So ... did She Hulk sleep with Juggernaut or not?

[Orin GA]

I just read the latest she hulk comic and at the she tells wolverine she never slept with juggernaut. But that exactly what we all saw in uncanny Xmen. So whats the deal here?

[shaunyc56]

She should've just told him the truth, "Yeah, I slept w/ him, and what? Guess what? Luke Cage and I have gotten down too, I like my men taller the 5'3" Runty McRuntenstein!"

[Jake V]

I just read the latest she hulk comic and at the she tells wolverine she never slept with juggernaut. But that exactly what we all saw in uncanny Xmen. So whats the deal here?

Its Dan Slott trying to right what he views as things that are wrong.

"Hulk killed people? I'll say that he 100% has never killed anyone!"

"She Hulk nailed Juggernaut? I'll have her say that she didn't!"

[DarkCrisis]

I think Doc Samson said she's in denial about it

[Orin GA]

Its Dan Slott trying to right what he views as things that are wrong.

"Hulk killed people? I'll say that he 100% has never killed anyone!"

"She Hulk nailed Juggernaut? I'll have her say that she didn't!"


But that just makes her look like a slut AND a liar....

[StoneGold]

But that just makes her look like a slut AND a liar....

She is a lawyer...

[Crimson]

In the same issue she claims she didn't sleep with Juggernaut... she comes on to Wolverine.

She appears to be a bit of a slut either way.

[Beast]

She's just in denial. Given it happened on panel, and we see them in bed together after the deed.

[froma]

Where's Wanda when you need her? :(

[XPac]

She should've just told him the truth, "Yeah, I slept w/ him, and what? Guess what? Luke Cage and I have gotten down too, I like my men taller the 5'3" Runty McRuntenstein!"

Yeah... but saying that probably doesn't work too well 5 seconds after she tried coming onto him.

Hmmm... she slept with her superiors in SHIELD a few issues ago, and she tried sleeping with Logan here. I wonder who she'll try to sleep with in the next issue.

[Zel]

It did happen during Austen's X-men run, but Slott has said it was too out of character for Jen and he's planning on retconning it.

[Haunt]

But that just makes her look like a slut AND a liar....

well isn't that in continuity?

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Its Dan Slott trying to right what he views as things that are wrong.

"Hulk killed people? I'll say that he 100% has never killed anyone!"

"She Hulk nailed Juggernaut? I'll have her say that she didn't!"


The Hulk thing was UNDOING something like that. Slott tried to rationalize a retcon by Bendis to make the Hulk more of a horror/threat and to justify the Illuminati's part in Planet Hulk. It was very recently that Bedis made his actions have a bunch of collateral damage deaths. Stan Lee, and others throughout the Hulk's history have NOT portrayed continual collateral deaths. Although somewhat unrealistic to believe noone ever died accidentally as a result of his actions, it IS a superhero comic, where he didn't blow up in his first appearance/origin, and instead became the Hulk.

Slott wasn't pulling a retcon, he was UN-retconning.

[shaunyc56]

Lets ease up on all that slut talk. Jens a grownup, if she likes to get her legs stretched on a regualr basis thats cool. It's not like she's pathetically filling a hole in her soul or something, er, wait, oh, um.........

[Haunt]

Lets ease up on all that slut talk. Jens a grownup, if she likes to get her legs stretched on a regualr basis thats cool. It's not like she's pathetically filling a hole in her soul or something, er, wait, oh, um.........

it was with a guy who tried to murder her cousin. it'd be like her sleeping with Tony Stark during the upcoming WW-Hulk crossover.

[shaunyc56]

it was with a guy who tried to murder her cousin. it'd be like her sleeping with Tony Stark during the upcoming WW-Hulk crossover.



Hadn't he turned over a new leaf by then. I've watched enough buffy episodes to know super stong hot chicks can excuse all manner of past horrific action to sleep w/ a good looking guy w/ a totured soul.

"Murdering nuns in a convent, I used to love that shit. Wanna do it?"


"Sure"

[Haunt]

Hadn't he turned over a new leaf by then. I've watched enough buffy episodes to know super stong hot chicks can excuse all manner of past horrific action to sleep w/ a good looking guy w/ a totured soul.

"Murdering nuns in a convent, I used to love that shit. Wanna do it?"


"Sure"

turned over a new leaf? maybe, but she did kind of meet him in a prison.

[The Punished]

Just what issues of the UnCanny XMen did this take place? I thought I was current on my UnCanny but now I think different.

Which issues did she try to sleep with Shield guys? All I remember is she falling for the Man-Wolf. I really need to catch up on these issues!

[Dracon]

Heh. No woman in the real world ever slept with a guy and then denied it?
Makes a Jen more realistic character.

Besides, we know she is sexual, its part of her character. After fellows she could break if she sneezed, she probably wondered about someone who can't be stopped when moving....

[Post-It]

it was with a guy who tried to murder her cousin. it'd be like her sleeping with Tony Stark during the upcoming WW-Hulk crossover.

I just read an article ( i forget where) discussing she hulk in which the person being interviewed hinted at her and Tony getting it on. It figures, corporate jerks and lawyers go together like peas and carrots.

[Beast]

It did happen during Austen's X-men run, but Slott has said it was too out of character for Jen and he's planning on retconning it.
She-Hulk sleeping with someone for no reason is out of character? Yeah, right. Heh. :p

[Black Atom]

Heh. No woman in the real world ever slept with a guy and then denied it?
Makes a Jen more realistic character.

Besides, we know she is sexual, its part of her character. After fellows she could break if she sneezed, she probably wondered about someone who can't be stopped when moving....

Ehhh...

There's a difference between being promiscuous and being completely indiscriminating. One trait is part of Jen's character, while the other has not been (until recently, for some reason)

[Beast]

http://www.insidepulse.com/columnImages2006/image29985.jpg

Looks like it happened to me. :D

[Orin GA]

Just what issues of the UnCanny XMen did this take place? I thought I was current on my UnCanny but now I think different.

Which issues did she try to sleep with Shield guys? All I remember is she falling for the Man-Wolf. I really need to catch up on these issues!


Uncanny Xmen 435. This is the first time Im hearing about the SHield guys....

[Black Atom]

And Clone Saga also "happened".

[rwsmith]

In the same issue she claims she didn't sleep with Juggernaut... she comes on to Wolverine.

She appears to be a bit of a slut either way.

So did Logan bang She-Hulk or what? That seems like it'd be an odd pairing...but kind of funny.

[Red Orion]

The Hulk thing was UNDOING something like that. Slott tried to rationalize a retcon by Bendis to make the Hulk more of a horror/threat and to justify the Illuminati's part in Planet Hulk. It was very recently that Bedis made his actions have a bunch of collateral damage deaths. Stan Lee, and others throughout the Hulk's history have NOT portrayed continual collateral deaths. Although somewhat unrealistic to believe noone ever died accidentally as a result of his actions, it IS a superhero comic, where he didn't blow up in his first appearance/origin, and instead became the Hulk.

Slott wasn't pulling a retcon, he was UN-retconning.

Except for the fact Hulk has killed on-panel before so saying the Hulk has never killed anyone is a retcon. He has killed somebody for no reason other than he thought he was a friend of Banner.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

http://www.insidepulse.com/columnImages2006/image29985.jpg

Looks like it happened to me. :D

I dunno... the damage property seems somewhat low there, I´d expect them to have levelled a building in the process.

[Beast]

And Clone Saga also "happened".
Yes it did. Glad we're all still on the same page.

[Haunt]

I dunno... the damage property seems somewhat low there, I´d expect them to have levelled a building in the process.

it was just the one pump. why do you think she's denying she slept with him?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

it was just the one pump. why do you think she's denying she slept with him?


LOL

"- Professor X, I just had the worst lay EVER! I beg you, please erase those 6 seconds from my memory."

[Wessner]

Slott has said that the question of what really happened with She-Hulk and Juggernaut will be dealt with in issue #21. So her most recent denial is setting up that story.

[Haunt]

LOL

"- Professor X, I just had the worst lay EVER! I beg you, please erase those 6 seconds from my memory."

the real reason behind Cain Marko's hatred of his step-brother. :D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

WHY did she sleep with Marko to begin with?

[MAK15]

WHY did she sleep with Marko to begin with?

Super Strength, invunerability, un-stoppable force...
oh wait, did you mean the events that lead to this encoutner or...?

[The Scribe]

But that just makes her look like a slut AND a liar....

She isn't? :p

I don't believe we need this in comics. :rolleyes:

[XPac]

WHY did she sleep with Marko to begin with?

Why did she sleep with him?

"Cause he was there" is probably the most accurate answer to that question.

[Haunt]

WHY did she sleep with Marko to begin with?

why does a man climb a mountain?

[Sparda]

Ok as a curiousity, when she slept with Shield agents, was it as normal Jen or Hulk Jen? In ultimate marvel Jen did had that face of wanting Logan to ravage her in the hulk/wolverine mini. Would'nt doubt she'll want Mr. Howlett. (he does get alot of exotic women from time to time despite being an ugly hiary guy)

[Lukabratzi V2.0]

It would be a really hot experience to bang a green lady

[Haunt]

Ok as a curiousity, when she slept with Shield agents, was it as normal Jen or Hulk Jen? In ultimate marvel Jen did had that face of wanting Logan to ravage her in the hulk/wolverine mini. Would'nt doubt she'll want Mr. Howlett. (he does get alot of exotic women from time to time despite being an ugly hiary guy)

yeah until you consider how many diseases he probably has lingering in his system because the healing factor covers up all of the symptoms.

[StoneGold]

Ok as a curiousity, when she slept with Shield agents, was it as normal Jen or Hulk Jen? In ultimate marvel Jen did had that face of wanting Logan to ravage her in the hulk/wolverine mini. Would'nt doubt she'll want Mr. Howlett. (he does get alot of exotic women from time to time despite being an ugly hiary guy)

She-Hulk. That's the whole gag, as She-Hulk, she has far less self-control. And lately,far less than normal, while far more than normal as Jennifer Walters lately. Her personalities have become more fragmented.

[XPac]

yeah until you consider how many diseases he probably has lingering in his system because the healing factor covers up all of the symptoms.

Given how many disceases Jen herself might be carrying from how often she gets around, I think Logan might actually be the perfect guy for her.

[Enigmanaut]

She is a lawyer...

And if Ally McBeal has taught us anything... ;)

[StoneGold]

And if Ally McBeal has taught us anything... ;)

And Matlock.


Ben was such a whore.

[AuroraNstar]

Given how many disceases Jen herself might be carrying from how often she gets around, I think Logan might actually be the perfect guy for her.
She-Hulk has a healing factor. She healed after being gutted by Wendigo in the latest issue.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

It´s all fun and games til someone start throwing names around.

I think we shouldn´t get carried away here, Jen has slept with several men but I personally don´t consider her a slut.

From the little I´ve read during the Byrne run, she´s a woman in peace with her own sexuality, not a woman who´ll sleep with anyone who says "-Hi!"

[StoneGold]

It´s all fun and games til someone start throwing names around.

I think we shouldn´t get carried away here, Jen has slept with several men but I personally don´t consider her a slut.

From the little I´ve read during the Byrne run, she´s a woman in peace with her own sexuality, not a woman who´ll sleep with anyone who says "-Hi!"

