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SUPERECWFAN1
03-19-2007, 09:14 PM
News..


The Daytona News Journal and local Orlando media are all reporting today that WrestleMania 24 will take place in Orlando, FL with a press conference scheduled to announce the details at 10:30AM on Wednesday at the Orlando City Hall Rotunda. WrestleMania itself will take place at the Amway Arena.

- The latest on Brock Lesnar is that he might make his MMA debut on 6/2 in Los Angeles for K-1 offshoot HERO'S. Lesnar has been training for months and may fight 7 foot 2 inch South Korean fighter Hong Man Choi.

- Mick Foley's The Hardcore Diaries debuted at #7 on the New York Times non-fiction bestseller list. That is the strongest debut for a WWE book in several years.

- Model Christine LeMaster has stated on her MySpace page that she does not plan to sign a developmental deal with WWE. She tried out in Deep South Wrestling last week. Below is her statement.

"I hate to dissapoint (sic), but it does not appear to be in my best interests personally and professionally with my current situation. Everybody at WWE has been absolutely wonderful and the organization as a whole is an amazing company which has done nothing but treat me with respect and professionalism. I hope to continue to work with WWE and keep an ongoing relationship with them for the future."

Credit: PWInsider.com

The Good

The show opens with the Wrestlemania Reversal challenge. That Benoit vs Cena and HBK vs JBL will happen. Up first is JBL/HBK as it takes JBL time to pull up in his limo. He however isn't coming outta retirement ( thank god) and is there to shoot all over Shawn. And man ohhh man is he on fire. Calling HBK a shell of himself and that he's setting himself up for failure against Cena. That he has no HEART anymore. That finding GOD has made him suck.

Shawn finally gets the mic after this promo and claims that no mind game maybe the greatest trick of all. Of course thats true if your in competitive checker tournaments ! He then superkicks JBL to end this pretty solid opening.

Backstage Edge gets informed by Randy Orton that due to the failure to take out Lashley , his spot in MIB III is wide open. Orton gets in Edge's face for selling him out to McMahon last week & Lashley as well. Edge isn't happy as now he has to fight it out in a battle royal later to regain his spot in this.

We see an Ashley promo. At 1st I'm looking at her mouth wondering how she caught herpes so bad. Then I realize its her lip piercings. I wonder if its wrong to wonder what else is pierced ?

This was a nice tribute to Arnold Skaaland. Sadly once Hulkamania arrived Skaaland was never seen hardly ever again on TV. Vince and others talk about him and put over what a good person he was. Nice...

In ring we get the quickest , most serious rebuild of a man's challenge possible. Now Chris Masters " Masterlock Challenge " has been rebuilt in quick fashion. The hold hasn't been broke in 2 years again (Ron Simmons and That Army guy in Iraq be damned) .

They put how its never been broke and finally bring out Lashley in a wise fashion to destroy this move. Its a great stroke of booking and something they should have had Lashley do last year before Masters became such a joke. But it helps Lashley to look impressive against a loser and fans consider Masters a joke so....ya can't fault them for trying. They have 2 more weeks to make Lashley not get booed at Wrestlemania 23. So pullin out all the stops is what your gonna see.

Backstage Vince orders Lashley from the arena. Bobby just smirks at him. Then poor Eugene runs into him spilling iced tea on him as Eugene's even had a retcon happen. This time his abrupt heel turn has been forgotten and he's back to loveable happy Eugene ! McMahon orders Umaga to destroy Eugene and then Ron Simmons walks up and debates saying his catchphrase as Vince doesn't wanna hear it. Simmons whole facial reactions sell it as he finally says it half heartedly.

Now its time for the Battle Royal. It features WGT , Super Crazy , Viceria , Val Venis , Johnny Nitro , Carlito Cool , Kenny Dykstra and Ric Flair. Edge fakes an obvious knee injury as everyone does all the hard work. Its fun to watch as Edge stays on the floor getting treatment.

By order of importance to WWE these guys get elminated. Dysktra and Nitro are the last 2 heels left and finally Carlito dumps Johnny Nitro to face Flair. And Ric finally tosses the punk over. At this point I gotta wonder how the Flair program helped Carlito at all ?

Flair celebrates thinking he won til that evil bastard Edge sneaks in and steals it back. Your so awesome evil Edge. Could you , ya know try and spit in Shawn Micheals water to make him a good heel again ?

