OMG, Carey talks about Revanche!

[Flameworthy]

In his uncannyxmen.net interview Carey mentions Revanche!:eek:

Under-used or misused… we’ve been talking about Revanche on my blog lately, and about how the Kwannon saga has stuck to her like an all-over-body mud facial. I wouldn’t mind dusting her off and walking her around the block. Her being dead complicates matters a little, though.

If Carey ever brings Revanche back, he will be a God in my book.

[blinkinrogue]

i suggested in his blog to use Jamie, that'll work fer shur :D

[Hi-Fi]

I knew you'd love that, Flamey!! As did Faded!

And nice avatar, jessie!

[The Sword Is Drawn]

In his uncannyxmen.net interview Carey mentions Revanche!:eek:



If Carey ever brings Revanche back, he will be a God in my book.

Yeah, I'd like to see that. Very under-used character. I didn't entirely like the story when it was written, as it flatly contradicted Psylocke's body shop experience, but once she was on the team I saw an awful lot of potential.

Plus anything which could bring back Betsy's REAL body is good in my book.

[Beast]

There's already a thread about the interview...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=168360

[The Sword Is Drawn]

i suggested in his blog to use Jamie, that'll work fer shur :D

There's already a House of M route in. In the final confrontation with Wanda there is clearly a purple haired woman with a psychic knife in the two page battle shot. It's not Betsy, something the artist might not have known at th time, because she was in England with the future 'new' Excalibur. So it does plausible open the possibility that it could have been Kwannon.

[Hi-Fi]

Guys, let's post in his blog about Revanche. i just did. If he notices we'd like to have her back, he might as well do it:

http://mikecarey.net/?p=187#comments

[blinkinrogue]

thanks HF, im planning to use one where rogue flashes her sexy behind once superheroic is finished with it..... :D

Revanche was cute, i especially liked that issue when she died.... sobs....

[blinkinrogue]

thanks HF, im planning to use one where rogue flashes her sexy behind once superheroic is finished with it..... :D

Revanche was cute, i especially liked that issue when she died.... sobs.... i thought it was just flat out heroic with all those energies escaping her....

[The M.E.]

i delightfully accept the invitation to join the revanche fan club, looks like carey's on board too :)

[blinkinrogue]

oooopsss dont know what happened there i was going to write more stuff but... oh well.....

[Flameworthy]

There's already a thread about the interview...

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=168360

This thread is exclusively for the Revanche news.;)

I think this seriously just made my week. For Revanche to still be remembered and actually liked by a writer is just beyond amazing.

I definitely need to check up on Carey's blog more often.

[Faded]

I knew you'd be happy! <3

From the sound of things, he'd let her deviate from the Kwannon/Psylocke story and do her own thing--which should make fans and even many non-fans alike be happy.

[Kalen O.]

Well I never cared much about Revanche, but good for you guys! Hey, if Carey actually does do something with her, maybe there's still hope for Darkstar!

*goes back to hug early issues of Champions*

[Hi-Fi]

This thread is exclusively for the Revanche news.;)

I think this seriously just made my week. For Revanche to still be remembered and actually liked by a writer is just beyond amazing.

I definitely need to check up on Carey's blog more often.

It's not the first time Carey mentions her as a fave of his. He talked about her in his blog before.

This is the time, people. Go there and ask for her. Maybe he can feet her in the future. I asked for Lila Cheney and it looks like I've got her.;)

[blinkinrogue]

well since he cant have psylocke, i dont see any reason why he cant have revanche... maybe fabian does not approve?????

[Flameworthy]

I knew you'd be happy! <3

From the sound of things, he'd let her deviate from the Kwannon/Psylocke story and do her own thing--which should make fans and even many non-fans alike be happy.

That sounds great! She doesn't need to really be connected in any way, shape, or form to Psylocke.

It's not the first time Carey mentions her as a fave of his. He talked about her in his blog before.

This is the time, people. Go there and ask for her. Maybe he can feet her in the future. I asked for Lila Cheney and it looks like I've got her.;)

Did he actually say she was a favorite of his?

I just posted there! Hopefully he hears our calls.

well since he cant have psylocke, i dont see any reason why he cant have revanche... maybe fabian does not approve?????

I don't think the problem would be Fabian, it's be Editors. They better not stand in the way of Revanche's return. :mad:

[Beast]

I don't recall him ever saying she was a favorite of his. Just that posts on his blog have given him ideas for her. That doesn't mean he ever intends to bring her back. And given the editors, I doubt he'd really be allowed.

[blinkinrogue]

k ill post this too in mike's blog and hopefully our posts will somehow convince him to bring her back... there is a problem though, especially with psylocke's inevitable return to the 616 universe, and you know what happens to characters too similar to each other....


http://psylocke.club.fr/gallerie/divers/mtw11.jpg

[Faded]

Carey said something to the effect that he could probably get her if he wanted to. I'll have to find the quote, though.

[Flameworthy]

I don't recall him ever saying she was a favorite of his. Just that posts on his blog have given him ideas for her. That doesn't mean he ever intends to bring her back. And given the editors, I doubt he'd really be allowed.

pfft, You're just hating because you don't want her to return.

Oh, and thanks blinkinrogue! We can use all the support we can get. :D

btw, Where's that pic from?

[Faded]

LOL, Flame! Love the user title!

Anyway, here's the quote, dated March 8th.

I think I could have Revanche if I asked for her. I always liked her energy katana, and I’ve got a soft spot for her despite how involved and confusing that whole Revanche/Psylocke plotline became. But again, there are characters closer to the top of the list. I’d like to bring her in for a cameo at some point, though. She’s pretty cool.

[Flameworthy]

LOL, Flame! Love the user title!

Anyway, here's the quote, dated March 8th.

lol Thanks!

Wow, I would so love to see Carey explore her backstory some more. Like how she came into the service of Nyoirin, more of her past and her family, like is she really 100% Japanese with a name like Kwannon and a codename like Revanche? That should really be cleared up, but I'm getting ahead of myself.:o Even a cameo would be cool, because at least she'd be alive again.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

I mentioned here earlier, that if there is an "X4", that Braddock would return to her original body in the books. It could be a way to prepeare the comic book readers for her appearance in British-form the next film.

They movie writer, Penn, mistaken-ly wrote "asian-ninja Psylocke" as a member of The Brotherhood. Maybe, they just wanted to squeeze as many familiar mutants that they did not research into The Brotherhood for "X3". A mistake was made, but they could write-it-off as Revanche being in The Brotherhood.

