Devil May Cry 4 going multiplatform

[Xero Kaiser]

http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/news/html/e070320.html

There goes the last reason I had for getting a PS3 anytime soon.

[1WEBHEAD]

http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/news/html/e070320.html

There goes the last reason I had for getting a PS3 anytime soon.

I always wanted see what the hubba was about in this series. Now I get see on my shiny 360.:)

I kinda feel sorry for Sony, They gave up the Final Fantasy Series, Grand Theft Auto series, and now the Devil May Cry series away to its competition. It's like Microsoft giving away Halo and Gears of War. Now the PS3 only has MGS4, God of War 3, and possibly Kingdom Hearts 3 left. Oh well...

[Xero Kaiser]

I wouldn't count on MGS4 staying exclusive, personally

[Urusai Wrangler]

I wouldn't count on MGS4 staying exclusive, personally

Nor do I, as this sort of thing has a domino effect. When more third parties see OTHER third parties releasing their previously exclusive titles on other platforms, it has a side effect of convincing more third parties to do likewise.

[LordKaos]

I always wanted see what the hubba was about in this series. Now I get see on my shiny 360.:)

I kinda feel sorry for Sony, They gave up the Final Fantasy Series, Grand Theft Auto series, and now the Devil May Cry series away to its competition. It's like Microsoft giving away Halo and Gears of War. Now the PS3 only has MGS4, God of War 3, and possibly Kingdom Hearts 3 left. Oh well...

Well FFXIII and FF vs XIII are still PS3 exclusive. Sony has lost the main Final Fantasy series yet.

[Black Atom]

I actually predicted this, though I didn't expect it to happen this early in the game. If (when) MGS4 goes multi, Sony'll be really hurt.

They still have Ridge Racer, though. So there's that.

[K.O.V.G]

Big Mistake, But I'll get this one on the pc, Torrent time (cough) I mean buy time.

[Convoy]

I guess that huge development costs made Capcom make the move to go multi.

MGS4 probably won't go multi at first but will when they eventually do a rerelease like in Substance.

[1WEBHEAD]

Well FFXIII and FF vs XIII are still PS3 exclusive. Sony has lost the main Final Fantasy series yet.

Time will tell my friend...;)

[Xero Kaiser]

They still have Ridge Racer, though. So there's that.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1231/ridge20racer206be3.jpg

[Thorlief]

uh-oh! hard times coming..

[Mr. Ifix'em]

i dont even care about this lame franchise. i'm happy with my PS3.

FYI MGS 4 is NOT going to the Xbox 360. Kojima himself said it. If and that's a big IF it is porterd to the Crapbox 360 it is most likely to be on a 4 disc set. So not thank you. MGS4 stayin with Sony.

[Xero Kaiser]

Kojima has no say in the matter one way or the other, he doesn't run Konami. And 4 discs? Really? Make things up often?

[Mike Pothier]

i dont even care about this lame franchise. i'm happy with my PS3.

FYI MGS 4 is NOT going to the Xbox 360. Kojima himself said it. If and that's a big IF it is porterd to the Crapbox 360 it is most likely to be on a 4 disc set. So not thank you. MGS4 stayin with Sony.

Capcom absolutely stated over and over that Resident Evil 4 would stay exclusive on the GC.

It wasn't even released when they changed their minds and announced the PS2 port.

MGS4 can be ported if Konami really wants it to be, and there are already strong rumors to that effect.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Kojima himself said it.

Kojima's said lots of things.

And exactly how is the 'Crapbox' so inherently inferior that it would take four discs?

[Wesley Dodds]

Deleted due to profanity - Perry

[Dangerous]

Deleted due to profanity - Perry

[params7]

Tekken 6? Yes, there are chances. MGS4? Hell no, if it still does go to X360, it won't be after 6-12 months after its time on PS3.

Not to mention, FF13 is still the biggest on the PS3 exclusive yet. We could also have a Kingdom Hearts 3 announcement anytime soon, and God Of War 3 looks like it could heal the damage done by DMC4.

