Nocturne part Deux

[Nachturne]

You must have been, if you hadn't been you would have been thinking of Mimic! :D

BLASPHEMY!! Careful...I'll have you smote.

[Mariah]

:rolleyes: What's with the personal insults? Sheesh, it's like I ran over your dog instead of..you know...disagreed with you about comics....

Anyway, let's talk about her world some more!!! :P. I'm really itching to know more about the Phoenix force in Colossus' shell.
Get used to it. He's been nothing but insulting to me.

[blinkinrogue]

hi mariah, havent seen u in a while.... i guess u werent here when nachturne started posting.... but i like her she is a nice girl *blushes furiously*

[Nachturne]

hi mariah, havent seen u in a while.... i guess u werent here when nachturne started posting.... but i like her she is a nice girl *blushes furiously*

Kisses cutie pie!!!! You're so sweet :)

I hate the fact that I am gonna have like, no free time til Sundayish. I'm so gonna scan some "TJ's best moments" so people who have only seen her in NEX will know how much she ROCKS!

[jarrod]

Get used to it. He's been nothing but insulting to me.
Feeling down? You're just not your usual vibrant self...

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

*gets out of "prison" & wants to seek Vengence against those that put me there*

Hey guys!

I love, love, loved Nocturne's homeworld it was alt. realities done right and sorta reminded me of Mutant X (the comic not the tv show) Mutant X showed us "what could've happened if this xman didnt over come this obstacle"....and one thing I think people forget is that Nocturne's homeworld is also slightly in the future, Nightcrawler and Wolverine are a lot older

its still funny that Apoc is still a crappy villian in any alt. time line tho :)

[Nachturne]

*gets out of "prison" & wants to seek Vengence against those that put me there*

Hey guys!

I love, love, loved Nocturne's homeworld it was alt. realities done right and sorta reminded me of Mutant X (the comic not the tv show) Mutant X showed us "what could've happened if this xman didnt over come this obstacle"....and one thing I think people forget is that Nocturne's homeworld is also slightly in the future, Nightcrawler and Wolverine are a lot older

its still funny that Apoc is still a crappy villian in any alt. time line tho :)

WOOO! Welcome back hunny bunzzzz!

And Poccy is pretty ineffective. Blood of Apocalypse anyone??

[Brian M.]

*gets out of "prison" & wants to seek Vengence against those that put me there*

Hey guys!

I love, love, loved Nocturne's homeworld it was alt. realities done right and sorta reminded me of Mutant X (the comic not the tv show) Mutant X showed us "what could've happened if this xman didnt over come this obstacle"....and one thing I think people forget is that Nocturne's homeworld is also slightly in the future, Nightcrawler and Wolverine are a lot older

its still funny that Apoc is still a crappy villian in any alt. time line tho :)

Yea....blame others for your banning...that's how the world works.

[Nachturne]

No fighting in the Nocturne thread! :p

[mimic_616]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Xavier on Nocturne's earth dead? I read some where that he wasn't killed just retired or something. I mean Wolverine killed him right? :confused:

[Nachturne]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Xavier on Nocturne's earth dead? I read some where that he wasn't killed just retired or something. I mean Wolverine killed him right? :confused:

Oui! Wolverine killed him while possessed by the Shadow King and at that time received an injury that crippled him (oddly). He refused to let anyone help him with his injury, or un-cripple him as he wants it to be a reminder of what he did (even though he didnt do it :P)

[The Fury]

at that time received an injury that crippled him (oddly).

As far as i understood it, it was psychic backlash that Xavier emitted on his death

[Nachturne]

As far as i understood it, it was psychic backlash that Xavier emitted on his death

I think your right. I'd have to go back and check but I'm lazy :p

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

doesnt he essentially have the no use of his legs just like Xavier?

Congrats on your 300th post Nachturne

[Nachturne]

doesnt he essentially have the no use of his legs just like Xavier?

Congrats on your 300th post Nachturne

Thanks!!!!

Actually, he's completely paralysed from the neck down. He wears come kind of exoskeleton suit to help him....do stuff. TJ had to possess Armageddon to use his tk to get Wolvie to use his claws on Cyclops.

[mimic_616]

Thanks!!!!

Actually, he's completely paralysed from the neck down. He wears come kind of exoskeleton suit to help him....do stuff. TJ had to possess Armageddon to use his tk to get Wolvie to use his claws on Cyclops.

That issue was fun. It was one of the few times I've actually liked Cyclops. Oh btw if you check the very first issue of Exiles it shows the Wolverine on Nocturne's earth stood up without a harness and I'm pretty sure it says Xavier retired. I hate it when writers screw up continuity. :mad:

[Affinity]

Hey, what's up with Nocturne's telepathy? Does she have it at all or did I imagine that?

[mimic_616]

Hey, what's up with Nocturne's telepathy? Does she have it at all or did I imagine that?

She has a very faint trace of it. It was shown in Exiles #1.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

She has a very faint trace of it. It was shown in Exiles #1.

I never really liked that idea. I'm glad that it was ever really followed up on. Always seemed a lot like a plot device to me.

[Nachturne]

She has a very faint trace of it. It was shown in Exiles #1.

Yeah, she used it to work a cerebro with Mimic to find Xavier in their first mission. I'd like to see it mentioned again. I kind of liked the idea that TP is a bit of a "base" power for mutants, and perhaps the liklihood of TP in a mutant increases by generation. I found that interesting.

[Dizzy D]

Yeah, she used it to work a cerebro with Mimic to find Xavier in their first mission. I'd like to see it mentioned again. I kind of liked the idea that TP is a bit of a "base" power for mutants, and perhaps the liklihood of TP in a mutant increases by generation. I found that interesting.

I always saw it as a bit of a side-effect of her possession power.

[mimic_616]

I'm glad it was never followed upon. I mean does the x-verse really need ANOTHER psychic? :rolleyes:

[Nachturne]

I'll be damned if this gets second paged!!

I need to scannnnnnnn!!! TJ is so kick ass, and everyone must seeee!!

[blinkinrogue]

could nocturne possess evil hyperion??

[CmX]

When she goes back to the Exiles I'd love to see the return of the brown leather.

But CC will probably have her dye her hair like rainbow colored, give her a perm and just like totally trick her out in a tacky jumpsuit and she'll use a stylish weapon like a bazooka that shoots chainsaws or something.

[jarrod]

Who said TJ's going to Exiles? I'd say there's a 50/50 chance of her just going home...

[Nachturne]

Who said TJ's going to Exiles?

Claremont.

"Nocturne is going back to 'Exiles,'" Claremont said.

I'd love it forever if she was just sent home though. Or someone else took her.

[mimic_616]

Claremont.



I'd love it forever if she was just sent home though. Or someone else took her.

Why do you want her to go home? :confused:

[Nachturne]

Why do you want her to go home? :confused:

I'd rather her be home than written poorly.

[jarrod]

I'd rather her be home than written poorly.
That's basically how I feel about Alex, Lorna and Rachel these days. Limbo's seeming like the better option so far... poor Kurt. :(

[CmX]

PAD save TJ's soul.

[jarrod]

PAD's busy enough with far more deserving characters. No way I'd want to give up Rahne, Monet, Theresa or even Layla for TJ in X-Factor. And if a slot did suddenly open, there's plenty of other B/C-listers I'd rather see fill it (Shan, Dani, Skids, etc).

[mimic_616]

I'd rather her be home than written poorly.

Yes but then you will miss the character terribly! Just think no new stories with TJ. You'll forever spend the rest of your days wondering what she's up to. I mean look what to my fav Cal, sure he was poorly written towards the end but he's dead now. That's it. Dead. Done. Nothing new is ever going to happen to him. No new adventures. Nothing. Believe me it sucks. :(

[Nachturne]

Yes but then you will miss the character terribly! Just think no new stories with TJ. You'll forever spend the rest of your days wondering what she's up to. I mean look what to my fav Cal, sure he was poorly written towards the end but he's dead now. That's it. Dead. Done. Nothing new is ever going to happen to him. No new adventures. Nothing. Believe me it sucks. :(

It sucks, but at least there's a bunch of old Exiles to read. What I mean is that if she keeps being written this way, she's going to be accepted this way and this will be her character from now on. The TJ I loved is dead, and whats worse we're having her be basically rewritten terribly. I'd rather have her gone and have all the awesomeness still be a part of her in the old stuff than have it be replaced by new crap.

Of course, the best case scenario is her being taken by another writer ;). I'd heard PAD was interested in her.

[mimic_616]

It sucks, but at least there's a bunch of old Exiles to read. What I mean is that if she keeps being written this way, she's going to be accepted this way and this will be her character from now on. The TJ I loved is dead, and whats worse we're having her be basically rewritten terribly. I'd rather have her gone and have all the awesomeness still be a part of her in the old stuff than have it be replaced by new crap.

Of course, the best case scenario is her being taken by another writer ;). I'd heard PAD was interested in her.

See with that character still alive there could always be a writer who comes along and restores her to her former glory. Not with Cal though. :(

[jarrod]

Of course, the best case scenario is her being taken by another writer ;). I'd heard PAD was interested in her.
Was being the key term there. And only because he couldn't have Nightcrawler initially. :P

[Nachturne]

See with that character still alive there could always be a writer who comes along and restores her to her former glory. Not with Cal though. :(

That's true.

I miss Cal too :(

[CmX]

Was being the key term there. And only because he couldn't have Nightcrawler initially. :P

Not quite, he was interested in either of the two, but neither were available.