I assume that at the beginnning of a possible "X4" that Storm and Wolverine would have already replaced Xavier and Jean Grey with another telepath. Cerebro was not used in "X3", but it will be used again. A telepath will be needed to operate it. Without a telepath, The X-Men would be vunerable to another super-telepath in the films: Emma Frost? Cassandra Nova? The Black Queen?

My guess is that this new telepath would be: British Psylocke or "Rachel Grey" (No need to bring Jean Grey back or replace Famke).

This new team would resemble Claremont's teams of the mid-to-late 80's:


Storm, Wolverine, Iceman, Shadowcat, Colossus, Rogue, "Rachel Grey"/Psylocke, Havok
(with Dazzler and maybe Polaris being added during the next film).

I'm leaning toward "Rachel Grey" though...One of the stroryline ideas that is being mentioned on another site is "Days of Future Past/Present."

[Flameworthy]

I would love to see Betsy back in her original body, and for Revanche to come back in her original body too (though I'll take her how I can get her).

I doubt we'll ever see Rachel in the X-Movies. Her story is just way to convulted and she would confuse a lot people who don't know her.

Oh, and Dazzler and Polaris being added to the next movie would be awesome. Kylie would need to play Dazzler for sure though.

[Mariah]

Wait...What? Mike Carey likes Revanche? *faints*

[Flameworthy]

Wait...What? Mike Carey likes Revanche? *faints*

It's true, it's true! I'm on cloud nine right now.

[Mariah]

I loved the story from when Revanche and Psylocke first face each other in the Danger Room. Can you say booyah sucka!

[Flameworthy]

I loved the story from when Revanche and Psylocke first face each other in the Danger Room. Can you say booyah sucka!

Me too! Psylocke got what she deserved for knifing Xavier's favorite, and for skanking all over her man. I was like, take that bitch!

[Mariah]

Me too! Psylocke got what she deserved for knifing Xavier's favorite, and for skanking all over her man. I was like, take that bitch!
YES!!! Especially the part where she cuts her head off! I was rolling on the floor with sinister glee!

[The Sword Is Drawn]

From a character interaction point of view I would very much like to see Captain Britain meet Revanche. He never did the first time around, and frankly I'm not sure how he would actually react to somebody else walking around in his Sister's body...:D

Something we never got to see in her original incarnation. She was such a wasted character. Died of Legacy far to soon.

[jarrod]

I would love to see Betsy back in her original body, and for Revanche to come back in her original body too (though I'll take her how I can get her).
That's the only way I'd want to see a return. I'd want Revanche tempered down to her pre-Psylocke power levels too (ie: low level telepathy/empathy)... basically, both ladies would need to be completely themselves. Any story would need to better explain the Body Shoppe process though, and probably involve Spiral (yay, Carey written Spiral!).



I doubt we'll ever see Rachel in the X-Movies. Her story is just way to convulted and she would confuse a lot people who don't know her.
I don't know if we'd see her as part of the team, but Rachel's backstory (being Jean and Scott's daughter, comes from an apocalyptic future where mutants are hunted by the government) isn't at all hard to understand. X4 being a DOFP based story would work pretty well actually... I could even see them bringing in Bishop as a bad guy maybe, conceptually replacing Ahab. Something along the lines of Rachel comes to the past to change the future, Bishop follows to stop her and ensure the future. Good stuff potentially.

[blinkinrogue]

so, though i mentioned this before, if carey wants them to be both alive and back to their original bodies, the easiest route is through Jamie.... :)

[Beast]

so, though i mentioned this before, if carey wants them to be both alive and back to their original bodies, the easiest route is through Jamie.... :)
Unfortunatly, Marvel won't allow Psylocke back in her original body.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Unfortunatly, Marvel won't allow Psylocke back in her original body.

As Claremont found out, not so long ago...

Still, if they're both alive and well in regular titles, the possibility for that to occur in the future is a lot greater. When maybe the editors have a rethink...

[Elegance Liberty]

Unfortunatly, Marvel won't allow Psylocke back in her original body.

That's a shame. Why not? =/

[The Sword Is Drawn]

That's a shame. Why not? =/

Put simply? Marketing. There's a lot of publicity out there and merchandise with Asian Psylocke on it. Marvel were not willing to let Psylocke be brought back in her British body when they'd spent a decade of merchandise in her Asian one...:(

[The M.E.]

Put simply? Marketing. There's a lot of publicity out there and merchandise with Asian Psylocke on it. Marvel were not willing to let Psylocke be brought back in her British body when they'd spent a decade of merchandise in her Asian one...:(

I wasn't aware of that :(. I think it would've been an interesting story. I loved Betsy more when she was in her original body.....maybe that's why i liked revanche so much :)

[Anna]

She did appear briefly in HOM....

[Beast]

She did appear briefly in HOM....
So did Pyro and a bunch of other more popular dead characters.

[Flameworthy]

YES!!! Especially the part where she cuts her head off! I was rolling on the floor with sinister glee!

Hahaha this is why you're so deliciously evil. :evilsmile

From a character interaction point of view I would very much like to see Captain Britain meet Revanche. He never did the first time around, and frankly I'm not sure how he would actually react to somebody else walking around in his Sister's body...:D

Something we never got to see in her original incarnation. She was such a wasted character. Died of Legacy far to soon.

That would be interesting, but I always had hoped that in the end they would have returned to their orignal bodies instead Revanche dying of the Legacy Virus. :(

That's the only way I'd want to see a return. I'd want Revanche tempered down to her pre-Psylocke power levels too (ie: low level telepathy/empathy)... basically, both ladies would need to be completely themselves. Any story would need to better explain the Body Shoppe process though, and probably involve Spiral (yay, Carey written Spiral!).


I wouldn't mind her returning to her original powers of low level telepathy/empathy. She doesn't need to be a super powerful psychic to be interesting. Carey did say he liked her psychic sword though.

Oh, and Carey writing Spiral would be the shit! Just keep Mojo far, far away.

[Faded]

So did Pyro and a bunch of other more popular dead characters.

We know, Beast. Popular, schmopular blah. You're going to have your Dark Beast, let us rejoice in at least the possibility of Revanche. ;)

[Beast]

We know, Beast. Popular, schmopular blah. You're going to have your Dark Beast, let us rejoice in at least the possibility of Revanche. ;)
Ok, but only if Dark Beast is dating Revanche. Just so he can rub it in Beast's face. ;) :D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Ok, but only if Dark Beast is dating Revanche. Just so he can rub it in Beast's face. ;) :D

Actually... is it perverse that I kind of like that idea?:eek: :D

[Kalen O.]

Proof! He only wanted her for her body after all!