Since the Search for She-Hulk, she's been messed in the head though. Her personalities, both as Jen and as She-Hulk, are becoming more extreme. Basically, the positive mental health she had back that, ain't so positively healthy any more.

[PatchMadripoor]

It would be a really hot experience to bang a green lady

Que up that green dancer from the original Star Trek episode, the Menage-a-troi, no wait, the Menagerie.

Jen is FUN, not a slut. There's a difference.

[Madison Carter]

Well, technically, neither She-Hulk nor Juggernaut appear to actually be sleeping in that panel.

[Crimson]

So did Logan bang She-Hulk or what? That seems like it'd be an odd pairing...but kind of funny.

I can't remember how the conversation ended but I'm pretty sure Wolverine turned her down. Actually, it might of been because he heard she slept with Juggernaut.

It´s all fun and games til someone start throwing names around.

I think we shouldn´t get carried away here, Jen has slept with several men but I personally don´t consider her a slut.

From the little I´ve read during the Byrne run, she´s a woman in peace with her own sexuality, not a woman who´ll sleep with anyone who says "-Hi!"

Well we did see at the start of Slott run she'd had a number of one night stands.

Don't get me wrong when I use the word slut, Wolverine is a total male slut too. I'm not using double standards.

[darkhawk76]

it was with a guy who tried to murder her cousin. it'd be like her sleeping with Tony Stark during the upcoming WW-Hulk crossover.

well that just ruins WWH big shock twist, haven't you heard of spoilers :p

[JoeK32880]

I can't remember how the conversation ended but I'm pretty sure Wolverine turned her down. Actually, it might of been because he heard she slept with Juggernaut.

Correct. She asked him out or something and Wolverine was like "Yeah, right, I don't want Juggernaut's sloppy seconds" and she was all "Why does everybody say we did it?" So. . . yeah.

And as far as I know, she didn't sleep with multiple SHIELD agents, just Jaspet Sitwell, THE SHIELD agent, my favorite one.

Plus, she's still married to John Jameson.

Slut.

[Dracon]

I always saw the fundamental idea behind the She-Hulk as being a woman who is not afraid. No matter what the Avengers issues made out.

Most women in society are constrained by fear of some kind. Fear of going to a rough area on their own. Fear of walking home alone in the dark if the car won't start. Fear of an abusive spouse.

And most common, fear of social disapproval. Being called a slut, or a bitch, or a ballbreaker. Most, of course, don't let that affect their lives too much, but I suspect most women have felt the fear of societys rejection at one time.

The SHe-Hulk, on the other hand, have always seemed to me to be outside that. She is huge, green, invulnerable, and super-strong. She is already stcking way out of societys norms, and she doesn't have much cause for physical fear.
To me at least, shes always been the image of a woman who is outside the constraints of fear.

Which makes the answer to the question "Why did she sleep with the Juggernaut?" -because she wanted to.

That is all she needs, and it doesn't make her a slut.

The problem is just that to a segment of the comic-reading, and probably writing, population, sex is a huge deal. Much bigger than to the average person. That is why there are reactions to things like this.

[Karthak]

So She-Hulk is a slut because she slept with Juggernauth and isn't afraid of one nights stands? Right...I bet the people saying that are virgins who are pissed off because she is getting it regularly and they ain't. :p

[MythicBrawn]

Regardless of what you think of her, Samson said it best, "It's a small community and word gets around." Not too many, if any, guys are going to keep their mouths shut about having sex with She-Hulk. It goes the same for Wolverine, just women instead of men. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Wolverine gets around too. But, if you really want to set him off, be a redhead. Personally, I think as She-Hulk her inhibitions tend to be thrown to the wind. I think they may give her somewhat of a split personality where the Jen personality has blocked out sleeping with Juggernaut. Jen finds it reprehensible to have sex with Marko and refuses to accept that it happened. They are already dropping hints with her questioning herself and the duality of Jen and She-Hulk.

[myslead]

She-Hulk is sleeping around as much as Carol Denvers and pre-married Luke Cage put together if that tells you anything.

[Eric_Carnaby]

Its Dan Slott trying to right what he views as things that are wrong.

"Hulk killed people? I'll say that he 100% has never killed anyone!"

"She Hulk nailed Juggernaut? I'll have her say that she didn't!"


Nah...he would never do that, would he?

Isn't he the Defender of The Continuity?
The Champion Of What's Come Before?

Oh, wait...of course...UNLESS he doesn't like it...:)

[agrich]

Maybe they're playing up the character's sexuality a bit to help sales.

I know a lot of people think it's great and underrated and all that, but I decided to pick up the last 3-4 issues because of the Hulk tie-in, and I don't really get what fans of it like about it. The humor is lame. The art is weak. I have nothing against the character and couldn't possibly care less who she does or doesn't sleep with, but the book just isn't very good right now. Maybe it was at one time.

[NickThompson]

http://www.insidepulse.com/columnImages2006/image29985.jpg

Looks like it happened to me. :D

No no, it's all very easy to explain. Juggernaut clearly fell into some icey water, and risked hypothermia. She Hulk obviously knew that bodyheat can help stop this, and bravely took her clothes off and embraced Cain. She's saving his life!

[Ogrebear]

Oh they so defiantly did it..... and seemed to enjoy it too.

To be fair to She-Hulk (and not Jen) their can't be many men who can satisfy her super strong, semi-invulnerable body's needs. Cain happens to be one who can. Given how sexual She-Hulk can be I can't see why its a problem that she took an opportunity when it presented itself.

It *is* a little distasteful that a lawyer slept with a client, but then the lawyer is Jen and not She-Hulk and their may be personality split issues there... perhaps She-Hulk was 'getting' at Jen the way Hulk sometimes leaves Banner in a bad position as a way of getting to him.

Given I cant remember Cain being with another woman (just long lonley nights with Black Tom....heh...heh...heh) so when a woman you wont break comes on to you can you blame him for not turning her down?

I wonder if they used protection? can you imagine the kids of Juggernaut and She-Hulk? Talk about kids with anger management issues....

[Ogrebear]

Oh they so defiantly did it..... and seemed to enjoy it too.

To be fair to She-Hulk (and not Jen) their can't be many men who can satisfy her super strong, semi-invulnerable body's needs. Cain happens to be one who can. Given how sexual She-Hulk can be I can't see why its a problem that she took an opportunity when it presented itself.

It *is* a little distasteful that a lawyer slept with a client, but then the lawyer is Jen and not She-Hulk and their may be personality split issues there... perhaps She-Hulk was 'getting' at Jen the way Hulk sometimes leaves Banner in a bad position as a way of getting to him.

Given I cant remember Cain being with another woman (just long lonley nights with Black Tom....heh...heh...heh) so when a woman you wont break comes on to you can you blame him for not turning her down?

I wonder if they used protection? can you imagine the kids of Juggernaut and She-Hulk? Talk about kids with anger management issues....

[Dracon]

It *is* a little distasteful that a lawyer slept with a client, but then the lawyer is Jen and not She-Hulk and their may be personality split issues there... perhaps She-Hulk was 'getting' at Jen the way Hulk sometimes leaves Banner in a bad position as a way of getting to him.

I don't think that can have been an issue? They were in Canada, and Jen does not have any degree in Canadian law, so at worst she was there in an advisory capacity.

[AuroraNstar]

Regardless of what you think of her, Samson said it best, "It's a small community and word gets around." Not too many, if any, guys are going to keep their mouths shut about having sex with She-Hulk. It goes the same for Wolverine, just women instead of men. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Wolverine gets around too. But, if you really want to set him off, be a redhead. Personally, I think as She-Hulk her inhibitions tend to be thrown to the wind. I think they may give her somewhat of a split personality where the Jen personality has blocked out sleeping with Juggernaut. Jen finds it reprehensible to have sex with Marko and refuses to accept that it happened. They are already dropping hints with her questioning herself and the duality of Jen and She-Hulk.
Or a little asian woman.

[Neptunicus]

Hey at least she isn't getting it on with the Abomination. The girl has some standards.

I'm waiting for some She-Hulk and Poundcakes or Man-Killer action. Ooh la la.....RAWR!

In all seriousness how could a man resist - she's big and green - I mean the mind does have to wonder.......it might kill me but would it be worth it?

[MAK15]

No no, it's all very easy to explain. Juggernaut clearly fell into some icey water, and risked hypothermia. She Hulk obviously knew that bodyheat can help stop this, and bravely took her clothes off and embraced Cain. She's saving his life!

oh, of course!
why didnt I realize that sooner?
its so obvious, what with Jen being a selfless heroine and all

[XPac]

oh, of course!
why didnt I realize that sooner?
its so obvious, what with Jen being a selfless heroine and all

That's probably what Jen had in mind when she made her pass at Logan. Weather wise it was a bit nippy... she probably just wanted to keep him warm.

Hmmm... I wonder if Jen will be petitioning to join Omega Flight or the Alaskan branch of the Initiative. That's where she's clearly needed most.

[Calybos]

No, she did not sleep with Juggernaut.

Jennifer can be flighty and irresponsible; she has bouts of depression and drunken foolishness; and she can and does flirt with cute guys, including fellow heroes.

But Juggernaut's not on the list. She doesn't sleep with villainous murderers. (Which means Tony Stark is now SOL, by the way.)

[AllisterH]

The funny thing is, I don't ever remember Juggernaut ever trying to murder her cousin a la the Abomination.

The first time they fought, it was because Hulk saved some civilians and got into Juggy's face.

The second time they fought, Cain simply strangled him but left him alive as he was working for the leader at the time and the leader wanted the Hulk alive.

The last time they fought, Hulk *purposely* picked a fight with Juggy while he was WarHulk to test himself for Apocalypse..

You would figure those two over the 40 years would've had more battles but only 3 fights to my knowledge.

Furthermore, when Juggy did sleep with She-Hulk, he WAS actually trying to reform and he was submitting himself to the courts so its not like she slept with old school "I'll beat your ass into the ground just because" Juggernaut.

[XPac]

No, she did not sleep with Juggernaut.

Jennifer can be flighty and irresponsible; she has bouts of depression and drunken foolishness; and she can and does flirt with cute guys, including fellow heroes.

But Juggernaut's not on the list. She doesn't sleep with villainous murderers. (Which means Tony Stark is now SOL, by the way.)

I agree... as someone else commented, it doesn't look like either were doing too much sleeping while they were lying naked together on the bed.

[NormanB]

Where's Wanda when you need her? :(

"No more green sluts."

[Haunt]

The funny thing is, I don't ever remember Juggernaut ever trying to murder her cousin a la the Abomination.

The first time they fought, it was because Hulk saved some civilians and got into Juggy's face.

The second time they fought, Cain simply strangled him but left him alive as he was working for the leader at the time and the leader wanted the Hulk alive.

The last time they fought, Hulk *purposely* picked a fight with Juggy while he was WarHulk to test himself for Apocalypse..

You would figure those two over the 40 years would've had more battles but only 3 fights to my knowledge.

Furthermore, when Juggy did sleep with She-Hulk, he WAS actually trying to reform and he was submitting himself to the courts so its not like she slept with old school "I'll beat your ass into the ground just because" Juggernaut.


you're forgetting the time that Juggernaut worked for the Red Skull. the RED SKULL!