Eugene faces Umaga as it quickly becomes a squash for Umaga as usual. Post match since Dinsmore is obviously gonna come back repackaged ( god I hope not to New ECW) he gets his long hair cut and all. Ya know this made perfect since to do with Jeff Hardy but Jeff's so scared to lose his raver gimmick and young girls tossin their panties at him he won't risk it. ( a heel turn and all could help him long term )

Candace Michelle comes out and uses some of the real heat she's having backstage with Melina. You can see that underneath the promo the 2 really just wanna beat each others asses . Candace really roasts Melina saying she's sleeping with guys backstage. Of course she is , she's seeing Nitro . This was a great way to use some of the heat the 2 are having backstage and the WWE tries to transfer it to the main program for Melina , so Candace as they fear won't distract from the program they wanna run.

The 2 have a very hard hair pulling bra & panties match as Melina finally wins. Ashley comes out looking like she's been out late partying as a groupie. She ends up strippin Melina and as Khali comes out , looking for payback. I believe Ashley may have gave him herpes as well. Or wouldn't put out and thats the worse thing ya can do to a 7-2 monster. She ends up almost chokeslammed til Jerry Lawler makes the save and gets destroyed by an angry , sexually frustrated Khali GRRRWAAAAGAAAGGGG!!!!

This week Randy Orton gets a singles match against Jeff Hardy. This should judge whether he was a good enough heel after the heatless match on ECW. Unlike last week the heat for Hardy remains thru the whole match. Fans boo Randy as the 2 are given less time and Randy sells the usual Hardy offense.

It was a good match for Orton if they wanted to keep him heel. The fans stayed behind Hardy the entire way and at the end Edge throws a ladder into the ring as Orton uses it to get DQ'd and has words with Edge , leaving Jeff to beat his ass and drop an over the ladder leg drop. That evil bastard Edge smiles knowing that was his plan the whole way.

Next week as we watch Vince McMahon makes Bobby Lashley vs ...Vince McMahon on RAW. This will be the continued sell job to get Lashley over enough for Wrestlemania. Thats the key...if he has an Orton type match he's screwed. Thats gonna be a very vocal angry crowd and Stone Cold is standing there.

Shawn Micheals ends up coming down for commentary for the Benoit/Cena match. The fact Batista isn't here is because he frankly sucks and odds are would get winded coming to the ring at his rate.

The fans are pretty hot for Cena as Benoit's in the ZONE ! Beating Cena down and then using those skills to kick ass. The fans keep going for Cena as he has to rally back after taking a long sharpshooter from Benoit. His back is hurt and then reverses outta Benoit's submission to make Benoit tap to the STFU.

HBK gets in the ring and teases Cena with sweet chin music. Then Cena teases an F-U as they both are playing f-cking games as JBL finally comes back out after waking up and lays down next weeks challenge. Taker/Batista vs HBK/Cena . Then Taker's music goes off.

The Bad
The Condemned is really that story-arc from Ultimate X-Men pretty much. Or that old 90's movie starring Ice-T where the rich hunters took his poor outta work ass on a hunting trip and he was the hunted. Just mic the Ultimate X-Men plot and you get this movie. At least it looks better visually than The Marine. I may even go see it !

This company seems hellbent on tossing good money PPV programs away. By GOD is this the most ignorant f-cked up thinking you can do .Yes let Cena go over Benoit. But the man rarely damn taps and hasn't since he's been in the WWE last I saw ( i believe he tapped to Kurt Angle on a PPV in 2003/2004 last I saw) . They are gonna logically have Benoit on RAW soon and the 1st night he shows up he taps to Cena. There isn't a point in doing a fued now. They just blew f-cking money on a submissions match at a PPV with this if they did turn Benoit heel to face Cena on a PPV.

OVERALL: ***1/2 Outta 5. The battle royal , Edge/Orton stuff , Orton/Hardy and the Benoit/Cena matches stole the show. It was a pretty damn good RAW. I just wish someone would have thought " Hey we best not make Benoit tap to Cena yet...he can do this on a PPV and help us make money ! "

DaveEB
03-19-2007, 09:58 PM
So very predictable...Glad they had IFL on for the first half...the rest...yawn...

Royal
03-19-2007, 10:13 PM
So very predictable...Glad they had IFL on for the first half...the rest...yawn...

How was that, btw?

Did it have a "bloodsport" edge to it?

Legato
03-19-2007, 10:21 PM
The Condemned looked like a poor attempt to make an american version of Battle Royale.

Since I practically saw how that ending of the main event coming Im not too roken up about it. The only way WM can save face is if the winner of the MITB challenges whoever wins the Cena/HBK match and walks out of WM with The Title.

