish on television.

[Nate Grey]

I saw previews for LightSpeed which says Stan Lee present which looks like a boring cornball joke. I also saw previews for a new animated Stan Lee presents called Condor about some superhero with a skateboard. Is this guy washed up in the ideas department? Are these movies any good? Is Stan Lee really involved with these movies, or do they just pay him to have Stan Lee presents on them? Answers would be appreciated.

First thing I do when I have questions like this is check imdb.com, and if that fails, Google. Stan Lee isn't listed anywhere for the two movies you mentioned. So, yeah, that latter part of what you said is true.

Last I checked both the Kirby's and the Ditko's never got the mainstream recognition nor some monetary compensation for Spiderman, Hulk, X-men, Fantastic Four etc.


IIRC Stan's a freakin' *millionaire*. Has been for decades. For being directly involved with said creations.

He's also a glorified figurehead, has been for decades now, so of course people will attach his face, publicly, to those creations. That doesn't not mean and does not equate the OTHER people involved didn't get their due.

And when did you "last check"? Cause one Google search would have told you everything I, rick, and Stonegold just said. Sounds like you ASSUMED he screwed those people over and ran with it.

[rick]

Unless the just said that, knowing he'd never say otherwise. It's like making fun of the Amish on television.

No, Ditko's manager Robin Synder worked out a deal for Ditko that got him full screen credit as well as a sizable chunk of cash. Apparently the hardest part was getting Ditko to accept, not getting Sony (Marvel not being involved was part of the deal) to make the offer.

[Gargus]

I think stan is just from a different time.

Are his ideas any cornier now than they were 30 years ago? No, but when you compare them to whats out now they sure are. Everyone else is going for that realistic bullcrap, even gi joe is nothing like it used to it aside from the title.

When your a old man, you wont jive with the current times either because you will be a product of your time. Same way with stan lee.

Do I like his current ideas and stuff he is involved with? No. Doesnt mean I dont like it but its like he is trying to hard. Seems once he did a cameo in a couple movies and his name started getting bigger he had to get out there and do stuff again. While I think its cool he is trying new things, I just dont like them is all.

[mgs]

I think stan is just from a different time.

Are his ideas any cornier now than they were 30 years ago? No, but when you compare them to whats out now they sure are. Everyone else is going for that realistic bullcrap, even gi joe is nothing like it used to it aside from the title.

When your a old man, you wont jive with the current times either because you will be a product of your time. Same way with stan lee.

Do I like his current ideas and stuff he is involved with? No. Doesnt mean I dont like it but its like he is trying to hard. Seems once he did a cameo in a couple movies and his name started getting bigger he had to get out there and do stuff again. While I think its cool he is trying new things, I just dont like them is all.

I think this says it best.

[Magneto_X]

When your a old man, you wont jive with the current times either because you will be a product of your time. Same way with stan lee.


Not all the time. There are (comic) creators who are getting up in the years but are still quite talented and do well in their fields (i.e. Busiek. Perez). Stan just fits in with the people who couldn't adapt (i.e. Byrne, Lucas).

[MaxofSteel]

Saw The Condor last night.


Wish I could say I liked it but... Mmmm not so much.





The character designs were pretty good though.

[cactusmaac]

Sten Lee is nothing without other (more) talented people to collorate with*. And then for him to steal all the credit.

* Ditko and Kirby

That's a shockingly ignorant statement. Lee successfully collaborated with dozens of artists who weren't Kirby or Ditko. John Romita and John Buscema being two of of them.

[Magneto_X]

Cactus:

I know. It's just Ditko and Kirby were the most well known.

[superion]

I never undestood this Stan Lee screwed over Kirby and Ditko nonsense. Kirby and Ditko are adults if they believed that Lee was taking to much credit they could have said something but they choose not to till years later and Lee is not responsible for ensuring that Marvel treated Kirby and Ditko fairly.

[Gargus]

Not all the time. There are (comic) creators who are getting up in the years but are still quite talented and do well in their fields (i.e. Busiek. Perez). Stan just fits in with the people who couldn't adapt (i.e. Byrne, Lucas).

Stan is 32 years older than perez and 38 years older than busiek. That is a rather large difference. The times they grew up in are vastly different. Hell Im only 32 and I see kids 16 and 17 they are alot different than I was then. But stans first work was in 1941, before either those two were even born.

But hell the man is 84, still creating stuff, doing cameos, doing appearances and stuff. Sure his ideas may not be on par with what people expect today but he is still out there doing stuff.

[MaxofSteel]

But hell the man is 84, still creating stuff, doing cameos, doing appearances and stuff. Sure his ideas may not be on par with what people expect today but he is still out there doing stuff.

Very true. I have a lot of respect for the guy because of this.

[BoosterBronze]

I saw previews for LightSpeed which says Stan Lee present which looks like a boring cornball joke. I also saw previews for a new animated Stan Lee presents called Condor about some superhero with a skateboard. Is this guy washed up in the ideas department? Are these movies any good? Is Stan Lee really involved with these movies, or do they just pay him to have Stan Lee presents on them? Answers would be appreciated.

From the credits listed on the box, Stan Lee has apparently no real involvement in "Lightspeed" which is probably for the best, because that move looks like deep-fried poo.

[mattx110]

Very true. I have a lot of respect for the guy because of this.

"i get to talk to fans all over the world(while travelling it), see my characters get turned into movies, and get a check for a million bucks every year plus film royalties, i'm supposed to retire from that?"
-said internet stan lee impersonator