[Gargus]

What issues did she do the nasty with the J man?

[Edward J Cunningham]

Read She-Hulk 2 #21 when it comes out in July. That will answer all your questions!

[Beast]

Read She-Hulk 2 #21 when it comes out in July. That will answer all your questions!
Or it will just be more of She-Hulk in denial. :)

[Magneto_X]

Ahhhhhhh...the beauty of the retcon.

Has anything stuck that Austen did in Uncanny? To think such a great artist like Kia Asamiya was wasted on him.

[XPac]

Ahhhhhhh...the beauty of the retcon.

Has anything stuck that Austen did in Uncanny? To think such a great artist like Kia Asamiya was wasted on him.

I'm honestly suprised someone would bother retconning this to be honest. Not that I was the biggest fan of Jen sleeping with one of her clients or anything, but kind of a small point to retcon all these years later.

[Magneto_X]

WHY did she sleep with Marko to begin with?

Two words: Chuck Austen. It should explain it all.

[Magneto_X]

I always saw the fundamental idea behind the She-Hulk as being a woman who is not afraid. No matter what the Avengers issues made out.

Most women in society are constrained by fear of some kind. Fear of going to a rough area on their own. Fear of walking home alone in the dark if the car won't start. Fear of an abusive spouse.

And most common, fear of social disapproval. Being called a slut, or a bitch, or a ballbreaker. Most, of course, don't let that affect their lives too much, but I suspect most women have felt the fear of societys rejection at one time.

The SHe-Hulk, on the other hand, have always seemed to me to be outside that. She is huge, green, invulnerable, and super-strong. She is already stcking way out of societys norms, and she doesn't have much cause for physical fear.
To me at least, shes always been the image of a woman who is outside the constraints of fear.

Which makes the answer to the question "Why did she sleep with the Juggernaut?" -because she wanted to.

That is all she needs, and it doesn't make her a slut.

The problem is just that to a segment of the comic-reading, and probably writing, population, sex is a huge deal. Much bigger than to the average person. That is why there are reactions to things like this.

I don't think Jen was ever a slut. But I do see her sleeping with Juggernaut as OOC.

He's a freakin' criminal. Someone who regularly with Thor and the X-men trouble trying to kill them. He even fought Hulk, too.

It makes She-Hulk look like she has no standards *at all*.

[Magneto_X]

Oh they so defiantly did it..... and seemed to enjoy it too.

Nothing wrong with that.

To be fair to She-Hulk (and not Jen) their can't be many men who can satisfy her super strong, semi-invulnerable body's needs. Cain happens to be one who can. Given how sexual She-Hulk can be I can't see why its a problem that she took an opportunity when it presented itself.


The problems aren't from Cain's super powers. It's his history. He's a merc who routinely tries to kill supers. And the police and/or army if they get in his way.

If all she wanted was sex/relationship with a meta/mutant there are *plenty* who fit this profile in the super-hero community. Hell, half the Avengers are heavy weights (re: Thor, Wonder Man, Vision etc).

[Beast]

I don't think Jen was ever a slut. But I do see her sleeping with Juggernaut as OOC.

He's a freakin' criminal. Someone who regularly with Thor and the X-men trouble trying to kill them. He even fought Hulk, too.

It makes She-Hulk look like she has no standards *at all*.
If she held some sort of grudge, she wouldn't be acting as his lawyer. ;)

[Magneto_X]

(Which means Tony Stark is now SOL, by the way.)

Tony Stark's busy going after Carol Danvers at the moment (re: Ms. Marvel #13 [Vol.2], Mighty Avengers #1).

[Kaos]

I just read the issue...doesn't seem all that out there.

meh

Why are people complaining? So they screwed around..big whoop.

[Magneto_X]

The last time they fought, Hulk *purposely* picked a fight with Juggy while he was WarHulk to test himself for Apocalypse..


Actually, in that fight Juggs was hired to kill the Hulk by the New World Order (before Apocalyse blew them up) with the help of the Absorbing Man.

Marko is a mercenary, after all.

[Magneto_X]

If she held some sort of grudge, she wouldn't be acting as his lawyer. ;)

As a lawyer she has to table those issues. Off duty, OTOH, is a different story.

[Orin GA]

I just read the issue...doesn't seem all that out there.

meh

Why are people complaining? So they screwed around..big whoop.

DOnt really care who she sleeps with, its they denying part I dont understand.

[XPac]

I just read the issue...doesn't seem all that out there.

meh

Why are people complaining? So they screwed around..big whoop.

Normally 2 consenting adults sleeping together is no big deal.

But Jen was her lawyer, and sleeping around with your client professionally is a no-non.

Even taking that into account I suppose it's not a huge deal. It's unprofessional on her part, but that doesn't make her a bad person or anything.

[XPac]

As a lawyer she has to table those issues. Off duty, OTOH, is a different story.

Yeah, but if Jen had a personal grudge she wouldn't choose to be his lawyer at all. She could always defer him to another lawyer if her personal feelings factored into the equation one way or the other.

So I'm assuming if she's CHOOSING to defend him (not to mention hop into bed with him), there's no bad feelings between them.

[Beast]

No bad feelings at all. In fact, they look pretty satisfied to me.

If Joey Q. allowed smoking, you just know they'd be lighting up after. ;)

[Magneto_X]

Yeah, but if Jen had a personal grudge she wouldn't choose to be his lawyer at all. She could always defer him to another lawyer if her personal feelings factored into the equation one way or the other.

So I'm assuming if she's CHOOSING to defend him (not to mention hop into bed with him), there's no bad feelings between them.

Can't argue with that.

[Frank]

Gorilla Man did her.

[MAK15]

Gorilla Man did her.

god, the first thing I thought was 'King Kong' roleplaying.

[Ogrebear]

I don't think that can have been an issue? They were in Canada, and Jen does not have any degree in Canadian law, so at worst she was there in an advisory capacity.

She-Hulk/Jen was seen defending him in court. She also turns up in New Excalibur defending him in an English court.

I guess her degree is in 'International super human defence'!

I am personally looking forward to a proper on panel meet up
"Yeah so did we?...." [awkward pause]
"Yes we did..." [some looking at the scenery]
"Wanna go again..?" [long looks into each others eyes]
"Sure...."

[Calybos]

Sleeping with a client is unethical.

And sleeping with a loathsome slimeball VILLAIN is unconscionable. Randy or not, Jennifer wouldn't stoop to banging a villain with anything but her fists.

[Beast]

Sleeping with a client is unethical.

And sleeping with a loathsome slimeball VILLAIN is unconscionable. Randy or not, Jennifer wouldn't stoop to banging a villain with anything but her fists.
Well, it certainly doesn't look like she was using her fists. Unless they're into that sorta thing. ;)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Two words: Chuck Austen. It should explain it all.

Austen had her sleep with him for practically no reason? Was she in her right mind? Was she blackmailed into doing it? Why the HELL would Jennifer sleep with Marko of all people?

[Beast]

Austen had her sleep with him for practically no reason? Was she in her right mind? Was she blackmailed into doing it? Why the HELL would Jennifer sleep with Marko of all people?
Because he was there.

[XPac]

Sleeping with a client is unethical.

And sleeping with a loathsome slimeball VILLAIN is unconscionable. Randy or not, Jennifer wouldn't stoop to banging a villain with anything but her fists.

Technically Juggernaut wasn't a villian by that point, if that helps any.

[shaunyc56]

Gorilla Man did her.


I will not beleive that until someone can find out if Gorilla man is hung like a Gorrila, or a Man. (Although, why the hell else be Gorilla man)

[Loner]

IObviously, that wasn't Jen, it's the Super Skrull in deep cover impersonatin Jen who slept with Juggernaut.

As for her more recent sluttitude(and as depicted, yeah, she's been slutty, not promiscuous, bringing random dudes over to Avengers Mansion to the point that the others complain), since her exposure to that red dust and Wanda's mucking around, She-Hulk has clearly been a little off her rocker and they seem to be steering her towards another mental breakdown. Which I don't really care for as I would like to think that Jen would have the sense to keep up her therapy appointments after seeing what happens when she loses control like Bruce.

[shaunyc56]

IObviously, that wasn't Jen, it's the Super Skrull in deep cover impersonatin Jen who slept with Juggernaut.

As for her more recent sluttitude(and as depicted, yeah, she's been slutty, not promiscuous, bringing random dudes over to Avengers Mansion to the point that the others complain), since her exposure to that red dust and Wanda's mucking around, She-Hulk has clearly been a little off her rocker and they seem to be steering her towards another mental breakdown. Which I don't really care for as I would like to think that Jen would have the sense to keep up her therapy appointments after seeing what happens when she loses control like Bruce.

If Jen enjoys smashing, then she should smash. I just hate that she was gonna get busy w/ ol' runty. I mean, Luke Cage, John Jameson, hell Even Juggernaut,I get it, but, Clawsy Devito?

[dreyga2000]

WHY did she sleep with Marko to begin with?

She was crutizing him for his immense stupidity then Juggernaut revealed that he was actually quite intellgiente had opinions about politics, enviorment, civil rights and etc. Jen was impressed then asked about his oponion on femennism... next page their in bed and he says sometimes women are just plane better....

Seems to me they apparently mashed some meat but hey... who knows:rolleyes:

[AllisterH]

The thing about Juggernaut is that he isn't dumb.

He's not like Hydro-man or Absorbing Man who don't have two brain cells between them but like he told Colossus in Spider-woman, people just assume just because he's a hulking brute, he's dumb.

Remember, this was a guy who HAS/HAD the ability to learn magic and unlike DC, where it is a racial thing, in marvel, you have to have at least average intelligence to be able to do magic.

The thing is, his powerset doesn't really lend itself to "tricks" like Graviton and Magneto.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. Juggy at the time WAS trying to turn the corner and Jen never struck me as one who held a grudge especially given that Thor has regularly tried to beat her cousin's ass into the ground

[Cthulhudrew]

The thing about Juggernaut is that he isn't dumb.

Wait... what?

He's not like Hydro-man or Absorbing Man who don't have two brain cells between them but like he told Colossus in Spider-woman, people just assume just because he's a hulking brute, he's dumb.

Or it could be because he's often written as, you know, dumb. The guy's not exactly a brain trust.

Remember, this was a guy who HAS/HAD the ability to learn magic and unlike DC, where it is a racial thing, in marvel, you have to have at least average intelligence to be able to do magic.

When did he ever learn magic? I'm not bashing, I'm genuinely curious. I seem to recall he had tapped into some of Cyttorak's power at some point and could use it, but that seems more like him drawing on a raw source of power rather than any sort of real mastery of the arts like Doc Strange does. Sort of like throwing a can of paint at a canvas instead of using a paintbrush.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. Juggy at the time WAS trying to turn the corner and Jen never struck me as one who held a grudge especially given that Thor has regularly tried to beat her cousin's ass into the ground

Well, I'd say that one key difference is that Thor doesn't go around trashing property for monetary gain, nor threatening and brutalizing innocents. When he's gone toe to toe with the Hulk, it is because he's been trying to prevent stuff like that from happening. Juggs, on the other hand, has a long history of putting self-interest above everything else, and She-Hulk had no real reason to believe that might have changed since she wasn't around to watch him with Sammy and the X-Men. Heck, she wasn't even present when he helped save the world from the other Exemplars. (Though, admittedly, she might have heard about that.)

