wolverine and the xmen animated series

[Sean Whitmore]

"Giving fan favorite character Wolverine the spotlight is not just a marketing ploy, says Kyle, but also a way of shaking up the status quo of the X-Men world."

Gutless doublespeak like that annoys me. Would it be so horrible to just come out and say, "We're giving fan favorite character Wolverine the spotlight because he is a fucking FAN FAVORITE."

I'd applaud such frankness.


SEAN

[samhalliwell]

Gutless doublespeak like that annoys me. Would it be so horrible to just come out and say, "We're giving fan favorite character Wolverine the spotlight because he is a fucking FAN FAVORITE."

I'd applaud such frankness.


SEAN

Seriously. It'd be be so much easier to just say it like it is, instead of trying to pretend they can convince us otherwise. Do they believe we're THAT stupid? (This coming from someone who'll probably watch every episode of the thing, and go fanboy while he's at it).

[rwsmith]

Well, technically they are shaking up the status quo of the X-men by making him the team leader, so it's not total B.S.

[CmX]

"Giving fan favorite character Wolverine the spotlight is not just a marketing ploy, says Kyle, but also a way of shaking up the status quo of the X-Men world."

That's hilarious.

[GoddessStorm]

I'm disappointed with this cartoon so far. The look is way too much like Evolution. Why can't it be like The Animated Series with its detailed and more realistic look? Instead, this looks like the drawings are going to be all unserious and cheap.

First they centered it around Wolverine, and now they screw up the look.

Well, I'm hoping the episodes will be cool then. Although, I'm also disappointed with the X-Men cast they've chosen so far cuz of Kitty and nightcrawler who are completely boring (imo).

I also don't understand why they didn't include Cyclops, Storm, and Jean Grey in this picture if they are the X-Men Stars right after Wolverine. Needless to say, however, they'll show up soon enough. The makers are not going to not include them after they played major roles in the films. Especially because Storm was played by Halle, Jean was a key player in X3 as Phoenix, and Cyclops is the leader of X-Men and probably the biggest X Staple after Wolverine.

And okay wait, if they're using the Astonishing costumes, then that means Storm is going to wear her black and gold costume that comes with the crown, right?

Yay!!!

Still with those horrible graphics, animations, or whatever it's called, there's no way she's gonna look good, or at her best. That goes for the rest of the X-Men.

2 thumbs down for the crappy look. Though I suppose the sound (effects, music, voice work) and episode stories could make up for that.

BTW, isn't this cartoon coming out at the end of 2008 or something?

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

If Marvel was smart they'd make an X-men anime to try to bring in some of those manga fans.

[sbo]

I hope Rogue has flight or superstrength or some sort of useful power in this cartoon. Absorption only just didn't cut it in evolution.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Rogue should ONLY have absorption. That power is useful enough.

[sbo]

Rogue should ONLY have absorption. That power is useful enough.

No way, since Rogue's had absorption only she's been getting her ass handed to her on a daily basis. Time to make her a tough fighter again.

[1WEBHEAD]

No way, since Rogue's had absorption only she's been getting her ass handed to her on a daily basis. Time to make her a tough fighter again.

But with her Absorbtion powers, she can justify herself of not being a Wonder Woman rip off like in TAS.(Which was the best Xmen show IMO)

[Ungoliantschilde]

I am a huge Wolverine fan. For fuck's sake, I shelled out the clams for his first appearance. However, just because he is the most popular character on the team... it doesn't qualify him to be the leader. Point in fact, he has never been leader in the comics, because that's not his character. He left Alpha Flight to join the X-Men. Alpha Flight wanted him to lead. The guy isn't a leader, he's a loner. I get the fact that it's a marketing ploy... but this is dumb.

[jarrod]

Point in fact, he has never been leader in the comics, because that's not his character.
Actually, he has stepped in as leader before, but only temporarily.

[rwsmith]

Yeah, he has stepped in to lead before, and he also was supposedly gunning for the leadership spot early on (I remember Cyclops saying something to him during the Proteus Saga like "You think you're the guy who's gonna replace me as leader of the X-men!?").

And it's not like he doesn't have leadership qualities. Go back and re-read the first couple of issues of Whedon's Astonshing X-men run. When they're getting ready to go into that building to save the humans that Ord has taken hostage, Logan says something to the effect of "This deployment is amatuer hour. Right flank's wide open. That's our entry point."

[Ungoliantschilde]

Yeah, I remember, I didn't mention it because it lasted for all of like, the first part of the "Inferno" Crossover. As I recall, he was only the leader because of a void in membership. Cyclops was in X-Factor or something and a whole bunch of other stuff was going on. Shortly thereafter, Wolverine stepped down. It was more like he was pinch-hitting than actually leading. Either way, the rest of my post stands.

[Karl H]

Yeah, he has stepped in to lead before, and he also was supposedly gunning for the leadership spot early on (I remember Cyclops saying something to him during the Proteus Saga like "You think you're the guy who's gonna replace me as leader of the X-men!?").

And it's not like he doesn't have leadership qualities. Go back and re-read the first couple of issues of Whedon's Astonshing X-men run. When they're getting ready to go into that building to save the humans that Ord has taken hostage, Logan says something to the effect of "This deployment is amatuer hour. Right flank's wide open. That's our entry point."

He does have strong leadership qualities. I remember some excellent issues as part of the Revolution arcs when he was grooming Rogue for the leadership. On the other hand, that "amateur hour" quote is probably more of a statement about his military training.

[blinkinrogue]

no wonder the new series looks a lot like xmen evo, one of the directors used to be the sole character designer of xmen evo.

http://stevenegordon.blogspot.com/

he draws a cute goblyn queen though. :)

[Ungoliantschilde]

There's a big difference between having "leadership qualities" and having the desire to lead. Wolverine has mentored several young characters over the years. Most notably, Kitty Pryde and then Jubilee. However, he has only recently been shown doing anything remotely close to teaching at the institute, and all he teaches is combat. The guy doesn't like to lead people. He likes to offer advice, and let people make their own decisions. Cyclops may be a schmuck, but he can lead a team. Storm was born to rule, whether as the Queen of an African Paradise, or as leader of the X-Men. Wolverine is a loner by nature, he has fatherly instincts, which is why he always seems to mentor a "little sister/daughter" character. He adopted Amiko, and the first thing he did was have Yukio take care of her. He's just not that type of guy.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

no wonder the new series looks a lot like xmen evo, one of the directors used to be the sole character designer of xmen evo.

http://stevenegordon.blogspot.com/

he draws a cute goblyn queen though. :)

Did you read anything from the blog? " Before you ask this is in no way a continuity with X-Men: Evolution and I will NOT be doing the character designs for this show." It looks like X-Men Evo, in a still shot, because a guy who directs the animation on the new series was the sole designer on ANOTHER series? Regarding the still shot thats been released: He didn't design them, and no one animated them, so no director was involved. Boyd Kirkland, who was a producer on Evo AND is a producer on Wolverine and the X-Men is likely the reason for any similarities, he has drawn in the "Evo" style for some kids books, like movie adaptations for X-Men 3 (as did Steve Gordon).

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Awful...

Naming of the show...

Line-up (None of the other leaders so that Wolverine can shine alone).\


Bad decisions... Wolverine is not a "solo-hero property". He needs The X-Men. I thought that the comic books and this supposed stalled solo-film were an indication..

Wolverine represents the ruff-neck who could be Sabertooth, but this man kills too only those he feels deserve to die violently.

What is he going to do on the cartoon? Pop his claws to deflect bullets like Wonder Woman?

[Jottma]

I guess I'm just confused as to why they are still trying to tie this series to the X-Men. As I understand it, this series has been public knowledge for a long while now, and I'm guessing that the producers took so long getting it out to the public, so that they could better sync it up with Hugh Jackman's solo Wolverine project. So if this is going to be put into the marketing package of the future solo Wolverine movie, why are they going the route of "Wolverine and the X-Men"? I think my bitter mind, would be able to handle an effort by Marvel to finally market Wolverine as true solo star, without the help and name recogniton of the X-Men. It is very obvious with how Marvel is pushing the character, that they believe he has what it takes to be a huge star in his own right. I know some fans have voiced thier beliefs on different boards, who have questioned why he is still hanging around the X-men, when he clearly doesn't need them anymore.

Me being a Cyke fan, even I can see that the Wolverine character has clearly surpassed his fellow mutant brethren. So I guess my whole beef with this situation stems from the question, why doesn't and hasn't Marvel went full hog and finally released Wolverine from the shackles of the X-Men? I'll be so happy for the day when Marvel just completely seperates the X-Men from Wolverine. Since the character has grown leaps and bounds past his original introduction, Marvel should recogonize his growth by giving Wolverine his own franchise like that of Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman. This means his own comics completely reliant on his rogue gallery, him being placed more squarely in the Marvel universe, and him leaving the X-Men alone to handle with their own seperate stories. I truthfully believe the character could handle this next stage in his career with out the name recogintion of the X-Men.

Anyways this is just me being bitter, that my favorite character isn't the star of the X-Men, as Marvel keeps reminding me. Congratulations to all you Wolverine fans out there, with yet another venture out there for you to enjoy your favorite characters never waneing popularity.

[jawbreaker]

the reason some of us dont like the 90's series is b/c, unless we saw it at the time & have developed nostalgia for it, it does not hold up very well today... compared to the cleaner animation, design work & more natural voice acting in Evolution, the 90's series dialogue & vocals feel dated & the artwork & animation have that early 90's DIC made in a Korean sweatshop look...