[Perry Holley]

Remeber folks, watch your language.

[Kevin M.]

i dont even care about this lame franchise. i'm happy with my PS3.

FYI MGS 4 is NOT going to the Xbox 360. Kojima himself said it. If and that's a big IF it is porterd to the Crapbox 360 it is most likely to be on a 4 disc set. So not thank you. MGS4 stayin with Sony.

Ah yes, welcome Sony Fanboy.

This is awsome that Devil May Cry 4 is coming to the 360. Killer. As the MGS4, it will come to the 360, but not for a while.

[Dangerous]

Whoops think I might have got a bit carried away.

But re- MGS4 don't think it won't get a simultaneous release.
That’s what was thought of GTAIV and DMC4, look at them now.
Industry whispers state that MGS4 is indeed coming to 360, and you just know like every other key property that MS has thus far bought out, its going to be released the same day as the PS3 version.
MS have the financial muscle, that’s all there is to it. PS3 has got a real battle on it’s hands and thus far it’s losing (in sales) to Wii and 360 in the US.

[Sparda]

I don't know whether to be happy in joy or sad but I do know that DMC4 would be my only reason to get PS3 and that just went out the window. Bad thing about it for me though is being a fan that I am (going so far as to beat the harder difficulties) is that I would have to get use to the 360's control's. I really hope when they do the controls for 360 DMC4 that it would feel confortable and natural.

Now my personal concern is where the heck do I put my 360 :(. I guess I'd have to get a stand thingie for my PS2 (for space sakes) and have it by my television while that big area of room is for my 360.

At least I save cash from not having to buy PS3. At least I'm semi happy

[Lester C.]

I think this benefits Microsoft far more Nintendo. No matter how fun the Wii is the console just doesn't pack the punch to show off true next generation games like this one.

[Mr. Ifix'em]

Ah yes, welcome Sony Fanboy.

This is awsome that Devil May Cry 4 is coming to the 360. Killer. As the MGS4, it will come to the 360, but not for a while.

Thank you XBot.



*****

Again, MGS 4 is NOT coming to the 360. every argument of this claim either comes from clueless moronice xbot fanboy. there hasn't been a single hint, clue, or even rumor to back it up. the dorkbox 360 doesnt have the power of cell. the PS3, thanks to Blu-ray can hold lots of space for the games. HD Dvd cant do that. its been proven.

to prove my point further...the first xbox console release a MGS game and it was completely shitty. Can any of you imagine how shitty MGS4 would look on a Xbox 360? it can't hold a game that powerful. even if you mention Gears of war that game was the using the maximum capacity power of the 360.

[Black Atom]

Calling it the dorkbox isn't going to help your credibility one bit.

[Kevin M.]

Thank you XBot.



*****

Again, MGS 4 is NOT coming to the 360. every argument of this claim either comes from clueless moronice xbot fanboy. there hasn't been a single hint, clue, or even rumor to back it up. the dorkbox 360 doesnt have the power of cell. the PS3, thanks to Blu-ray can hold lots of space for the games. HD Dvd cant do that. its been proven.

to prove my point further...the first xbox console release a MGS game and it was completely shitty. Can any of you imagine how shitty MGS4 would look on a Xbox 360? it can't hold a game that powerful. even if you mention Gears of war that game was the using the maximum capacity power of the 360.

First off you have no idea what you are talking about. Kojima has stated that the 360 can run MGS4. Check it out here (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3146425)

One more thing. If you want to stick around and have people take you seriously, then you should change you tune.

[Xero Kaiser]

Bad thing about it for me though is being a fan that I am (going so far as to beat the harder difficulties) is that I would have to get use to the 360's control's. I really hope when they do the controls for 360 DMC4 that it would feel confortable and natural.

Take a look at the 360 controller. The button placement isn't much different than the Playstation's.

Again, MGS 4 is NOT coming to the 360. every argument of this claim either comes from clueless moronice xbot fanboy. there hasn't been a single hint, clue, or even rumor to back it up.

