What stories do you like now, that you didn't then, and vice versa?

[Jeff-E]

Just like the title says, what stories have you reread, that you now look at as good, but at the time hated, or just disliked? For me the first one that springs to mind is "The Lion Heart of Avalon" Avengers story. At the time I didn't care for it, but I recently reread the tale, and found it good. I liked the "New Captain Britian" and just thought it was a good story. Vice versa though, I reread the "Death" of Jack of Hearts in the issue before this arc, and thought it seemed pointless, like the writer (Johns, I think) just wanted to kill someone, and Bendis just decided to rewrite his death, the way he wanted to do it. Jack was a character I actually liked from years back (I'm a sucker for Cosmic Marvel). So what about all of you?

[rZi]

this might sound stupid but civil war...the more i re-read it the more i enjoy it. At first i couldn't stand it..but it's growing on me. The same can be said for House of M

[Jeff-E]

this might sound stupid but civil war...the more i re-read it the more i enjoy it. At first i couldn't stand it..but it's growing on me. The same can be said for House of M

I agree whole heartedly with this. Avengers Dis. is another example for me, I liked it at first, then I remembered that Wanda had come to terms with her kids, then I reread some of her breakdown issues from WCA, and other Avengers issues and realized... No matter what this chick is unfreakinstable.

[marshal99]

There was always a reason for Wanda's breakdowns , in WCA she was broken by the dismantling of Vision , and then later , by the dismantling of her twin sons , both thanks to Byrne. There was absolutely NO reason for her to breakdown for avengers dissembled other than a stupid ploy to have Bendis own version of avengers. It's the same with the Hank/Jan spouse abuse thing , a hack writer like Chuck austen brought it back even though they had dealt with that a long long time ago and that Hank & Jan relationship have never been better.

By the end of Busiek avengers run , Wanda had made peace with herself , wonder man and the vision who had regained back his memories and emotions. She had made peace with the loss of her twins a long time ago - in fact , if you recall JLA/Avengers , it was the Vision NOT Wanda that went beserk when he and Wanda discovered that in the real timeline , they had twins and then both were lost to them.

Hack writing is hack writing , no excuses for that. With Joe Q in charge of Marvel , i don't really expect it to change as he doesn't really care for any of the marvel characters.

[Jeff-E]

IMO, she still had snapped a couple times before, so her loosing it again isn't far-fetched to me. Just because she said she was "Feeling much better now" doesn't mean alot to me. Again thats just my opinion though. Are there any stories you like now that you didn't a year or more ago?

[Superheroic]

Well, I've rarely gone back and reread something I disliked before. The only exception I can think of is Bill Sienkiewicz's New Mutants. As a kid/teen/whatever his artwork did not appeal to me. Years later, after having attained a great appreciation for his art I reread all those New Mutants issues and really liked them.

There's at least one comic I didn't enjoy the first time that I'd like to read again now...300.

[a-spidey]

i really liked the maximum carnage story a lot when it came out. But after i got myself last month the paperback i was disappointed. It's really not that good but hey i was a kid back then :D

[zeroEDGE]

I hated the clone saga back when it first came out, but after I re-read it I actually liked it.

[Madison Carter]

The PAD/Purves-era Hulk. The artwork wasn't what I was used to as a Marvel reader, and I still wasn't fully comfortable with the gray Hulk. Now, it's one of my favorite runs.

[PastePotPete]

Not to be negative, but I usually find that it happens the other way for me. A story I liked isn't quite as good when I re-read it later. Maybe this means I'm fickle or a flake. Not sure.

Another thing that does happen to me is I'll think I'm going to drop something because it's just not hooking me, but I'll keep reading because I can't stand not knowing how the story will end. Eventually, I'll grow to love the story and get past whatever problems I had initially. This happened with me on Planet Hulk and Runaways.

[jackolover]

There was always a reason for Wanda's breakdowns , in WCA she was broken by the dismantling of Vision , and then later , by the dismantling of her twin sons , both thanks to Byrne. There was absolutely NO reason for her to breakdown for avengers dissembled other than a stupid ploy to have Bendis own version of avengers. It's the same with the Hank/Jan spouse abuse thing , a hack writer like Chuck austen brought it back even though they had dealt with that a long long time ago and that Hank & Jan relationship have never been better.