[AllisterH]

Wait... what?

Or it could be because he's often written as, you know, dumb. The guy's not exactly a brain trust.

When did he ever learn magic? I'm not bashing, I'm genuinely curious. I seem to recall he had tapped into some of Cyttorak's power at some point and could use it, but that seems more like him drawing on a raw source of power rather than any sort of real mastery of the arts like Doc Strange does. Sort of like throwing a can of paint at a canvas instead of using a paintbrush.



1. His first appearance back in the original X-men run. Its mentioned that he was at a prestigous school but since he was younger than the rest (implying he wasn't no dummy) he was picked on and once he got home, he then picked on the weaker Charles.

2. When trapped in the Crimson Cosmos, he learned how to do magic (weak magic but still, he showed the ability to learn) and to get loose, he gave up that ability.

3. Cain isn't supposed to be Stark smart or hell even Spidey level smart. He's supposed to be "average" intelligence along the lines of Bobby Drake or Johnny Storm. Hydro-man _IS_ a pure idiot and is what keeps him from being a serious threat.

[Beast]

Exactly. I don't know where people keep getting the idea that Juggernaut is an idiot.

[Cthulhudrew]

Exactly. I don't know where people keep getting the idea that Juggernaut is an idiot.

Like I said, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that he's been written that way more often than not.

[Jmacq1]

Haven't they said that a lot of Juggernaut's "stupidity" was induced by the fact that Cytorrak was subtly influencing him? Basically fueling his base emotions to try to eventually take him over completely?

Marko's supposedly of at least average intelligence. And in the issue in question, was making a fairly diligent effort to reform. If Jen's supposed to have a problem with that, I guess she needs to hold a grudge against Hawkeye and Black Widow too, right? They were villains once, too, after all.

Also worth noting that Marko was often a whole lotta talk and not as much action when it comes to killing folks. Of course he's probably been retconned into a child-killer like the Hulk now, but one of the points they brought up when he was reforming was that while he was certainly violent and destructive, he was rarely murderous, much less successfully so.

[Beast]

Until of course Tieri decided he didn't like Cain being a compassionate reforming baddy. And made him responsible via massive retcon to the slaughter of an entire village, including women and children. :p

[Haunt]

Exactly. I don't know where people keep getting the idea that Juggernaut is an idiot.

he is an idiot. and a bully. it's always been this way. otherwise, the X-Men would never have been able to defeat him. Black Tom was always the brains of that pairing; very "Of Mice and Men."

[spiralgeist]

I can't help but wonder about the details of their relationship. They often seemed more devoted to each other than mere friends. And although I have UXM 435, it never occured to me when Juggy said "Sometimes women are just plain better than men" that maybe he has batted for both teams. Now there's a thought.

[shaunyc56]

I can't help but wonder about the details of their relationship. They often seemed more devoted to each other than mere friends. And although I have UXM 435, it never occured to me when Juggy said "Sometimes women are just plain better than men" that maybe he has batted for both teams. Now there's a thought.


No lie. I always thought maybe Tom and Juggy did the double crank dance once or twice. Wouldn't influence how I felt about them either way.

[rZi]

muscley green skinned women sleeps with massive ginger out-of-proportion guy.....1 word.....yuck.

[Black Atom]

Until of course Tieri decided he didn't like Cain being a compassionate reforming baddy. And made him responsible via massive retcon to the slaughter of an entire village, including women and children. :p

Silly. Everyone knows that in the Marvel U, it's the heroes that get progressively unscrupulous and villains become increasingly sympathetic.

[Beast]

he is an idiot. and a bully. it's always been this way. otherwise, the X-Men would never have been able to defeat him. Black Tom was always the brains of that pairing; very "Of Mice and Men."
No he's not. A bully yes, but he's not an idiot in any way, shape, or form.

[Dr. Killbydeath]

From the run that gave you "Nightcrawler IS a demon", "Angel needs a sword", "Angel is a pedophile" and "Northstar is INTO Iceman"....


Can't all of Austen's run be considered a What If? Like "What if the X-men were all retarded stereotypes"?

[Pendaran]

Like "What if the X-men were all retarded stereotypes"?

Piotr Rasputin: "Lenin's ghost Comrade! You talk as though the X-men hasn't spent whole decades being about stereotypes! Nuclear Wessels!"

Storm: "By the Goddess! What irony, in a book about themes of tolerance!"

Gambit: "Zut alors! Zest Fuli Cleen!"

Sunfire: "You have offended my honour, again!"

Banshee: "Someone's after me lucky charms!"

Seriously though, read some.. giant size X-men and the issues around then, X-men and stereotypes go together like... something that really goes together with stereotypes.

That said, yes, Austen's writing was crap.

[Dr. Killbydeath]

Ok, racist stereotypes were everywhere in the 80s, but Austen used women (and homosexuals) as beings of sex. That's all they thought about, it was their entire purpose. Except for Jubilee, who just stood there at the end of his run (and went from overweight to anerexic in the matter of half an issue).

Also, I think it would be funny if they turned Magneto and/or Kitty into Jewish stereotypes.

[AllisterH]

he is an idiot. and a bully. it's always been this way. otherwise, the X-Men would never have been able to defeat him. Black Tom was always the brains of that pairing; very "Of Mice and Men."

Yeah but just because Black Tom was the "face" didn't make Cain the idiot. B.A. Barracus and Hannibal are an example of what I thought they were. Sure, Hannibal was the "brains" of the organization and came up with all the plans but that doesn't mean the rest of the A-team were idiots.

Beside, his whole power-set is tailor made for the X-men. He kicks their ass physically but given the well known Achilles Heel, the X-men can take him down pretty much every time (how many X-men teams didn't have a telepath on them? There's Xavier, the greys, Emma Frost and Psylocke. At least one of them is always around).

[myslead]

Gambit: "Zut alors! Zest Fuli Cleen!"

Gambit is not french ...

and Banshee would be drunk 24/7.

[Dr. Killbydeath]

Gambit is not french ...

Cajun people speak french.

[Mideon]

How come when girl comic book character get laid all these nerds run out saying they're a slut? You just wish you could have sex with She-Hulk hahah

[Dr. Killbydeath]

Because if any real person had that much sex with different people in the period of time that She-Hulk has, they would be a slut.

Who says that they wouldn't want to sleep with her? She's hot, but she's still a slut.

[Beast]

Ok, racist stereotypes were everywhere in the 80s, but Austen used women (and homosexuals) as beings of sex. That's all they thought about, it was their entire purpose. Except for Jubilee, who just stood there at the end of his run (and went from overweight to anerexic in the matter of half an issue).

Also, I think it would be funny if they turned Magneto and/or Kitty into Jewish stereotypes.
Jubilee commented at Skin's funeral about wanting to have sex with him.

[Crimson]

How come when girl comic book character get laid all these nerds run out saying they're a slut? You just wish you could have sex with She-Hulk hahah

Daredevil and Wolverine are male sluts... it works both ways.

[sgt pepper]

So when I post about a character being a slut in jest, it gets deleted, but these dozens of genuine slut comments here are just fine? The moderating on these boards (really just the Marvel ones) drives me bonkers. This post will probably be deleted. Bye bye.

[Dr. Killbydeath]

Jubilee commented at Skin's funeral about wanting to have sex with him.

=/


I hate Austen so much.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Daredevil and Wolverine are male sluts... it works both ways.

I disagree.

Society rules dictate that man-sluts be called studs and thus offered cigars and pats in the back whereas women who sleep around get called names that rhyme with "hore".

If Batman scored with Wonder Woman, there would be a crowd lining up to congratulate the guy.

If Wonder Woman slept with Batman, well....

[Black Atom]

Although I acknowledge the double-standard that applies to female promiscuity, even at my most cynical I can't really imagine a scenario in which which Wonder Woman would be called a slut for having sex with Batman.

Speaking for myself, the problem is not with She-Hulk getting laid, it's that she'd do it with a douchebag like the Juggernaut. The fact that She-Hulk is portrayed as less and less descriminating about her sexual partners only shows that certain writers aren't mature enough to tell the difference between promiscuity and nymphomania.

[blackphoenix]

In the same issue she claims she didn't sleep with Juggernaut... she comes on to Wolverine.

She appears to be a bit of a slut either way.


Now come on, since when does having a healthy sexual appetite make you a slut??? Let's stop the name callin, folks. And if a woman can be a slut, so can a man, dammit.

Errr...did she do Juggie or not?

[Beast]

Although I acknowledge the double-standard that applies to female promiscuity, even at my most cynical I can't really imagine a scenario in which which Wonder Woman would be called a slut for having sex with Batman.

Speaking for myself, the problem is not with She-Hulk getting laid, it's that she'd do it with a douchebag like the Juggernaut. The fact that She-Hulk is portrayed as less and less descriminating about her sexual partners only shows that certain writers aren't mature enough to tell the difference between promiscuity and nymphomania.
But that's only because you're a fan of She-Hulk, right?

Honestly, I've never seen her standards as high. And they're consenting adult characters.

[Beast]

Now come on, since when does having a healthy sexual appetite make you a slut??? Let's stop the name callin, folks. And if a woman can be a slut, so can a man, dammit.

Errr...did she do Juggie or not?
There's nothing healthy about...

"Logan, I did not have sexual relations with Cain Marko! .... So. umm.... wanna do it?"

[Black Atom]

But that's only because you're a fan of She-Hulk, right?

I like both characters, really. That's not really the issue.

Honestly, I've never seen her standards as high. And they're consenting adult characters.

That isn't a free pass. Consenting adults make scat films.

Considering Jen used to hook up with guys like Wyatt Wingfoot and Ben Grimm and passed on advances from the likes of Star Fox, who she considered an arrogant jerk, it seems odd that she'd hop in bed with an overgrown bully who's hobbies include destroying property, theft and beating up her comrades. One'd think that would offend her sensabilities as a superhero and a lawyer, if not as a person.

[Haunt]

Eric O'Grady's quite slutty. no, seriously.

[Haunt]

No he's not. A bully yes, but he's not an idiot in any way, shape, or form.

he didn't know that a Bloody Mary has tomato juice in it.

[bat2supe]

I didn't read what seems to be some high standard of writing but just 1 question:

If Jenny & Juggy really made it, shouldn't the Xavier's Institute be totally destroyed ???

Come on, what kind of bed can support that kind of treatment ??? :) :) :) :p

[Haunt]

I didn't read what seems to be some high standard of writing but just 1 question:

If Jenny & Juggy really made it, shouldn't the Xavier's Institute be totally destroyed ???

Come on, what kind of bed can support that kind of treatment ??? :) :) :) :p

an often overlooked magical artifact...the BED OF CYTTORAK!!!!

[Archer]

Gambit is not french ...

and Banshee would be drunk 24/7.

Oh come on, you can't focus on the drinking and ignore the genius that the X-Men get an Irish character . . . whose family were killed by terrorists! Genius.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Although I acknowledge the double-standard that applies to female promiscuity, even at my most cynical I can't really imagine a scenario in which which Wonder Woman would be called a slut for having sex with Batman.



Please.