[UncannyAsianGirl]

I kinda like that idea too... :o

Hey, there have been worse pairings out there. :p

Heh, it's the legion of Revanche fanatics!

Don't really know what to think about her, since I never had a proper introduction to the character. I have read her Spotlight On (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=78) entry at UXM.net though...

I suppose I wouldn't mind seeing more of her. Especially if Mike Carey's writing. :D

[Flameworthy]

I wanted to post this earlier but photobucket wasn't working.

This what me and Mariah were talking about before.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/Dragonwing21/X-Men/untitled-5.png

[Flameworthy]

Ok, but only if Dark Beast is dating Revanche. Just so he can rub it in Beast's face. ;) :D

Yeah, no thanks. Kwannon can do so much better, like Sunfire for instance.:D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yeah. We were genuinely intended to believe the Betsy we'd known since Acts of Vengeance was a fake.

[Beast]

Actually... is it perverse that I kind of like that idea?:eek: :D
Exactly. After all, Beast was attracted to Psylocke.

To have his twisted "Twin" involved with Psylocke's "Quasi-Twin". Evil. :evilsmile

Sounds like something Mike Carey could have a lot of twisted fun with. :D

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Yeah, no thanks. Kwannon can do so much better, like Sunfire for instance.:D
But I thought you liked Sunfire better with Rogue? Make up your mind. :p

[Flameworthy]

But I thought you liked Sunfire better with Rogue? Make up your mind. :p

lol They make a great team, but I don't think they'd work as a couple. Also, Shiro is too proud of his culture and country to ever be with someone who is not Japanese.

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Haha, I know; was just kidding with you. :D

They're both quite prideful individuals, and I really don't see two people like that really meshing well together anyway. :p

I like the evil twin/quasi twin pairing even better now, with the way Beast put it. I'd like to see the looks on their counterparts' faces when they find out. :evilsmile

[Hi-Fi]

Both Beasts are fond of Karima. Dark Beast was really into her (in a perverted way, of course) during Genoshan Excalibur.

[Beast]

Both Beasts are fond of Karima. Dark Beast was really into her (in a perverted way, of course) during Genoshan Excalibur.
He was more into her in a "I want to study how you work" sort of way at the start. ;)

Though I do love the scene between them when Doc's in the make-shift Genoshan Jail. :D

[Flameworthy]

I like the evil twin/quasi twin pairing even better now, with the way Beast put it. I'd like to see the looks on their counterparts' faces when they find out. :evilsmile

eww, Dark Beast is totally old, and a pedo. He wanted to get into Emma's pants when she was younger.

If Revanche is brought back, I'd rather not see her in a relationship for a while. I think it's going to take her sometime to get over what Matsuo did to her, and to regain that trust in men.

[Beast]

Sure he's old, even older than 616 Beast by a longshot, but he's not a pedo. Not to mention Emma was legal when they met. And he didn't want in her pants, he saved her from being attacked. :p

[Nyssane]

Oh, you know Dark Beast is totally a pedo.

[jarrod]

I think my problem with the whole "body swap" retcon is that it doesn't really hold up to past continuity (and not just the Acts of Vengeance origin). Basically asian Psylocke is suppossed to still look like Betsy, only with Asian features. Wolverine even recognised her in battle initially from appearance alone.

The out may be possibly that the Hand gave Kwannon to Spiral to use as the genetic code source for altering Betsy's racial DNA (and vice versa), meaning both ladies would be in their original bodies, would still look like themselves with different features, but would also resemble each other. No body swap, no "spliced persona" bullshit, but a logical explanation of why they look the way they do.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

You're just gutted that there could be a new Cum Ninja in town...:( :D

[Flameworthy]

I think my problem with the whole "body swap" retcon is that it doesn't really hold up to past continuity (and not just the Acts of Vengeance origin). Basically asian Psylocke is suppossed to still look like Betsy, only with Asian features. Wolverine even recognised her in battle initially from appearance alone.

The out may be possibly that the Hand gave Kwannon to Spiral to use as the genetic code source for altering Betsy's racial DNA (and vice versa), meaning both ladies would be in their original bodies, would still look like themselves with different features, but would also resemble each other. No body swap, no "spliced persona" bullshit, but a logical explanation of why they look the way they do.

Matsu'o wanted to transfer the mind of Kwannon, who had received brain damage in a fight between the two, into the body of Betsy who was found amnesiac. He called in Spiral to help, but wanting to please her master Mojo, decided instead to not only switch their minds but also twist their genetic coding. They now both had each other's traits. Neither woman was truly Kwannon or truly Betsy. That's why Betsy still somewhat resembled her old self in the Asian body.

Here's some more sexiness that is Revanche. She had a crazy perm going on in this issue, but she rocked it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/Dragonwing21/X-Men/untitled-6.png

[jarrod]

You're just gutted that there could be a new Cum Ninja in town...:( :D
If only Doug were still around for a tag team. :D


Matsu'o wanted to transfer the mind of Kwannon, who had received brain damage in a fight between the two, into the body of Betsy who was found amnesiac. He called in Spiral to help, but wanting to please her master Mojo, decided instead to not only switch their minds but also twist their genetic coding. They now both had each other's traits. Neither woman was truly Kwannon or truly Betsy. That's why Betsy still somewhat resembled her old self in the Asian body.
Yeah, it still never sat well with me though. Especially the "mixed traits" bit which always seemed to me like a cheap excuse for Lee/Nicezia/Lobdell's terrible characterization of Betsy at the time. Betsy was barely reconisable during that period, the only time she seemed herself was when Davis nabbed her for an Excalibur guest spot (during which Brian even remarked that Betsy's changes seemed only superficial). Thank god Claremont got her back.

Jamie's more or less recreated Betsy from the ground up though... so is she in her "real" body at this point then?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Here's some more sexiness that is Revanche. She had a crazy perm going on in this issue, but she rocked it.

Yeah, What happened there?

Kubert went away for a couple of issues and the fill in gave her a perm between issues...

[Matthew K.]

so, though i mentioned this before, if carey wants them to be both alive and back to their original bodies, the easiest route is through Jamie.... :)

that would rock

Unfortunatly, Marvel won't allow Psylocke back in her original body.

Marvel can be static at times...& way to erratic with the things that actually need to be static (i.e. Captain America...WTF? )

I like the evil twin/quasi twin pairing even better now, with the way Beast put it. I'd like to see the looks on their counterparts' faces when they find out. :evilsmile
I like it as well Beast. :)

[Beast]

Then I shall have to make my case to Mike Carey. :D

[Matthew K.]