[jarrod]

Not quite, he was interested in either of the two, but neither were available.
Not quite, he wanted Kurt, then after that was rejected he asked about TJ in his place.

[CmX]

zomg, okay

[Nachturne]

Not quite, he wanted Kurt, then after that was rejected he asked about TJ in his place.

Yeah, and? Same deal with Claremont.

I'm not gonna pretend that Nocturne is this highly sought after character, but for whatever reason any other writer would want her, I'll take it.

[mimic_616]

God I wish Judd Winick would come back and write TJ and the rest of the Exiles like he did. TJ on planet skrull was the selling point of this character for me.

[Pach!]

Yeah, and? Same deal with Claremont.

I'm not gonna pretend that Nocturne is this highly sought after character, but for whatever reason any other writer would want her, I'll take it.

But I think it kinda sucks that Nocturne is always a "replacement" in their minds to Nightcrawler when they could not be more different.

Just because they are visually similar or related does not make them the same. One of the main things that makes them different being the religion: I'm going to go on a limb and say that Nocturne is not very catholic, because I have been going to church every sunday for 15 years...and well they don't exactly act like her. And many other reasons that set them apart. I just don't understand how Nocturne works for them as a replacement to an entirely different character which may be a reason I feel the characterization of Nocturne in Excalibur is so off.

On a side note I would like to add that the previous sentence of characters not being the same because they are related is one of the most hypocritical things I've said because I find the summers brothers to be all equally boring and whiny.

[ImpulseUCF]

Was being the key term there. And only because he couldn't have Nightcrawler initially. :PThose things being equal, I'd rather he have gotten her than CC.

[jarrod]

Those things being equal, I'd rather he have gotten her than CC.
Me too actually. Her Rachelesque regression and Juggs fixation both seem pretty bizarre... she doesn't fit well with the team, though she wouldn't really fit any better in X-Factor I think, even if she was handled better.

Dazz and Juggs don't fit especially well either, I'd like to see the whole 3-way of them cast aside for other characters.

[Nachturne]

But I think it kinda sucks that Nocturne is always a "replacement" in their minds to Nightcrawler when they could not be more different.

Just because they are visually similar or related does not make them the same. One of the main things that makes them different being the religion: I'm going to go on a limb and say that Nocturne is not very catholic, because I have been going to church every sunday for 15 years...and well they don't exactly act like her. And many other reasons that set them apart. I just don't understand how Nocturne works for them as a replacement to an entirely different character which may be a reason I feel the characterization of Nocturne in Excalibur is so off.

On a side note I would like to add that the previous sentence of characters not being the same because they are related is one of the most hypocritical things I've said because I find the summers brothers to be all equally boring and whiny.

Yeah, it sucks, but what can you do? I think that another writer could have handled her well if they had chosen her for the reason that she's Kurt's "daughter", but who knows? They are two very different characters and thats what always irritated me about NEX in the beginning. All the mention of Kurt and his cameo's started to pigeon hole her really well into that "Daddy's girl" role we've seen.

And I'll agree about TJ not being religious. We've seen no evidence of it so far, and she's certainly done things a good Catholic girl certainly wouldn't ;). I'm praying no one decides she suddenly needs faith, ala Kurt, and throws that in with her character. She's NOT KURTS DAUGHTER! Please!

[Arilou]

Me too actually. Her Rachelesque regression and Juggs fixation both seem pretty bizarre... she doesn't fit well with the team, though she wouldn't really fit any better in X-Factor I think, even if she was handled better.

Dazz and Juggs don't fit especially well either, I'd like to see the whole 3-way of them cast aside for other characters.

I've got no real problem with her liking Juggs. She seems to have a soft spot for big, slightly broody men with dark pasts :p

The way it has been handled has been pretty bad though.

[jarrod]

I've got no real problem with her liking Juggs. She seems to have a soft spot for big, slightly broody men with dark pasts :p

The way it has been handled has been pretty bad though.
True enough... though I haven't seen it pounced on as much as other relationships with significant age gaps. There's more of a gap here than between Kitty/Wisdom, Betsy/Doug, Xaiver/Jean or even Magneto/Rogue.... strange that's not commented on more imo.

[Arilou]

True enough... though I haven't seen it pounced on as much as other relationships with significant age gaps. There's more of a gap here than between Kitty/Wisdom, Betsy/Doug, Xaiver/Jean or even Magneto/Rogue.... strange that's not commented on more imo.

Probably because Cain is so immature :p

[TimGunn]

she need to go to the crystal palace and wake her baby-daddy up

[mimic_616]

she need to go to the crystal palace and wake her baby-daddy up

I really hope Claremont takels this. TJ and T-Bird were a great couple (even though she is technically cheating on her other boyfriend James ;) ) I really want to see T-Bird react to the fact that the baby never happened and Cal and Sunfire are both death.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I really hope Claremont takels this. TJ and T-Bird were a great couple (even though she is technically cheating on her other boyfriend James ;) ) I really want to see T-Bird react to the fact that the baby never happened and Cal and Sunfire are both death.

Me too. i think that now is probably the time too. It's been a good length of time for it to be dramatically sound.

[Arilou]

she need to go to the crystal palace and wake her baby-daddy up

That sounds.... Incredibly fairy-tale-ish.



I really hope Claremont takels this. TJ and T-Bird were a great couple (even though she is technically cheating on her other boyfriend James ) I really want to see T-Bird react to the fact that the baby never happened and Cal and Sunfire are both death.

Me, what happens in alternate realities stays in alternate realities .p

[Nachturne]

I really really hope Claremont doesn't tackle that. Only because as a Nocturne fan it's something I have been wanting to see for ages and I'd like it to be handled by a writer who can write TJ well....

TimGunn: You are awesome, just for the name. Carry on!

[CmX]

I really really hope Claremont doesn't tackle that. Only because as a Nocturne fan it's something I have been wanting to see for ages and I'd like it to be handled by a writer who can write TJ well....

OMG you know he's going to do it. lol That sucks.

[ImpulseUCF]

OMG you know he's going to do it. lol That sucks.Heh. Heheheh.


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1203/bowchickabowwowbj4.jpg

[Apocalypse Now Then!]

Heh. Heheheh.


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1203/bowchickabowwowbj4.jpg

That's cob.

[ImpulseUCF]

Cob? Sorry, mate, I don't follow the reference.

[CmX]

Heh. Heheheh.


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1203/bowchickabowwowbj4.jpg

LMAO I love it!!!!

[Apocalypse Now Then!]

Cob? Sorry, mate, I don't follow the reference.

Sorry, ate. Keep forgetting I'm on an American board.

Let's just say it's the kind of thing that Captain Midlands would say.

[ImpulseUCF]

Sorry, ate. Keep forgetting I'm on an American board.

Let's just say it's the kind of thing that Captain Midlands would say.

Not a fan, then, I take it?

[mimic_616]

Captain Midlands! Classic! I'm British and I haven't heard of cob so don't worry. The meaning is lost on me to. Maybe TJ will pic it up on her adventures with NEX? LOL! :D

[Arilou]

Cob is rhyming slang isn't it?

[TimGunn]

I really really hope Claremont doesn't tackle that. Only because as a Nocturne fan it's something I have been wanting to see for ages and I'd like it to be handled by a writer who can write TJ well....

TimGunn: You are awesome, just for the name. Carry on!

Thanks Nacht! I'm hopin Claremont is okay on Exiles. I mean alternate worlds is one of his things, like Classic Excalibur. (I'm waiting for the trade).

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Captain Midlands! Classic! I'm British and I haven't heard of cob so don't worry. The meaning is lost on me to. Maybe TJ will pic it up on her adventures with NEX? LOL! :D

It's Brummy slang. He must be picking it up now he's hanging in the Midlands. Think it's short for 'Cobblers'.:D

[Nachturne]

It's Brummy slang. He must be picking it up now he's hanging in the Midlands. Think it's short for 'Cobblers'.:D

Cobblers?? Aka the people who make shoes? Or.....apple?

[Apocalypse Now Then!]

Cobblers?? Aka the people who make shoes? Or.....apple?

Slang for 'Testicles'.

[Nachturne]

Ahhhh thank you.

limeys! :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Ahhhh thank you.

limeys! :p

And you know you crazy yanks just love us...:D

[ImpulseUCF]

And you know you crazy yanks just love us...:DI must admit, I do enjoy the different dialects and word meanings in "English" English. However, I am not a "yank." I'm a Floridian, and believe me, we're on our own wavelength. ;)

[Arilou]

I must admit, I do enjoy the different dialects and word meanings in "English" English. However, I am not a "yank." I'm a Floridian, and believe me, we're on our own wavelength. ;)

Prefer "Seppo"? :p

[SpazzyButterfly]

It's Brummy slang. He must be picking it up now he's hanging in the Midlands. Think it's short for 'Cobblers'.:D

See, cob to me is a bread roll...

And Nacht where did you get apple from? :P And call me a limey would you, after everything, including and especially 'Ladies Night'?

[Nachturne]

See, cob to me is a bread roll...

And Nacht where did you get apple from? :P And call me a limey would you, after everything, including and especially 'Ladies Night'?

Apple cobbler :p. Cob is also a salad here.

And you're my favorite limey :p. Especially if you post cool TJ stuff in here!! :D

[ImpulseUCF]

Prefer "Seppo"? :pOnly if you prefer "douchebag." :P

From urban dictionary:

2. seppo
90 up, 19 down


septic tank, rhyming slang for yank, an american person

would of been a good palace if it wasn't full of seppo wankers

No, I do not prefer seppo.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

But you are at least aware of the word 'Wanker'?