She´s already called every demeaning term in existence now, despite still being a virgin.
Can you imagine what names people would have to INVENT the moment she actually starts having sex?

[AllisterH]

he didn't know that a Bloody Mary has tomato juice in it.

Er, I didn't know that a Bloody Mary has tomato juice in it until I was in my mid-20s. Cain is a beer and pretzels man and I'm betting you many other people that only drink beer wouldn't know what that is.

EDIT: Didn't Slott show that she slept with Starfox of her own free will?

EDIT2: Wasn't Jen the one who was admiring Namor's body while dating Wyatt back during their time together on the Avengers?

Wasn't she and Janet the one who had "rank the male avengers?"

I always considered Jen to be like Janet Van Dyne in terms of sexuality and Janet, according to the Giant-man limited series from the 70s, pretty much will bang anything that strikes her fancy.

So how come Janet doesn't get the slut label?

[Haunt]

Er, I didn't know that a Bloody Mary has tomato juice in it until I was in my mid-20s. Cain is a beer and pretzels man and I'm betting you many other people that only drink beer wouldn't know what that is.

EDIT: Didn't Slott show that she slept with Starfox of her own free will?

EDIT2: Wasn't Jen the one who was admiring Namor's body while dating Wyatt back during their time together on the Avengers?

Wasn't she and Janet the one who had "rank the male avengers?"

I always considered Jen to be like Janet Van Dyne in terms of sexuality and Janet, according to the Giant-man limited series from the 70s, pretty much will bang anything that strikes her fancy.

So how come Janet doesn't get the slut label?

Paladin personally gave Janet the slut label after test-driving her in '92. Dane Whitman just considered her a tease. and Pym considered her a raging _______ after calling him 'creepy' right after they slept together.

for the sake of moral equivalency, i there needs to be a list made of the loosest marvel males (counting mostly one-night stands or commitment-free relationships). my nominations....

Jamie Madrox - who knew that two-timing was a mutant power
Starfox - most famous cosmic whore in the marvel universe
Hercules - guy has no standards & likes to brag about his conquests
Remy Lebeau - it's his rep but i haven't seen it
Clay Quartermain - it takes 2 Clay
James Howlett - he fathered the marvel universe, apparently
Paladin - a woman in every port for this man-ho
Johnny Storm - it's what separates him from the other 3
Parker Robbins - more sleazy than slutty but prostitute shopping w/ a pregnant wife?!
Eric O'Grady - the trifecta: sexist - unfaithful - & barely discriminating
Nick Fury - what female SHIELD agent hasn't seen Nick's 'howling commando?'
Luke Cage - i miss cape-chaser Luke
Tony Stark - all of the people under him are hot women. hmmm.
Erik Lehnsherr - wow, sure has slept with a lot of humans for a mutant supremacist
Henry McCoy - basically a sport for the good doctor
Warren Worthington III - he's got to do something inbetween wasting his mutant gifts
Roberto Dacosta - well he sure chased a # of women back in the day

[Black Atom]

Please.

She´s already called every demeaning term in existence now, despite still being a virgin.

Wha? By whom?


Can you imagine what names people would have to INVENT the moment she actually starts having sex?

Probably not, but then I just learned that WW is universally reviled 5 seconds ago.

[PatchMadripoor]

Remy Lebeau - it's his rep but i haven't seen it



Logan and Remy went to the Madripoor bar to have a chat about having Wolvie come back to the X-men, and the crash through the window to Logan's surprise birthday party. Most of the working girls who know "Patch" because the Madame Joy is one of Wolverine's oldest supporters and fellow adventurer, and a conquest. Anyways, most of the girls "know" Remy on a first name basis, and it's hinted at maybe more.

Back to the topic... Jen/She-Hulk is foot loose and fancy free in the bed room, and why does that make her bad? She is a Hulk, a "bad girl", not one of the squeemish Marvel Universe ladies.

[myslead]

Cajun people speak french.

but it's not the same french as in speaking french from FRANCE.

it's like comparing the english of the united states to the english of the uk.

If Wonder Woman slept with Batman, well....

the same thing applies when a guy gets to sleep with three girls at the same time, he gets to be called a king, but if a girl sleeps with three guys, she's called a slut lol.

[StoneGold]

Paladin personally gave Janet the slut label after test-driving her in '92. Dane Whitman just considered her a tease. and Pym considered her a raging _______ after calling him 'creepy' right after they slept together.

for the sake of moral equivalency, i there needs to be a list made of the loosest marvel males (counting mostly one-night stands or commitment-free relationships). my nominations....

Jamie Madrox - who knew that two-timing was a mutant power
Starfox - most famous cosmic whore in the marvel universe
Hercules - guy has no standards & likes to brag about his conquests
Remy Lebeau - it's his rep but i haven't seen it
Clay Quartermain - it takes 2 Clay
James Howlett - he fathered the marvel universe, apparently
Paladin - a woman in every port for this man-ho
Johnny Storm - it's what separates him from the other 3
Parker Robbins - more sleazy than slutty but prostitute shopping w/ a pregnant wife?!
Eric O'Grady - the trifecta: sexist - unfaithful - & barely discriminating
Nick Fury - what female SHIELD agent hasn't seen Nick's 'howling commando?'
Luke Cage - i miss cape-chaser Luke
Tony Stark - all of the people under him are hot women. hmmm.
Erik Lehnsherr - wow, sure has slept with a lot of humans for a mutant supremacist
Henry McCoy - basically a sport for the good doctor
Warren Worthington III - he's got to do something inbetween wasting his mutant gifts
Roberto Dacosta - well he sure chased a # of women back in the day

You forgot the biggest man-slut in the Marvel Universe.

http://www.mvstamps.com/images/101purplemd.jpg

You miss cape chase Luke? Wait a minute, you miss a characterization that Bendis created?

[Mideon]

Daredevil and Wolverine are male sluts... it works both ways.

I can only even think of 5 chicks Daredevil's nailed. Even if it's as many as ten, that's still not "slutty". BTW it really emasculates DD by using the word "slut" in reference to him.

[Haunt]

You miss cape chase Luke? Wait a minute, you miss a characterization that Bendis created?

what's so weird about that? Bendis didn't start sucking until after Alias.

[XPac]

Now come on, since when does having a healthy sexual appetite make you a slut??? Let's stop the name callin, folks. And if a woman can be a slut, so can a man, dammit.

Errr...did she do Juggie or not?

The thing with Jen is that she's down with these one night stands in certain situations that many would consider inappropriate.

A lawyer sleeping with her client is kind of a no-no. And Jen is still married, isn't she? Yet she's still sleeping around with her superior officer in SHIELD (arguably another no-no) and Wolverine.

I'm not saying it's exactly fair to say she's a slutt... but behavior like hers does kind of open her up to criticism.

[Ogrebear]

I have always seen She-Hulk as a bit of a flirt. From her orginal apperances through to Slott's series She-Hulk has always had that sexy, slinky edge that Jen Walters does not have.

If Hulk is raw anger and strength vs Banner's scientific nerdity then She-Hulk is Jen's sensuality, lust and party side vs Jen's logical, lawyer trained quietness.

Evidence of flirtiness abounds, but I like this one:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/436622810_2c732a6b48_o.jpg

[myslead]

lol who's the bear man?

[DoctorDoom]

The thing with Jen is that she's down with these one night stands in certain situations that many would consider inappropriate.

A lawyer sleeping with her client is kind of a no-no. And Jen is still married, isn't she? Yet she's still sleeping around with her superior officer in SHIELD (arguably another no-no) and Wolverine.

I'm not saying it's exactly fair to say she's a slutt... but behavior like hers does kind of open her up to criticism.
"open her up" indeed.

On a serious note I can't believe the amount of times the word slut was used here!

[Sam T.]

Yes She-Hulk did sleep with Juggernaut!!

[XPac]

lol who's the bear man?

That I believe was Ursa Major, a member of the Russian superhero team Soviet Super Soldiers.

[AllisterH]

That I believe was Ursa Major, a member of the Russian superhero team Soviet Super Soldiers.

That is a great example of Jen I think. Most other female heroes (hell, most FEMALES) would have the good graces to look away or at least blush. Not our Jen though.

She's taking a long and good look at the guy and has no problem coming up with a quip.

P.s. What issue was this where Havok, She Hulk and the Soviet super-soldiers actually got together? Looks interesting.

[Haunt]

That is a great example of Jen I think. Most other female heroes (hell, most FEMALES) would have the good graces to look away or at least blush. Not our Jen though.

She's taking a long and good look at the guy and has no problem coming up with a quip.

P.s. What issue was this where Havok, She Hulk and the Soviet super-soldiers actually got together? Looks interesting.

X-Men vs the Avengers, iirc.
http://www.geocities.com/jshayer/comics/xmnvsavg.htm

[Dermie]

.
And Jen is still married, isn't she?

That is unclear--it hasn't been established yet whether they have ended their marriage or not. But at the very least, they seem to be separated...and considering that the marriage was the result of mental tampering, it really isn't valid in the first place. She may be married on paper, but it wasn't something she did of her own free will--and she immediately asked for an annulment once she learned that.

[Dermie]

If Jenny & Juggy really made it, shouldn't the Xavier's Institute be totally destroyed ???

Come on, what kind of bed can support that kind of treatment ??? :) :) :) :p

They weren't in the Institute at the time...but the bed they were in WAS wrecked, and there was other damage to the room.

for the sake of moral equivalency, i there needs to be a list made of the loosest marvel males (counting mostly one-night stands or commitment-free relationships). my nominations....

Jamie Madrox - who knew that two-timing was a mutant power

And given that some of Jamie's dupes have been shown as gay or bi, he has quite a range of potential casual lovers...

Remy Lebeau - it's his rep but i haven't seen it

Wasn't there something about him being in a sex tape during his last solo book?

Clay Quartermain - it takes 2 Clay

Has Clay been in other one night stands? I'm not sure if it is fair to include him among the likes of Starfox, Tony Stark and Paladin after sleeping with Shulkie one time.

Johnny Storm - it's what separates him from the other 3

And there is still the question of what happened between him and Carol Danvers during that weekend in Vegas....

Another candidate:
Genis-Vell - apparently he took after his Uncle Eros; he had a dual-gendered aline f**k buddy, he seduced the mistress of a Kree general; he had a one-night stand with a cosmic entity, and during his time with the T-Bolts he screwed around with Joystick and tried to get into Songbird's pants.

[Mariah]

Jen isn't a slut. She may be promiscuous, but her she is free from inhibitions that we place on ourselves.

[superclerk]

I guess Austin was trying to "empower" her however, it made her look bad. Lawyers can't/don't (or shouldn't) sleep with clients. Granted she may not have a grudge however, a person can have no grudges and not sleep with with someone. Some folks say that She Hulk was not a lawyer. This is not correct, She Hulk has said she was an atterny and has been called a lawyer in the past. She-Hulk even goes by the name Jen.

Instead of making her look empowered it made her look unprofessional. It makes it looks like women are willing to throw away a career that they worked hard for in order to have a good roll in the hay.

[Mideon]

That is a great example of Jen I think. Most other female heroes (hell, most FEMALES) would have the good graces to look away or at least blush. Not our Jen though.

Blush? Man I swear you guys think this is the 60's or something the way you visualize the "common woman".