[rwsmith]

Awful...
Bad decisions... Wolverine is not a "solo-hero property". He needs The X-Men. I thought that the comic books and this supposed stalled solo-film were an indication..

Well, considering the fact that both of his solo-books sell more than almost all of the other X-titles and that the Wolverine solo-film is not stalled at all and is still happening next year from everything I've read, I'd say you're dead wrong about him not being a "solo-hero property."

[rwsmith]

Thanks, we're pretty psyched about it.;)

Seriously, though, at least you can admit you're bitter. That's more than most. And as for Supes and Bats, last time I checked they were still in the JLA, right? So why can't Wolverine still be a part of the X-men?

Personally, though, I'd prefer it if Logan was always coming and going from the mansion, kind of like the wild card he's portrayed as in the movies. Make him a fulltime member of the New Avengers and recurring guest-star in the X-books.

[DrDoomX]

I for one am not very impressed by the idea. It reminds me too much of Evolution also. I think the 90s X-Men series is by far the best and the most accurate...Wolverine and the X-Men we will see, but I for one am skeptical about this at best...

[rwsmith]

I think if they're true to the comics then it will be good (like the 90's animated series was good). If they try to change things too drastically, then it will be bad (like Evolution was bad, at least IMO).

And what could be more true to the comics than having good 'ol Logan front and center, baby.;)

[creaky]

It could be that the whole point of the show is that Logan is not your conventional leader and the conflicts and problems that arise from that?

[Matthew K.]

all the x-men should have wild, wild sex with each other in this cartoon.

in every episode

[Sean Whitmore]

It could be that the whole point of the show is that Logan is not your conventional leader and the conflicts and problems that arise from that?

Oh, but we don't know that yet. So we should all continue to make prejudgments.


SEAN

[Faded]

Oh, but we don't know that yet. So we should all continue to make prejudgments.


SEAN

Of course! What would press releases be for anyway? :p

[Matthew K.]

i still stand by the sex idea...

[Nyssane]

i still stand by the sex idea...

Even the men? Homo!

Sketchums, I never realized you were so... kinky. Mee~ow!

[blinkinrogue]

But with her Absorbtion powers, she can justify herself of not being a Wonder Woman rip off like in TAS.(Which was the best Xmen show IMO)

i disagree, rogue is FAR from a wonder woman rip off with the ms. marvel powers, considering HOW rogue got the ms. marvel powers in the first place.... i too want a ms. marvel-powered rogue, in my opinion, thats the best version of rogue ever....

[NevamindU]

And as for Supes and Bats, last time I checked they were still in the JLA, right? So why can't Wolverine still be a part of the X-men?
That goes back to the same agrument that wolverine isn't "Solo property" in the media....Supes and Bats had both Animated series named after them......Movies etc.....I doubt Wolverine could sustain a show on his own and this title proves that.......the only solo property Wolverine has in the media is his solo film coming.....thats the only indication on how he does alone.....

[Beast]

According to a poster on another forum, Kyle Herbert (http://www.kylehebert.com) tried out for the following roles for the series. Bruce Banner, Gambit, and Blob. He hasn't heard anything back yet, but that does give us an idea of some of the possible cameo and villain characters that we'll probably see.

[Killing Intent]

However, just because he is the most popular character on the team... it doesn't qualify him to be the leader. Point in fact, he has never been leader in the comics, because that's not his character. He left Alpha Flight to join the X-Men. Alpha Flight wanted him to lead. The guy isn't a leader, he's a loner.You're right. His popularity doesn't justify him to be a team leader, the fact that he has shown great leadership qualities and most of the X-Men have much respect for him qualifies him to be a leader. Wolverine was the chosen of Alpha Flight, he makes strategic calls in New Avengers and Astonishing, and he led the team in Storm's absence in Uncanny. MANY times people have asked Wolverine to lead the X-Men team. Cyclops has hinted in X-Men Unlimited that one day he thinks Wolverine will have to be a leader. When they made Rogue leader she wanted Wolverine to take the job. Wolverine is more qualified for the job than just about any other team leader in the Marvel Universe.

Why isn't Wolverine a team leader?

The answer is quite simple. For a man that is sometimes not in control of his own actions (berserker rage) he doesn't want to take the risk of being held accountable for others when he can't always ensure he's in control of himself. A good leader recognizes that and backs up the next best choice, which is exactly what Wolverine has been doing for a long time. Storm looked to him as her second for a long time and relied on his judgement.

Being able to lead and preffering to lead are 2 very different ideas.

Now take into account that this series will focus on Wolverine.

Since these stories will most likely focus more on Wolverine they are probably going to be more personal for his character. If the X-Men step into Logan's affairs then it is VERY believable that they would take their cues from him. Uncanny X-Men # 121-122. X-Men and Alpha Flight scrap over Wolverine. Who tells the X-Men to back off? Wolverine. When the X-Men went to Japan for the wedding Wolverine was the one calling the shots. When Colossus broke Kitty's heart who was the one that was going to beat a lesson into Colossus for hurting his daughter figure? Wolverine. If the X-Men start a squabble with Weapon X you gotta think that Wolverine will be calling the shots for the duration of the adventure. If Creed is on the loose are you going to listen to Storm or Havok? Maybe, but if Wolverine says, "No, we're doing it this way." The X-Men are probably going to defer to him since when it comes to Creed you listen to Logan. If some kind of black ops fiasco goes down with Team X Wolverine is the one that should obviously be taking charge. He knows those people like the back of his hand.

On the other hand if the team goes to the future and Wolverine starts raising Baby Nate with Jean I will be really pissed. Certain stories I wouldn't want to see Wolverine lead, but if it is going to be Wolverine centric there are definitely obvious situations where him stepping in as leader would not go against the grain.

Line-up (None of the other leaders so that Wolverine can shine alone)I'm pretty sure both Storm and Cyclops have been confirmed, along with Xavier, so that's 3 other leaders right there. And besides, Wolverine (in a non-leadership role) has been outshining all of them for decades anyway. Nothing new there.
Bad decisions... Wolverine is not a "solo-hero property". He needs The X-Men. I thought that the comic books and this supposed stalled solo-film were an indicationWolverine has been proving he's a viable solo property since the late 1980's. He's right up there with Spidey. Hell he's kept the entire X-Franchise afloat through some really bad times. His comics sell better than the other big solo properties (Spidey/Bats/Supes) on a regular basis.

And it's more like the X-Men benefit from Wolverine being around. Wolverine has solo books that sell. Therefor he obviously doesn't need the team, at least not anymore. I do like him in a team dynamic, just like I like to read Supes and Bats in a team. Wolvy and Bats in particular are fun to play off of other characters.

And what does his solo film being stalled have to do with anythng? The X-Men films were stalled and late getting started too. And actually I believe that casting started last week on Wolverine, so comparing it to the time table of some of the X-Men films it's doing OK. Most likely they are having script issues with trying to edit/tone down what the writer wants to be an R-Rated story and what Marvel wants 6 year olds to go see, since 6 year olds love Wolverine.
Wolverine represents the ruff-neck who could be Sabertooth, but this man kills too only those he feels deserve to die violently.And that statement proves you dont know anything about Wolverine and wouldn't like the series even if you did.
What is he going to do on the cartoon? Pop his claws to deflect bullets like Wonder Woman? No, he'll be the moody badass with the catchy lines like Batman from the Justice League cartoon. Just more badass, since he's soooo badass he can wear the bumblebee outfit and still reek of badassedness.
It could be that the whole point of the show is that Logan is not your conventional leader and the conflicts and problems that arise from that?That in and of itself would be a fun show. Maybe Wolverine isn't REALLY the team leader, he just takes over now and then and we get to watch Scott get all weepy and constipated over it.

Scott
"Jeeeeeean!! He's undermining my authority again!"

Logan
"Trust me Bub, whatever authority you had with this outfit went the way of the dodo when you started whining to your boo."

Jean
"Be nice to Scott Logan."

Logan
"Sure thing toots." *wink*

Scott
"Jeeeeeeeean..!"

God that would be awesome. And they could have it animated like the bullpen cartoons at the end of the comics.
That goes back to the same agrument that wolverine isn't "Solo property" in the media....Supes and Bats had both Animated series named after them......Movies etc.....I doubt Wolverine could sustain a show on his own and this title proves that.......the only solo property Wolverine has in the media is his solo film coming.....thats the only indication on how he does alone.....
Supes and Bats are much older and more exposed characters and they were created as solo properties. They were also very early comic characters and are considered originals and establishers of the medium. Wolverine was originally created as a 1-time Hulk villian, who as such is linked to the hero of the book, and then was thrust into a team environment for over 20 years where he shined and played off other characters very well before Marvel ever really made a go of a solo effort. Completely different cases.

The X-Men are attached to this project because it's stupid not to feature them in some way on television. If the JLA can do so well obviously Marvel would be stupid not to try for something similar with arguably it's most popular team franchise.

Wolverine is in the lime-light because he's friggin Wolverine.

The X-Men keep it a "kiddy" project so that little kids can watch it.