If nothing else, there's been tons of rumors. Try paying attention

the dorkbox 360 doesnt have the power of cell. the PS3, thanks to Blu-ray can hold lots of space for the games. HD Dvd cant do that. its been proven.

Irrelevant. There's no developer out there pushing the limits of the Cell, so it's supposed power is all theory at this point. And there are no games out there that are truely taking advantage of the extra space Blu-Ray offers.

Were you trying to make a point?

to prove my point further...the first xbox console release a MGS game and it was completely s****y. Can any of you imagine how s****y MGS4 would look on a Xbox 360?

....what? There wasn't anything wrong with the Xbox port of MGS2 that I can recall. And what does another game on another system have to do with any of this?

it can't hold a game that powerful. even if you mention Gears of war that game was the using the maximum capacity power of the 360.

Since when does the UE3 engine suck up all the 360's power? If it does, then how does the new Turok game use the same engine and offer bigger environments with no drop in the graphics?

Stop making crap up

[Mr. Ifix'em]

Take a look at the 360 controller. The button placement isn't much different than the Playstation's.

If nothing else, there's been tons of rumors. Try paying attention

Irrelevant. There's no developer out there pushing the limits of the Cell, so it's supposed power is all theory at this point. And there are no games out there that are truely taking advantage of the extra space Blu-Ray offers.

Were you trying to make a point?

....what? There wasn't anything wrong with the Xbox port of MGS2 that I can recall. And what does another game on another system have to do with any of this?

Since when does the UE3 engine suck up all the 360's power? If it does, then how does the new Turok game use the same engine and offer bigger environments with no drop in the graphics?

Stop making crap up


i wasnt making any crap. I'm giving you some facts. just recently Sony released LittleBigPlanet. that particular game is not even using HALF the power of Cell. So, no it's not theory. Theory is when you sayin MGS4 is coming to the Xbox 360.

fyi the PS3 comes with Linux. And read this:

"Because we have plans for having Linux on board the PS3, we also recognize Linux programming activities… Other than game studios tied to official developer licenses, we had like to see various individuals participate in content creation for the PS3."

Can M$ make the same with the 360? no, and it hasn't. im still waiting to see whats the big deal with Halo 3.

i Mention Blu-ray because of the storage capacity it holds. 360 doesn't have a capacity that same capacity. so all the large games have to be cramp into at least 2 discs. The size of MGS4 is waaaay too large for the 360 to play. that is why is not worth owning one.

look, i came here because YOU guys were sayin that MGS4 was coming to the 360. thats neither true, nor fact, its a pointless rumor. Kojima made it clear and he is the creator of MGS so gets the last word. It's called copyright laws. So, even if konami says MGS will be released for the 360. Kojima HIMSELF can block that move.

get over it because MGS4 is not coming to the 360 at all.

[Xero Kaiser]

So, no it's not theory. Theory is when you sayin MGS4 is coming to the Xbox 360

I never stated it as a fact.

fyi the PS3 comes with Linux. And read this:

"Because we have plans for having Linux on board the PS3, we also recognize Linux programming activities… Other than game studios tied to official developer licenses, we had like to see various individuals participate in content creation for the PS3."

I didn't even bother reading all of that crap. It's got nothing to do with MGS or DMC so I don't care

i Mention Blu-ray because of the storage capacity it holds. 360 doesn't have a capacity that same capacity. so all the large games have to be cramp into at least 2 discs. The size of MGS4 is waaaay too large for the 360 to play. that is why is not worth owning one.

And you say this because....? Do you know how big MGS4 is? How is it that other once-exclusive PS3 games fit onto the 360? Nobody's using all the space that Blu-Ray offers. So it doesn't matter at this point.

look, i came here because YOU guys were sayin that MGS4 was coming to the 360. thats neither true, nor fact, its a pointless rumor.

No, go back and read the damn topic. Pretty everyone said they'd expect MGS4 to go multiplatform.

"I wouldn't count on MGS4 staying exclusive, personally"

"Nor do I, as this sort of thing has a domino effect. When more third parties see OTHER third parties releasing their previously exclusive titles on other platforms, it has a side effect of convincing more third parties to do likewise."