[ImpulseUCF]

Oh,yeah. 'Wanker' is one of the funniest words in any language, IMHO. :)

[Nachturne]

I kept promising it, and I'm doing it!! Scanning TJs most kick ass moments in the past, for everyone who doesn't (and couldnt possibly in NEX) know how kick ass she once was!

This was a first that came to mind, from the arc where she was captured and tortured by Mojo:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/solame1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/solame2.jpg
(Because scanning trades is tough, here's what is blurry:
Guard: I am not permitted to speak to the prisoner. I will alert command central to send the jailor to unshackle you. From there we will proceed to the facilities you are requesting.

TJ: He'll take an hour--he always does. I gotta go now. Please...I'm--I'm...being put through enough...don't you think? C-can I at least keep s-some dignity...)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/solame3.jpg

I'll be scanning and posting more!!

[CmX]

yay for kickass Nocturne!

boo for NEX d-pod Nocturne!

[Nachturne]

LOL!!! Fer realzzzz!

Here's another ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/whiteguy.jpg

[tetragene]

Wow, the Mojo scans are awesome. Lol, it makes her response to Dazzler asking about Mojoworld all the more lame...seriously, "ewww" is all that can be managed after you were shaved and bound up like that in Mojoworld? Is CC even aware that Nocturne was in Mojoworld before he wrote her and Juggs being teleported there in UXM?

[Nachturne]

Wow, the Mojo scans are awesome. Lol, it makes her response to Dazzler asking about Mojoworld all the more lame...seriously, "ewww" is all that can be managed after you were shaved and bound up like that in Mojoworld? Is CC even aware that Nocturne was in Mojoworld before he wrote her and Juggs being teleported there in UXM?

I don't think he is aware. She was really really crazy tortured, and I think her head wasn't shaved so much...yeah.

They did shit to her with acid and claws. I recall Mojo mentioning that...

[tetragene]

I don't think he is aware. She was really really crazy tortured, and I think her head wasn't shaved so much...yeah.

They did shit to her with acid and claws. I recall Mojo mentioning that...

:eek: Jesus--yeah, so her teeny-bopper self in NEX really makes A LOT of sense right now :rolleyes:

[CmX]

CC is aware.. remember he even had TJ and Cain end up there after being sucked into Xorn or whatever during Austen's shit run.

[Nachturne]

Jesus--yeah, so her teeny-bopper self in NEX really makes A LOT of sense right now :rolleyes:

LOL well, here comes more to convince you further ;)

From issue 22, the final issue of the Legacy arc:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/legacy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/legacy2.jpg

[tetragene]

CC is aware.. remember he even had TJ and Cain end up there after being sucked into Xorn or whatever during Austen's shit run.

Yeah, he seems to be aware of when he put them there in UXM--but not of when Nocturne was tortured there in Exiles

[Nachturne]

Yeah, he seems to be aware of when he put them there in UXM--but not of when Nocturne was tortured there in Exiles

CC is very aware of what he does. And sometimes not even that. He just writes what he writes. I don't see how anyone could read these scans and still believe TJ is being written in character. And if they still do, I can keep scanning!! :D

[CmX]

Yeah, he seems to be aware of when he put them there in UXM--but not of when Nocturne was tortured there in Exiles

Yeah CC has a habit of acknowleding things and then ignoring them the next issue it's like, ooookay crazy.

That panel is like one of my fave TJ scenes!!

Yay for kickass TJ

Boo to "grrrrlll no you dit'n honey baby child!" NEX TJ.

[We R. Venom]

I've been catching up on my Nocturne reading. Some really good artists have drawn her.

http://www.comicsvf.com/scans/vo/exiles/41.jpg

Uhhh, yeah Nocturne, Mystique, I think I might have a thing for Blue chicks...:o

[Nachturne]

Uhhh, yeah Nocturne, Mystique, I think I might have a thing for Blue chicks...:o

I'm gonna have to scan my Bachalo pages from Austen's story in Unlimited where TJ is wearing the Mystique-esque costume ;)

[Arilou]

Post her Arena fight on Skrull World!

Pretty please?

I love the conversation between the Skrull guards!
"She's a flier! Since when do grounders fight fliers?"
"Since this one beat up everyone in her weight-class...."

[Nachturne]

Post her Arena fight on Skrull World!

Pretty please?

I love the conversation between the Skrull guards!
"She's a flier! Since when do grounders fight fliers?"
"Since this one beat up everyone in her weight-class...."

LOL I will eventually ;). I'm retiring for the night :p

But I will share my commission: (don't ask, just LOVE)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/NYCC/TJ-Remy.jpg

[mimic_616]

LOL I will eventually ;). I'm retiring for the night :p

But I will share my commission: (don't ask, just LOVE)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/NYCC/TJ-Remy.jpg

Sweet picture. I'm actually suprised to see a picture of TJ and Remy being intimate. Unlikely pairing but it works. :D

[SpazzyButterfly]

Nacht - I am still totally in love with that art, seriously. (And I am sososo saving up to one day come over and get my own comission art ;) )

But yeah, TJ was such a tough cookie in Exiles. One of my favourite early moments was when she had Forge pinned to the wall with her foot on his throat in issue two. Rock on.

[Nachturne]

Sweet picture. I'm actually suprised to see a picture of TJ and Remy being intimate. Unlikely pairing but it works. :D

Well, I requested it ;). I love them both!

And Spaz: I'll be scanning that as well! It's on my list with the Gladiator stuff and the time when she lead part of the team for Hyperion. We've got losts of kick ass TJ coming.

Remember when she was a pilot? And kick ass? *sigh* I miss it :(

[TinMan]

LOL I will eventually ;). I'm retiring for the night :p

But I will share my commission: (don't ask, just LOVE)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/NYCC/TJ-Remy.jpg

Who drew this? I can't make out the signature. It's friggin sweet, great piece of art right there, TJ looks all kinds of hot... as she does in the cover We. R. Venom just posted.

[Nachturne]

Who drew this? I can't make out the signature. It's friggin sweet, great piece of art right there, TJ looks all kinds of hot... as she does in the cover We. R. Venom just posted.

Clayton Henry. I got it half price too!!

He was like..the best choice ever for this. He draws a GORGEOUS Nocturne and a HOT Gambit.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Clayton Henry. I got it half price too!!

He was like..the best choice ever for this. He draws a GORGEOUS Nocturne and a HOT Gambit.

It's really good.

Clayton Henry remains a very underated penciller.

[We R. Venom]

I'm gonna have to scan my Bachalo pages from Austen's story in Unlimited where TJ is wearing the Mystique-esque costume ;)

That would make you my favorite X-poster!

[Nachturne]

That would make you my favorite X-poster!

I'm not already?? :(

[drwho]

Why is Nocturne getting the boot from New Excalibur?

[We R. Venom]

I'm not already?? :(

True true, I forgot about that!:p

[Nachturne]

Why is Nocturne getting the boot from New Excalibur?

Who knows?? :(

[Pryde&Wisdom]

Why is Nocturne getting the boot from New Excalibur?

I was really sad to hear about that, because I really like her.

The only theory I can see was that maybe too many people ranted about her being on the book. Right from the start of the series a lot of people were posting that they didn't see why she was on the series, and that they didn't like her.:(

But then a lot of those who did like her from eXiles didn't like her new look and also complained about that. Some of the posts at comixfan, a forum where Chris Claremont has his own board, were really quite abusive.

It's sad, but I think this might be partly motivated with just having suffered enough of that.:(

[Nachturne]

I think it's more that she technically belongs on a book like Exiles. Her being in 616 never made any sense to begin with.

As for Claremont's "abuse"? If you can't take the heat....

Trust me. Claremont doesn't really care what the fanboys complain about. I met the man. I can safely say this is true.

[Pach!]

I was really sad to hear about that, because I really like her.

The only theory I can see was that maybe too many people ranted about her being on the book. Right from the start of the series a lot of people were posting that they didn't see why she was on the series, and that they didn't like her.:(

But then a lot of those who did like her from eXiles didn't like her new look and also complained about that. Some of the posts at comixfan, a forum where Chris Claremont has his own board, were really quite abusive.

It's sad, but I think this might be partly motivated with just having suffered enough of that.:(


That would be really sad, because they complained for a reason. The scans that Nachturne is posting showed how strong of a character Nocturne was, even in X-men when she possessed Black Tom and went into Xorn's head she was extremely heroic. In NEX she's basically a 15 year old girl with powers and the best things she's done so far is get a stroke.

And about people complaining before NEX started might have something to do with the fact that Claremont wanted Nightcrawler and since he couldn't get him he used Nocturne as a substitute , probably because they are both blue.

[Pryde&Wisdom]

I think it's more that she technically belongs on a book like Exiles. Her being in 616 never made any sense to begin with.

As for Claremont's "abuse"? If you can't take the heat....

Trust me. Claremont doesn't really care what the fanboys complain about. I met the man. I can safely say this is true.

Well I'd really hope not, but it did kind of seem like a hate campaign over there, for a while. :D

I don't know, I just liked Nocturne being on New Excalibur. She'd finally found a home somewhere. But then I suppose she does still have a home back in her own dimension. Unlike Blink, for example. I'd like to see her on New Excalibur. But I really don't think there's enough of a link to the book.