If Marvel did a "true" Wolverine series like Spawn where it focused on the seedier nature of his character and the dark undertones of his past (WW2, Black Ops, Assassin, Killer) he could easily become a viable, successful solo animated series. Again the only problem is Marvel knows 6 year olds love Wolverine to death (little b@$tard$) and they can make more money of it if they make it appeal to little kids. Wolverine's own nature keeps him from becoming a solo act. But it's rediculous to assume he couldn't. Marvel just needs to grow some ball$.

[Sean Whitmore]

Thank God you're okay, we were all worried.


SEAN

[rwsmith]

And I thought I was a rabid Wolverine fan! Jeez...

Seriously, though, great characters inspire great loyalty.;)

[Karl H]

And I thought I was a rabid Wolverine fan! Jeez...

Seriously, though, great characters inspire great loyalty.;)

You've tamed your act down though in recent months !!!! ;)

[rwsmith]

I don't think I was ever not tame, honestly. I never got offended by anyone's comments or took personal shots at people that I can remember. Perhaps you misunderstood some of my more smart-alecky comments, because I honestly don't take this stuff that seriously. At the end of the day, we're here talkin' about friggin' comic books! Nothing to get upset over.

[Karl H]

I don't think I was ever not tame, honestly. I never got offended by anyone's comments or took personal shots at people that I can remember. Perhaps you misunderstood some of my more smart-alecky comments, because I honestly don't take this stuff that seriously. At the end of the day, we're here talkin' about friggin' comic books! Nothing to get upset over.

exactly...

[blinkinrogue]

beast did it say if gambit was a hero or a villain?

[dellicious]

where is storm and jean?

[blinkinrogue]

storm was supposed to be in the lineup, dont know what happened though....

[Killing Intent]

Thank God you're okay, we were all worried.
Yeah, I can tell.
And I thought I was a rabid Wolverine fan! Jeez...

Seriously, though, great characters inspire great loyalty.;)Nah, that's not rabid. You know the mods show up when I really get worked up.

[Daithi]

where is storm and jean?

They're both probably married to Logan and are too busy cooking his meals to make an appearance. Considering the premise of the series that's not out of the realms of possibility.

[Slant]

I hope Rogue has flight or superstrength or some sort of useful power in this cartoon. Absorption only just didn't cut it in evolution.

I think it cut it fine in evolution. And with Colossus, and even Beast, theres really no need for more Super Strength.

She can manage fine with just the absorption powers.

[Brett P]

They're both probably married to Logan and are too busy cooking his meals to make an appearance. Considering the premise of the series that's not out of the realms of possibility.

Cracked me up :D

[Kalen O.]

Killing Intent does raise a good point. The real question of whether this counts as an X-Men cartoon will only be answered by how many times Scott yells "JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!!" in the series.

I still maintain its why X-Men: Evolution ultimately failed.

[rwsmith]

They're both probably married to Logan and are too busy cooking his meals to make an appearance. Considering the premise of the series that's not out of the realms of possibility.

Genius! I hope you're right.;)

[Beast]

No updates for a while. So I guess I'll drop this news...

Kari Wahlgren (Saturn Girl from JLU) will be voicing Emma Frost, Zane, and various other characters. Given she's doing multiple voices, it's likely she's either appearing as a villain or as a secondary character in the series.

Roger Craig Smith will be voicing Forge. Much like Emma, it sounds like he'll either be appearing as a secondary character or he'll appear in a guest star role, much like Forge did in the original Animated Series and Evo.

[Deus ex Chris]

She can manage fine with just the absorption powers.
I agree. I'm honestly over Rogue's Ms. Marvel powers. I think there's plenty to be done with her own powers. She doesn't need to permanently steal anyone else's.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Killing Intent does raise a good point. The real question of whether this counts as an X-Men cartoon will only be answered by how many times Scott yells "JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!!" in the series.

I still maintain its why X-Men: Evolution ultimately failed.

Nah


Its not the Jeeeeaaannnss

Its Jean Grey saying "scooootttt"

Thats the real pearl.

Yikes

[Phil Hunn]

They're both probably married to Logan and are too busy cooking his meals to make an appearance. Considering the premise of the series that's not out of the realms of possibility.

I'd laugh, if that wasn't so likely. My God... the more I hear about this cartoon, the less I want to watch it...

[Beast]

A couple rumors/updates have come in. Not confirmed but with some evidence.

Yuri Lowenthal (Superman - Superman: LoSH) is doing Iceman's voice.
Gina Torres (Vixen from Justice League: Unlimited) is doing Storm's voice.
Leigh Allen-Baker (Jean from recent Marvel games) is doing Jean Grey's voice.
Austin St. John (Original Red Ranger) is doing Gambit's voice.
Catherine Disher (Psylocke in Marvel vs. Capcom) is doing Psylocke's voice.

[Kalen O.]

Wait, Iceman is in this now? But that makes all of my complaints meaningless! Man, what a waste of a good bitchfest.

/annoyed

[Beast]

Wait, Iceman is in this now? But that makes all of my complaints meaningless! Man, what a waste of a good bitchfest.

/annoyed
All of the above roles are pretty much confirmed, except for Psylocke's. It could be miscommunication.

As long as he's Beast's upbeat and prankish best friend, I'm sure we'll both be happy. ;)

[Faded]

Gina Torres!?!

Isn't this Nyssie's dream Frenzy?

[streator]

A couple rumors/updates have come in. Not confirmed but with some evidence.

Yuri Lowenthal (Superman - Superman: LoSH) is doing Iceman's voice.
Gina Torres (Vixen from Justice League: Unlimited) is doing Storm's voice.
Leigh Allen-Baker (Jean from recent Marvel games) is doing Jean Grey's voice.
Austin St. John (Original Red Ranger) is doing Gambit's voice.
Catherine Disher (Psylocke in Marvel vs. Capcom) is doing Psylocke's voice.

i have no clue who most of these people are, but am i correct in assuming tommy "tyrannosaurus" is voicing gambit?

i watched power rangers while i was babysitting neighbors a few times, thankfully that stuff missed my generation by 5 years or so.

[Kalen O.]

Okay, Gina Torres doing anything X-Men related is officially awesome.

But wanna know what really cracks me up?

The woman doing Psylocke's voice was the voice of Jean Grey in the original animated series.

And is married to the guy who did the voice of Professor X in the original animated series.

Heh, let Vash have a field day with that one.

[Nyssane]

Gina Torres!?!

Isn't this Nyssie's dream Frenzy?

Yes, but I'll settle for Storm. What would've been even more awesome was if she did the voice of Frenzy. Then, I'd cream my pants.

[Greg Anderson]

Holy crap!! Gina Torres?!?:eek:

I'm psyched. :cool:

[Cable2X]

No Cyclops???

[Greg Anderson]

No Cyclops???

Yeah, his voice actor was already announced months ago. This new list is just giving the names of the remaining characters who's voice actors weren't picked at the time.

[Sparta]

According to Wiki there's been a change in Gambit's voice actor. It previously said Austin "Red Ranger" St. John, but now it confirms that it's Scott MacDonald. According to IMDB he has voiced Gambit in the past in the X-Men Legends video games. He also was a regular in the HBO series Carnivàle as Burley.

I hope it's true, I'm a big fan of Carnivàle

[Brett P]

Iceman, Gambit and Psylocke are all in?!

Wow this series has so much potential - I hope ALL of the characters are part of the X-Men team, and rotate around the different storylines (and inevitably rotate around Logan)

[Matthew K.]

has premiere time & channel dates been announced?

[Beast]

We finally have a new update regarding the series.
Wolverine & The X-Men Animated Series To Premiere On The BBC Network In The UK

We have learned that the new Wolverine & The X-Men animated series is set to premiere in the first quarter of 2008 over in the UK on the BBC network. There has been no word yet on when or where this series will debut in the United States.

[JBKWaka]

It hasn't been Confirmed yet but IMBD states that the series will debut in late 2007

[We R. Venom]

Hmmm, well I hope this show will be very good. With good writers you can't go to wrong. Very nice cast too.

Man I wanna see some new pictures! I should have known better to think they wouldn't include Iceman in this day and age. What with the movies and all. And it's good to see Austen St. John get some work.

[Sean Whitmore]

It hasn't been Confirmed yet but IMBD states that the series will debut in late 2007

The first part of that sentence really takes the excitement out of the second part.


SEAN

[Bart Simpson]

Which characters are confirmed to be in this series?

[HellFrost]

Which characters are confirmed to be in this series?

Here ya go:)

Wiki page on Wolverine and the X-Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_and_the_X-Men)

[We R. Venom]

Sammy the Squidboy? Ahhh what? Well I suppose they need an aquatic X-teen.

[HellFrost]

Yay! I can't believe that Emma is actually included. I would have bet money she would NEVER make an appearance or a mention. I would have liked Jean too at least as recurring. But YAY! EMMA!

[JBKWaka]

Cool It looks like the series was drawn by Ramos :cool:

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

When dose it start and what channel?

[We R. Venom]

When dose it start and what channel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_and_the_X-Men

Read that!

[Beast]

Yay! I can't believe that Emma is actually included. I would have bet money she would NEVER make an appearance or a mention. I would have liked Jean too at least as recurring. But YAY! EMMA!
Apperantly she's just a cameo character. Probably for a HFC storyline.

Because the person playing her is doing multiple voices.

[HellFrost]

Cool It looks like the series was drawn by Ramos :cool:

ILL! lol jk jk. I don't think his art would translate well into something that wasn't meant for adult swim though. I think it more resembles Evolution art which I was a big fan of.