By the end of Busiek avengers run , Wanda had made peace with herself , wonder man and the vision who had regained back his memories and emotions. She had made peace with the loss of her twins a long time ago - in fact , if you recall JLA/Avengers , it was the Vision NOT Wanda that went beserk when he and Wanda discovered that in the real timeline , they had twins and then both were lost to them.

I'm so pleased to hear someone elicit my own views on these 2 characters. It goes nowhere making Wanda a psycho. Where can you go? Suicide? Wanda needs to be redeemed and fast.

Hank Pym was another farce, for a character who had great heroism, all of a sudden breaking down and assaulting the Wasp? She could zap his head off! What were people thinking? Sure, Tony drinks, but he goes to AA, and now he's overcome his weakness (?). But, like you say, Hank and Jan are all good these days. Making Hank a psychotic was rediculous, in the context of standard superheros. (Robert -Sentry going nutso because he has to deal with a million suns, is quite plausable)

Edit : But, as to the title, I find I enjoy things less on the re-read, as a rule, with the exception of the CW HFH books. I didn't like the art or the stories, but they grew on me. I am constantly re-reading the CW streak, and the pre-books that are related, and finding new material to post with.

[RazzleDazzle]

When I was a wee girl, I read my uncle’s Fantastic Four book collections. One story I liked was during Byrne's run, the issues where Sue Richards goes into labor and her child dies (later to be ‘reborn’ as Valeria about 15 years later). At the time I thought it was such a sad and heart breaking story.

Recently, I re-read it and now I’m furious over it. Not the fact the child died (because I knew the baby would be ‘safe’) but rather the group of doctors and specialists that Reed Richards got for his wife. Morbius, Langkowski (Sasquatch), Bruce Banner and later Otto Octavius. I’m simply furious there was no Ob/Gyn or a doctor specializing in child birth. None of these gentlemen saw a live birth previously (and I don’t think they saw her giving birth) and it just incinerates me that Byrne couldn’t have made a new character who specializes in mutant/super children birth.

[Omega Alpha]

Hank Pym was another farce, for a character who had great heroism, all of a sudden breaking down and assaulting the Wasp? She could zap his head off! What were people thinking? Sure, Tony drinks, but he goes to AA, and now he's overcome his weakness (?). But, like you say, Hank and Jan are all good these days. Making Hank a psychotic was rediculous, in the context of standard superheros. (Robert -Sentry going nutso because he has to deal with a million suns, is quite plausable)

I thought that Hank's breakdown was at least partially explained by something wrong with the Pym particles driving him nuts, although i don't know for sure.

[Tazirai]

I hated the Onslaught thing when first released, but having reread it, It was pretty cool.

[Mississippienne]

When I was a wee girl, I read my uncle’s Fantastic Four book collections. One story I liked was during Byrne's run, the issues where Sue Richards goes into labor and her child dies (later to be ‘reborn’ as Valeria about 15 years later). At the time I thought it was such a sad and heart breaking story.

Recently, I re-read it and now I’m furious over it. Not the fact the child died (because I knew the baby would be ‘safe’) but rather the group of doctors and specialists that Reed Richards got for his wife. Morbius, Langkowski (Sasquatch), Bruce Banner and later Otto Octavius. I’m simply furious there was no Ob/Gyn or a doctor specializing in child birth. None of these gentlemen saw a live birth previously (and I don’t think they saw her giving birth) and it just incinerates me that Byrne couldn’t have made a new character who specializes in mutant/super children birth.

To be fair, superheroes seem to prefer to stay 'within the community', so to speak. We've seen Doctor Strange handle at least two Avengers births (Scarlet Witch and Vision's twins, and Jessica Jones and Luke's Cage's daughter) even though he's a heart surgeon, not an OBGYN. Perhaps Strange gets called in, too, because they figure he can handle it if the baby comes out shooting laser death-rays or something.

[Madison Carter]

Perhaps Strange gets called in, too, because they figure he can handle it if the baby comes out shooting laser death-rays or something.

Brother, you owe me for the roll of paper towels I just had to use to clean the soda off my computer screen.

[Lord S]

Son of M.

At first I thought it was going to be a stupid spinoff of 'House of M', but it turned out to be pretty decent. A great set-up for 'Silent War'.