[XPac]

Jen isn't a slut. She may be promiscuous, but her she is free from inhibitions that we place on ourselves.

Isn't the definition of the word slut a promiscuous woman? Or is there other criteria that needs to be met to qualify for the term?

[Mideon]

Slut doesn't mean anything. It's just a word uptight or jealous people throw around.

[Black Atom]

Isn't the definition of the word slut a promiscuous woman? Or is there other criteria that needs to be met to qualify for the term?

Maybe in the 1950's, but I'd like to think we've progressed a little bit since then. If the word should be used at all, it should be reserved for someone who's sexual behavior is particularly unscrupulous, which doesn't really apply to She-Hulk's trademark flirtiness/promiscuity. Sleeping with the Juggernaut, a villain AND a client, shows a conspicuous lack of judgement on Jen's part, if nothing else, however.

[Haunt]

Maybe in the 1950's, but I'd like to think we've progressed a little bit since then. If the word should be used at all, it should be reserved for someone who's sexual behavior is particularly unscrupulous, which doesn't really apply to She-Hulk's trademark flirtiness/promiscuity. Sleeping with the Juggernaut, a villain AND a client, shows a conspicuous lack of judgement on Jen's part, if nothing else, however.

give me an example of unscrupulous sexual behavior.

[Black Atom]

give me an example of unscrupulous sexual behavior.

Cheating on your mate or with somebody else's is probably a pretty "slutty" thing to do, for example

[Haunt]

Cheating on your mate or with somebody else's is probably a pretty "slutty" thing to do, for example

but She-Hulk is cheating on her mate. :confused:

[Dermie]

but She-Hulk is cheating on her mate. :confused:

She and her "mate" are separated, and their marriage isn't technically valid in the first place since Jen was not in her right mind at the time. Under the circumstances, I don't think that really qualifies as "cheating".

[DoctorDoom]

She and her "mate" are separated, and their marriage isn't technically valid in the first place since Jen was not in her right mind at the time. Under the circumstances, I don't think that really qualifies as "cheating".
Yeah, I agree w/ that.

[Wessner]

She and her "mate" are separated, and their marriage isn't technically valid in the first place since Jen was not in her right mind at the time. Under the circumstances, I don't think that really qualifies as "cheating".
Although She-Hulk and John rushed into marriage due in part to Starfox's love zap on her, John's actually in love with her and they had been living together for months before that. Despite its circumstances, the marriage is legally valid until it can be annulled and there's no indication that's happened yet. We also don't know the full circumstances behind the separation, who left whom and what promises were made or broken. The fact that the story hasn't revealed this means it's dangerous to jump to conclusions about it. Perhaps most telling is that we don't know yet how Jen Walters feels about the situation.

[Ogrebear]

I do think that John Jamerson/separation issue was also gotten out of the way with a casual 'he's staying in the stars...' line because having someone as powerful as Stargod around during Civil War esp. when Jen might be in danger would kinda stop Civil War happening.

I do hope John stays as Stargod (cos hes cool like that) and him and Jen can sort stuff out amicably.


EDIT: Just as a thought- perhaps John should go and join in the Annihilation storyline??

[Dermie]

Although She-Hulk and John rushed into marriage due in part to Starfox's love zap on her, John's actually in love with her and they had been living together for months before that.

Yep, I'm aware of that. But John being in love with her doesn't mean Jen feels the same way. Jen appeared to be on the verge of breaking up with him when Starfox interfered.

Despite its circumstances, the marriage is legally valid until it can be annulled and there's no indication that's happened yet.

The legality of it can be challenged on the basis that Jen did not marry him of her own free will. But I wasn't talking about legal validity so much as moral and emotional validity--Jen did not want to marry John, and does not consider herself to be married. In her heart, it is not a real marriage.

We also don't know the full circumstances behind the separation, who left whom and what promises were made or broken. The fact that the story hasn't revealed this means it's dangerous to jump to conclusions about it.

Granted. But what we do know is a) Jen married John because Starfox's powers had messed with her mind. b) When she learned this, she asked for an annulment. c) They are currently separated, and she is not sorry about that. d) She has gone back to her maiden name. e) She is sleeping with other men again.
Under those circumstances, I think we can reasonably conclude that Jen does not consider herself to be a married woman.

[Haunt]

Although She-Hulk and John rushed into marriage due in part to Starfox's love zap on her, John's actually in love with her and they had been living together for months before that. Despite its circumstances, the marriage is legally valid until it can be annulled and there's no indication that's happened yet. We also don't know the full circumstances behind the separation, who left whom and what promises were made or broken. The fact that the story hasn't revealed this means it's dangerous to jump to conclusions about it. Perhaps most telling is that we don't know yet how Jen Walters feels about the situation.

agreed. ..........................

[Wessner]

Yep, I'm aware of that. But John being in love with her doesn't mean Jen feels the same way. Jen appeared to be on the verge of breaking up with him when Starfox interfered.

The legality of it can be challenged on the basis that Jen did not marry him of her own free will. But I wasn't talking about legal validity so much as moral and emotional validity--Jen did not want to marry John, and does not consider herself to be married. In her heart, it is not a real marriage.

Granted. But what we do know is a) Jen married John because Starfox's powers had messed with her mind. b) When she learned this, she asked for an annulment. c) They are currently separated, and she is not sorry about that. d) She has gone back to her maiden name. e) She is sleeping with other men again.
Under those circumstances, I think we can reasonably conclude that Jen does not consider herself to be a married woman.
I certainly agree that the unusual circumstances surrounding the marriage means that it cannot be given the same weight as a normal one. But the history of the relationship of both characters leading up to the marriage means that it cannot be dismissed either. Its validity seems to rest somewhere in between.

Jen didn't do a single one of the things you say she did. She-Hulk did all that. As we're seeing in the current arc, the differences between Jen and She-Hulk have been getting stronger. She has different values and different actions in her human and hulk forms, so much so that she's started arguing with herself about them. Even before the current series we've seen that she can be simultaneously in love with two different people as She-Hulk and as Jen Walters. So while She-Hulk's actions seem to suggest that she feels the marriage is over, we don't know yet if Jen Walters thinks that's the case. The argument we saw certainly suggests that Jen is unhappy with She-Hulk's current behavior.

[Jack]

When in doubt: Skrull. In fact, they were both Skrulls! As for how quickly they jumped into bed together... well, if you're completely surrounded by hideous inflexible aliens for months or years at a time, then you'd jump at your only chance to get some too. It was just two Skrulls getting it on, nothing else.

[XPac]

I certainly agree that the unusual circumstances surrounding the marriage means that it cannot be given the same weight as a normal one. But the history of the relationship of both characters leading up to the marriage means that it cannot be dismissed either. Its validity seems to rest somewhere in between.

Jen didn't do a single one of the things you say she did. She-Hulk did all that. As we're seeing in the current arc, the differences between Jen and She-Hulk have been getting stronger. She has different values and different actions in her human and hulk forms, so much so that she's started arguing with herself about them. Even before the current series we've seen that she can be simultaneously in love with two different people as She-Hulk and as Jen Walters. So while She-Hulk's actions seem to suggest that she feels the marriage is over, we don't know yet if Jen Walters thinks that's the case. The argument we saw certainly suggests that Jen is unhappy with She-Hulk's current behavior.


I wonder if Jen Walkters thinks She-Hulk is a slut.

[Mariah]

Isn't the definition of the word slut a promiscuous woman? Or is there other criteria that needs to be met to qualify for the term?
No, a slut is a term coined from males who have an inferiority complex. Guys can't handle sexually confident women. Afraid we might laugh in their face because they are really really bad.

[XPac]

No, a slut is a term coined from males who have an inferiority complex. Guys can't handle sexually confident women. Afraid we might laugh in their face because they are really really bad.

That's interesting... most guys I know don't have a problem with sluts at all. There's a upside to the guy not having to do all the work.

[Mariah]

Edit. Nevermind.

[hyzmarca]

I'm pretty sure that slut is a term coined by women who have an inferiority complex. Really, it stems from that unique combination of fear an dlonging known as jealousy and is exacerbated by the human tenancy towards serial monogamy. "Slut" is synonymous with "homewrecker", the callous and amoral woman who "steals" men from 'Decent God-fearing Christian' (henceforth known as DGC) women and then throws them away after the divorce to move on to the next conquest.


Of course, the DGCs don't see that this is an inherent flaw with pure monogamy due to the possessory nature of the relationship. It can easily be solved with the judicious application of Free Love accompanied with polyamory and polygamy.

Yeah, I'm a stinkin' hippie.

As such, It seems to me that JJ should accept her little trysts with a caveat that he can watch any lesbian action that might occur, and he can have some trysts if his own if he wants and let her watch any hot guy-on-guy stuff that he might be involved in.

A man's fears of a promiscuous mate primarily concern false paternity, which is quite groundless in today's world of cheap effective contraception and easy DNA tests. The other fears, those related to serial monogy, are just as easily aliviated by accepting Free Love.

[StoneGold]

No, a slut is a term coined from males who have an inferiority complex. Guys can't handle sexually confident women. Afraid we might laugh in their face because they are really really bad.

Yeah. I've never heard a woman call another woman a slut. Because the sisterhood is just too strong, and no woman would ever demean another woman.

[Mariah]

Yeah. I've never heard a woman call another woman a slut. Because the sisterhood is just too strong, and no woman would ever demean another woman.
We do, don't get me wrong. But it's more along the lines of a man calling another man a fag. For some reason it's supposed to take away from one's womanhood. You're not a lady because you're sexually active. Or sleeping with their man.

[Sijo]

I didn't know they were planning to retcon the Juggernaut thing, but while it doesn't bother me that much, I hope they do. I have no problem with a female character, even one who stars in her own series, being sexually active or not having a steady relationship. I *am* bothered by the idea of a superhero sleeping with a supervillain. It's like a cop sleeping (knowingly) with a criminal. Now, I know they were trying to reform Jugs for a while there, and this may have happened at the time, but I expected Jen to have better taste in men. In fact, didn't they have her sleep with Blizzard too!? Is that all it takes to get her- just be a hero or a reformed villain? Tell me that doesn't make her look like a slut. At the least have her stablish some sort of relationship with her dates first. Sheesh.

[XPac]

I didn't know they were planning to retcon the Juggernaut thing, but while it doesn't bother me that much, I hope they do. I have no problem with a female character, even one who stars in her own series, being sexually active or not having a steady relationship. I *am* bothered by the idea of a superhero sleeping with a supervillain. It's like a cop sleeping (knowingly) with a criminal. Now, I know they were trying to reform Jugs for a while there, and this may have happened at the time, but I expected Jen to have better taste in men. In fact, didn't they have her sleep with Blizzard too!? Is that all it takes to get her- just be a hero or a reformed villain? Tell me that doesn't make her look like a slut. At the least have her stablish some sort of relationship with her dates first. Sheesh.

Juggernaut was already reformed by the time she was sleeping with him... that's why she bothered defending him in court in the first place.

I had issues with her sleeping with Juggy too... but he didn't sleep with a villian. She slept with a guy that had legitimately changed for the better.

[Tobias March]

Juggernaut was already reformed by the time she was sleeping with him... that's why she bothered defending him in court in the first place.