"If (when) MGS4 goes multi, Sony'll be really hurt"

Nobody stated it as a fact. We're just making a guess based off what's been happening with PS3 exclusives lately. Then you rolled in here and started crying about it for no reason.

look, i came here because YOU guys were sayin that MGS4 was coming to the 360. thats neither true, nor fact, its a pointless rumor. Kojima made it clear and he is the creator of MGS so gets the last word. It's called copyright laws. So, even if konami says MGS will be released for the 360. Kojima HIMSELF can block that move.

Does Kojima publish the game himself? Last I checked Konami still ran the show. Go look at what happens when the developer says something will be exclusive and the publisher says different (see: VF5, VJ, RE4)

It might go multiplatform, it might not. Either way, I'm pretty sure Konami gets the last word

[BlairH]

i wasnt making any crap. I'm giving you some facts.
No, you're making stuff up.

Sony released LittleBigPlanet.
LittleBigPlanet hasn't been released yet. You're making stuff up.

fyi the PS3 comes with Linux.
I bet you can't even tell me what Linux distrobution the PS3 "comes with". You're making stuff up.

Can M$ make the same with the 360? no, and it hasn't.
XNA dev tools for the 360 were released to the community a while ago. You're making stuff up.

im still waiting to see whats the big deal with Halo 3.
What's the big deal with Killzone 2?

so all the large games have to be cramp into at least 2 discs.
There's not a single game that comes on 2 discs. You're making stuff up.

The size of MGS4 is waaaay too large for the 360 to play.
How big is MGS4? Do you know? If not, you are making stuff up.

Kojima made it clear and he is the creator of MGS so gets the last word.
No, the company he works for gets the last word. You are making stuff up.

It's called copyright laws.
Who owns the copyright for MGS? You're making stuff up.

STOP MAKING STUFF UP!

[Xero Kaiser]

Okay, so I went back and read this:

"Because we have plans for having Linux on board the PS3, we also recognize Linux programming activities… Other than game studios tied to official developer licenses, we had like to see various individuals participate in content creation for the PS3."

Can M$ make the same with the 360? no, and it hasn't

Live Arcade says, "LOL"

[BlairH]

every argument of this claim either comes from clueless moronice xbot fanboy.
You shouldn't insult your fellow gamers. Anybody who insults a fellow gamer based on their chosen platform is anti-gaming, and is no friend of mine.

to prove my point further...the first xbox console release a MGS game and it was completely shitty.
That's what happens when a game is quickly ported to another platform to increase sales. It happens with any console, and generally says nothing about how good or bad that console happens to be, it says more about the developers ability to write code, or the publisher's desire to rush a product out quickly.

Can any of you imagine how shitty MGS4 would look on a Xbox 360?
Well, if it looks anything like Gears of War, I'd wager that it'll look orgasmic.

it can't hold a game that powerful.
Your terminology is incorrect. How can a game be "powerful"?

even if you mention Gears of war that game was the using the maximum capacity power of the 360.
There you go, making stuff up again.

For the record, I just purchased a PS3. 3 days before the UK launch (go me! I work part-time in a video game store)

[Jmacq1]

Someone already brought up the key point behind all of this: Development costs.

As PS3 continues to lag behind its' two competitors in terms of total units sold, and more PS3 units continue to collect dust on store shelves, the developers reach a point where they have no choice but to go multiplatform, because otherwise they won't recoup the investment they made in creating the game in the first place.

Unless/Until Sony manages to close the gap significantly, many game developers are going to be forced to choose between "A: Lose money...potentially lots of money" or "B: Go multiplatform." And short of situations in which the "exclusivity" is so iron-clad that going multiplatform would result in multimillion dollar lawsuits (and I don't know that any of Sony's exclusive agreements are that tight, particularly if one of their biggest franchises can get away with it), any smart business will choose option "B."