[Pryde&Wisdom]

And about people complaining before NEX started might have something to do that Claremont wanted Nightcrawler and since he couldn't get him he used Nocturne as a substitute , probably because they are both blue.

I really don't think it was that simple. He must have had more of an idea. and he would have known far earlier that Nightcrawler was not a realistic option.

[Novaya Havoc]

It's sad, but I think this might be partly motivated with just having suffered enough of that.:(

OMG the man makes TONS of money in royalties. He bought his mom a plane.

"Suffer." Plz.

[Nachturne]

I really don't think it was that simple. He must have had more of an idea. and he would have known far earlier that Nightcrawler was not a realistic option.

He's been quoted as saying that. He wanted Nightcrawler, but settled for Nocturne when Nightcrawler was made unavailable to him.

[Novaya Havoc]

He's been quoted as saying that. He wanted Nightcrawler, but settled for Nocturne when Nightcrawler was made unavailable to him.

Si si si senorita:


“Overall, they’re here because they’re fun characters and they provide the right visual and character dynamic for the series. Also — no small consideration — because they’re available!

Nocturne -- Nightcrawler was a founding member of the original Excalibur, so it seemed appropriate to present Nocturne in her place; she’s a popular character and we wanted her in a regular X-Canon title. This seemed like a no-brainer.

Juggernaut — we needed a major muscle guy and a reforming villain and in Cain we have someone who can provide some visual comic relief yet who also - because of his past - carries great potential emotional / characterizational weight. Also, he’s Dazzler’s Biggest Fan.

Dazzler — we wanted to use her, we wanted to use her in a setting that left her as a fish out of water, gal with an edge. (Salient fact here is that the Excalibur team will be based in the heart of London, where they can’t help but interact with the Real World; our goal was to bring together a team whose characters and powers complemented each other but who also had the potential to rub each other the wrong way and thereby provide some natural conflict.) A character whose power is glorious light but whose soul these days is perpetual film noir, dark and rainy and bleak with the cold of misery and loss. And who looks great in leather astride a super-bike.

Sage — no room for her in Uncanny and I wasn’t about to let her loose. Also, considering that a major adversary of the team is the Hellfire Club, and a major player its current White Queen, this seemed like the right place for her to be.

Pete Wisdom -- somebody’s got to keep this lot honest.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Excalibur/NewExcalibur.htm

He wanted the "right visual" -- big guy, blue chick, pink hair, blah blah blah. Wants Dazzler to be in leather and an uber-bitch. And, to get to the point of this thread: wanted Nocturne because she was available and Nightcrawler was a founding member.

[Nachturne]

I didn't remember the details about that, but in rereading it, it's obvious he only chose Nocturne because of Nightcrawler. The others he has reasons behind why the specific character will work within the team/his plans for them, while for her it's just "Well....Nightcrawler! No brainer!"

No wonder she sucks so much. He didn't even WANT her.

[Amokitty]

Trust me. Claremont doesn't really care what the fanboys complain about. I met the man. I can safely say this is true.

I've met the man, too. Hell, a LOT of people here have. That doesn't make any of us an authority on how Claremont views fans. From what I've seen, he can act arrogant - but to outright say he doesn't care about what we think...? That's a gross generalization with no basis in fact.

He's been in this business long enough to know that fan opinion can make or break his career (hmmm, wonder what Austen's doing these days?).

[Flameworthy]

Trust me. Claremont doesn't really care what the fanboys complain about. I met the man. I can safely say this is true.

Correction, he only cares about the fans of characters he created. ;) I mean he obviously listened to the Sage fans, since she was put back in that S&M gear they love.

[Novaya Havoc]

Correction, he only cares about the fans of characters he created. ;) I mean he obviously listened to the Sage fans, since she was put back in that S&M gear they love.

Exactamundo!

You just know that Scot Eaton is dying to make Dazzler fabulicious!

[Nachturne]

I'll be scanning and posting more tonight. Honestly, if this doesn't convince you all that TJ was at one time really kick ass, I don't know what will :(.

But here's a scan from issue 16!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/Exiles%2016/exile169.jpg
(Top: "Do you miss him?")
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/Exiles%2016/exile1610.jpg

[Matthew K.]

Nocturne looks best on that Exiles cover with her pops...i also dig it when she wears a variant of his costume :o

[mimic_616]

I really like issue #16 and thats what I miss the most about the title, those little one off personal issues that really humanised the characters. I mean you read issue #16 and then Nocturne now and its like a totally different character. :(

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

that's b/c they're totally different WRITERS

[ImpulseUCF]

that's b/c they're totally different WRITERSDearest Frosty, that shouldn't make a difference, though. Characters should be recognizable throughout creative shifts.

[Nachturne]

By popular demand!! Nocturne the Gladiator in Skrull world:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/skrull1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/skrull2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/skrull3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/skrull4.jpg

There's one more that goes with this...

[Nachturne]

....and here it is!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/skrull5.jpg

[Nachturne]

That would make you my favorite X-poster!

I want a sash at least! :p Tiara if you wanna be fancy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/tjmyst.jpg

Thats the clearest pic in that issue. It's Unlimited, so it was a small story, and most of the pics have TJ standing partially behind Blink, or don't have a body shot. But there it is :D

[CmX]

That was a fun little side-story even though it was by Austen, :O

His Exiles wasn't as bad as his run on X-Men though, good God.

I miss the real TJ.. :(

[Nachturne]

That was a fun little side-story even though it was by Austen, :O

His Exiles wasn't as bad as his run on X-Men though, good God.

I miss the real TJ.. :(

Austen's Exiles was actually really good, discounting that pointless 616 crossover. And this Unlimited story he did was really nice. So was the other one he did with Sabertooth and Mystique, drawn by Henry.

And I do too :(

[The Lucky One]

I never got why Nocturne bothered fighting people in the gladiator arc, when she could have just possessed them all and instantly knocked them unconscious. I guess she was holding it back until a rainy day, like Mimic.

Speaking of which, his way of taking out Cap was AWESOME.

-D

[Arilou]

I never got why Nocturne bothered fighting people in the gladiator arc, when she could have just possessed them all and instantly knocked them unconscious. I guess she was holding it back until a rainy day, like Mimic.

Speaking of which, his way of taking out Cap was AWESOME.

-D

Yeah.

*sniff* I miss Mimic!

[Nachturne]

Cal's fight with Captian America was really frikken awesome. I always liked Mimic. In fact, Exiles was that rare book where I really liked ALL the characters (up until Namora...yek)

Anyway, more TJ awesomeness!!

TJ saves Heather's life:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/heather1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/heather2.jpg

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I liked Namora....more so b/c it was a nice throwback to when they first encountered Namor and the covers were similar...plus I liked that her origin was a v. nice spin on alt. reality versions of characters....she kind of behaved (and had powers) like Monet.

[Nachturne]

I liked Namora....more so b/c it was a nice throwback to when they first encountered Namor and the covers were similar...plus I liked that her origin was a v. nice spin on alt. reality versions of characters....she kind of behaved (and had powers) like Monet.

I liked Namora better the first time...when she was Ilyanna :P.

Honestly, I can be fair and admit I didn't give Namora much of a chance. I didn't like her to begin with, and then she replaced TJ, and then not long after I stopped reading. I don't doubt she was cool...I just never picked up on her.

[ImpulseUCF]

Stop it! You're killing me! It's too painful to revisit how much ass she kicked! Ohh, the humanity! God, she was awesome. So was pretty much all of Exiles. Grr.

Even Chuck Austen wrote her well!!!

Still, it's nice to remember the good times.

[blinkinrogue]

nach i asked this before im not sure i got an answer but could nocturne possess hyperion? would the "coma" effect work on him as well? can she possess people, like, 2-3 days consecutively?

[blinkinrogue]

i really enjoyed austen's run, especially with hyperion, you could always feel the danger involved.... actually i liked all the exile issues with evil hyperion in it, he was just so damn cocky that everytime they hurt him somewhat, i cheer endlessly.... :)

[Nachturne]

nach i asked this before im not sure i got an answer but could nocturne possess hyperion? would the "coma" effect work on him as well? can she possess people, like, 2-3 days consecutively?

As far as we know, the coma effect would work on Hyperion, but we dont know as it didnt happen. She can possess for an indeterminate ammount of time, but the longest she's ever tried was 12 hrs.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I thought the longest was like two weeks....b/c isnt her name some sorta reference to her possessing someone for the cycle of the moon or some such?

I have to admit I sorta liked Austens run on eXiles as well....especially compared to where it is now and that whole World Tour BS.

Blink was a strong and powerful leader i HATE HATE HATE that sabertooth came on this book! I kept expecting her to STOP bowing down before everything he said and just snap and say "Look I lead this team NOT you!"

it destroyed her character.....i loved her friendship with TJ they were so cute together, both elfish :)

[mimic_616]

I thought the longest was like two weeks....b/c isnt her name some sorta reference to her possessing someone for the cycle of the moon or some such?

I have to admit I sorta liked Austens run on eXiles as well....especially compared to where it is now and that whole World Tour BS.

Blink was a strong and powerful leader i HATE HATE HATE that sabertooth came on this book! I kept expecting her to STOP bowing down before everything he said and just snap and say "Look I lead this team NOT you!"

it destroyed her character.....i loved her friendship with TJ they were so cute together, both elfish :)

I have to agree I also REALLY hate Creed in Exiles. I pray for the issue when he is shipped back to AoA and Blink can take charge again. I also liked TJ and Blink's friendship but whats the bet that Clearmont will totally screw this up when they are reunited?