I had issues with her sleeping with Juggy too... but he didn't sleep with a villian. She slept with a guy that had legitimately changed for the better.

Interesting slip ;)

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Yes

But as i've said before

Juggernaut only slept with She-hulk because he thought her 4 inch clitoris was a penis.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Why would they even bother with a retcon of this ? It just happened in 1 issue 4 years ago .

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It did happen during Austen's X-men run, but Slott has said it was too out of character for Jen and he's planning on retconning it.

Yeah I'd waste my time on a issue that happened 4 years ago and that odds are people would forget in time. Then according to posters he sorta makes Jen come on to Wolverine in said issue. I'm sorry Dan ...but this is just sad.

Its a sad " why waste time on it ? "

[Tobias March]

Why would they even bother with a retcon of this ? It just happened in 1 issue 4 years ago .

Yes but it would be interesting for a retcon to be to the good, instead of explaining away grey hairs or other such nonsense.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yes but it would be interesting for a retcon to be to the good, instead of explaining away grey hairs or other such nonsense.

How is this even an issue ? Its not a Gwen Stacy level one to even debate. She had a one night stand with Cain . The 2 never were never seen as a couple again. People would forget it odds are . But if Slott wants to he can do his silly retcon and make it a huge issue and make it one where more will debate it.

[Beast]

How is this even an issue ? Its not a Gwen Stacy level one to even debate. She had a one night stand with Cain . The 2 never were never seen as a couple again. People would forget it odds are . But if Slott wants to he can do his silly retcon and make it a huge issue and make it one where more will debate it.
And noone will care but Dan Slott and a few She-Hulk fans.

The average fan isn't going to buy the issue gasping for the "True story behind the sex." reveal.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And noone will care but Dan Slott and a few She-Hulk fans.

The average fan isn't going to buy the issue gasping for the "True story behind the sex." reveal.

It'll blow up as they reveal the retcon in the issue. We know it'll happen. People will pick it up to see how Slott does the retcon and if its gonna be silly as what he's retconning away. A 1 night stand.

[Beast]

It'll blow up as they reveal the retcon in the issue. We know it'll happen. People will pick it up to see how Slott does the retcon and if its gonna be silly as what he's retconning away. A 1 night stand.
Exactly. It effects nothing. It's like doing a massive retcon because Beast once said he liked Ho-Ho's better than Twinkies. Or something equally pointless. It was one night stand, in one issue, and the only people obsessing over it are the people who want it retconned. Noone else cares.

[Cthulhudrew]

Why would they even bother with a retcon of this ? It just happened in 1 issue 4 years ago .

I'd say the fact that this thread has gone on for 13 pages now, and is even being participated in by people who seemingly don't care about She-Hulk or her sex life says something.

What, I'm not sure, but something.

[DoctorDoom]

I'd say the fact that this thread has gone on for 13 pages now, and is even being participated in by people who seemingly don't care about She-Hulk or her sex life says something.

What, I'm not sure, but something.
It says, "Sex attracts attention."

[Ogrebear]

I could be wrong but I am fairly sure that the 'incident' between She-Hulk and Juggernaut happened before she and John Jamerson where an item and thus she was cheating on no-one.

Slott has written She-Hulk as happy to sleep around too- anyone remember vol1 where she was having parties and different partners every night? She was turned down by an underwear model as 'too shallow'! So when a 10' tall reformed powerhouse was available do you think She-Hulk (not Jen) would say no??

[Froggy]

the true question is.....does it REALLY matter?


does it now?

it was like.....four years ago........i'm suprised people are STILL talking about it

it's not like Norman "I effed yo girl parker" osborn's level of sexual activity

[Cthulhudrew]

So when a 10' tall reformed powerhouse was available do you think She-Hulk (not Jen) would say no??

Sure- steroids are known to cause sexual dysfunctions, so its possible that "magical steroids" (like Cyttorak's gem) could do the same. Why risk a bad time? ;)

[Angel of Death]

I wonder who she'll try to sleep with in the next issue.

I hope it's me!

[blackphoenix]

No, she did not sleep with Juggernaut.

Jennifer can be flighty and irresponsible; she has bouts of depression and drunken foolishness; and she can and does flirt with cute guys, including fellow heroes.

But Juggernaut's not on the list. She doesn't sleep with villainous murderers. (Which means Tony Stark is now SOL, by the way.)

Sooo..why the hell were they naked in bed together????

[Tobias March]

I could be wrong but I am fairly sure that the 'incident' between She-Hulk and Juggernaut happened before she and John Jamerson where an item and thus she was cheating on no-one.

Slott has written She-Hulk as happy to sleep around too- anyone remember vol1 where she was having parties and different partners every night? She was turned down by an underwear model as 'too shallow'! So when a 10' tall reformed powerhouse was available do you think She-Hulk (not Jen) would say no??

See that's the part that irks me personally. Because what it boils down to is Chuck Austen's own take on 'man of steel - woman of kleenex', but less funny and just unnecessary.

Does it get my knickers in a twist? No feck that - but in answer to the thread, if Slott were to retcon this I can't say I'd mind.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Sooo..why the hell were they naked in bed together????

Jen had an itch that only Cain Marko can scratch baby ! :p

[Dan_Slott]

Over 200 posts.
Over 13 pages long.
Over 6,000 views.
So... This is a topic nobody cares about? ;)
Shyeah, right.

And that's all I've got to say about it...
...until SHE-HULK Vol.2 #21.

ttyl
Dan

[StoneGold]

See that's the part that irks me personally. Because what it boils down to is Chuck Austen's own take on 'man of steel - woman of kleenex', but less funny and just unnecessary.


I don't even think it was so much that. It was Marvel trying to redeem Cain for... what, the third time by that point? Shulkie was just a tool to show the redemption. Plain and simple. Ostrander pulled a similar bit with her in Heroes for Hire, although that just ended with a date I believe, not in on-panel post-coital pillow talk.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Over 200 posts.
Over 13 pages long.
Over 6,000 views.
So... This is a topic nobody cares about? ;)
Shyeah, right.

And that's all I've got to say about it...
...until SHE-HULK Vol.2 #21.

ttyl
Dan

A lot of us think its a big joke though. Hell scroll thru and many of us are wondering what the big deal is since it happened.....4 years ago , in a issue of Uncanny X-Men that most forgot. Its pretty funny that of all the men She-Hulk nailed Cain Marko gave her the comic book version of the clamp of some kind. :p

To add I actually plan on picking up #21 of She-Hulk to see how this goes.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.insidepulse.com/columnImages2006/image29985.jpg

Looks like it happened to me. :D

Yeah baby the scene that keeps on giving ! :)

[Beast]

A lot of us think its a big joke though. Hell scroll thru and many of us are wondering what the big deal is since it happened.....4 years ago , in a issue of Uncanny X-Men that most forgot. Its pretty funny that of all the men She-Hulk nailed Cain Marko gave her the comic book version of the clamp of some kind. :p

To add I actually plan on picking up #21 of She-Hulk to see how this goes.
Exactly. Hell, most of the posts are from people going.... "Who cares?"

[SUPERECWFAN1]

the true question is.....does it REALLY matter?


does it now?

it was like.....four years ago........i'm suprised people are STILL talking about it

it's not like Norman "I effed yo girl parker" osborn's level of sexual activity

If writers care this much why don't they retcon true crimes against comic characters like what happened to Gwen in Sins Past ? Thats a crime right there Dan. How about you walk into Joe Quesada's office and go "Ok , this ruined an important building block with Spiderman's history. Lets go ahead and retcon this outta existance and say it never happened ok and explain it away ."

Of course I can't wait til She-Hulk nails Norman Osborn. I will crap my pants laughing when the Goblin Gooker gets another babe. I'm thinking Norman and Clint Barton are running a contest on how many chicks they can get. :evilsmile

[Brian M.]

I think it harms Juggernaut's character to be sleeping w/ a girl like. I mean Jenn has been AROUND!!!!!

I think it demeans Juggernaut's attempts at redemption. Why sleep w/ girl w/ loose morals when your trying to fix your image?

Shame on you Juggy for sleeping w/ the golly green tramp.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Exactly. Hell, most of the posts are from people going.... "Who cares?"

I'm actually laughin my ass off as we speak. This will be the funniest thread of the year. I wish it sells a ton for Slott as I enjoyed his GLA mini-series.

[PatchMadripoor]

For Devil's Advocate sake, let's say it actually matters that She-Hulk slept with Juggernaut. If she accepts it, it may make her sexually free (or for those of us who are uptight about sex, a slut). but it is part of her foot-loose fancy free lifestyle we love about Shulkie.

However, if she is denying it, then Jen, like Bruce, may have trauma from her own in regards to sex (something we see more and more today in reality) and She-Hulk may be her way of dealing with it. It's not Jen Walters someone is sleeping with, it's She-Hulk, and it's her mental defense mechanism. We all know she did the beast with two backs with Cain Marko.

If it is, then this could be the initial warning signs that Jen is having problems like her cousin that may lead to further complications within herself in the future.

[Kefky]

I don't think you guys are giving Dan enough credit here. He's been dancing around the subject for about two years now. If he wanted to retcon it, he would've done it already. To be honest, I think he's just kidding around with the way certain creators use "protective continuity". PAD did the same thing in his hulk run.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I don't think you guys are giving Dan enough credit here. He's been dancing around the subject for about two years now. If he wanted to retcon it, he would've done it already. To be honest, I think he's just kidding around with the way certain creators use "protective continuity". PAD did the same thing in his hulk run.

I'm gonna get the issue to see what he does. It should be fun. I personally don't care. I never realized it was such a big deal .

[Kefky]

I'm gonna get the issue to see what he does. It should be fun. I personally don't care. I never realized it was such a big deal .

When it comes to Austen, EVERYTHING is a big deal! :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

When it comes to Austen, EVERYTHING is a big deal! :D

Austen's the man ! I wonder if Slott and Austen will be writing a team book called Juggernaunt & She-Hulk soon ? This way the characters can get it on a monthly occasion. :evilsmile

[Kefky]

Austen's the man ! I wonder if Slott and Austen will be writing a team book called Juggernaunt & She-Hulk soon ? This way the characters can get it on a monthly occasion. :evilsmile

Careful, my friend! You just may break the internet in half with that kind of attitude!

[Beast]

Austen's the man ! I wonder if Slott and Austen will be writing a team book called Juggernaunt & She-Hulk soon ? This way the characters can get it on a monthly occasion. :evilsmile
I'd buy that for a dollar. More interesting than a She-Hulk solo to me. :)

[Dermie]

In fact, didn't they have her sleep with Blizzard too!?

No, she did not sleep with Blizzard. She drank with him until he passed out, as a non-violent way of capturing him. (I kinda doubt Blizzard would even be interested--during his time in the T-Bolts, Blizzard was kinda putting out a gay vibe...)

I could be wrong but I am fairly sure that the 'incident' between She-Hulk and Juggernaut happened before she and John Jamerson where an item and thus she was cheating on no-one.

You are correct--it happened quite a while before Jen and John became a couple.

[Dermie]

Jen didn't do a single one of the things you say she did. She-Hulk did all that. As we're seeing in the current arc, the differences between Jen and She-Hulk have been getting stronger.