BoosterBronze
03-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Wow... this has to be a record. I went from wanting to watch RAW and hurryign home, to not giving a crap about it in less than ten minutes.

Royal
03-19-2007, 10:29 PM
News..
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- The latest on Brock Lesnar is that he might make his MMA debut on 6/2 in Los Angeles for K-1 offshoot HERO'S. Lesnar has been training for months and may fight 7 foot 2 inch South Korean fighter Hong Man Choi.



If Armando Garcia allows it. If the AC can suspend a fighter for "not taking a fight seriously" while calling a cartwheel pass and a body triangle "fake moves", he's definitly not going to sanction this match.

marshal99
03-19-2007, 10:34 PM
The Condemned looked like a poor attempt to make an american version of Battle Royale.

Since I practically saw how that ending of the main event coming Im not too roken up about it. The only way WM can save face is if the winner of the MITB challenges whoever wins the Cena/HBK match and walks out of WM with The Title.

There have been many many movies with similiar themes. It doesn't have to be Battle Royale , former MMA champ and fellow baldy , Bas Rutten had a movie "The eliminator" that is pretty similar as well.
I'm a sucker for these type of movies though and i'll be interested in watching it.

DaveEB
03-19-2007, 10:43 PM
How was that, btw?

Did it have a "bloodsport" edge to it?

Mmm...not really. UFC in a ring. Like any other MMA but with teams...Too bad the whole team doesn't fight at once...that would be INSANE!

Royal
03-19-2007, 10:49 PM
Mmm...not really. UFC in a ring. Like any other MMA but with teams...Too bad the whole team doesn't fight at once...that would be INSANE!

I know about it. Reason I asked was that last monday, it caught hell from the community because the production made it bloodsport-like. I'm just wondering if it softened a bit.

Legato
03-19-2007, 10:55 PM
There have been many many movies with similiar themes. It doesn't have to be Battle Royale , former MMA champ and fellow baldy , Bas Rutten had a movie "The eliminator" that is pretty similar as well.
I'm a sucker for these type of movies though and i'll be interested in watching it.

I may buy it on DVD if the word of the mouth is good but it will take a whole lot of convincing to get me to go see it at a movie theater.

DaveEB
03-19-2007, 10:57 PM
I know about it. Reason I asked was that last monday, it caught hell from the community because the production made it bloodsport-like. I'm just wondering if it softened a bit.

I didn't catch that vibe...But then I didn't pay THAT much attention to it...they had "commentaries" before commercials and after fights and such... S'got the same vibe as Bodogfights...not sure if that's bad or good...I don't mind watching it over Raw...

sgt.candy
03-19-2007, 11:13 PM
yea jbl sucks on raw too!

marshal99
03-19-2007, 11:28 PM
Ah , i forgot , Sgt. Candy hates JBL with a passion. Haha !

JBL , JBL , JBL ....you know you loves him deep down. ;)

Tages
03-19-2007, 11:37 PM
I don't remember Benoit tapping to anyone before tonight besides Angle.

I also don't remember Angle tapping to anyone except Benoit.

I thought that was their "thing," kind of like "No one dodges Bullseye except Daredevil, no one tags Daredevil except Bullseye."

sgt.candy
03-20-2007, 01:27 AM
Ah , i forgot , Sgt. Candy hates JBL with a passion. Haha !

JBL , JBL , JBL ....you know you loves him deep down. ;)

nah, you seem to be all over him like you were beecher and hes schillinger. keep em

Erik Lehnsherr
03-20-2007, 06:31 AM
JBL>Michaels on the mic. He punked that guy out all night long. He added more heat to a the Michaels/Cena match than the two wrestlers did all during the build up with the fake teasing.

But that's not what really mattered last night. They had Chris Benoit..a guy that never taps out akin to the Undertaker...lose clean to John Cena. But not just lose clean to the sloppy WWE Champion, they had him lose by tapping out to a fake version of the Regal Stretch. I shook my head when I watched the match this morning. Benoit worked his ass off, as usual..was crisp, was on point, and then the Superman shoulderblocks, fake People's Elbow, and a sad excuse for a STF winning the match. Disgusting isn't even the proper term.

As for Edge and Orton? Apparently they are keeping Edge in control of the feud so they can give Orton the big payoff at WM to continue his overpush unless there's a swerve and they give it to Kennedy instead.

Khali vs Kane will probably be the worst match of the night at WM unless Ashley/Melina take that mantle away from them.