Also, is anyone else hating Morph as much as I am since Clearmont took over the comic?

[ImpulseUCF]

I also liked TJ and Blink's friendship but whats the bet that Clearmont will totally screw this up when they are reunited? Probably pretty high, as nearly all of the original cast have acted least slightly OOC since he took over, Morph being the worst of.
Also, is anyone else hating Morph as much as I am since Clearmont took over the comic?You mean the perverted, loyal genius with a perverted sense of humor being replaced by a bumbling six year-old coward? Yeah, it irks me.


Also, I was discussing TJ at another forum and someone had the nerve to say Nocturne had never been "humanized" or made relatable because she had never suffered a major illness before. WTF?!?! As the discussion went on, they made it clear that they only though a character suffering an illness was the only thing that made them relatable. I could not disagree more, and I wrote a pretty touching piece on it. I'm going to share it with you all here.

Please discuss!

See, I can definitely understand people being able to relate to the physical illness, the emotional and physical struggle that comes from it, and of course anyone who has gone through something similar can identify with it. I get that. I respect that.

However, it irks me to no end that you say her incredibly serious and severe emotional issues did not humanize her or make her feel "real," and I cannot accept this notion that the only way to relate to a fictional character is through their mortality. Yes, that is one type of story we can relate to, but I'm slightly offended that some people seem to act like that's the only way that matters. :mad:

You mention illness/death of friends/family. Well, TJ did in fact suffer the loss of her love, the father of her child, as well as the child. As far as she knows, her lover is brain dead at best. Her child is dead, miscarried either by chance or by choice, she is stranded alone, and for all she knows, she has not completed her mission and her father is dead. She does not know about the Timebroker's being a front, about the bugs lying about their homeworld's situations, nothing. How can you possibly say that isn't sufficient stress to humanize someone? It's all fluff until someone breaks their leg, is that it? Or suffers an illness? Debilitating heartache, crushing depression and loneliness that chills to the bone from the loss of everyone you knew and loved are extremely serious, life-defining and character-changing events, and the notion that these are somehow less significant than a physical illness is downright insulting and really irritates me. :eek:

I don't know if you've lost loved ones or know the crushing devastation that that comes from being ripped apart from the love of your life, but it is crushing. It permeates every fiber of your being and affects everything you do. It is not a short-term process, and takes weeks, months, or years to recover from. Can you imagine what it would be like to be all alone, forced from your home with a handful of strangers and the love of your life, only to lose your love and your child and be forced from your home, thinking your father and family are dead and gone? :(

Please don't downplay the impact that emotional suffering has on people. It's wrong and insulting. Please try to reconsider the effects of emotional turmoil, and please don't try to tell me or anyone else that it's not relateable or humanizing. Everyone suffers mortality eventually. Sure, it's an impactful story in its own right, but there's noting unique to any character about it. We all must face that eventuality eventually. The interpersonal stresses and struggles and relations between characters provide far more depth and realism to me as they stem from the characters actual personalities and affect how they interact with each other (assuming the writer is capable of doing so). As each character has their own uniquely defined personality and traits, each reacts to situations and other characters differently, making them infinitely more unique, and thus relateable and real in my eyes, because nobody I know is exactly like anyone else.

Anyone can get sick or hurt. Not everyone reacts to relationships, death, loss, or heartache the same. Not everyone shares the same emotions, or has the same hang-ups. TJ has never been helpless? Or physically hurt? What about being kidnapped and brutalized by Mojo? She was strung up with no dignity, helpless, and was brutally tortured, with even darker happenings implied. As far as she knows, everyone she's ever loved is dead.

Don't tell me she has not been humanized. You say you've read all of Exiles but you did not pick up on any of that? Your loss, truly. For lack of a better analogy, it sounds like the difference, to me, between "hearing" someone and "listening." I'm not trying to be rude, so please don't mistake my passion for rage or rudeness. But...it's just staggering to me that you can say she was not humanized, and forgive me or saying it, but physical illness as the only means of characterizing a protagonist is generic and shallow by comparison, IMO. It's much more difficult to flesh out a characters' personality so that they respond to things consistently and uniquely. It's another thing entirely to create a whole group of characters like that, and actually have them interact. Not quite so hard to write an illness.

I'm not saying an illness is not relateable or impactful, but I am saying it clearly is not the only or necessarily the best way to do so, and I resent the notion that it is. Anyone who's gone through emotional turmoil can tell you it is the biggest thing in the world when it's happening to you. I've seen it, watched it, and been through it myself, so please don't trivialize it to me.

Whew. Okay, I feel better. I hope you'll rethink your stance after all that, or at least expand the way you look into things. It was good for me. Was it good for you?

[Pach!]

I have to agree I also REALLY hate Creed in Exiles. I pray for the issue when he is shipped back to AoA and Blink can take charge again. I also liked TJ and Blink's friendship but whats the bet that Clearmont will totally screw this up when they are reunited?

Also, is anyone else hating Morph as much as I am since Clearmont took over the comic?


I totally hate morph since Claremont took over! He went from funny to fanboy. He's like Creed's cheerleader. And it doesn't help that Creed is very unlikeable.

[The Lucky One]

Different strokes, clearly... I've read Exiles since issue 1, and I think Claremont's got a good handle on the characters. Time will tell.

-D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

You do know he plans to obliterate the cast and replace them with the cast of Excalibur, right?

and yes that's complete CRAP about Nocturne "needing" to be humanized....is that some sick joke about her appearence? seriously she had more humanity in the first 20 issues than any of the characters currently in Excalibur.

[xmanson]

The only issue I actuallt remember her doing anyhting remotely interesting is the abortion issue. that was a great one.

Anyhting else was pretty forgetable (I don't rmember 90% of the stuff posetd here).

[ImpulseUCF]

The only issue I actuallt remember her doing anyhting remotely interesting is the abortion issue. that was a great one.

Anyhting else was pretty forgetable (I don't rmember 90% of the stuff posetd here).Then you evidently weren't paying attention when you read it as you don't remember any of it.

[xmanson]

Then you evidently weren't paying attention when you read it as you don't remember any of it.

Or it just wasn't interesting to begin with. :p

I rmemeber she kicked someone in one issue. Oh, and when she got tortured by Mojo.

[Pach!]

Or it just wasn't interesting to begin with. :p

I rmemeber she kicked someone in one issue.

But you're saying that Claremont's Nocturne has done something interesting?

[xmanson]

But you're saying that Claremont's Nocturne has done something interesting?

No, I am not. And you are asking that becauuse...?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

The only issue I actuallt remember her doing anyhting remotely interesting is the abortion issue. that was a great one.

Anyhting else was pretty forgetable (I don't rmember 90% of the stuff posetd here).

i'll let this slide, this ONCE.....there's a DISTINCT difference b/w having an ABORTION and MISCARRING a child!:mad:

She lost her baby, either b/c the PTB wouldn't let it carry over or it couldn't handle the stress of moving from world to world

[Pach!]

No, I am not. And you are asking that becauuse...?

Because the character has changed a lot and maybe you found her interesting now.

[xmanson]

She had an abortion. That's my view.

She miscarried. That's your view.

Until it's confirmed on panel whatever happened, we are both right.

Because the character has changed a lot and maybe you found her interesting now.

Nah, still boring. :)

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

:evilangry

i can't believe......


....yea...shes just FOUND some abortion clinic on a different world and without knowing how long they had until they moved on...got rid of her baby with the man she loved even tho she had NO idea he wouldn't be moving on with her at the time

[xmanson]

:evilangry

i can't believe......


....yea...shes just FOUND some abortion clinic on a different world and without knowing how long they had until they moved on...got rid of her baby with the man she loved even tho she had NO idea he wouldn't be moving on with her at the time

Not all abortions are had on clinics. Most of them, i'd say, are not.

Now I'm reminded of a AbFAb episode.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Not all abortions are had on clinics. Most of them, i'd say, are not.

Now I'm reminded of a AbFAb episode.

"when i heard Eds was pregnant I said ABORT!..ABORT! ABORT! ABORT! CHUCK IT DOWN THE PAN!...Bring me a...a.."

"a knitting needle?"

"A knitting Needle!"

*slap*

:)

[mimic_616]

She miscarried.

[Arilou]

:evilangry

i can't believe......


....yea...shes just FOUND some abortion clinic on a different world and without knowing how long they had until they moved on...got rid of her baby with the man she loved even tho she had NO idea he wouldn't be moving on with her at the time

She specifically mentioned that she went to a hospital and "lost the baby": There's a pretty good indicator that she had an abortion. (I don't blame her, havinga child while an Exile is the very definition of "bad move".)

[Starfish]

Well, hello there, everyone. :)

In the past I used to post on other boards, but I've been lurking here for quite some time now. Finally brought my lazy self to register an account here.


(...)
Also, I was discussing TJ at another forum and someone had the nerve to say Nocturne had never been "humanized" or made relatable because she had never suffered a major illness before. WTF?!?! As the discussion went on, they made it clear that they only though a character suffering an illness was the only thing that made them relatable. I could not disagree more, and I wrote a pretty touching piece on it. I'm going to share it with you all here.

Please discuss!
(...)


I have followed that discussion you mentioned and I have to wholeheartedly agree with your opinion. And thank you for sharing this with us, it is indeed quite touching.