[Xero Kaiser]

(and I don't know that any of Sony's exclusive agreements are that tight, particularly if one of their biggest franchises can get away with it),

The thing is, most of Sony's exclusive games have been exclusive by the developer's choice, not because of any contract. If Square turned around and said "FF13 is going to the Xbox" there's nothing Sony can do about it because Square's not bound by anything.

[Thorlief]

I think this benefits Microsoft far more Nintendo. No matter how fun the Wii is the console just doesn't pack the punch to show off true next generation games like this one.


Christ, again. Ok, you right.

[Mr. Ifix'em]

LittleBigPlanet hasn't been released yet. You're making stuff up.!

What i meant to say is that Sony released a demo of Little Big Planet. that game alone is showing the power of the PS3.


What's the big deal with Killzone 2?

They're working on it. your point?


There's not a single game that comes on 2 discs. You're making stuff up.

for a console like the 360 there will be.


How big is MGS4? Do you know? If not, you are making stuff up.

How big is it? hours long...which after playing the xbox 360 Im sure the damn thing would heat up or give the three ring of death.


No, the company he works for gets the last word. You are making stuff up.


Who owns the copyright for MGS? You're making stuff up.



The company STILL needs the authority of the creator. Copyrights laws.

i also don't give two shits about where you work! you are no authority either! so guess what?

YOU STOP MAKING STUFF UP.

[BlairH]

What i meant to say is that Sony released a demo of Little Big Planet. that game alone is showing the power of the PS3.
Where can we get our hands on it? Is it playable code?

They're working on it. your point?
What was your point about Halo 3 earlier in the discussion?

for a console like the 360 there will be.
It's unlikely. Considering that most PC games (massive things that are installed completely on to the HDD) manage to fit on to 1 standard DVD, I see no reason to believe that XBox360 games will be released on multiple discs.

How big is it? hours long...
That has...absolutely nothing to do with the context of my question. We're not exactly talking music CDs here. How big is MGS? How much space on a Blu-Ray disc does it occupy? You don't know, because the game isn't out yet. Unless it's unlike any previously released title for any platform in the history of gaming, I can't see it taking up more than 9GB on an optical disc. Even if it ends up being slightly more, I see no problem with having to change discs. Heck, I put up with 4 discs for Final Fantasy VII!

which after playing the xbox 360 Im sure the damn thing would heat up or give the three ring of death.
Hasn't happened to my 360.

The company STILL needs the authority of the creator. Copyrights laws.
Dude, I've been a law student for over 3 years now (albiet in Scotland, so I'm not exactly up to speed with your laws). There's certianly a significant body of authority to suggest that work created "for hire" (ie: Konami employing Kojima to write the plot of MGS) is the property of the employer and not the creator. Have a look at the US Code Collection Title 17 Chapter 2 § 201: "Ownership of copyright"

"(b) Works Made for Hire.— In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright."

I believe the word is "p0wned".

Furthermore, assuming Kojima had the final say on whether the game gets ported to the 360, why would he NOT want to have his game on that system? He isn't a Sony fanboy. He's an accomplished writer, and the more people who get the chance to enjoy his work, the better.

i also don't give two shits about where you work! you are no authority either! so guess what?
I did not bring up my employment status as proof of my "authority" I merely stated -for the record- that I had a PS3. Had I done this without stating where I worked, you would most likely have said something to the effect of "omg! It isn't out in the UK untill Friday! You XBox moronice! (sic)"

YOU STOP MAKING STUFF UP.
What was I making up? Do my words not ring true with you?

[Xero Kaiser]

How big is it? hours long...which after playing the xbox 360 Im sure the damn thing would heat up or give the three ring of death.

Oh my god! MGS4 is going to last for hours!??? No 360 game has ever been that long! Ever!

Since when has a game's size/length ever made a console overheat?

The company STILL needs the authority of the creator. Copyrights laws.


Ummm...if the company in question holds the copyright laws, they don't need anybody's authority to do anything with the property. Up until recently Konami both developed and published MGS. I believe Kojima has his own studio now, but I'm pretty sure they're still a part of Konami. The same way Clover was always a part of Capcom

You think marvel needs to call up Stan Lee every time a story gets pitched?