Then I shall have to make my case to Mike Carey. :D

DB is a mad geneticist/sci guy so there could be route (for revival) through him...plus the story would be ultra-creepy


I'd rather see another purple haired mutant come back though ---> Catseye

[Flameworthy]

Jamie's more or less recreated Betsy from the ground up though... so is she in her "real" body at this point then?

My guess is probably so, since Claremont is the one who wrote that, and he despises Revanche.

Yeah, What happened there?

Kubert went away for a couple of issues and the fill in gave her a perm between issues...

lol I love Peterson's art though. His Revanche was HOT even with the perm. I know Psylocke had a perm going on for a short while during the Aussie years too.

[Dagger]

This thread is in need of revival with some HAWT Revanche action!!!
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/567/revanchegh4.png

[Karl H]

Is it wrong to say that I never really got Revanche... I really didn't mind her dying from the Legacy virus.

[Dagger]

Is it wrong to say that I never really got Revanche... I really didn't mind her dying from the Legacy virus.
Yes it is wrong! She is awesomeness! Your punishment is I'm going to sit on your face!;)

[Karl H]

Yes it is wrong! She is awesomeness! Your punishment is I'm going to sit on your face!;)

please don't fart...

[jarrod]

Um... I never got Revanche either. Yeah.

*opens wide*

[Dagger]

please don't fart...
Don't worry. You're in good hands!
Um... I never got Revanche either. Yeah.

*opens wide*
Who am I to not use all my assets to teach people the awesomeness of Revanche!
*grabs head and positions*

[Omega Alpha]

I never liked Revanche too...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I never liked Revanche too...

Yeah, but now we have to question if you have an ulterior motive... :rolleyes:

[Dagger]

I never liked Revanche too...
I should warn you, I'm a gay man!

[Omega Alpha]

Yeah, but now we have to question if you have an ulterior motive... :rolleyes:

I should warn you, I'm a gay man!

I've said i disliked Revanche many times already. However, i don't remember Jarrod and melonhead saying it too, you should be saying that to this two pervs:p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I've said i disliked Revanche many times already. However, i don't remember Jarrod and melonhead saying it too, you should be saying that to this two pervs:p

I wouldn't say I'm a perv, but I certainly never miss an opportunity for a cheap one liner. :D

[DDM]

Is it wrong to say that I never really got Revanche... I really didn't mind her dying from the Legacy virus.

Revanche/Kwannon was never meant to a full fledged developed character, but an explanation from the author who did not read Uncanny X-Men #256 which results in Psylocke's transformation from Anglo-Saxon to Asian to be the Hand's master assassin; Revanche is basically a deus ex machina. It is why Fabien Nincieza quickly introduced her then killed her off from the Legacy Virus.

Kwannon is not a true character. She's Betsy.

[Elias Bogan]

Did they ever address what happened to the armor after Revanche died?

[DDM]

Did they ever address what happened to the armor after Revanche died?

No. The editors seem clueless that Betsy's armor had mystical properties since they did not read the early Wolverine when he got the suit.

[Dagger]

Revanche/Kwannon was never meant to a full fledged developed character, but an explanation from the author who did not read Uncanny X-Men #256 which results in Psylocke's transformation from Anglo-Saxon to Asian to be the Hand's master assassin; Revanche is basically a deus ex machina. It is why Fabien Nincieza quickly introduced her then killed her off from the Legacy Virus.

Kwannon is not a true character. She's Betsy.
Whatev's dude. Quit hating on the awesomeness that is Revanche! She's a far more interesting dues ex machina than Sage ever will be no matter how many 'important' stories Claremont thrusts her into.

And she wasn't wearing the armor when she died, she had changed her costume by then!

[Domo Goddess]

I wouldn't mind seeing Revanche again.
I did like her death scene.

[Anna]

I'm getting my steel toed boots, and start kicking people in the slats.

[Tazirai]

How I missed this thread i'll never know, glad to find it. have to catch up on reading it now.

[DDM]

Whatev's dude. Quit hating on the awesomeness that is Revanche! She's a far more interesting dues ex machina than Sage ever will be no matter how many 'important' stories Claremont thrusts her into.

And she wasn't wearing the armor when she died, she had changed her costume by then!

Aside from Revanche's kiss when she dies, the reader really gets nothing substantial from the character; she is nothing more than a double of Betsy Braddock.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

No.




I figured that Revanche would return to give Betsy Braddock her british body back before any possible "X4". (Seeing as how the creators of "X3" failed to read character bios, and used her as a Brotherhood member--who was killed?). It was not Kwannon.

If "X4" is in its planning stages, its creators (writers, directors, producers) should read the character bios! They are all over the internet. Consult a writer!

[Dagger]

Aside from Revanche's kiss when she dies, the reader really gets nothing substantial from the character; she is nothing more than a double of Betsy Braddock.
Maybe you missed it. She was her own character. The scenes between her and Psylocke were ace. She evoked more passion and character in her few issues than Psylocke has in years. She was full of unrealized potential.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Maybe you missed it. She was her own character. The scenes between her and Psylocke were ace. She evoked more passion and character in her few issues than Psylocke has in years. She was full of unrealized potential.

Agreed. Especially after she had cut out Mojo's 'eyes' from her body, and wore that blindfold. She was developing as a character in her own right. It would have been very interesting to see where that might have gone.

[DDM]

Maybe you missed it. She was her own character. The scenes between her and Psylocke were ace. She evoked more passion and character in her few issues than Psylocke has in years. She was full of unrealized potential.

She's her own character (?), yet she is introduced in Betsy's original body. Supposedly, Psylocke has always been in Kwannon's body; however, even the reader can surmise this idea is just not well thought-out when reading Uncanny X-Men #256. Matsuo, in Uncanny X-Men #256 & afterwards with Fenris, never mentioned another woman when he got the Hand to brainwash & transform Psylocke into the Hand & the Mandarin's premiere assassin.

Matsuo is interested in power. Fenris & Matsuo were to become part of the new Hellfire Club.

Psylocke, even in her Asian body, still resembles Betsy Braddock. Wolverine recognizes Betsy in Uncanny X-Men #257. If Betsy was truly in another woman's body, Wolverine would never recognize Betsy at all.

Thus, the Kwannon story has too many plot holes to fill several tall buildings....
Kwannon is basically a double of Betsy Braddock. And this is just being generous given the facts. Kwannon is not & has never been her own character.

[DDM]

Agreed. Especially after she had cut out Mojo's 'eyes' from her body, and wore that blindfold. She was developing as a character in her own right. It would have been very interesting to see where that might have gone.