Letting a character suffer a terrible, crippling illness for the sake of making her relatable is heavy-handed at best, or simply bad writing at worst.
If something like this would really be necessary, how comes that the overwhelming majority of fictional characters ever created (regardless of media) do not have to suffer debilitating ailments and the audience can strongly relate to them nonetheless?

Of course, such a scene will evoke an emotional response in the reader, create a feeling of sympathy for TJ and make the events quite touching (or, as in my case, heart-wrenching), but that is in fact a rather cheap way of accomplishing this.
When watching any kind of medical drama one will always feel this kind of compassion for a character who has to suffer this way, even though not knowing anything about this person. This gives us an idea about how powerful, and how blunt, this tool can be.
TJ, however, is not a stranger to us. We know her background and what she has gone through in the past. She has suffered several blows of fate already. Now, when an author can't or won't use these events in her life to make us care about her, but instead decides that it is necessary to take away what little she has left and make her life even more miserable, then this is just an evidence of incapacity to me.

It has always been a trend in comics that the writers felt compelled to use these heavy-handed methods to drive home their point: let's kill a character to show the danger, let's make someone suffer great tragedy so everyone can feel sorry for them, and so on.
But this is not what I consider good writing. Letting the audience fear for the life of the protagonists or making them relatable by showing their physical plight is the most basic way to create suspense. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Sure, it works, but in the long run I find it entirely boring, because it is impersonable and doesn't take into account the different personalities of the characters. Imho, it certainly is not the trademark of a great writer.

Sure, you can hardly argue the point that the stroke adds gritty realism to the book and gives the superhuman characters a very down-to-earth human quality. But over at the xfans board I explained in Nocturne's thread why I actually don't want to see this kind of harsh reality in a superhero comic (at least not in the way how it was done in NEX).

[ImpulseUCF]

Starfish,

First, welcome! Thanks for joining up. I recently joined up over here, but I still post at Comixfan pretty regularly. I think you'll find CBR refreshingly less restrictive, and there's some different folks with different opinions to keep things interesting. Anyway...

Thanks for the kind words in relation to my rant and for yours as well. You also hit the nail right on the head. It is blunt, and it works, but it's so generic. Literally any character could have been swapped out with TJ and the story would have had the same impact. I'd much rather see hardships for a character stem from something that defines that character other than having a pulse.

Thanks!

[xmanson]

She specifically mentioned that she went to a hospital and "lost the baby": There's a pretty good indicator that she had an abortion. (I don't blame her, havinga child while an Exile is the very definition of "bad move".)

And, as she said, she couldn't do it alone. (do it = have the child)

[ImpulseUCF]

In the actual book, yes, it was left ambiguous, but it was heavily implied it was an abortion.

[Nachturne]

Winick also confirmed later that it was meant to be an abortion ;)

[mimic_616]

Y'know I was pretty surprised that TJ got pregnant. I mean when some one becomes an exile they stop aging, so I really don't understand why a baby would grow inside TJ in the first place. :confused:

[Starfish]

Thanks for the welcome, ImpulseUCF. I've already realized that discussion is a bit more loose over here, and I like that.

Concerning TJ's pregnancy, I was fine with the ambigous way it was handled, but to me an abortion has always appeared as the more likely option. Now, it would be a shame if all of this would be swept under the carpet, because it not only has the potential to be the basis for an outstanding story (especially in regard to the possibility that Thunderbird might still come back to life), but would also be a very formative event in a young woman's life.

Of course, something like this would have to be handled with great care and tactfulness, by a writer who not only has a firm grasp on the characters' personalities but who can also find the right tone to tell such a story.
However, I neither think that Claremont is the right man for this job, nor do I believe that he has the intention to tackle this issue.

[xmanson]

I think the abortion thing has a problem on editorial too. Do they want one of their charcaters to have had an abortion?

[Starfish]

Well, hard to tell, but yes, I can actually see editorial chicken out on this one, regarding the issue as being too risky. And one would also need to find a writer who is confident enough. I know chances are slim that it is ever going to happen.

[ImpulseUCF]

Of course, something like this would have to be handled with great care and tactfulness, by a writer who not only has a firm grasp on the characters' personalities but who can also find the right tone to tell such a story.Yup. Just like Winnick. It hasn't been half as good since he left. :(

However, I neither think that Claremont is the right man for this job, nor do I believe that he has the intention to tackle this issue.100% agreed on all counts. :)

[Starfish]

I'm still in the process of catching up with the recent events in the x-world (gee, always this annoying thing called real life), but just found some time to work through this whole thread. Let me say "Thank you" to Nachturne for starting it and posting so many great images of TJ, and of course to everyone else who uploaded pictures. :)

This brought up some fond memories of a better age and helped me remember why I love this character so much. On the other hand, all these great past moments make it painfully clear that our current Nocturne is just a shadow of her former self. :(

But it looks like she will be written by CC for a while longer, at least until this planned Exiles/NEX crossover will be done. And chances for Winick to ever return to Exiles are pretty slim.

[tetragene]

I definitely think I want to check out the Mojoworld story and read an actual decent Mojo story as opposed to a really goofy one. What was the arc called? Released in tpb?

[creaky]

I think the abortion thing has a problem on editorial too. Do they want one of their charcaters to have had an abortion?

That would be interesting if they didn't. Characters killing and maiming people left and right is a-OK, even encouraged, but abortion is taboo?

[The Lucky One]

I definitely think I want to check out the Mojoworld story and read an actual decent Mojo story as opposed to a really goofy one. What was the arc called? Released in tpb?

Well, the BEST Mojo story is still Longshot's miniseries, which you really ought to read... it's pretty awesome. However, the Mojoverse story from Exiles was a two-parter called "So Lame." Can't remember exact issue numbers, but I want to say in the late teens or thereabouts. (I could be way off, though.) Not a lot of Longshot, but some nice Morph moments and Mojo actually sounding psychotic and threatening, instead of like a joke.

-D

[Nachturne]

I'm still in the process of catching up with the recent events in the x-world (gee, always this annoying thing called real life), but just found some time to work through this whole thread. Let me say "Thank you" to Nachturne for starting it and posting so many great images of TJ, and of course to everyone else who uploaded pictures. :)

This brought up some fond memories of a better age and helped me remember why I love this character so much. On the other hand, all these great past moments make it painfully clear that our current Nocturne is just a shadow of her former self. :(

But it looks like she will be written by CC for a while longer, at least until this planned Exiles/NEX crossover will be done. And chances for Winick to ever return to Exiles are pretty slim.

It's depressing as all hell that CC has his hands on her for the foreseeable future. It seems to be the consensus of Nocturne fans that he's doing awful things with her.

And don't thank me! Thank Winick and Califiore for giving me this obsession! :p

I definitely think I want to check out the Mojoworld story and read an actual decent Mojo story as opposed to a really goofy one. What was the arc called? Released in tpb?

As LuckyOne said, its So Lame, issues (IIRC) 17 and 18. Roundabout there, but I'm pretty sure. Great arc. The torture scans of Nocturne on the previous page(s) are from that arc.

Well, the BEST Mojo story is still Longshot's miniseries, which you really ought to read... it's pretty awesome. However, the Mojoverse story from Exiles was a two-parter called "So Lame." Can't remember exact issue numbers, but I want to say in the late teens or thereabouts. (I could be way off, though.) Not a lot of Longshot, but some nice Morph moments and Mojo actually sounding psychotic and threatening, instead of like a joke.

-D

Agreed on Mojo being best when not a joke. I never cared for Mojo much, and rarely read him until So Lame, which totally gave me love for him. Then I read him when CC brought him back in Uncanny with those annoying Xbabies and the ridiculous Exiles lawyers and it was like...what happened? What happened to this blob of pure evil? Why is he pulling slapstick??

And while Longshot didn't have the biggest role in So Lame, you have to love that speech Mimic give him, and the resulting dialogue. One of my favorite comic moments ever! I think that'll be my next scan...even if it doesn't involve TJ..

[Brian M.]

I had a dream I made it w/ a blue chick.

[Nachturne]

I want a sash at least! :p Tiara if you wanna be fancy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/tjmyst.jpg

Thats the clearest pic in that issue. It's Unlimited, so it was a small story, and most of the pics have TJ standing partially behind Blink, or don't have a body shot. But there it is :D

Vemon <3

:p

[We R. Venom]

Hehe thanks. I totally remember it now.:p

[Dagger]

Well, the BEST Mojo story is still Longshot's miniseries, which you really ought to read... it's pretty awesome. However, the Mojoverse story from Exiles was a two-parter called "So Lame." Can't remember exact issue numbers, but I want to say in the late teens or thereabouts. (I could be way off, though.) Not a lot of Longshot, but some nice Morph moments and Mojo actually sounding psychotic and threatening, instead of like a joke.

-D
Totally agree! Ann Nocenti's Longshot mini>>>>>All other Mojo appearances.

[mimic_616]

I had a dream I made it w/ a blue chick.

I am scared.......was it Twi'lek? LOL!

[Nachturne]

This was on like..the 5th page!

Come on!! We all have love for Talia Josephine Wagner!!

[Stephane Garrelie]

Yep. And she really looks adult here:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/StephaneGarrelie/NEX191.jpg

[Nachturne]

I just hope that misspelling is due to the stroke...she got the rest of her name right..

[Brian M.]

This was on like..the 5th page!

Come on!! We all have love for Talia Josephine Wagner!!

Well you go away just as we were getting ready to start liking you and ya, your thread will disappear.