It was good to see Candice back tonight. It's never good not to see Mickie or Victoria though.

And Lashley just officially sent Masters back to OVW and I thank him for that. F Chris Masters.

Scott Evil
03-20-2007, 09:12 AM
I was dead tired coming home last night, and just flipped over to the opening of RAW to see if it was worth it. And if shows are to be judged by its first 10 minutes; this show would've been AWESOME. No offense to the Sarge, but I've got some serious MAN-LOVE for JBL.

He tore into HBK like no other, had the crowd clearly against him within in two minutes, and he had no qualms calling everyone out in a matter of minutes. He might have not been the "Wrestling God" he touted himself to be, but he is definitely my "Mic God" Its just unfortunate that the rest of the show couldn't pick up the momentum of the awesome opening promo.

Is it so weird of me to think that a JBL/Edge duo would rock my socks and outpromo HBK/Cena/HHH on any night? Hmmm... a fan can dream..

Scott Evil
03-20-2007, 09:26 AM
But that's not what really mattered last night. They had Chris Benoit..a guy that never taps out akin to the Undertaker...lose clean to John Cena. But not just lose clean to the sloppy WWE Champion, they had him lose by tapping out to a fake version of the Regal Stretch. I shook my head when I watched the match this morning. Benoit worked his ass off, as usual..was crisp, was on point, and then the Superman shoulderblocks, fake People's Elbow, and a sad excuse for a STF winning the match. Disgusting isn't even the proper term.

What. The. F.

I slept through the main event dreading the worst for my Canadian Love-Master Benoit. And apparently its true. Its not enough for the ENTIRE RAW tag division to fall to this guy(s), but you get your most talented technical wrestler on ALL THREE brands to tap the ugliest, simplest, and most contrived submission? To the guy who's only accomplishment is getting Trips to tap!?!? GAH!!! I was about to say that the lack of Cena during the show was a good thing, but to just come out and jack the (Hart) Dungeon Master? Stupid Ruthless Aggression.

Might as well bury the cruiserweights by having Cena do a 450/SSP/Swanton/Spinal-tap from the top of a ladder to ALL the cruisers. I'm sure Cena's not to blame (entirely), since he's just a yes-man doing what booking says is good for the biz, but c'mon! This Cena BJ has gone on long enough, I'm choking here man. Isn't there a better way to book this? Without making the rest of the roster (and other brands) look like chumps?

Try a LITTLE harder guys, please?

clayholio
03-20-2007, 11:29 AM
I didn't much care for Benoit tapping to Cena, but two weeks before Wrestlemania, you know all the guys with top matches aren't going to lose (unless their WM opponent is somehow involved). I wasn't surprised by the result, but the timing of the match is a little curious. Benoit vs. Cena could be a big feud at some point, but now they're definitely going to have to wait a while before they could do it.

JBL was awesome, and I'm still loving the teasing of the dissention between Cena and HBK.

The second hour of Raw was much, much better than the first. I don't always mind the big 20 minute opening promo to start a show, but it needs to be immediately followed up with some wrestling. Unfortunately, it took about half an hour before there was even one match. It took a while for me to get into the show because of that.

Jamal
03-20-2007, 01:12 PM
Might as well bury the cruiserweights by having Cena do a 450/SSP/Swanton/Spinal-tap from the top of a ladder to ALL the cruisers. I'm sure Cena's not to blame (entirely), since he's just a yes-man doing what booking says is good for the biz, but c'mon! This Cena BJ has gone on long enough, I'm choking here man. Isn't there a better way to book this? Without making the rest of the roster (and other brands) look like chumps?

Your giving the E to much credit, all Cena has to do is a Terry Funk Style backflip off the top rope to bury the cruiserweights:evilangry.

I could have lived with Benoit getting FU'D but tapping out to that half ass stf?:rolleyes:. My favorite wrestler tapping to that weak ass sh!t:evilangry Thank god for The Black Donnelly, I can't wait till Heroes comes back on.

Scott Evil
03-20-2007, 01:35 PM
Your giving the E to much credit, all Cena has to do is a Terry Funk Style backflip off the top rope to bury the cruiserweights:evilangry.

I could have lived with Benoit getting FU'D but tapping out to that half ass stf?:rolleyes:. My favorite wrestler tapping to that weak ass sh!t:evilangry Thank god for The Black Donnelly, I can't wait till Heroes comes back on.