[Urusai Wrangler]

look, i came here because YOU guys were sayin that MGS4 was coming to the 360. thats neither true, nor fact, its a pointless rumor. Kojima made it clear and he is the creator of MGS so gets the last word. It's called copyright laws. So, even if konami says MGS will be released for the 360. Kojima HIMSELF can block that move.

Allow me to correct this common misconception; Konami owns all IP rights for the Metal gear Solid franchise. If Kojima ever left Konami, they would be making Metal Gear games without him, and he couldn't do a thing about it. The creator has no authority over what the company can do with the game because the COMPANY holds the copyright. Most people are unaware that when you create something for a company, the company ends up owning the property, not the creator. Kojima may not be interested in doing a port of MGS4 for the 360, but that doesn't mean that Konami can't take the finished code and farm it out to another developer (much like how Raven Software is often involved with Id projects). It's well within their legal rights to do so since they hold the game IP rights and copyright. Kojima I'm sure has the last say in the creative direction his projects take, but Konami's board of directors have the final say in what's to be done with the final product.

Even so, the tone of your comments regarding the 360 seem to indicate that you're less than objective in your arguments. Some of them are just pie-in-the-sky fantasy (A long game causes the 360 to overheat?), and since it's clear from your stance that you'd never own a 360, I can only assume that you're making these claims from secondhand rumors and supposition.


Ummm...if the company in question holds the copyright laws, they don't need anybody's authority to do anything with the property. Up until recently Konami both developed and published MGS. I believe Kojima has his own studio now, but I'm pretty sure they're still a part of Konami. The same way Clover was always a part of Capcom


Kojima is under contract to produce MGS4, but Konami could've given it to any developer they wanted. Truth of the matter us that generally there's no better person than the creator to give the contract to, but look at Square...they've been making FF games without Hironobu Sakaguchi for some time now.

My take? If MGS4 shows up this year, it will likely go multiplatform since the PS3 still won't have the largest installed userbase by the end of 2007, and this will probably make recouping the development costs problematic. For the record, I think FF13 will be multiplatform also as well; both Konami and Square were part of the reason Sony lowered the PS3 price in Japan as both companies expressed concern about a small PS3 install base for their titles (yet another reason I think both titles will go multi). Allegedly, the White Engine (on which FF13 is built) is a multiplatform architecture as well which if true, fuels this line of speculation.

[Mike Pothier]

Heh, its like a car wreck. I know I shouldn't stop and stare, but I can't help myself.

[Black Atom]

Couple things:

1. Shinji Mikami, the creator of the Resident Evil series was pretty much helpless when Capcom decided to take RE4 to PS2, despite claiming he'd cut his own head off if the game went to PS2. This was a promised exclusive years before the game was even done, BTW.

2. Disc capacity has nothing to do with system performance. The 360 actually has a better processor than the PS3 does, which is evident if you've played both machines. Sony still manages to have the worst load times in the industry.

[Urusai Wrangler]

Live Arcade says, "LOL"

Seriously. One of our projects at the studio right now involves a game for PC/LIVE Arcade.

[Lester C.]

There were serious problems with the inital production batch with the 360s but Microsoft, in a move that impressed the hell out of me, extended the warrenty to a full year to cover those bugs.

[Lester C.]

Christ, again. Ok, you right.

For what's it worth, Nintendo is the king right now with the Wii and the DS.

[Dangerous]

Thank you XBot.

Again, MGS 4 is NOT coming to the 360. every argument of this claim either comes from clueless moronice xbot fanboy. there hasn't been a single hint, clue, or even rumor to back it up. the dorkbox 360 doesnt have the power of cell. the PS3, thanks to Blu-ray can hold lots of space for the games. HD Dvd cant do that. its been proven.

to prove my point further...the first xbox console release a MGS game and it was completely shitty. Can any of you imagine how shitty MGS4 would look on a Xbox 360? it can't hold a game that powerful. even if you mention Gears of war that game was the using the maximum capacity power of the 360.