[Citizen V]

I doubt that cartoon will last long.Click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-men_The_Animated_Series) for a real X-Men cartoon.:cool:

[Beast]

I doubt that cartoon will last long.Click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-men_The_Animated_Series) for a real X-Men cartoon.:cool:
Yeah. Cause making a new cartoon for the younger generation to attract new fans is just blasphamy.

[DaeJi]

Well, it's nice I guess to finally see them cut the bs and just call the show what every X-Men film and most cartoons have been so far: Wolverine, guest-starring the X-Men sometimes!

[Beast]

Well, it's nice I guess to finally see them cut the bs and just call the show what every X-Men film and most cartoons have been so far: Wolverine, guest-starring the X-Men sometimes!
I can understand that in regard to the movies...

But he never really was a story hog in the two animated series.

[DaeJi]

True.... the cartoons have been worlds better about focusing on other X-Men besides Wolverine (better than the comics at time!).

[CaptainCanada]

In the first one, Wolverine was a lead character, but only one of several (it's worth noting that his focus episodes have a tendency to not involve other X-Men, since his backstory is so large, compared to other characters, whose focus episodes generally involve the X-Men).

In X-Men: Evolution, I'd go so far as to call Wolverine a minor character; the most prominent adult, sure, but still not as big as most of the teenaged characters.

[sephirothskiller]

I miss X-Men Evolution.

[Deus ex Chris]

WTF? Where is Storm?

[Toboe]

I miss X-Men Evolution.

Me too. I still don't get why didn't they just went ahead with it instead of creating a completely new one, which doesn't even have Storm.

[blinkinrogue]

We finally have a new update regarding the series.

thanks beast. i wonder how this will be shown in my country and what powerset rogue will have.

about storm, wasnt she originally included in the imdb cast??

[HellFrost]

I miss X-Men Evolution.

I don't understand why they couldn't bring it back.



Emma was supposed to be in the next season......:evilangry

[Beast]

WTF? Where is Storm?
Storm's been confirmed.

[Beast]

I don't understand why they couldn't bring it back.



Emma was supposed to be in the next season......:evilangry
Because it's been cancelled for years and they're trying to sell a NEW series.

[Deus ex Chris]

Storm's been confirmed.
I need pictures and acknowledgment from IMDB! They need to recognize!!!

[CmX]

Because it's been cancelled for years and they're trying to sell a NEW series.

We realize that. But the show had kickass ratings hence the "why couldn't it come back" comment.

Psylocke was also slated for the new season. :( Damn you WB.

[CmX]

I need pictures and acknowledgment from IMDB! They need to recognize!!!

Even if she's left out (which she WONT) who cares? She gets attention everywhere else.

[Deus ex Chris]

Even if she's left out (which she WONT) who cares? She gets attention everywhere else.
Obviously, I care.

[blinkinrogue]

I need pictures and acknowledgment from IMDB! They need to recognize!!!

i think storm was confirmed in another comic book site... dont remember which one.

[HellFrost]

We realize that. But the show had kickass ratings hence the "why couldn't it come back" comment.

Psylocke was also slated for the new season. :( Damn you WB.

That's exactly what I heard too. They've also brought back other shows aswell.

Didn't Teen Titans or something along those lines come back after being canceled as well. I wish i could remember exactly what it was.

Also, the WB canceled Reba but brought it back after they saw the fan response.

[CmX]

That's exactly what I heard too. They've also brought back other shows aswell.

Didn't Teen Titans or something along those lines come back after being canceled as well. I wish i could remember exactly what it was.

Also, the WB canceled Reba but brought it back after they saw the fan response.

Reba is sick.

Yeah Teen Titans and JLU had really good ratings and they asked the creators to "pitch" them for the next year season but they wanted them to pitch it like it was a new series to convince them to bring them back and apparently CartoonNetwork wasn't impressed. You'd think the ratings would be enough?

[HellFrost]

Reba is sick.

Yeah Teen Titans and JLU had really good ratings and they asked the creators to "pitch" them for the next year season but they wanted them to pitch it like it was a new series to convince them to bring them back and apparently CartoonNetwork wasn't impressed. You'd think the ratings would be enough?

Agreed. I don't understand how that works.......

[Nyssane]

I still hope Frenzy will make an appearance in an episode or two. That's why I hated X-Men Evolution. They introduced the Acolytes and it consisted of Colossus, Pyro, Gambit, and Sabretooth! UGH! Not even ONE obscure female?!

[blinkinrogue]

I still hope Frenzy will make an appearance in an episode or two. That's why I hated X-Men Evolution. They introduced the Acolytes and it consisted of Colossus, Pyro, Gambit, and Sabretooth! UGH! Not even ONE obscure female?!

if they managed to get squidboy in there... frenzy should have no problem making appearances.

[Deus ex Chris]

I still hope Frenzy will make an appearance in an episode or two. That's why I hated X-Men Evolution. They introduced the Acolytes and it consisted of Colossus, Pyro, Gambit, and Sabretooth! UGH! Not even ONE obscure female?!
I'd like to see Frenzy too. She needs to knock Wolverine around a bit.

[HellFrost]

I still hope Frenzy will make an appearance in an episode or two. That's why I hated X-Men Evolution. They introduced the Acolytes and it consisted of Colossus, Pyro, Gambit, and Sabretooth! UGH! Not even ONE obscure female?!

Those where his Acolytes... I thought they were just an improved Brotherhood...

The best part of the series is Mystiques power up as Pestilence.

[Nyssane]

if they managed to get squidboy in there... frenzy should have no problem making appearances.

Deffo. I just hope they don't make it like X-Men Evolution where a villain only pops up once every five episodes. I want guest-starring villains EVERY EPISODE. That way, I have a strong chance of Acolyte love.

I'd like to see Frenzy too. She needs to knock Wolverine around a bit.

Or they could have Anaconda beat his ass. Either way, I wanna see some chick beat up Wolvie in the cartoons, he gets creamed by girls all the time in the movies.

[Bart Simpson]

Is Jean not in this cartoon? :(

[HellFrost]

Is Jean not in this cartoon? :(

I don't know but I think it's a little weird if she isn't... I hope she is.

[CmX]

I don't know but I think it's a little weird if she isn't... I hope she is.

I just think it's funny that Emma was confirmed before Jean. Maybe we're just left to assume she's auto-confirmed from the announcement of the series.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

i hear psylocke is going to be a bad guy in this....


not sure what to think

[CmX]

i hear psylocke is going to be a bad guy in this....


not sure what to think

I think that was a rumor someone put on wikipedia, it was soon taken off. So I dunno.

[blinkinrogue]

i think if they should include jean grey, they shouldnt make her faint like every time she uses her TK. I mean it's TK! who needs strength when you have TK it's just too useful (and "cool" at the time when only she had it; then a couple of years later characters with TK start popping up).

[Bulky Brent]

The characters seem promising though except they could have done without

Squid boy though but I do like Senator Kelly being in this Cartoon though it will

add a lot of conflict IMO

[rwsmith]

I think they're trying to keep it closer to the comic book continuity (like the 90's cartoon), so Jean is probably not in this because she's currently dead.

[Bart Simpson]

i think if they should include jean grey, they shouldnt make her faint like every time she uses her TK. I mean it's TK! who needs strength when you have TK it's just too useful (and "cool" at the time when only she had it; then a couple of years later characters with TK start popping up).

I hated the way they nerfed her in the original animated series.

Her powers during Evolution were great, however. She did a lot of cool things and came off very powerful as she should be, but still had limits because she was young.

[Bart Simpson]

Here ya go:)

Wiki page on Wolverine and the X-Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_and_the_X-Men)

Thanks for the link. It's kind of weird that both Jean and Ororo are not on there.

[Bart Simpson]

I think they're trying to keep it closer to the comic book continuity (like the 90's cartoon), so Jean is probably not in this because she's currently dead.

But so is Sammy "Squid Boy" Pare.

[rwsmith]

Well, I said "closer," not exact.

[CmX]

I think they're trying to keep it closer to the comic book continuity (like the 90's cartoon), so Jean is probably not in this because she's currently dead.

that'd be hot

[witchboy]

I could swear I 'd hear that Jean would be in this cartoon .

[CmX]

I could swear I 'd hear that Jean would be in this cartoon .

A whole slew of characters were "confirmed" on wikipedia, but I don't think it was an official source and more than half of them were removed after awhile.

It's hard to tell which was which with an unreliable source like wikipedia. :mad:

[Grunty]

I just hope that Marrow will finaly get an apearance in this series.

I was already pi**ed when they gave Spyke (written as Spike) an apearance in X-men 3, which however lead to the irony that nearly everywhere including the official Marvel forum people where asking why they made Marrow a dude in the movie.

Also i am fully aware of the fact that Spyke had only accidently simliarity to Marrow, however i would have thought that after people have hinted them that Spyke resembles her to much that they would give her a single apearance to prevent people from thinking Spyke was a male version of her.

They could have made her his skate rival for a single episode or something like that.
But no instandly they made him a Morlock which even more increased the belive of some people that he is gender swaped Marrow.

So all in all i hope they will give her at least one apearance in Wolverine and the X-men.

Even if she would be a brawling street gang member who gets lectured by Wolverine and then doesn't apears for the rest of the series. I would be already happy with that one.

[sephirothskiller]

I've gotta admit, I'm personally sort of digging the cast so far. I think it'll be good. What's the focus of the storyline going to be? (does anyone know?) His shady past? His sordid present?