Yup, you're right. That's giving him waaaay too much credit. I honestly hope nobody thinks that I'm bashing Cena (seriously), but its just that booking this thing so far has been SO dumb that it blows the mind. Its like if the new Atom out-smarted Mr. Terrific. Granted Mr. Terrific isn't #1, but he's still up there, and it'd be more damaging for the entire DCU in the long run (loss of credibility, waste of a great buildup for Terrific) just to push their newest project. Just like most criticisms for any 'creative' influenced product; its the minds (or lack thereof) that steers the product.

Seriously, Heroes can't start soon enough.

Jared
03-20-2007, 03:48 PM
Did Benoit ever tap to the Rock? I remember back when they were feuding Rock would pull out a sharpshooter and even the crossface.

lboinyamouf4sho
03-21-2007, 03:13 AM
Candace Michelle comes out and uses some of the real heat she's having backstage with Melina. You can see that underneath the promo the 2 really just wanna beat each others asses . This was a great way to use some of the heat the 2 are having backstage and the WWE tries to transfer it to the main program for Melina , so Candace as they fear won't distract from the program they wanna run.

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hahaha, it's real heat to me damn it!!:D

I know about it. Reason I asked was that last monday, it caught hell from the community because the production made it bloodsport-like. I'm just wondering if it softened a bit..

it was OK, with all the simple guillatines and RNC's for wins i got the idea these guys aren't top level.

Gary Joyce
03-21-2007, 03:39 AM
Did Benoit ever tap to the Rock? I remember back when they were feuding Rock would pull out a sharpshooter and even the crossface.


I seem to remember Benoit tapping to the Rock could be wrong though.

Erik Lehnsherr
03-21-2007, 06:50 AM
During the Rock/Benot feud in 2000, The Rock snapped on Benoit and put him in a Crippler Crossface but Raw went off before it showed Benoit tapping out. I don't think it ever made it to television. Angle and Bret Hart are the only ones I can think of that has made Chris Benoit tap out in mainstream matches but now Super Cena is to be added to the list.

Scott Evil
03-21-2007, 10:26 AM
...Angle and Bret Hart are the only ones I can think of that has made Chris Benoit tap out in mainstream matches but now Super Cena is to be added to the list.

To quote your sig: John Cena is a JOKE.

How is someone touted as a "Ground and Pound" w/ an "Unorthodoxed Style" make a submission expert tap out? Cena (even WITH his STFU win against HHH) has never shown off his submission skills. Where was the psychology? The drama? How did Cena work the neck? Benoit's ENTIRE schtick is that is that he can make ANYONE tap out, may it be w/ the crossface or the 'shooter. And what's Cena done lately? He out-'hardcored' the local monster and decimated the Tag division by his lonesome. No build at all.

(IMO) This didn't make Cena look better or more 'technically sound', it just makes Benoit look like a loser. I swear its like the Sentry all over again; "Stronger than the Hulk, smarter then Mr. Fantastic, faster then Quicksilver, etc.." Damn it 'creative', you're not making your golden boy better, you're making your roster (including future opponents/fueds/allies) look like a bunch of chumps..

Does the WWE have a complaint line? Gah...

Erik Lehnsherr
03-21-2007, 03:59 PM
^^It's funny. Back in 2003, heel Cena used to work on body parts all the time ala how they are trying to sell Kennedy these days but now look at Cena? He counters the SUPERIOR counterwrestler with a STFU from the Crippler Crossface set up? I thought I would NEVER see that. The only people I have seen punk out Chris Benoit on the mat in recent years has been Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, and Kurt Angle. Anyone else? He's pretty much spun out of it or countered into something.

Royal
03-21-2007, 11:11 PM
Give you a sense who Choi Hong Man is.

Choi vs. BOBBY (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwn7w_bobby-ologun-vs-hongman-choi)

lboinyamouf4sho
03-22-2007, 01:02 AM
To quote your sig: John Cena is a JOKE.

How is someone touted as a "Ground and Pound" w/ an "Unorthodoxed Style" make a submission expert tap out? Cena (even WITH his STFU win against HHH) has never shown off his submission skills. Where was the psychology? The drama? How did Cena work the neck? Benoit's ENTIRE schtick is that is that he can make ANYONE tap out, may it be w/ the crossface or the 'shooter.