[ImpulseUCF]

I think it just came down to there be nothing new to talk about. It had been something like 2 months since her last appearance. We need something new to bitch about. :p

[CmX]

I think it just came down to there be nothing new to talk about. It had been something like 2 months since her last appearance. We need something new to bitch about. :p

Why is she drinking chocolate milk and chewing bubble gum that's sick! Damn you CC!!! Arrgh!!

Good enough? :D

[Apocalypse Now Then!]

Does anybody else reckon that Nocturne might well be out of action for large parts of the current New Excalibur arc, only to get back on her feet and save the day in the end?

[Stephane Garrelie]

Does anybody else reckon that Nocturne might well be out of action for large parts of the current New Excalibur arc, only to get back on her feet and save the day in the end?

Maybe, but she have lot of panel time in this week's issue non the less. :)

[Starfish]

This was on like..the 5th page!

Come on!! We all have love for Talia Josephine Wagner!!
Of course we do! We were probably just waiting for her to make an appearance again, since she was completely absent in NEX #18.

Yep. And she really looks adult here:

Thanks for the pic, Stephane. I think she looks rather good there. But heck, that's indeed not fair. How is she supposed to properly type on that little notebook. That's hard enough with normal fingers. :p

Does anybody else reckon that Nocturne might well be out of action for large parts of the current New Excalibur arc, only to get back on her feet and save the day in the end?

Yes, that is what I'm expecting, as well. Apparently CC isn't going to rush her recovery, so she won't be part of the action for the largest part of the current arc. We will probably see her fighting her way back to top form during the next issues and get a few more interactions with the rest of the team. But I'm almost certain that she'll play a crucial role during the climax of the arc.

[Nachturne]

Honestly..I don't want TJ to star, I don't want her to have panel time. I want her to be TJ and she STILL sucks. Stroke or not.

I'd be happy if she had one word and one panel for the rest of this series, if that word were completely in character.

[Starfish]

I know what you mean, Nacht. There is no denying that TJ has been written out of character for quite a while, basically for most of the time she is in the 616 universe now. I'm frustrated with this just as much as you are.

Now, I wouldn't feel comfortable with solely blaming Claremont for how she is currently portrayed. Of course, he is the one who has written her this way over the course of this title, but I honestly think that the problem runs deeper than that, right to Marvel's editorial staff who often does naught to control the various antics of their writers.

But I'm glad TJ gets some panel time, because in my opinion her story warrants it. When she did not appear in NEX #18 I started to fear that she would fall to the wayside, having served her purpose during events beforehand and then be more or less forgotten. That would have really maddened me.

I'm still not happy with how her character has been written and how she has been treated up to this point, for a multitude of reasons. But here we are now and the situation has to be dealt with. It cannot be said that I take enjoyment in the current events, but I'd like to see that the best is made out of it now.

TJ will be under Claremont's pen for the forseeable future. That's not likely to change, but I'm also not going to give up on her character. After this arc, will she still be written in the same way as she's been until now, will she be closer to her former self, or something entirely different? I've no idea, but seeing that she is portrayed in a more mature way now gives me a little bit of hope and I'm determined to see where this will take her character.

Sometimes all you can do is hang in there and hope for the best. ;)

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Ive read maybe the first 30 issues of Exiles, which i disliked

Well not even disliked. Just had no feelings toward, positive or negative. If i hated it, id probably still be reading it


That being said, although it was a while ago, i dont really think there is too drastic a difference between Nocturne in that and Nocturne in 616.

What am i missing?

[Starfish]

Well, my main problem is that she has been portrayed as a very lighthearted teenaged girl in New Excalibur and I have a hard time believing that someone in her situation would behave this way.

Not only would events in Exiles (loss of her lover, her child, friends, torture..) have caused her to mature well beyond this stage (she wasn't even a teenager anymore when she joined the Exiles), but the fact that she has been dumped in the 616 universe should cause her some major grief.

She has been recruited by the Timebroker to help fix the alternate universes. Should she decline or fail during her mission her own universe would remain broken and she would be returned to a world where her father has been killed. Now she was left behind by the Exiles in 616, never learning that the Timebroker was fake, and so has to assume that she failed her mission, basically stranded on a foreign world without the hope of ever seeing her real home again, possibly thinking that her real Dad is dead now because she couldn't complete her mission.

IIrc this has not really been touched upon since she is in 616. However, the fact that she appears more mature in the latest issue, that her backstory has been recapped beforehand and that there is a Exiles / NEX crossover on the horizon give me the hope that these things will get some closure then.

[Nachturne]

Nothing about TJ other than the fact she is Nightcrawlers AU daughter has been touched on since she came to 616. NOTHING. We got a brief little "this is what she was" in the stroke story, but recapping history means nothing when you're not showing that that history is a part of the person.

Anyway, I wanna scan more, but am having difficulty thinking of specific events/instances that wouldnt be like...scanning an entire issue :P. Anyone got ideas?? Requests??

[blinkinrogue]

nach, are you excited as i am with the blink-nocturne reunion? hopefully cc wont get rid of clarice and send her to limbo. exiles is in need of 2 girls with different shades of "tan." :D

[jarrod]

Nothing about TJ other than the fact she is Nightcrawlers AU daughter has been touched on since she came to 616. NOTHING. We got a brief little "this is what she was" in the stroke story, but recapping history means nothing when you're not showing that that history is a part of the person.
Claremont touched on her band background didn't he? He used it as apsychic defense of sorts in the first NEX story.

[Nachturne]

nach, are you excited as i am with the blink-nocturne reunion? hopefully cc wont get rid of clarice and send her to limbo. exiles is in need of 2 girls with different shades of "tan." :D

I dunno dude. From how he's treating Clarice and how he's treating TJ, I don't forsee a very interesting reunion.

And he did mention the band stuff, but I'm not looking for surface stuff. I want to see at heart that this is TJ. What he's doing is basically like putting her in a shirt that says "I am TJ". Yeah, stop telling me she is and show me she is.

[Starfish]

Nothing about TJ other than the fact she is Nightcrawlers AU daughter has been touched on since she came to 616. NOTHING. We got a brief little "this is what she was" in the stroke story, but recapping history means nothing when you're not showing that that history is a part of the person.

True. Her backstory has pretty much been completely ignored since she's been dumped in 616. Perhaps this will change in the forseeable future and we get to see how her past affects her character in the present situation and how it will influence her future decisions.
I mean, uninitiated readers got a glimpse at her history and now there's the chance to reestablish her character. There's a good chance that I'm fooling myself here, but well, I can at least hope for it.

Anyway, I wanna scan more, but am having difficulty thinking of specific events/instances that wouldnt be like...scanning an entire issue :P. Anyone got ideas?? Requests??

TJ and Blink talking about guys, specifically Tony Stark's butt, is quite amusing. I just hope that the Tony in her universe emanates much less dickery than the 616 counterpart does. Can't remember which issue that was in, though.

[CmX]

I dunno dude. From how he's treating Clarice and how he's treating TJ, I don't forsee a very interesting reunion.

And he did mention the band stuff, but I'm not looking for surface stuff. I want to see at heart that this is TJ. What he's doing is basically like putting her in a shirt that says "I am TJ". Yeah, stop telling me she is and show me she is.

Me either... I totally agree. When she was singing.. "Exiles always running away!" or whatever oh God vommit rose up my throat. Would have been a lot nicer w/out lyrics/dialogue.

[Starfish]

Oh, yeah right, I remember. Those lyrics were awful! Seriously, had they simply shown her sing without giving us the words it would have been much better. Or maybe had them cover a song by a real punk band. That would have been cool.

[Nachturne]

Me either... I totally agree. When she was singing.. "Exiles always running away!" or whatever oh God vommit rose up my throat. Would have been a lot nicer w/out lyrics/dialogue.

Oh God they were awful. I much prefered when Califiore showed her singing with her band and we got no lyrics...just Kitty's reaction to it. Heh.

[Nachturne]

I go away to Texas, and this dies? WTF!!!

I'll be scanning tonight, kids!! Star's request and anything else??

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I go away to Texas, and this dies? WTF!!!

I'll be scanning tonight, kids!! Star's request and anything else??

hmmm Blink teleporting Claremont in half?

and what was with the unnecessary violence at the end of this week's eXiles?! That's some serious "american psycho" BS

[Nachturne]

hmmm Blink teleporting Claremont in half?

and what was with the unnecessary violence at the end of this week's eXiles?! That's some serious "american psycho" BS

I didn't even flip through it at the comic shop...was it stupid? I bet it was.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

SPOILER ALERT

at the VERY end...they show a different universe with a different psylocke...some assmite says "you're very attractive" and she says "you're too kind" and he frickin smashes her face in like a psycho

The first alt. version of psylocke we've seen in eXiles and she gets killed....the writing is SO psychotic/masochistic

[Novaya Havoc]

OMG NOCTURNE!

I love love love Exiles 16. Oh, T-Bird! :(

And Mojo torturing her. Awful. Totally makes the "Ewwww! MOJO!! EWWW!" scene in NEX "SO LAME."

That's all I have to say.

[CmX]

The first alt. version of psylocke we've seen in eXiles and she gets killed....the writing is SO psychotic/masochistic

WTF was that all about? I didn't get that at all lol...

