Willow & Illyria Vs Ghost Rider & Lobo

[KJ Stewart]

Bit random I know, but I saw Vakanai's recent "Lobo Vs Ghost Rider" thread, and had the Buffyverse on my mind, and so I thought of this.

What about if Willow (With composite powers) and a fully powered Illyria teamed up to go at it with Ghost Rider and Lobo as a team?

Probably ridiculous, but I haven't posted a rumble in ages and just felt like it.

[DABishop]

Bit random I know, but I saw Vakanai's recent "Lobo Vs Ghost Rider" thread, and had the Buffyverse on my mind, and so I thought of this.

What about if Willow (With composite powers) and a fully powered Illyria teamed up to go at it with Ghost Rider and Lobo as a team?

Probably ridiculous, but I haven't posted a rumble in ages and just felt like it.

Lobo could be contained, although he has crazy damage soak. He is technically immortal, however, and therefore cannot be outright killed. Ghost Rider has taken out Dr. Strange, a far more accomplished magic user. I think Willow finally understands what it's like to have your own skin torn off.

[LordKaos]

Ghost Rider taking out Strange is either PIS or SMvsFL

[LordKaos]

Double Post

[DABishop]

Ghost Rider taking out Strange is either PIS or SMvsFL

Yeah, that probably wasn't his proudest moment. Still, Ghost Rider has good durability, plus no skin to rip off.

[KJ Stewart]

You make it sound like "skin ripping" is the only thing Willow can do.

Not to mention avoiding Illyria full stop!

There's more to this fight than Willow with one spell and Ghost Rider being good against Magic users.

[DABishop]

You make it sound like "skin ripping" is the only thing Willow can do.

Not to mention avoiding Illyria full stop!

There's more to this fight than Willow with one spell and Ghost Rider being good against Magic users.

Wait, does Ghost Rider get his bike?

[Willminus2]

Yeah there is Lobo who is nearly unstoppable and definately unkillable. I'm sorry but Lobo could take them both without Ghost Rider.

[KJ Stewart]

Lobo doesn't have Superspeed, neither does Ghost Rider. So Illyria's ability to stop time is a factor here. Willow can use magic of gigantic proportions and Ghost Rider is vulnerable to magical harm. Lobo has massive damage soak. So does Illyria. Lobo and Ghost Rider are physically very strong, so is Illyria. In her standard form, Willow isn't.

There are loads of factors to consider.

My major concern is what Lobo and Ghost Rider can do while time is stopped and Willow is casting spells to contain/harm the pair of them.

[master of read]

it all ends in sex. especially for ghost rider and illyria.

[Pendaran]

Ghost Rider is vulnerable to magical harm.

Actually, if this is the Dan Ketch Rider, he's pretty good with the magic resisting.

Anyway, the basic thing here is no one really blows past each other in reaction time as far as getting their special juju going, though the penance stare should take Willow the hell out, and I don't think anyone here can actually kill Lobo in any meaningful way.

Though come to think of it, Danny actually had some salutary enhanced reaction stuff, at least enough to get the stare off on Willow.

[Knightosis]

Honestly, there's NO ONE in the Buffyverse that's even a challenge to GR.

If any of them were maybe Lilith, Centurious, or even Zarathos level, fine.

But none, even Willow, are remotely on his notice.

[MaxofSteel]

Honestly, there's NO ONE in the Buffyverse that's even a challenge to GR.

Why's that?

(I know nothing about GR btw)

[JCAll]

Lobo doesn't have Superspeed, neither does Ghost Rider. So Illyria's ability to stop time is a factor here. Willow can use magic of gigantic proportions and Ghost Rider is vulnerable to magical harm. Lobo has massive damage soak. So does Illyria. Lobo and Ghost Rider are physically very strong, so is Illyria. In her standard form, Willow isn't.

There are loads of factors to consider.

My major concern is what Lobo and Ghost Rider can do while time is stopped and Willow is casting spells to contain/harm the pair of them.

I wouldn't count on Willow having anything that can contain Lobo long enough to do anything but piss him off. Lobo has busted out of alternate dimensions and shit more than once.

[marshal99]

Honestly, there's NO ONE in the Buffyverse that's even a challenge to GR.

If any of them were maybe Lilith, Centurious, or even Zarathos level, fine.

But none, even Willow, are remotely on his notice.

Willow and Illyria just send him to another hell dimension , maybe the one with nothing but shrimps. ;)

[Acecool]

Ghost Rider taking out Strange is either PIS or SMvsFL

Explain. Why is this an example of sp vs Firelord?

[Acecool]

Lobo doesn't have Superspeed, neither does Ghost Rider. So Illyria's ability to stop time is a factor here. Willow can use magic of gigantic proportions and Ghost Rider is vulnerable to magical harm. Lobo has massive damage soak. So does Illyria. Lobo and Ghost Rider are physically very strong, so is Illyria. In her standard form, Willow isn't.

There are loads of factors to consider.

My major concern is what Lobo and Ghost Rider can do while time is stopped and Willow is casting spells to contain/harm the pair of them.

Where is it shown that Ghost rider is Vulnerable to magical powers? That is what he fights, those with magical abilities.

In anycase, IIRC ghost rider has a few abilities such as reality warping, IE... tear holes through demensions, shooting flames that sear the soul, and creating object our of thin air such as creating a new motorcycle.

[Acecool]

Why's that?

(I know nothing about GR btw)

Most people think of the Dan Ketch version, so I'll use that.

Ghost rider in short: Basicly a demon created by the marvel's version of the devil (kinda). He has had many incarnations with many different host.

In every incarnation he is pretty much invulnerable to the point that nothing short of mephsto (the devil) can kill him. Think celestial power level here and growing more powerful with each soul he takes. The Dan Ketch version of ghost rider (noble kale) took over hell itself if that gives you an indication of his power towards the end of the series. He is the marvel version of the angel of death.

He came back from "death" twice even in his human form.

Powers: Depending on where you are at in the story, he has near celestial power as the king of hell, or around lobo power.

Normal power level, he has superman/thor level strength, invunerability (usually you only see his jacket being ripped) and regeneration (his jacket reforms), hell fire blast, his change and bike changes shape, if using his medalion, he can rip holes in space, using his bike he can almost fly, and with his hell fire/penace stare he can either burn your soul, or make every single bit of pain you ever dished out come right back at you all at once, usually leaving the victum catatonic

[Pendaran]

.... that was ridiculous.

Ok, there's so much there that was wrong (Celestial level? Reaaaallly? They point their fingers and 10+ planets get hurled from across the galaxy as weapons? You're comparing him to that?)

But let's just try one thing at a time.

When did Dan ever show strength on par with Superman or Thor?

[Nik Hasta]

Explain. Why is this an example of sp vs Firelord?

Because Strange is VASTLY more powerful than Ghost Rider.

And GR apparently beat him by blindsiding him with a tombstone on a chain...

Despite the fact Strange has autosheilds that have taken shots from a bloodlusted Surfer.

Big fat hunk of SMvsFL.

[LordKaos]

Explain. Why is this an example of sp vs Firelord?

What Nik said.

[MaxofSteel]

.... that was ridiculous.

Ok, there's so much there that was wrong (Celestial level? Reaaaallly? They point their fingers and 10+ planets get hurled from across the galaxy as weapons? You're comparing him to that?)

But let's just try one thing at a time.

When did Dan ever show strength on par with Superman or Thor?

Can you give me your interpretation of GR's abilities then?