(IMO) This didn't make Cena look better or more 'technically sound', it just makes Benoit look like a loser. Gah...

the ground & pound thing was years ago and was actually "pound & ground".

what i don't get is people will say this about cena not working the neck or the leg but benoit has been doing the same thing for the last few years, not working the neck or the shoulder but nobody asks "where's the psychology, where's the drama??" they say "benoits crossface has been built up so it doesn't need to be set up, once you're in it you tap" well what do you think their doing with the STFU?? it's not about working a body part to set it up, it's supposed to just be this unescapable hold. could you suggest a better way to show the move is impossible to escape from then by having it put on benoit and benoit tapping?? the idea is if even benoit cannot escape the STFU could HBK do it at mania?? same thing with HBK putting down former world champ JBL in the blink of an eye, the idea is you're suposed to ask yourself "if HBK could put out JBL just like that could he just hit cena with it at any moment durring the match??" there's the drama, there's the build. i don't see how it makes benoit look weak to tap to the move nobody else has been able to escape from.

would i build this the same way?? no, but i'm not a booker(even though i know what's best). i just can't see why people go the "it makes no sense" type route rather than the "i don't like that".

lboinyamouf4sho
03-22-2007, 02:05 AM
just got the chance to watch cena benoit again(sober this time) too bad they didn't have more time, it was getting pretty good. why does nobody complain about benoit out brawling cena??

Scott Evil
03-22-2007, 09:16 AM
the ground & pound thing was years ago and was actually "pound & ground".

what i don't get is people will say this about cena not working the neck or the leg but benoit has been doing the same thing for the last few years, not working the neck or the shoulder but nobody asks "where's the psychology, where's the drama??" would i build this the same way?? no, but i'm not a booker(even though i know what's best). i just can't see why people go the "it makes no sense" type route rather than the "i don't like that"...

Totally agree; I should've just came out and said "I don't like that" :o But in my defense, I do understand that it is partially booking's doing, not necessarily Cena's. I've seen other boards with illogical arguments that basically end w/ "Cena teh suxs" or "die Cena u ruin wrestling".

RE: Benoit's working towards the Crossface; isn't that why Benoit uses the German suplexes? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but when one's body is dropped by a german suplex (especially the rolling variety), don't you land square on the back of your head/neck/shoulders? My favorite example would be the Rock, cause I remember him having both his arms wrapped around the back of his head to protect from the impact. And doesn't the flying headbutt (even tho' it prolly hurts Benoit more) focus on the shoulder/neck that gets scissored down, making it harder to escape?

So even tho' its only two moves, (I guess 5 if you count each suplex :D) I've used "Wrestling Logic"* to conclude that he does use some psychology and build towards the crossface. I think the only exception was his 1 min. Orlando Jordan squashes, but I'm sure we can ignore that ;) But I'm sure we agree to disagree, but I think we're both on the same boat that the end should've been booked differently. I don't know how different, but definitely not like that.



*Wrestling Logic: the same thinking that gives us "One must bounce back off the ropes when thrown" and "A Hogan legdrop really really really hurts" :rolleyes:

Arune Singh
03-22-2007, 10:34 AM
I accept a lot of wrestling logic. I do. Throwing someone into the ropes and them bouncing back is like Clark Kent's glasses. If you don't get it, the rest will never work.

That said...

DX tells people to "suck it." They always point to their crotches. So how are they also the most homophobic group, using "Vince loves cock" to ridicule their enemies? They're clearly asking for their own cock to be sucked, so how does their gimmick make any sense? I mean, HHH beats people by tea bagging them!

Yeah yeah, I've probably put too much thought into it...

lboinyamouf4sho
03-22-2007, 04:39 PM
RE: Benoit's working towards the Crossface; isn't that why Benoit uses the German suplexes? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but when one's body is dropped by a german suplex (especially the rolling variety), don't you land square on the back of your head/neck/shoulders? My favorite example would be the Rock, cause I remember him having both his arms wrapped around the back of his head to protect from the impact. And doesn't the flying headbutt (even tho' it prolly hurts Benoit more) focus on the shoulder/neck that gets scissored down, making it harder to escape?

So even tho' its only two moves, (I guess 5 if you count each suplex :D) I've used "Wrestling Logic"* to conclude that he does use some psychology and build towards the crossface. I think the only exception was his 1 min. Orlando Jordan squashes, but I'm sure we can ignore that ;) But I'm sure we agree to disagree, but I think we're both on the same boat that the end should've been booked differently. I don't know how different, but definitely not like that.





maybe, but if so, nobody knows how to sell, or everyone is no-selling it. maybe some kind of conspiracy to tarnish benoit's rep as wrestling psychologist supreme. wouldn't the FU be the ultimate setup for the STFU then since you come crashing down from a good 5 feet in the air directly on your neck and shoulders and have the STFU slapped on with no rest time in between??