Removing the bionic eyes is just getting rid of another interesting story detail. How would she even know they are bionic? It does not make sense. Spiral certainly would not tell her. Why? Stupid writing...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Removing the bionic eyes is just getting rid of another interesting story detail. How would she even know they are bionic? It does not make sense. Spiral certainly would not tell her. Why? Stupid writing...

One would assume that it had come up in conversation with Psylocke.

Of course what would have been more interesting is what kind of stuff was actually being broadcast to Mojoworld during the time before Revanche arrived at the Mansion.

[DDM]

One would assume that it had come up in conversation with Psylocke.

Of course what would have been more interesting is what kind of stuff was actually being broadcast to Mojoworld during the time before Revanche arrived at the Mansion.

Mojo also would not let his pet Psylocke go so easily since the bionic eyes linked up to Mojo's soul & to Mojoworld itself. Therefore, another plot hole that is Kwannon exists...

[Dagger]

Re-reading Uncanny 256, it is not clear exactly what's going on with Psylocke and her own body transformation. She's being remade by the Hand, but it's also Spiral and Mojo, and she's facing her former teammates all in a huge dream. Her entire transformation seems like a dream sequence, so stating over and over again that it was clear is a exageration. Revanche was bringing full circle a plot that was left wide open for interpretation.

[IDX]

Just wondering if Kwannon's recent appearance in the Marvel Handbook signifies anything. I'm not too hopeful but then I'd assumed that Claremont had retconned her away so it's odd that Marvel should mention her again.

I was also wondering if Carey wanted to bring her back as he couldn't have Psylocke or because Psylocke isn't really a telepathic ninja anymore - maybe a resurrected Revanche would be easier to write as she has no history to speak of?

[worstblogever]

For all we know, Revanche is under the mask of Mutant Zero in Avengers:The Initiative.

[Novaya Havoc]

I hiiiighly doubt Revanche is Mutant Zero.

'Twould be cool, but nigh impossible.

[jarrod]

Revanche was bringing full circle a plot that was left wide open for interpretation.
It haphazardly and illogically nailed down a story that was open for interpretation maybe, but that in itself doesn't validate the mess. Nicezia even admitted the confusion on his part iirc, he wasn't really clairifying the story we had because the truth is he never read it entirely.

Not that it matters now though, as Jamie's remade Betsy whole ground up. Let the Revanche mistake stay dead and buried, better to concenrate on getting the real deal out of Claremont's clutches and back to relevancy.

[worstblogever]

I hiiiighly doubt Revanche is Mutant Zero.

'Twould be cool, but nigh impossible.

As impossible as any other comic book resurrection and random character appearance... but yeah, I doubt it too.

[Novaya Havoc]

As impossible as any other comic book resurrection and random character appearance... but yeah, I doubt it too.

Oh, don't you be snarky with me, comicbookguy! :p

I <3 me some Revanche, but I don't think there's a way in Hades she'll be brought back to just further muddle the Psylocke character. And besides -- Psylocke stole Revanche's katana. :(

[IDX]

I think they told Newsarama that Mutant Zero was not 'Kwannon/Psylocke.' Have to check that though...

Is it that Claremont keeps Betsy or that few writers other than Carey want her? I'm not sure how popular Psylocke is to write.

[jarrod]

Is it that Claremont keeps Betsy or that few writers other than Carey want her? I'm not sure how popular Psylocke is to write.
Carey's been vocal about wanting her, though if she were available I bet Cornell would scoop her up too. Claremont's got "dibs" though... Betsy was fairly popular in her heyday though, I'd imagine she's relatively "in demand" compared to other female X-Men.

[Novaya Havoc]

I think they told Newsarama that Mutant Zero was not 'Kwannon/Psylocke.' Have to check that though...

Is it that Claremont keeps Betsy or that few writers other than Carey want her? I'm not sure how popular Psylocke is to write.

Claremont lost Storm and Rogue -- kept Psylocke and Sage.

Certain characters are like MVPs and get traded. Naturally, Psylocke fans lost on the swap. Storm fans won.

[IDX]

I kind of like Besty in Exiles even though I didn't care for the last story arc as it was the FF again.

Did Carey say for what purpose he wanted either Psylocke or Revanche?

[Pach!]

Claremont lost Storm and Rogue -- kept Psylocke and Sage.

Certain characters are like MVPs and get traded. Naturally, Psylocke fans lost on the swap. Storm fans won.

The fact that Sage will be in a comic means that we all lost.

[jarrod]

Did Carey say for what purpose he wanted either Psylocke or Revanche?
He wanted Betsy for his original team concept (alongside Rogue, Sabretooth, Mystique, Iceman, Cannonball, etc) and he wanted her telepathic again I think. When he was denied her, he asked for Cable was given the okay.

[Novaya Havoc]

The fact that Sage will be in a comic means that we all lost.

:(

Help Us Obi One Kenobi -- You're Our Only Hope
http://www.basement24.com/galleries/starwars/2007/old-ben-kenobi.jpg

[IDX]

Thanks Jarrod :).

Sage isn't all bad. Mind you I like Revanche so what do I know?

I was trying to cook up a conspiracy theory - Carey wants Revanche; then says he can get her if he wants; then she appears in the Handbook - but I don't think there's much gas in it.

[Dagger]

Thanks Jarrod :).

Sage isn't all bad. Mind you I like Revanche so what do I know?

I was trying to cook up a conspiracy theory - Carey wants Revanche; then says he can get her if he wants; then she appears in the Handbook - but I don't think there's much gas in it.
Don't sell Revanche fans short! Look at this hotness1!!! I honestly love Revanche much more than Ninjwat Psylocke, but that's just me.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/567/revanchegh4.png

[IDX]

That was my wallpaper :). Arzeno should get a job with Marvel for that.

Ah I miss Revanche for her sarcasm. Whenever Matsu'o was spouting poetic guff Kwannon would flatline him with her realistic attitude (see their talk on photography). What Carey, who's very sharp on dialogue, could do with her....*drools*

[jarrod]

ZOMG... damn it Daggs, stop tempting me to the other side with that evil pic! :D

[Dagger]

ZOMG... damn it Daggs, stop tempting me to the other side with that evil pic! :D
Just think of the schmechz we could get with a Cornell written Revanche in Excalibur!!! You know you want it!!! smoochez;)

[pryde15]

Don't sell Revanche fans short! Look at this hotness1!!! I honestly love Revanche much more than Ninjwat Psylocke, but that's just me.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/567/revanchegh4.png

wow that is AMAZING! I have never heard of the artist before, but I definetly want to see more of their work.