[CmX]

I've gotta admit, I'm personally sort of digging the cast so far. I think it'll be good. What's the focus of the storyline going to be? (does anyone know?) His shady past? His sordid present?

Probably WeaponX, or Sabretooth.

Oh well, I'll take that over yet another Phoenix story! woo

[jawbreaker]

so Emma and Psylocke were supposed to appear in season 5 of Evolution? Does anyone know of any other characters that were supposed to have appearred in season 5? I miss Evolution.

[motman96]

But so is Sammy "Squid Boy" Pare.

Seems like they will kill him off early on to show that they are taking it seriously like they did with the 90's show. Though more people probably liked Morph then will like Squid Boy.

[Toboe]

so Emma and Psylocke were supposed to appear in season 5 of Evolution? Does anyone know of any other characters that were supposed to have appearred in season 5? I miss Evolution.

Yep, here are their designs. I dunno of any other that were supposed to appear had the show continued. Damn, it just kept getting better and better, why did it have to go? :(

http://www.stevenegordon.com/sketchbook/images/sketchbook_41p.jpg http://www.stevenegordon.com/sketchbook/images/sketchbook_42p.jpg

[motman96]

so Emma and Psylocke were supposed to appear in season 5 of Evolution? Does anyone know of any other characters that were supposed to have appearred in season 5? I miss Evolution.


Mr. Sinister was suppossed to. They made him for the comic with a terrible over-the-top anime style costume.

http://www.universohq.com/quadrinhos/images/xmen_evol_10.jpg

[HellFrost]

OMG! I have the pic of Emma but Psylockes outfit is much more revealing!?!?!? I don't know how I feel about that.:eek:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good God, that's not Emma. Hell, it isn't even an Skrull posing as Emma.

Same thing for Betsy. Yikes.

[rwsmith]

I've gotta admit, I'm personally sort of digging the cast so far. I think it'll be good. What's the focus of the storyline going to be? (does anyone know?) His shady past? His sordid present?

Hopefully it all centers around Romulus and the Lupine...
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...just kidding.;)

[CmX]

OMG! I have the pic of Emma but Psylockes outfit is much more revealing!?!?!? I don't know how I feel about that.:eek:

My love I think you're afraid that it kinda turned you on... it's okay boo! ;)

[blinkinrogue]

Yep, here are their designs. I dunno of any other that were supposed to appear had the show continued. Damn, it just kept getting better and better, why did it have to go? :(

http://www.stevenegordon.com/sketchbook/images/sketchbook_41p.jpg http://www.stevenegordon.com/sketchbook/images/sketchbook_42p.jpg

whoa.... emma could actually pass for a teacher with that outfit... well... sorta...

[Matthew K.]

whoa.... emma could actually pass for a teacher with that outfit... well... sorta...

Psylocke's design there is unpleasing & dated.

[jawbreaker]

well I think those are cool designs, they fit for the Evoluton world anyway. Though Im sure their outfits would have eventually been toned down a bit. But I really like Steve Gordon's work, I bought his sketchbook & he even drew me a nifty sketch of Chamber on the last page...cool guy!:cool:

[Faded]

Dammit, blue lipstick is not hot.

Betsy's outfit is atrocious, but her headshot is cute. I really liked the CD tattoo, she looks so bare without it now.

[Bulky Brent]

Yeah blue lipstick and blue eyes now thats a killer combo;)

[Toboe]

Maybe their revealing outfits is what got the show cancelled.

[_Jayme_]

Emma's really isn't that revealing for well..Emma anyways. Psylocke looks awesome and is wearing more compared to her 616 counterpart.

[CmX]

Maybe their revealing outfits is what got the show cancelled.

If they were considered that revealing and risky they would have simply asked the character designer to re-design them.

[Spidey-kid1]

I know this isn't in a comic book but its still Xmen. Its only right its in this category too. :D

One the subject of X-men Evolution...
The show has given birth to a new series Wolverine and the X-Men, currently in production, scheduled for Fall 2007. It is not a continuation of X-Men: Evolution, though the same creative team behind the show is returning to work on the new cartoon. Steven E Gordon, Greg Johnson, and Boyd Kirkland have all returned to work on this new series.

Wolverine and the X-Men is an animated TV series that has been confirmed by Avi Arad.[citation needed] Little is known on when it will air. Production on the series has already begun. The first three episodes, which will air as the pilot for the series, are being written by Greg Johnson, who has contributed to several other Marvel animated features.

The following characters have been confirmed by the IMDb:
Wolverine
Cyclops
Squidboy
Iceman
Emma Frost
Senator Kelly
Rogue
Nightcrawler
Angel
Shadowcat
Mystique
Forge
Scarlet Witch

These additional characters have been confirmed by their appearance on an early promotional poster:
Colossus
Professor X
Beast

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b5/Wolverineandthexmen.jpg/300px-Wolverineandthexmen.jpg
Heres the wiki page. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_and_the_X-Men)
Sweet. Both Spectacular Spiderman and this come out in 2008. Not to mention we have that FF show on cartoon network. 2008 is going to be SWEET!!!

[Jase Q]

gah...if Storm isnt in it...im not watching!
Well...yes I am...It would just suck..for me :(.

Anywho....I've been waitin for more news on this.
It feels like its gettin no where and will never be here.

[Affinity]

Emma Frost, hm? Weird for them to do that on a cartoon, lolol.

I wouldn't trust IMDB just yet. It looks like fun though! I look forward to it.

[Beast]

There's a large thread about this with a lot more information, fyi.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=168774

Storm and Emma Frost have also been confirmed. But Emma's only a cameo character. Not a main cast member.

[_Jayme_]

They got Kari Wahlgren from Final Fantasy XII to play as Emma's voice. <3 I was so pleased to hear that. She's great.

They certainly are taking their time to get this out. 2008? It's been in the works since the beginning of '07. It should be out at least before December.

[HellFrost]

They got Kari Wahlgren from Final Fantasy XII to play as Emma's voice. <3 I was so pleased to hear that. She's great.

They certainly are taking their time to get this out. 2008? It's been in the works since the beginning of '07. It should be out at least before December.

That's right. I was wondering where I remembered the name from. Which character did she play? I hope it wasn't Fran because while I love the character, her voice is not Emma-esque.

EDIT: I wikied her and saw that she played Ashe. While not my first choice, I have to say it's not bad and I'm sure she'll make it work.

[_Jayme_]

I know. Fran has a lisp that annoyed me. She played Ashe.

[pariah-1972]

Squidboy? seriously Squidboy??

[CmX]

I was hoping by now we'd get more screenshots or at least charater designs by now. When is this slated to debut?

I hope this isn't cancelled by the 65th episode.

[Matthew K.]

so the light in the background is Dazzler?

[MakeshiftHero]

No m-m-m-m Multiple Man? *sniff* :( :( :(

[Spidey-kid1]

There's a large thread about this with a lot more information, fyi.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=168774

Storm and Emma Frost have also been confirmed. But Emma's only a cameo character. Not a main cast member.

Oh... sorry.:o

[pariah-1972]

I wasn't crazy about Evolution at first but it sort of grew on me especially when they focused on the new mutants more.
the animation style is way to distorted for me to like,
but if its on i might give it a chance.
tho i really don't see the point of having another x-men cartoon i would prefer a new mutants or gen x especially if its going to be marketed to kids.
i would love to see how someone like Chamber would be handled since hes so weird and angsty all the time.
i dont think Wolverine really works all that well in a cartoon especially ones marketed to kids.

[Beast]

We finally have a new update, including a new image. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Wolverine_XMen.jpg

Liberation Entertainment Ink Deal To Distribute 'Wolverine' For DVD And VOD

Liberation Entertainment continue to bolster its increasingly attractive portfolio of titles with the announcement today of a deal with First Serve Toonz for the acquisition of the DVD and VOD rights to a 26 part animated series based on the iconic Marvel characters Wolverine and the X-Men.

Liberation’s multi-tiered deal for one of Marvel’s most popular characters includes confirmation that the BBC has acquired the television rights for the UK.

Jay Boberg, CEO of Liberation Entertainment, said “we are very glad to be involved in this first class original series, and to be working in partnership with Marvel and First Serve Toonz.”

Spencer Pollard, MD of Liberation Entertainment said “Wolverine and the X-Men is a huge franchise and with the Wolverine movie planned for 2008, this should secure huge interest for our DVD releases. With the strong interest in the show from the leading broadcasters around the world, we can ensure that our TV sales team can work strategically with our UK and International DVD sales teams to maximise the returns for everyone

“Liberation is a young and aggressive company and we think they are the perfect team to sell Wolverine and X-Men around the world”, said Ed Borgerding, principal of First Serve Toonz. “The show is a perfect combination of great storytelling, action and fantastic characters. It looks to be a show that will run and run.”

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Holy crap, a cartoon with Cyke/Emma and Jean nowhere to be found?

Might just give it a chance, lol.

Oh, and that adult team just rocks.

[creaky]

That image looks quite a bit better and more polished than the previous one.

[jarrod]

Hott team... Ellis should reuse this lineup for AXSS (plus Tab!).

[pariah-1972]

Wow Wolverines legs look like twigs compared to his upper body.

[MakeshiftHero]

I'm not really feeling Scott's trench coat or his long face.

But I'm sure the cartoon will be pretty good.