This last issue just confused the hell out of me.. made like no fuckin sense it was like "the world ended.. but now it's back but with no bad guys with no explaination the end" wtf?? lol

[blinkinrogue]

cant wait for the blink-nach reunion, barring mystique, non-traditionally colored girls should stick together :)

[ImpulseUCF]

cant wait for the blink-nach reunion, barring mystique, non-traditionally colored girls should stick together :)I'd be happier if Chuck Austen were writing it over Claremont, though. :(

[Novaya Havoc]

http://www.comicsvf.com/scans/vo/exiles/16.jpg

I absolutely adore this Nocturne cover and love the story.

Gawgeous.

[Novaya Havoc]

Another one of my fave Exiles covers. OH, COOL NOCTURNE AND MARIKO! How I miss you both. :(

http://www.comicsvf.com/scans/vo/exiles/27.jpg

[Nachturne]

Two brilliant choices. *sigh* OK I am scanning!!!

[Nachturne]

Here, Starfish's request!:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/tjclarice1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/tjclarice2.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

Oh, sexy sexy Mimic. I miss cool Mimic. NOT ANGSTY MIMIC RESPONSIBLE FOR CHARACTER DEATHS! :mad:

[xmanson]

Those were some great Exlies issues by Winnic. Too bad the rest of his run is pretty blah.

[Nachturne]

Those were some great Exlies issues by Winnic. Too bad the rest of his run is pretty blah.

I'm....sorry...I...VAGINA POWER!!!

<3 <3 <3 Alexysss

[Starfish]

Woohoo, thanks a million Nacht, these are awesome!!! Oh, those were the days! Fond memories make me forget the sucky weekend trip I just had to endure. :D

And that are some nice issues there, Novaya. Thanks for posting the covers. And I really miss Mariko, but on the other hand, at least she's spared the fate of being in the current mess. Claremonty Mariko... *shudder*

[mimic_616]

I loved that issue of Exiles, Winnick was a master at writing that comic. Mimic was cool, Morph was funny, Blink was interesting, TJ and T-Bird were a great couple and now look at it. *Sigh*

Btw does anyone remember the two issues where we see TJ's Earth and at the end of it we see TJ and Blink talking on the beach in the exact same pose but wearing bikins? That was lame.

[Nachturne]

Btw does anyone remember the two issues where we see TJ's Earth and at the end of it we see TJ and Blink talking on the beach in the exact same pose but wearing bikins? That was lame.

LOL! Totally!! I think they were trying to recycle the panel without saying that talk took place that specific day. Hey, you know, I give Califiore credit for writing and penciling that entire arc..he may have inked as well. He also did one of the covers.

Anyway, this isn't Nocturne, but it's one of my favorite moments from Exiles ever. "So Lame"!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/longshot1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/longshot2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/TJ/longshot3.jpg

[mimic_616]

Yeah that two parter in the Mojoverse was great. Infact that was Morph at his best. Pitty what they did to TJ though.

[Novaya Havoc]

LOL! Mariko calling Longshot a "Nancy Boy" is one of my most favorite moments ever. :D

[Stephane Garrelie]

Nice art by Jeremy Haun:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/StephaneGarrelie/File0044-1.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

TJ IN NEX 20!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Dazzler/TJ.jpg

[Nachturne]

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3!!!!

Ftw!!!!!

[ImpulseUCF]

TJ IN NEX 20!

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7103/ccohcomeonbs7.jpg



Hahahahahah! Nice!

"Scissor me!!! SCISSOR ME!! YEAAAH!!!"

[Nachturne]

Scissor me timbers!!

My god...I love you guys! <3<3<3

[Stephane Garrelie]

TJ IN NEX 20!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Dazzler/TJ.jpg

Very funny Ben :D

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Hahahahahah! Nice!

"Scissor me!!! SCISSOR ME!! YEAAAH!!!"

LOL OMG

Is that how two gay male "bottoms" have sex too?:p

[Novaya Havoc]

OHMIGAW.

As I continue reading Exiles, they replaced Nocturne with Beak?! NOCTURNE FOR BEAK?!

You're jokin! You're jokin! I can't believe my eyes! You're jokin' me -- you gotta be! -- this can't be the right guy!

GOOD LORD.

[Nachturne]

OHMIGAW.

As I continue reading Exiles, they replaced Nocturne with Beak?! NOCTURNE FOR BEAK?!

You're jokin! You're jokin! I can't believe my eyes! You're jokin' me -- you gotta be! -- this can't be the right guy!

GOOD LORD.

Well...he did have a baseball bat and Xorn's helmet

.....yeah it sucked. I MISS TJ!!! :(:(:(

[Brett P]

I havnt even thought 'bout TJ recently...her appearances in NEX leave me cold.

How I miss her :(

[xmanson]

But beak was good in making friends!!! That's the most important power in the world.

The more you know... "and shooting star"

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I'd rather live in ignorance than know anything about Beak

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'd rather live in ignorance than know anything about Beak

Beak (Barnell Bohusk) is the name of a fictional character associated with the X-Men and its spinoff the Exiles. Beak first appeared in New X-Men #117 and was created by Grant Morrison and Ethan Van Sciver.

Born in Rotterdam, Netherlands, Beak started developing his powers at puberty. His body changed into that of a humanoid-bird form, with a beaked face, bulbous eyes, wing-like arms that give him the ability to fly (albeit clumsily), talons on his hands and feet, and double-jointed knees. He also possesses heightened agility, and he may possess heightened senses and a lighter skeletal structure like the avian X-Man formerly known as the Angel. Feeling disgusted and ashamed because of his appearance, Beak ran away from home and went into hiding. He tells Beast[1] that his nickname originated from other teenagers in Rotterdam, who would find him hiding behind beer barrels.

Mwwwahahahaha!

[Affinity]

LOLOLOL BEN THAT EDIT is so hilar!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Mwwwahahahaha!

Evil:evilangry

[Nachturne]

Let's post more scans!!!

[Novaya Havoc]

For all you TALIA JOSEPHINE WAGNER fans out there, a tittalizing preview of NEX 21!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Dazzler/nocturnescissors.jpg

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

LMAO I didn't know it was a joke until she said "scissoring"

[Novaya Havoc]

LMAO I didn't know it was a joke until she said "scissoring"

LOL That's so ALMOST sig-worthy.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

LOL That's so ALMOST sig-worthy.

ALMOST?!

damn it! lol

[jester1436]

Having read the preview for the latest NEX with the spotlight back on Nocturne, all I have to say is: WTF?????

We need an internalized possession visual?? Really??

[CmX]

Oh CC... :(

Poor TJ I fear nobody ever good will write the poor dear again.

[Novaya Havoc]

Having read the preview for the latest NEX with the spotlight back on Nocturne, all I have to say is: WTF?????

We need an internalized possession visual?? Really??

Not to mention Nocturne is only allowed to possess one person per day, hence the code-name "Nocturne."

[Daithi]

Not to mention Nocturne is only allowed to possess one person per day, hence the code-name "Nocturne."

She also doesn't have the person's memories when she possess them. That's happened when she's possessed Sage and Rachel.

Sage even commented on how she was blocking (gah!) Nocturne's access to Sage's memories. I was waiting for Nocturne to hit back with "well I can't access your memories anyway".

[Arilou]

Not to mention Nocturne is only allowed to possess one person per day, hence the code-name "Nocturne."

Actually that's not what it said, IIRC. (At least not in the original incident) what she said is that she can only possess you for at maximum one day. (IE: It breaks at dawn, or at dusk, as the case may be, hence "Nocturne")

She has in fact possessed several people the same day, but she can't stay in possession mode for more than 12 hours.

[Nachturne]

*resurrects*

Civil war's over but:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Nacht714/NocturneCivil.jpg

I'm always with bloobies.

[Novaya Havoc]

When you first posted that pic, I thought she was surrounded by lightning all Storm naked goddess.

Then I read Exiles and realized it was SHOWER!

[Nachturne]

Totally shower. Nocturne was the SEX of Exiles. And now...the kid of NEX.

:( :( :( I miss sexy near naked Nocturne!

[jester1436]

NEX Nocturne ribbits when she has dream sex with Al and Juggs.

Oh Claremont, what you have done to this characters. :(

LOL I'M SO STUPID I FALL DOWN!!! TIME FOR MORTAL KOMBAT!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

NEX Nocturne ribbits when she has dream sex with Al and Juggs.

Oh Claremont, what you have done to this characters. :(



SHe's an Effin Skrull! that's the ONLY explaination....it can explain everything claremont

"psylocke is acting weird" "skrull"
"dazzler can fly" "skrull"
"storm is a lesbian"..."ummm normal"

[Novaya Havoc]

Totally shower. Nocturne was the SEX of Exiles. And now...the kid of NEX.

:( :( :( I miss sexy near naked Nocturne!

I miss fun, adventerous, brave Nocturne.

And Clayton Henry Nocturne. His is my FAVE!

[xmanson]

Is Nocturne hiding her tail in her ass?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

It retracts...she said so during Winnick's run when her and Blink were on the beach

Blink even said "ewww"

[Nachturne]

It retracts...she said so during Winnick's run when her and Blink were on the beach

Blink even said "ewww"

It is kinda gross. it was a retcon to explain that the artists weren't straight with tail or no tail. I wish they just ignored it and kept it off. But..meh.

[ImpulseUCF]

Bump!

So, man, was the TJ reunion with T-Bird, Blink and Morph botched in Die by the Sword an Exiles # 100. Reading only that, you'd never believe it was the same characters from Exiles # 16. I'm glad they're finally in limbo where CC can't hurt them any more, but it's bittersweet. :(

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Sigh. Double post.

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And triple.