[jarrod]

Just think of the schmechz we could get with a Cornell written Revanche in Excalibur!!! You know you want it!!! smoochez;)
Brahhhgggll!!11211!

Satan! You have no power over me!



....


well maybe a little. :(

[Dagger]

Brahhhgggll!!11211!

Satan! You have no power over me!



....


well maybe a little. :(
If we can't get british Betts back, might as well get her original body, and have Jamie mess around with her. Plus, just imagine Kwannon and Tink interacting! Oh, the hilarity!

[For the Good of X]

Re-reading Uncanny 256, it is not clear exactly what's going on with Psylocke and her own body transformation. She's being remade by the Hand, but it's also Spiral and Mojo, and she's facing her former teammates all in a huge dream. Her entire transformation seems like a dream sequence, so stating over and over again that it was clear is a exageration. Revanche was bringing full circle a plot that was left wide open for interpretation.

Matsuo discusses in UXM 256-258 that the Hand used magic as well as psi-brainwashing to 'transform' Betsy, hence her new Asian appearance. Spiral and Mojo were not in aid to the Hand - they were the parts of Betsy's 'dream sequence' brainwashing that represented the magic aspects of her makeover. That's why I never understood the Revanche storyline, as interesting an idea as it could have been. When I originally read the Lady Madarin trilogy waaaaaaaaaaay back in 1989 - God, I remember being so hyped about the Jim Lee art on those issues! - I found it very clear what had happened to Betsy, as well as why she nor Wolverine could trust themselves, only each other.



Not that it matters now though, as Jamie's remade Betsy whole ground up. Let the Revanche mistake stay dead and buried, better to concenrate on getting the real deal out of Claremont's clutches and back to relevancy.

Amen. I am not happy with what CC has done to one of his 'pets' the past few years. He needs to let Betsy go.

[Faded]

Since a lot of people wanted Cornell to take a failed project like Sage and give her a neat twist, maybe he can do the same with Revanche? I think that would be pretty awesome. Betsy has had dreams or something about Asian culture and historical landmarks IIRC in Uncanny X-Men, so maybe Kwannon would likewise feel a connection to Betsy's British roots.

I hiiiighly doubt Revanche is Mutant Zero.

'Twould be cool, but nigh impossible.

I know! Even Flan's convincing arguments couldn't get me to believe it.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

If we can't get british Betts back, might as well get her original body, and have Jamie mess around with her. Plus, just imagine Kwannon and Tink interacting! Oh, the hilarity!

It would definitely work.

[Matthew K.]

I miss Britihs body Betsy...or any good version of Betsy.

[Phil Hunn]

Since a lot of people wanted Cornell to take a failed project like Sage and give her a neat twist, maybe he can do the same with Revanche?

I'd love to see this, certainly. Although I can't see Joe Q greenlighting something that uses such a convoluted piece of continuity as a basis, even if the resultant story could be absolutely amazing :(

[Matthew K.]

Since a lot of people wanted Cornell to take a failed project like Sage and give her a neat twist, maybe he can do the same with Revanche?


a neat twist of the neck you mean

[Flâneur]

I think they told Newsarama that Mutant Zero was not 'Kwannon/Psylocke.' Have to check that though...
Please find it! Every elimination helps us in the search for Zero!

I know! Even Flan's convincing arguments couldn't get me to believe it.
So I was convincing but didn't convince you? :(

[IDX]

Quoting Dan Slott on Newsarama: 'Yes. In fact, you’ve seen Mutant Zero many, many, many, many times. Mutant Zero, outside of that costume, one – is not a guy – we’re not pulling a Ronin. She’s a chick. She’s a mutant chick who’s been cover-worthy many times. This is not some obscure-o mutant dusted off just for this arc. I know it’s me – and I know that I come with that baggage of pulling out obscure characters, but this isn’t She-Hulk - this is a big, huge Marvel Avengers book, and this is one of our big, huge secret characters. When that mask comes off, there will be a “whoa” among those reading it. People who don’t even follow comics regularly will know who it is.'
That's safely not Revanche.

Phil, didn't Carey say earlier in this thread that he was sure of getting Revanche if he asked?

[Flâneur]

Quoting Dan Slott on Newsarama: 'Yes. In fact, you’ve seen Mutant Zero many, many, many, many times. Mutant Zero, outside of that costume, one – is not a guy – we’re not pulling a Ronin. She’s a chick. She’s a mutant chick who’s been cover-worthy many times. This is not some obscure-o mutant dusted off just for this arc. I know it’s me – and I know that I come with that baggage of pulling out obscure characters, but this isn’t She-Hulk - this is a big, huge Marvel Avengers book, and this is one of our big, huge secret characters. When that mask comes off, there will be a “whoa” among those reading it. People who don’t even follow comics regularly will know who it is.'
That's safely not Revanche.

Well no, considering Revanche gets recognition as Psylocke ... plus all the REALLY REALLY big female names are taken - Jean, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Emma, Jubilee - so as a Psylocke double she has the most recognition as opposed to her being any other number of B thru Z listers. And considering the conditioning, Revanche could very well believe she is Psylocke. So I think she still should be considered.

[IDX]

Fair enough - I want Revanche back :). They could get over the continuity problems like this: 'Japanese assassin body-swapped with telepathic British mutant.' Makes it so simple to go on from there for a writer.

[jarrod]

I'm still thinking it's Firestar...

[Dagger]

I'm still thinking it's Firestar...
God, I hope not. Not that I'm against more Firestar, it's just making her a mute ninja is not good progression. SLOTT, JUST TELL US ALREADY! I hate suprises!!!:mad:

[Flâneur]

I'm still thinking it's Firestar...

Slott asked the X-Office for control of the character, so I'm not sure it can be her ... plus she's a known registered mutant and Mutant Zero isn't.

[IDX]

Personally, I think it would have to be someone really big - say Elektra who is known outside comics and has been replaced by a Skrull? Although not a mutant she was associated with Wolverine. Jean possibly.

[MartinRedmond]

WTH people like Revanche? This place is a madhouse.

[Dagger]

WTH people like Revanche? This place is a madhouse.
GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IDX]

I refer you to the picture Dagger shows all the time ;).

A lot of people who started comics around that time like Revanche. People love some telepathic/ninja action, especially as Betsy has moved away from that (but not lost the butt floss).

[Dagger]

I refer you to the picture Dagger shows all the time ;).