[jmc247]

I wonder if it is time yet to change the name of the X-books to the W books. I will have a hard time getting over the name of this series to get myself to watch it.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/poster_xmen3-polish-poster.jpg

[RoguishGurl]

Where is Rogue?!?!?

[pariah-1972]

Where is Rogue?!?!?She absorbed invisible girls powers ;)

[HellFrost]

OMG!!!!!!!!! I love this team shot. Everyone looks fantastic. Especially mah home gurl!!!!!!!!!:D

[jawbreaker]

quite an Astonishing inspired team there..

[mr2core]

Im feeling the team. I just need Rogue up!! Im glad to see Emma up there and Beast with his CLASSIC look...

[CaptainCanada]

Emma! About time we started introducing her to the youngsters as a hero.

That art looks very Mark Brooks-ish to me.

Storm's look is good, too.

[Novaya Havoc]

We finally have a new update, including a new image. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Wolverine_XMen.jpg

!!!! EMMA FROST EMMA FROST EMMA FROST!!!!

I hated EVERYTHING about this until they put EMMA-FREAKIN-FROST in it!

AHHHH!!!! SO EXCITED! This is one step closer to godliness!

But she needs to lose the fug blue lipstick.

[caney]

Cool image! I love X-Men cartoons and I don't mind "Wolverine and the..." title as much as I thought I would.

Hopefully Bobby will show up at some point. He's got a fun personality and he's visually interesting with his powers. I don't know why they don't use him much on the cartoons.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm still cracking up at Cyke's trench. Can't help it. :D

[pariah-1972]

Why do all the gay men here automatically gravitate to Dazzler or Frost?
:confused:

[Joe Acro]

Are Sentinels going to be their first threat? We already did that.

[pariah-1972]

Cool image! I love X-Men cartoons and I don't mind "Wolverine and the..." title as much as I thought I would.

Hopefully Bobby will show up at some point. He's got a fun personality and he's visually interesting with his powers. I don't know why they don't use him much on the cartoons.Well he did co star with Spidey in the eighties but you're right i really don't understand why he hasn't been showcased hes got cool looking powers and hes got a great personality kids would love and relate to.

of course he doesn't get much playtime in the x-men either unless it involves his love triangle with Polaris.

[Beast]

Iceman is supposed to feature in the toon as well. He's being voiced by the guy who voices Superboy, err... excuse me... "Young Superman" on Legion of Superheroes. So don't worry, Caney.

[caney]

Iceman is supposed to feature in the toon as well. He's being voiced by the guy who voices Superboy, err... excuse me... "Young Superman" on Legion of Superheroes. So don't worry, Caney.

Awesome news! Maybe he'll be a younger kid in the new series. I liked that dynamic for him in Evolution.

[CaptainCanada]

Are Sentinels going to be their first threat? We already did that.
They're a cornerstone of the X-Men's rogues gallery, so might as well; previous pilots have pitted them against Magneto and different versions of the Brotherhood, so it wouldn't be any less repetitive to start with them.

I wonder though: with Emma doing her hero thing, how deeply will they go into her backstory? And, if Jean's not in it, is she dead in-continuity, or just never existed.

[Joe Acro]

They're a cornerstone of the X-Men's rogues gallery, so might as well; previous pilots have pitted them against Magneto and different versions of the Brotherhood, so it wouldn't be any less repetitive to start with them.Have they done one with Magneto? The Animated Series started with Sentinels and Evolution started with the Brotherhood. Maybe they're saving him for when his movie is coming out.

[CaptainCanada]

Have they done one with Magneto? The Animated Series started with Sentinels and Evolution started with the Brotherhood. Maybe they're saving him for when his movie is coming out.
"Pryde of the X-Men" had Magneto and his amalgam Brotherhood (including a non-mutant and, unusually, White Queen).

[Beast]

Have they done one with Magneto? The Animated Series started with Sentinels and Evolution started with the Brotherhood. Maybe they're saving him for when his movie is coming out.
X-Men: Evolution featured Magneto in the first season also.

[caney]

Maybe they'll base the beginning on how Ultimate X-Men started.

[Nyssane]

I hope they follow some of the actual storylines from the comics. And use VILLAINS from the comics rather than using characters like Gambit or Colossus as villains. God, Evolution was awful in that retrospect.

[Joe Acro]

"Pryde of the X-Men" had Magneto and his amalgam Brotherhood (including a non-mutant and, unusually, White Queen).Ah.

X-Men: Evolution featured Magneto in the first season also.That's not really the same. He appeared in the third episode of The Animated Series.

It's only a minor complaint and is really only inferred from that poster. They might not be.

[Novaya Havoc]

I hope they follow some of the actual storylines from the comics. And use VILLAINS from the comics rather than using characters like Gambit or Colossus as villains. God, Evolution was awful in that retrospect.

I kind of liked that about Evolution!

Evolution was over for me when Rogue switched sides and her skanky purple-headed friend was revealed as Mystique. I loved the original set-up, though.

Oh, and randomMagma pimpage was a major fail, too.

[Slant]

I thought Gambit and Colossus were sorta cool as Magneto henchmen.:(

[HellFrost]

I wonder which specific powers they are giving Emma. Her Telepathy, or her Tlepathy and her Diamond Form. Just curious if anyone thinks there is a possiblity that that could change.

[CaptainCanada]

If they give her the diamond form in addition to telepathy, that's potentially two action figures, so I think we know the answer.:D

[Nyssane]

I kind of liked that about Evolution!

Evolution was over for me when Rogue switched sides and her skanky purple-headed friend was revealed as Mystique. I loved the original set-up, though.

Oh, and randomMagma pimpage was a major fail, too.

I didn't like that at all. They're heroes in the comics, you knew they wouldn't stay villains in the cartoon and that ruined it for me. Plus, Gambit got SO MUCH SPOTLIGHT, I hated it. Not ONE female villain appeared in the series other than Mystique, Destiny, and Viper. And they were all old, they didn't use any teenage versions of females other than Boom-Boom and Scarlet Witch, both of whom are heroes.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

need to ditch the blue lipstick...she has blue eyeshadow not lipstick...but i'm glad she's in it....worried about the voice casting tho.

I dont want some horrid whiney Xmen evo jean like voice

[CaptainCanada]

worried about the voice casting tho.

I dont want some horrid whiney Xmen evo jean like voice
I seriously doubt they'd cast someone like that; they'll get a sharp British voice for delivering bitchy, sarcastic one-liners.

[CmX]

Emma Frost!! Awesome! I loves it, now I'm all psyched for this show...

[Slung]

They're a cornerstone of the X-Men's rogues gallery, so might as well; previous pilots have pitted them against Magneto and different versions of the Brotherhood, so it wouldn't be any less repetitive to start with them.

I wonder though: with Emma doing her hero thing, how deeply will they go into her backstory? And, if Jean's not in it, is she dead in-continuity, or just never existed.

Well, I guess I know not to watch it.

*grumble...no, Jean...Marvel really hates her right now, don't they...grumble, grumble...*

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

now if only they had psylocke

[The Master Meglomaniac]

I seriously doubt they'd cast someone like that; they'll get a sharp British voice for delivering bitchy, sarcastic one-liners.

This is who doing Emma's voice:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Wahlgren

[Novaya Havoc]

I wonder which specific powers they are giving Emma. Her Telepathy, or her Tlepathy and her Diamond Form. Just curious if anyone thinks there is a possiblity that that could change.

They HAVE to give her diamond form. If you look at that team, there are no bruisers aside from Beast, and Beast is a lame bruiser.

[Beast]

Jean was rumored. And Psylocke's all but confirmed. So don't worry yet.

[CaptainCanada]

They HAVE to give her diamond form. If you look at that team, there are no bruisers aside from Beast, and Beast is a lame bruiser.
Colossus is in the other promo.

[Shadowbrat]

I belive a better Name for the series would be:

"Wolverine and his Astonishing Freinds"

[Novaya Havoc]

This is who doing Emma's voice:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Wahlgren

OMG I love her so much (http://novayahavoc.blogspot.com/2007/09/woman-is-so-emma-frost.html) and she was totally meant to voice Emma! (http://novayahavoc.blogspot.com/2007/09/woman-is-so-emma-frost.html)

This is turning into total hotness!

[rwsmith]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Wolverine_XMen.jpg

Oh, hell yeah!!! I'm definitely in. When does it air?

[creaky]

I disapprove of Kurt's emo hair. But other than that, it's looking better. Storm's gorgeous and I'm thrilled Emma's in it.

[Matthew K.]

Shiat! Looks like they reworked this show since the last poster. Looks a whole a lot better (but no Rogue?)

[CmX]

Ugh Kitty though? I'd prefer Rogue over her...

[Matthew K.]

Well, I'm kinda digging the majority of the costumes (based of the image). 'Cept perhaps Beast.

[Faded]

Ugh Kitty though? I'd prefer Rogue over her...

Right? Maybe the first episode is a visit to Breakworld.

(LOL watch it be Armor and see me be a sad, sad biznitch).

[Matthew K.]

Right? Maybe the first episode is a visit to Breakworld.

(LOL watch it be Armor and see me be a sad, sad biznitch).

As long as Danger stays away it shouldn't be too cringe-inducing. :p

[CmX]

Right? Maybe the first episode is a visit to Breakworld.

LOL How sexy would that be!? Boo to Kitty, we had enough of her ass in Evolution.