And has been re-stated several times in the current arc, Jen and She-Hulk are the same person. Yes, she will behave differently in She-Hulk form (with her inhibitions removed, etc), but they are still the same person at the core.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'd buy that for a dollar. More interesting than a She-Hulk solo to me. :)

I'd buy 2 copies if Austen and Slott did a team book of nothing but wild Juggernaunt/She Hulk sex and voilence. What do ya say Dan ? Lets get a hold of Marvel and I smell successful spin-off title . :D

[Wessner]

And has been re-stated several times in the current arc, Jen and She-Hulk are the same person. Yes, she will behave differently in She-Hulk form (with her inhibitions removed, etc), but they are still the same person at the core.
But the name equivalence only seems to go one way. Nobody uses She-Hulk when they're talking about actions Jen takes when she's in human form. Jen is treated as a synonym for She-Hulk, but She-Hulk is not treated as a synonym for Jen. I used to call her Jen in both her forms, but I no longer think that's an accurate way to describe her actions or emotions.

[Cthulhudrew]

Exactly. Hell, most of the posts are from people going.... "Who cares?"

Of course, if they didn't care- why bother posting? Just rubberneck and keep on driving past without comment. Seriously. Taking the time to actually comment says that you're interested on some level.

[Rahul]

The only people who are itnerested in this whole thing are people who want to see sex in comics......

[Beast]

Of course, if they didn't care- why bother posting? Just rubberneck and keep on driving past without comment. Seriously. Taking the time to actually comment says that you're interested on some level.
Because they find obsessing over the sex life of a fictional character hilarious?

[chris_powell]

they totally did...she is just saying she didn't to cover her own ass...no pun intended. c'mon, is everyone here telling me they never had a questionable hook up that they didn't lie to their friends about..."DUDE...i swear to GOD i didn't hook up with the yeti last night!" everyone has at least one of those...EVERYONE! jugs is jens...

[Eallison]

Why would they even bother with a retcon of this ? It just happened in 1 issue 4 years ago .

Well, how many times did Hank hit Jan (non-Ultimate version)?

Once.

What does EVERY writer drag out at some time? Hank being a wife-beater. Hell, I wonder how many people reading the comics now even READ the story where it happened, or understand the context.

Yes, it happened once, years ago -- but that doesn't matter. If other writers decide to run with it, they will.

I'm not saying you don't have a point, but in the world of comics, depending on the agenda of the writer(s) in question, once can be damaging enough.

Take it and run.

[Sijo]

No, she did not sleep with Blizzard. She drank with him until he passed out, as a non-violent way of capturing him. (I kinda doubt Blizzard would even be interested--during his time in the T-Bolts, Blizzard was kinda putting out a gay vibe...)
Thanks for correcting that, I wasn't clear on the matter.

Still, the point is, none of us writes She-hulk, so to us, it isn't a big deal. But, if I were writing her, I can see why it would be worrysome: Jen's character has been built up from the musclehead who hit on every male hero near her she used to be in Avengers, to an intelligent, independent woman. It really doesn't make much sense that, in her current personality, she would go, "Oh, Juggernaut, you say you're not a villain anymore? That's good enough for me, let's boogie. Umpardoned criminal record? Who cares?" That kind of thing CAN come back to haunt your career, especially when you're a lawyer.

Oh, and She-hulk DID have multiple personalities, and they HAVE come back on occasion. Just the fact she's normal now doesn't mean they won't pop up again. (And for the record, in the original Savage She-Hulk series, she DID sleep with one guy -that beach bum pal of hers- as Shulk but then told him it wasn't her idea as Jen. So yeah, if Slott really wants to retcon it, it could easily be said that she lost control again.)

[Cthulhudrew]

Because they find obsessing over the sex life of a fictional character hilarious?

And, hence, they find it interesting. Ergo, they care.

care n. To feel concern or interest.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Because they find obsessing over the sex life of a fictional character hilarious?

And, hence, they find it interesting. Ergo, they care.

care n. To feel concern or interest.

Nope....sorry even Dan thinks its that way. If were all doing jokes we find the thread funny on a level. Theres no real interest beyond seeing a writer and the fans anger at a fictional character having a 1 issue stand with another character. But many of us don't even pull She-Hulk who are doing these funny jokes. We just love how funny this thread is.

I may pull #21 because the thread has made me croak laughing. I can't wait til She-Hulk nails the Abomination one day ! :D

[Beast]

I can't wait til She-Hulk nails the Abomination one day ! :D
That would rock. Then Bi-Beast next. Just cause it's funnier. :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That would rock. Then Bi-Beast next. Just cause it's funnier. :D

After a night with She-Hulk , Beast will be back to Ape-Man in no time ! :p

[StoneGold]

I may pull #21 because the thread has made me croak laughing. I can't wait til She-Hulk nails the Abomination one day ! :D

Read Abominations. According to that, sometime in the future, she does.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Read Abominations. According to that, sometime in the future, she does.

Uh oh....I smell Dan Slott retcon coming up ! :p

[Sijo]

Uh oh....I smell Dan Slott retcon coming up ! :p Shulk was the Abomination's slave-mistress in that series, guys, and that's not funny. Besides, since it's just a possible future, there's no need to retcon it (though I hope they do prevent it from happening.)

[Haunt]

Shulk was the Abomination's slave-mistress in that series, guys, and that's not funny.


it's kind of funny. just how ugly do you have to be for She-Hulk to reject you? yeesh!

[Sijo]

it's kind of funny. just how ugly do you have to be for She-Hulk to reject you? yeesh! It wasn't his looks, it was the fact he was a murderer who beat and raped her. Still think it's funny?

[Cthulhudrew]

Nope....sorry even Dan thinks its that way.

:confused:

You mean when he posted this?

Let's see...
Over 200 posts.
Over 13 pages long.
Over 6,000 views.
So... This is a topic nobody cares about?
Shyeah, right.

If were all doing jokes we find the thread funny on a level. Theres no real interest beyond seeing a writer and the fans anger at a fictional character having a 1 issue stand with another character. But many of us don't even pull She-Hulk who are doing these funny jokes. We just love how funny this thread is.

Which- to reiterate what I said before- means you care about the topic. Otherwise you a) wouldn't have stopped in the thread to begin with, and b) wouldn't keep posting to it.

Even though you are just responding that your opinion is that you don't care, you care enough to post your opinion.

In any event, I think this part of the discussion is really just picking nits (and I freely accept blame on my behalf for it, lest it seem like I'm pointing fingers), so I'll let us get back to discussing real topical issues, like superhero sex.

[Beast]

It wasn't his looks, it was the fact he was a murderer who beat and raped her. Still think it's funny?
Well, Juggernaut didn't do either. So what's the problem with that?

[Haunt]

It wasn't his looks, it was the fact he was a murderer who beat and raped her. Still think it's funny?

yes, extremely funny. because, as people love to remind me, we're only talking about comic book characters.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Which- to reiterate what I said before- means you care about the topic. Otherwise you a) wouldn't have stopped in the thread to begin with, and b) wouldn't keep posting to it.

Dude theres a thread on the community board about a teacher tossing sh-t at students. You think beyond me stopping in to make a joke I'd care ? If I care I'd stop and make long thoughtful posts on why this should or shouldn't be retconned. But I do not care.

Even though you are just responding that your opinion is that you don't care, you care enough to post your opinion.

Again read above. If a bunch of us are making jokes over this do you think we care ? Beyond being silly.

In any event, I think this part of the discussion is really just picking nits (and I freely accept blame on my behalf for it, lest it seem like I'm pointing fingers), so I'll let us get back to discussing real topical issues, like superhero sex.

I don't care who She-Hulk hops into the sack with personally. I still think this threads funny as hell and I wish Slott luck.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well, Juggernaut didn't do either. So what's the problem with that?

The writer didn't think to do it 1st ? Ok cheap of me I know . But She-Hulk's done obviously worse . Sorry about that small dig Dan. ;)

[chris_powell]

It wasn't his looks, it was the fact he was a murderer who beat and raped her. Still think it's funny?

im sorry im not completely familiar with the back log of she hulk...but when does THIS happen? if its back in the day how did it get passed the comics code? lol...that just seems...i dont know...CRAZY!

[Ogrebear]

im sorry im not completely familiar with the back log of she hulk...but when does THIS happen? if its back in the day how did it get passed the comics code? lol...that just seems...i dont know...CRAZY!

I *think* they are talking about Abomination in an alt future time line where She Hulk is abused at Emil's hands.

I *think* its this book they mean: The Abominations (http://www.comicvine.com/comic/abominations/11365/&i=3489&v=g)

Edit: Now I am defiantly sure: Series write up here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/abominationdystopia.htm) and Here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/shulkdystopia.htm)

I wonder what happened to Maestro's son? In theory him and his mother (and anyone else who survived Shulks attack) are still in 616? Nor not?

[amorn]

Pic or didnt happen!:D

[chris_powell]

I *think* they are talking about Abomination in an alt future time line where She Hulk is abused at Emil's hands.

I *think* its this book they mean: The Abominations (http://www.comicvine.com/comic/abominations/11365/&i=3489&v=g)

Edit: Now I am defiantly sure: Series write up here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/abominationdystopia.htm) and Here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/shulkdystopia.htm)

I wonder what happened to Maestro's son? In theory him and his mother (and anyone else who survived Shulks attack) are still in 616? Nor not?

but wasn't that the future imperfect timeline which is almost like an AoA?

[DoctorDoom]

And the debate rages on....

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And the comedy rages on....

I changed it for you. :evilsmile

[Sijo]

yes, extremely funny. because, as people love to remind me, we're only talking about comic book characters. And as I like to remind people, comics characters are no more unreal than most movie, book or TV characters (with the exception of their powers) and yet lots of people care about those. That *is* the whole point of serial fiction in any form, you know: to follow the ills and fortunes of fictional people. Unless you're a sadist who reads stories just to see people suffer (I'm not saying you are, I'm saying there are people like that... and those people have bigger problems than those who care a little about fictional characters do.) :rolleyes:

[chris_powell]

And as I like to remind people, comics characters are no more unreal than most movie, book or TV characters (with the exception of their powers) and yet lots of people care about those. That *is* the whole point of serial fiction in any form, you know: to follow the ills and fortunes of fictional people. Unless you're a sadist who reads stories just to see people suffer (I'm not saying you are, I'm saying there are people like that... and those people have bigger problems than those who care a little about fictional characters do.) :rolleyes:

yet they are ALL unreal...one is no more unreal then the other...they are all equally unreal...so honestly...we should be able to laugh at something like she-hulk being ashamed of sleeping with the juggernaut...and people who overly care about tv/movie/comic characters need to go outside and and interact with some REAL people...

[Sijo]

yet they are ALL unreal...one is no more unreal then the other...they are all equally unreal...so honestly...we should be able to laugh at something like she-hulk being ashamed of sleeping with the juggernaut...and people who overly care about tv/movie/comic characters need to go outside and and interact with some REAL people...That *IS* my point... though I was applying it to people who give comic book fans a hard time over such things... in a comics message board, yet. :rolleyes:

[Ogrebear]

So in She-Hulk #17 while in bed with Tony Stark She-Hulk asks the question:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/247/455952136_697924c69e_b.jpg

Then spends the rest of the issue running around in her underwear.... what happened to the uniform she just took off???