A lot of people who started comics around that time like Revanche. People love some telepathic/ninja action, especially as Betsy has moved away from that (but not lost the butt floss).
It's not that we don't care for Betsy because she doesn't do ninjastuff anymore, it's more the fact that she's been developed so lamely since after becoming a ninja, and even worse since her return from the dead.

[jarrod]

Slott asked the X-Office for control of the character, so I'm not sure it can be her ... plus she's a known registered mutant and Mutant Zero isn't.
Oh... well, who's really left then? All the X-Men were registered I thought as well?

Jean seems like the only other possibility then, as Kwannon isn't all that recognizable outside comics. Even Betsy proper didn't get much external mainstream recognition until she had the asian transformation (thanks Capcom!) so Betsy's old british bod is still pretty obscure by that standard even.

[Dagger]

Oh... well, who's really left then? All the X-Men were registered I thought as well?

Jean seems like the only other possibility then, as Kwannon isn't all that recognizable outside comics. Even Betsy proper didn't get much external mainstream recognition until she had the asian transformation (thanks Capcom!) so Betsy's old british bod is still pretty obscure by that standard even.
I love the fact that they made a Kwannon girl for that X-Men game for Game Cube.

[IDX]

Plus Revanche's design is cool. Lilac is the new black. And X-MEN 31-32. I hope she does come back soon.

[jarrod]

It's not that we don't care for Betsy because she doesn't do ninjastuff anymore, it's more the fact that she's been developed so lamely since after becoming a ninja, and even worse since her return from the dead.
Point of contention... but Betsy's been way better recently under Claremont than she was during the Homage/Lobdell/Nicezia 1990s imo. No question.

The character's at least halfway recognizable and totally salvageable now, and hasn't had any storylines near as damaging as the body swap or crimson dawn nonsense. I wish dearly that Claremont would let her go (to Carey or Cornell... or Ellis), but I also think the pretty decent work he did on her in Uncanny was much needed.

[Flâneur]

Oh... well, who's really left then? All the X-Men were registered I thought as well?
This is what's making it so hard to figure out who Mutant Zero is ... all of the big names are accounted for and everyone else is relatively obscure by the standards of the casual reader. =/

Unless it's Jubilee still being a mutant and hiding as a double agent in the New Warriors but she doesn't really fit the other criterion.

[Dagger]

Point of contention... but Betsy's been way better recently under Claremont than she was during the Homage/Lobdell/Nicezia 1990s imo. No question.

The character's at least halfway recognizable and totally salvageable now, and hasn't had any storylines near as damaging as the body swap or crimson dawn nonsense. I wish dearly that Claremont would let her go (to Carey or Cornell... or Ellis), but I also think the pretty decent work he did on her in Uncanny was much needed.
Not really. I mean, I didn't care for her at all during Revolution or X-Treme. She went from being shit to still being shit.

And pretty much any character is salvageable, it's just when people who aren't writing a character properly, or keep adding unneeded baggage that does more to harm the character than progress them is when we have problems. I will agree that he didn't do half that bad of a job with her in Uncanny after her resurrection, but his work with her in Exiles and Die by the Sword has not been good. It's been beyond crap. It's almost Crimson Dawn bad, imo.

[Novaya Havoc]

GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL <3 <3 <3

[Novaya Havoc]

Revanche is soooo not mutant zero. My money's on Firestar (visibility in Spidey and His Amazing Friends) or Typhoid Mary (hey, she was in the Elektra movie, right? Right?!).

[jarrod]

Not really. I mean, I didn't care for her at all during Revolution or X-Treme. She went from being shit to still being shit.
Uh, Revolution era Betsy was *still* awful... plus she had that hideos outfit. I love me some Art Adams but seriously, just don't let the man design the costumes, all the Rev looks were pure bad. Remember the New Mutie grad uniforms? :/


And pretty much any character is salvageable, it's just when people who aren't writing a character properly, or keep adding unneeded baggage that does more to harm the character than progress them is when we have problems. I will agree that he didn't do half that bad of a job with her in Uncanny after her resurrection, but his work with her in Exiles and Die by the Sword has not been good. It's been beyond crap. It's almost Crimson Dawn bad, imo.
I've gleefully avoided Exiles, so I'm living in blissful ignorance of things at the moment... in my head, Betsy's just on extended vacation getting wasted and flashing her crotch in some tropical locale with Sage. :)

Betsy in Uncanny was great though, for the first time since the 1980s probably. The Savage Land, HOM and EOG (work that towel B*tch!) arcs especially. She was even good in First Forsaken, and that was a clusterfuck of a story (and mostly not even Claremont's clusterfuck... for once). This was the Betsy we knew and loved, a bit different sure, but it at least finally felt like Betsy. Which I honestly can't say about the character in the decade preceding (barring a few quick Excalibur cameos under Davis/Ellis).

[Dagger]

LOL <3 <3 <3
LOL. Your posts inspired me!
Revanche is soooo not mutant zero. My money's on Firestar (visibility in Spidey and His Amazing Friends) or Typhoid Mary (hey, she was in the Elektra movie, right? Right?!).
Wrong Typhoid in Elektra.

[Flâneur]

Revanche is soooo not mutant zero. My money's on Firestar (visibility in Spidey and His Amazing Friends) or Typhoid Mary (hey, she was in the Elektra movie, right? Right?!).

Neither were in the X-Office, so I doubt it. Typhoid also hasn't been confirmed as being a mutant.

[Novaya Havoc]

Neither were in the X-Office, so I doubt it. Typhoid also hasn't been confirmed as being a mutant.

Wikipedia told me she was. :(

Oh well. I attempted. I'll now just say it's Jean Grey.

[Dagger]

Uh, Revolution era Betsy was *still* awful... plus she had that hideos outfit. I love me some Art Adams but seriously, just don't let the man design the costumes, all the Rev looks were pure bad. Remember the New Mutie grad uniforms? :/
OH GOD!!! A. Adams designed those crappy costumes?? He needs a hot poker shoved up his rectum! That's bad!


I've gleefully avoided Exiles, so I'm living in blissful ignorance of things at the moment... in my head, Betsy's just on extended vacation getting wasted and flashing her crotch in some tropical locale with Sage. :)

Betsy in Uncanny was great though, for the first time since the 1980s probably. The Savage Land, HOM and EOG (work that towel B*tch!) arcs especially. She was even good in First Forsaken, and that was a clusterfuck of a story (and mostly not even Claremont's clusterfuck... for once). This was the Betsy we knew and loved, a bit different sure, but it at least finally felt like Betsy. Which I honestly can't say about the character in the decade preceding (barring a few quick Excalibur cameos under Davis/Ellis).
I picked up the first arc of Exiles and I thumb through it on the shelves and have the first issue of DBTS, and trust me, you're doing yourself a favor by avoiding these.