[dellicious]

my goddess storm is there
but it makes me sad to not see jean or rogue on there
it feels off wtf

[Bic]

Are Sentinels going to be their first threat? We already did that.

Not only are the Sentinels classic villians as CaptainCanada noted but the visual of people fighting giant robots is just plain neat. Even better, since the Sentinels aren't alive the X-Men are free to whomp on them to their hearts' content. I suspect that one of the difficulties of adapting a comic book to animation is figuring out how to make the fights exciting and in tone with the source material while toning it down enough to deal with squemish broadcasting standards. Beating up robots is always a good cheat when you want a fight that doesn't involve a high body count.

[KittyPryde]

Ugh Kitty though? I'd prefer Rogue over her...

LOL How sexy would that be!? Boo to Kitty, we had enough of her ass in Evolution.

It's NEVER enough Kitty! Glad to see her in (and Rogue is in too....so no need to cry just cause she didn't make the one promo picture). Pull for what you want but no need to begrudge others who do get what they want if its something different. Kitty finished at #18 (and well-above Rogue, whom I also love) in the recent (and still concluding with 4 spots left to name) top 50 Marvel Characters contest here for a reason...

[Joe Acro]

Not only are the Sentinels classic villians as CaptainCanada noted but the visual of people fighting giant robots is just plain neat. Even better, since the Sentinels aren't alive the X-Men are free to whomp on them to their hearts' content. I suspect that one of the difficulties of adapting a comic book to animation is figuring out how to make the fights exciting and in tone with the source material while toning it down enough to deal with squemish broadcasting standards. Beating up robots is always a good cheat when you want a fight that doesn't involve a high body count.That is a good point. Thanks.

It's NEVER enough Kitty!Well, assuming she's written decently.

[Slung]

It's NEVER enough Kitty! Glad to see her in (and Rogue is in too....so no need to cry just cause she didn't make the one promo picture). Pull for what you want but no need to begrudge others who do get what they want if its something different. Kitty finished at #18 (and well-above Rogue, whom I also love) in the recent (and still concluding with 4 spots left to name) top 50 Marvel Characters contest here for a reason...

And Jean finished number 20, ahead of Storm, Emma, Rogue, and Gambit beaten only by Beast, Kitty, Kurt, Scott and Logan. And Jean has been out of commission for the last four years (and being punked by editorial and characters in the books as the "other woman"). She should REALLY be in that cartoon.

[Phil Hunn]

And Jean finished number 20, ahead of Storm, Emma, Rogue, and Gambit beaten only by Beast, Kitty, Kurt, Scott and Logan. And Jean has been out of commission for the last four years (and being punked by editorial and characters in the books as the "other woman"). She should REALLY be in that cartoon.

Pfft. Emma's where it's at these days. Why would you want an all-natural woman when you can have one who's been sutured together from discarded Playboy models? ;)

[UncannyAsianGirl]

I know it's been said before, but where did Rogue go? :p

Eh, we know she's in it, so oh well. :D

Oh, and has anyone else noticed that the design for Emma Frost is almost identical to the design that's on Steven E. Gordon's website (IIRC, he's the art director for this show)? I don't know if it was concept art that was going to be used for X-Men Evo or not, but he did draw her in the style on his site. It looks like it's being recycled for this series.

Check out the sketchbook art section of his website (http://www.stevenegordon.com/). It's in the bottom row, next to his version of Psylocke.

Also, according to the latest entry from his blog (http://stevenegordon.blogspot.com/), "Wolverine and the X-Men" is wrapping up its first season post production.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out...

[GoddessStorm]

I'm positive Storm will be in this show. Halle played her for pete's sake. They're not gonna leave her out, especially since she's been in every past X-Men cartoon.

Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, and Storm are the top X-Men, as I see it. I'm sure that's why they were the main heroes in the movies.

[Pach!]

I'm positive Storm will be in this show. Halle played her for pete's sake. They're not gonna leave her out, especially since she's been in every past X-Men cartoon.

Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, and Storm are the top X-Men, as I see it. I'm sure that's why they were the main heroes in the movies.

Storm is right there in the image. That pretty much confirms her.

I don't see Jean being there...they probably used characters that are in comics so maybe new fans start reading.

[creaky]

Pfft. Emma's where it's at these days. Why would you want an all-natural woman when you can have one who's been sutured together from discarded Playboy models? ;)

Sure, an all-natural woman is where it's at...as long as she looks absolutely flawless, that is. Jean's hardly known for looking homely and if she was, I doubt she would have had as many fans.
Thank GOD for Emma Frost - she looks just like every other gorgeous superwoman out there, but at least she admits it wasn't all given by God.

[steve2275]

I also like that Colossus finally gets to be an X-Man in a cartoon, and not just some guy they run into a couple times. (Yeah, yeah, I know he was one in "Pryde of the X-Men", huge whoop)

SEAN
too bad he isnt taller
(yeah i kno scratched record)

[Alan2099]

I'm suprised Emma is there. I figured there would be a lot moe story possiblities wit hr as a villian than as an X-man.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Selene/Emma catfights...? Periodically kidnapping X-men and then doing bad things to their mind.?

Frost was kinda defined by being one-dimensional as a villain.

[Phil Hunn]

I'm suprised Emma is there.

And I'm surprised that you're surprised, to be honest. Marvel is so busy sucking her cunt right now that Emma was nothing else but a sure bet for this cartoon's line-up - certainly over and above Jean Grey, much to my chagrin.

[HellFrost]

And I'm surprised that you're surprised, to be honest. Marvel is so busy sucking her cunt right now that Emma was nothing else but a sure bet for this cartoon's line-up - certainly over and above Jean Grey, much to my chagrin.

ok. At first I thought it was kind of funny. Then I thought it was annoying. And now I think it's really offensive. Stop saying things like that. I'm sure there are people on these boards who don't feel like reading yours or anyone else's posts that use words or phrases like that. You wanna use those terms, use'em in X-Cress, not here.

Oh. And Emma will never be a villaun, and will always be a good girl gone bad. So get over it. Every time you post, it's the same damn thing over and over and over again. You hate the character development of Emma Frost, we get it. Take your dirty disgusting comments elsewhere.

[GoddessStorm]

Storm is right there in the image. That pretty much confirms her.
Oh, I didn't know there was a second promo pic released. OK, I saw it now, sorry.

As for Jean, she'll surely be in it too.

#1 Wolverine has a famous love triangle between her and Cyclops, and the show will be centered on him. Yeah, if that's not enough to convince you..

#2 The famous Phoenix? I don't think Phoenix who was a smash hit in the 90's cartoon and was featured in the 2 popular films will not be there.

# 3 Jean is simply one of the top dogs. Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, and Jean make up the Astonishing Four. They're always there in X-Men stuff, at least most of the time and especially during big things like films and toons.

[creaky]

Oh, I didn't know there was a second promo pic released. OK, I saw it now, sorry.

As for Jean, she'll surely be in it too.

#1 Wolverine has a famous love triangle between her and Cyclops, and the show will be centered on him. Yeah, if that's not enough to convince you..

#2 The famous Phoenix? I don't think Phoenix who was a smash hit in the 90's cartoon and was featured in the 2 popular films will not be there.

# 3 Jean is simply one of the top dogs. Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, and Jean make up the Astonishing Four. They're always there in X-Men stuff, at least most of the time and especially during big things like films and toons.

If that's so, then all the more reason for them to have announced her presence at this point, to attract more viewers. That love triangle has been done to death and so has the Phoenix, which peaked with the Dark Phoenix saga and hasn't brought anything new to the table since. I seriously hope this is an indication that they're moving on from the same old plots.

[Phil Hunn]

Oh. And Emma will never be a villaun, and will always be a good girl gone bad. So get over it. Every time you post, it's the same damn thing over and over and over again. You hate the character development of Emma Frost, we get it. Take your dirty disgusting comments elsewhere.

I apologise for that. I was in a bad mood at the time, and I shouldn't have done that in the first place.

As for getting over the fact that Emma Frost will never be a villain again... I got over that years back. Since she's made the X-Men's A-List, she'll be going nowhere fast unless somebody really famous wants to turn her heel again. What I won't be getting over any time soon, though, is Marvel continually telling us that Emma should be #1 in our minds.

[rwsmith]

Oh, I didn't know there was a second promo pic released. OK, I saw it now, sorry.

As for Jean, she'll surely be in it too.

#1 Wolverine has a famous love triangle between her and Cyclops, and the show will be centered on him. Yeah, if that's not enough to convince you..

#2 The famous Phoenix? I don't think Phoenix who was a smash hit in the 90's cartoon and was featured in the 2 popular films will not be there.

# 3 Jean is simply one of the top dogs. Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, and Jean make up the Astonishing Four. They're always there in X-Men stuff, at least most of the time and especially during big things like films and toons.

The love triangle is stale and the Phoenix is played out. I hope they use neither in this series. If Jean shows up, it ought to be as Scott's ex. Perhaps she could be a love interest for Logan. But, please, no more love triangle.:rolleyes:

[Henry T.]

All the characters seem to be in their current costumes from the comics.

If/When Jean shows up, she will probably be in her green Phoenix costume. The Phoenix isn't played out as it isn't always a plot device. Sometimes its just Jean's imagery or state of being.

Anyways it probably will be a plot point in this series. They will probably eventually do their version of Phoenix Endsong! :eek:

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I'm suprised Emma is there. I figured there would be a lot moe story possiblities wit hr as a villian than as an X-man.