She was pretty good, I'll admit. Although, I didn't care for anyone in the FF storyline. It just felt cramped, and badly written. HOM was probably my favorite depiction of her, and had me excited that he might get a character right, but that didn't last. And don't forget about Psi-War with her under Kelly! Was awesomeness cubed!

[Dagger]

Wikipedia told me she was. :(

Oh well. I attempted. I'll now just say it's Jean Grey.
Valiant effort. And I love your avvie from the GN! My fave Dazz story for like EVER!

[Flâneur]

Wikipedia told me she was. :(

Oh well. I attempted. I'll now just say it's Jean Grey.

<3 for attempting. And it'd seriously suck if it were Jean. :(

[jarrod]

Oh yeah, Psi-War was pretty good too actually... lovely art from German Garcia didn't hurt either. What happened to him btw?

I found it funny too that Kelly claimed not really "getting" Betsy's character when he handled her soooooo well. Man, I wish we could get him back on the books... a Kelly+Carey+Ellis+PAD+C&C+Cornell lineup would be like heaven for the X-books.

[Dagger]

YES PLEASE! That would be sooo awesome! We'd have to get Seagle back on Alpha Flight. Man, did I love that run on the book!

I think German had a little problem keeping up with deadlines. I think that's what someone said on here, at least.

[Novaya Havoc]

Valiant effort. And I love your avvie from the GN! My fave Dazz story for like EVER!

Right? It's SOOOO GOOD!

I just love this panel. The only panel that is on par is when you see some old biz dude in the foreground of a Dazz splash page going "check out her bazooms!"

Classic. Like, tear in my eye Norman Rockwell painting classic.

[Dagger]

Right? It's SOOOO GOOD!

I just love this panel. The only panel that is on par is when you see some old biz dude in the foreground of a Dazz splash page going "check out her bazooms!"

Classic. Like, tear in my eye Norman Rockwell painting classic.
LOL. I love how pervy Frank Springer was. He had sooo many cheesecake shots in his run, and in the GN! Frank Cho eat your hear out:p

[IDX]

I kind of liked the first arc of EXILES but I haven't read any others after it; have things gone bad?

I like Psylocke's Rev. costume - it. had. trousers! It wasn't the 'camel toe' costume and it made a change.

[MartinRedmond]

Wasn't Revanche like the 3rd clone Nicieza created? First Cable had a clone named Stryfe. Then Domino was really a clone named Vanessa who was cloned by some other chick that Deadpool murdered. And then Pyslocke turned out to be a clone.

Classics of litterature.

[MartinRedmond]

LOL <3 <3 <3
What the hell are those symbols? Are you rewarding him with butt secks or something? I guess I'd better leave.

[Swashbuckler]

Domino wasn't cloned, she was inpersonated by a shapeshifter named Copycat (aka Vanessa)

[Anna]

WTH people like Revanche? This place is a madhouse.


Beeyotch!!!! Kicks Martin in the slats....

[Faded]

TYPHOID MARY WHOOO!?!??!

JK I know who she is, though I don't really see the clues matching up to her.

[Novaya Havoc]

TYPHOID MARY WHOOO!?!??!

JK I know who she is, though I don't really see the clues matching up to her.

Just freeballing. I was trying to pick a mutant kind-of outside of the X-Canon who has some exposure. All I can think of are Firestar and Typhoid -- otherwise, Jean Grey.

[Faded]

Just freeballing. I was trying to pick a mutant kind-of outside of the X-Canon who has some exposure. All I can think of are Firestar and Typhoid -- otherwise, Jean Grey.

I kinda feel like Jean Grey is the only option. Everyone else who is recognizable was part of the 198 (which is why there was so much hubalub about Decimation).

Dani Moonstar would be a stretch, but would work too.

[Novaya Havoc]

Dani Moonstar would be a stretch, but would work too.

Pssh... even I don't know who Dani Moonstar is.

Perhaps Mutant Zero is...

Lois London?!

[worstblogever]

Pssh... even I don't know who Dani Moonstar is.

Perhaps Mutant Zero is...

Lois London?!

I know you're kidding about Moonstar. You must be. Please say yes?

[SYBERNYMPH]

I Would Love If They Brought Back Copycat And Bring Back Lifeguard And Threnody And Outlaw Too <33

[creaky]

Someone somewhere mentioned Aurora as a candidate for Mutant Zero. How about it?

[Anna]

Someone somewhere mentioned Aurora as a candidate for Mutant Zero. How about it?

Nope. Aurora's listed as one of the 198.

[Monty_Cristo]

dammit! and he still hasn't mentioned Shortpack!! wtf did Revanche ever do for comics!

Someone somewhere mentioned Aurora as a candidate for Mutant Zero. How about it?

works for me. but where is Northstar?

[creaky]

So, has it been revealed when we will actually find out who Mutant Zero is?

[Dagger]

Wasn't Revanche like the 3rd clone Nicieza created? First Cable had a clone named Stryfe. Then Domino was really a clone named Vanessa who was cloned by some other chick that Deadpool murdered. And then Pyslocke turned out to be a clone.

Classics of litterature.
Cable and Stryfe were editorial, Vanessa was a shape-shifter, and Psylocke and Revanche switched bodies.

[CmX]

It would be neat if Kwannon turned out to be Mutant Zero, but I doubt it.

[Flâneur]

So, has it been revealed when we will actually find out who Mutant Zero is?

Nope. :(

I'm beginning to feel like the reveal won't be that exciting anymore, since it pretty much has to be someone who's has been considered already.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

It would be neat if Kwannon turned out to be Mutant Zero, but I doubt it.
It would be neat, but I doubt theyd make such a big deal about her. Theres only a handfull of people who liked her, including me. If they did reveal it was her, thatd be a cool gesture on Marvels part.

[jarrod]

Dani Moonstar's not a mutant anymore. She's also smarter, younger, better looking, more respected and more talented than Dazzler. <3 <3


Cable and Stryfe were editorial, Vanessa was a shape-shifter, and Psylocke and Revanche switched bodies.
Cable and Stryfe were Liefield actually... and he intended for Cable to be the clone. Then Lee/Harras decided to make Cable into Nathan Summers, the original Nathan Summers, and retconned Stryfe into the disposable, chliched clone. :/

[Monty_Cristo]

Dani Moonstar's not a mutant anymore. She's also smarter, younger, better looking, more respected and more talented than Dazzler. <3 <3

she's Amy Winehouse??! :confused:



j/k