Emma hasn't been a "villian" for almost 10 years now. Marvel isn't going to change that, there's no secret alliance she has to over throw them, and right now she's a cash cow for the good guys.

Marvel isn't going to take a popular hero and turn them into a villian b/c way back when that's who she used to be. Part of the aim of these tv shows is the hope that some kids will pick up a comic book. If the characters are at least somewhat like thier tv counterparts people will buy more comics.


If Emma were portrayed as a villian it'd confuse people who watch the show then pick up the books (Why is the villian making out with Scott? Is he under some strange sexual spell?...I respect that)


Seriously this "Emma is a villian" crap is old. It's like saying "any day now Storm's going to lose her powers"


The last issue of Xmen that Emma Frost was thought of as a villian was Uncanny 281....we're almost to issue 500

[pariah-1972]

Emma hasn't been a "villian" for almost 10 years now. Marvel isn't going to change that, there's no secret alliance she has to over throw them, and right now she's a cash cow for the good guys.

Marvel isn't going to take a popular hero and turn them into a villian b/c way back when that's who she used to be. Part of the aim of these tv shows is the hope that some kids will pick up a comic book. If the characters are at least somewhat like thier tv counterparts people will buy more comics.


If Emma were portrayed as a villian it'd confuse people who watch the show then pick up the books (Why is the villian making out with Scott? Is he under some strange sexual spell?...I respect that)


Seriously this "Emma is a villian" crap is old. It's like saying "any day now Storm's going to lose her powers"


The last issue of Xmen that Emma Frost was thought of as a villian was Uncanny 281....we're almost to issue 500Did you forget the Astonishing arc where everyone thought Emma was recruiting a new hellfire club?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Did you forget the Astonishing arc where everyone thought Emma was recruiting a new hellfire club?

Kitty Pryde isn't "everyone"....Scott figured it out, Wolverine figured it out, Colossus figured it out...beast...eh can't remember.


"Torn" was basically marvel giving those people that THINK she's going to revert what they wanted to see...except she didn't actually turn...there wasn't a hellfire club it was JUST Emma...and a suggestion by Nova

[pariah-1972]

Kitty Pryde isn't "everyone"....Scott figured it out, Wolverine figured it out, Colossus figured it out...beast...eh can't remember.


"Torn" was basically marvel giving those people that THINK she's going to revert what they wanted to see...except she didn't actually turn...there wasn't a hellfire club it was JUST Emma...and a suggestion by NovaWell you didn't specify who thought Emma reverted.

[Phil Hunn]

Emma hasn't been a "villian" for almost 10 years now. Marvel isn't going to change that, there's no secret alliance she has to over throw them, and right now she's a cash cow for the good guys.

Indeed. And nothing makes Marvel giggle with girlish glee more than the almighty dollar.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Indeed. And nothing makes Marvel giggle with girlish glee more than the almighty dollar.

Oh, come on, Jean and Storm were in the exact same position. Hell, arguably Rogue. There's somewhat of a bias here. ;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As for Jean, she'll surely be in it too.

#1 Wolverine has a famous love triangle between her and Cyclops, and the show will be centered on him. Yeah, if that's not enough to convince you..

#2 The famous Phoenix? I don't think Phoenix who was a smash hit in the 90's cartoon and was featured in the 2 popular films will not be there.

# 3 Jean is simply one of the top dogs. Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, and Jean make up the Astonishing Four. They're always there in X-Men stuff, at least most of the time and especially during big things like films and toons.

Huh, no. They're not exactly promoting the thing as a nostalgic throwback 80s/90s.

Sure, Jean's an A-lister, but she's in limbo.

[CmX]

Just like Rogue will never revert to being a villain again, nether will Emma. I really like Emma, I don't see the problem with her. I'm sick of everyone calling her a "whore" beacause she's with Scott. Uh, Scott was the married one, he made a promise to Jean, NOT Emma.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just like Rogue will never revert to being a villain again, nether will Emma. I really like Emma, I don't see the problem with her. I'm sick of everyone calling her a "whore" beacause she's with Scott. Uh, Scott was the married one, he made a promise to Jean, NOT Emma.

Well, see, the whole Jott thing only really works if they're both saints. The 'meanie' obviously has to be someone else.

Refer to the Cyke/Jean/Logan debacle.

[Phil Hunn]

Just like Rogue will never revert to being a villain again, nether will Emma. I really like Emma, I don't see the problem with her.

She's becoming an all-purpose plot fixer, is the problem. Not only is she apparently a super-duper medical genius (she fixed Polaris after Lorna's turn as the Horseman of Pestilence), but she managed to (a) save the future purely by being Scott's girlfriend, (b) cure him of his psychological issues, and (c) fix his visual problems after years of Jean & Xavier apparently sitting on their hands about them.

And she's playing a key role in X-Men again, too, despite not being an official cast member.

Boo-urns.

I'm sick of everyone calling her a "whore" beacause she's with Scott. Uh, Scott was the married one, he made a promise to Jean, NOT Emma.

Oh, don't worry, I can't stand Scott any longer either.

I'm an equal-opportunity hate-merchant, me :p

[dreyson]

I wish they'd do a Wolverine cartoon with just Wolverine, and none of this Scott/Jean/Emma junk

[GoddessStorm]

If that's so, then all the more reason for them to have announced her presence at this point, to attract more viewers. That love triangle has been done to death and so has the Phoenix, which peaked with the Dark Phoenix saga and hasn't brought anything new to the table since. I seriously hope this is an indication that they're moving on from the same old plots.
All I know is that Jean is an X-Men staple. The only time she seems to be left out are in some of the video games. All other X-Men media has her included for the most part.

Now, after the recent success of The Last Stand, you really think they're not gonna include Jean in this?

To me, that wouldn't make sense.

As for using her to attract more attention, I don't think they have to do that right now with her. We'll see what happens when the toon comes out.

One way or another, she'll be in the cartoon, even if she's just a special guest star, I'm sure. They cannot not include Jean in a project this big.

Jean haters can easily say she's not necessary, but regardless, she sure as hell is expected being one of the most famous and iconic X-Men.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Now, after the recent success of The Last Stand, you really think they're not gonna include Jean in this?

To me, that wouldn't make sense.

I take it you haven't read a single interview during which basically EVERY Marvel editors/writers have said they either disliked the flick or didn't want to talk about it, eh?

PR-speaking, X3 isn't quite in the same league as X1/X2.

[MNM]

Jean haters can easily say she's not necessary, but regardless, she sure as hell is expected being one of the most famous and iconic X-Men.

To the people you have to sell this cartoon and others of it's type to, there is only one iconic X-man who has to be included no matter what. Wolverine. Hence him topping the bill.

[Matthew K.]

It had Ellen Page & that was heart-warming enough for me.

[Omega Alpha]

I'm suprised Emma is there. I figured there would be a lot moe story possiblities wit hr as a villian than as an X-man.

Any story you want to tell with evil Emma Frost you can tell with Selene, Courtney Ross, or any generic evil rich bitch type. She's only unique as one of the X-men.

I take it you haven't read a single interview during which basically EVERY Marvel editors/writers have said they either disliked the flick or didn't want to talk about it, eh?

PR-speaking, X3 isn't quite in the same league as X1/X2.

Yep, Marvel editors and writers are just pretending the movie didn't exist. Which considering that it pretty much ended any chance of having a fourth movie without doing a Batman Begins, was the movie that made less money compared to it's costs (X-men and X2 made twice as much as they costed in the US alone), and was the only one which got more criticism than praise, it's not such a bad idea.

[Phil Hunn]

Now, after the recent success of The Last Stand, you really think they're not gonna include Jean in this?

To me, that wouldn't make sense.

Nobody I know has treated X3 with anything other than the deepest contempt, which it richly deserves.

[Beast]

Nobody I know has treated X3 with anything other than the deepest contempt, which it richly deserves.
Great film. Needed a bit more character development, but it's a fine movie.

[Phil Hunn]

Great film. Needed a bit more character development, but it's a fine movie.

It needed a lot of things. Plot, character development, a decent script, fewer stupid-pointless-idiotic cameos (seriously, super-speed Callisto? What the hell?), a good director... you know, small details like that.

[CaptainCanada]

Which considering that it pretty much ended any chance of having a fourth movie without doing a Batman Begins
The studio didn't want to do another one, anyway; that's why they were planning spinoffs even beforehand.

[Omega Alpha]

It needed a lot of things. Plot, character development, a decent script, fewer stupid-pointless-idiotic cameos (seriously, super-speed Callisto? What the hell?), a good director... you know, small details like that.

Who cares about such details when you can have Halle Berry leading the X-men?

[slayer2005]

Who cares about such details when you can have Halle Berry leading the X-men?

Their battle cry might as well be Halle's Oscar speech.

[Phil Hunn]

Who cares about such details when you can have Halle Berry leading the X-men?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I was too busy thinking about what happens to toads when they get struck by lightning...

[Faded]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I was too busy thinking about what happens to toads when they get struck by lightning...


I'm pretty sure they die.

Or go into a coma.

Either way, its rather unpleasant.

[Phil Hunn]

I'm pretty sure they die.

Or go into a coma.

Either way, its rather unpleasant.

Quite probably. Who's up for some crispy-fried frog?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Who cares about such details when you can have Halle Berry leading the X-men?

The tragic irony here is that she didn't really lead them, lol.