Buddy, it sounds like you are going to be in for one rough day when MS announce MGS4 on 360.
Whatever memory issues you are going on about means I assume you are unaware of the black 360 coming out soon featuring a 120HD. No doubt the 120HD will be sold separately also.

This would easily be enough memory to run MGS4. Plus you are also forgetting/unaware that the 360 is a lot more developer friendly machine than PS3 is.

Finally- when DMC4 was confirmed by MS they made the statement 'One down two to go'.
Later an MS rep alluded to numbers 2 and 3 being MGS4 and FF.
The deals are being worked out as we speak.

Your frustration is understandable, if my machine- 360 was losing all of it's key exclusives I would be pissed too. Though this is not likely to happen as MS has more money than Sony and is now just buying all of Sony's most popular games series thus potentially crippling the PS3's long-term future (let's hope so).

Tip- Just make sure you stick around on this board and don't go all shy when MGS4 is announced for 360.
I may want to throw a few smileys your way, heh.

[BlairH]

Buddy, it sounds like you are going to be in for one rough day when MS announce MGS4 on 360.
Indeed he will be!

This would easily be enough memory to run MGS4.
The rumoured black 360 and 120GB Hard drive doesn't actually give the machine more "memory". It simply gives it a higher capacity hard drive so that you can download more content/save more games. Hard drive capacity is irrelevant with regards to how a console game "runs" (sometimes the loading time is cut down a wee bit). Bear in mind all 360 games run on the Core machine sans hard drive.

Plus you are also forgetting/unaware that the 360 is a lot more developer friendly machine than PS3 is.
100% truth. I've heard PS3 described as a "developer's nightmare".

[QUOTE]thus potentially crippling the PS3's long-term future (let's hope so).
I wouldn't say that. I'd like the console market to remain competetive.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Ha! I'm happy about this! I might not have to buy a PS3 anymore (for now).

[BlairH]

Ha! I'm happy about this! I might not have to buy a PS3 anymore (for now).

Just do it!

It may not have many good games, it may cost an arm and a leg, and it may look like a George Foreman grill, but -let's not be mistaken- it looks like a very glossy, very sexy George Foreman grill.

I spent a few hours playing Resistance last night on mine, and I can't say that I'm blown away, but it is a fairly decent machine. Can't wait to try out some blu-ray movies on it.

[params7]

How big is MGS4? Do you know? If not, you are making stuff up.

http://www.adamcg.com/newdump/mgs4.png


Hope you know Kojima has stated that he needs a 50 gigger Bluray for MGS4.

[BlairH]

http://www.adamcg.com/newdump/mgs4.png
I love that photoshop.

The fact remains that there is no basis in reality for such claims.

Mass Effect: Bioware's next RPG is expected to contain several hours worth of voice acting (including multiple dialogue options, etc. Bioware RPGs have a track record of being VERY big (outlasting MGS games in terms of longevity) It will all fit on one DVD.

Hope you know Kojima has stated that he needs a 50 gigger Bluray for MGS4.
He probably wants to go like Resistance Fall of Man and have identical portions of code located in different areas of the disc so that it loads faster. Either that or he can't be bothered using compressed textures.

[Perry Holley]

Okay, I'm later getting to this later than I would have liked:

i also don't give two shits about where you work! you are no authority either! so guess what?

YOU STOP MAKING STUFF UP.Mr. Ifix'em, tone it down a few notches. You are NOT making a good first impression with me. Please review the rules (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=20244), paying special attention to #2 & 4. If you continue to act in an overly hostile and belligerent manner, your abilty to post here will be rescinded.

[founder81]

Though this is not likely to happen as MS has more money than Sony and is now just buying all of Sony's most popular games series thus potentially crippling the PS3's long-term future (let's hope so).

I don't think Sony needs any help. The price tag alone is hurting them.

(but take what I say with a grain of salt. I don't have 360 or PS3, but I do love my Wii)

[Jared H.]

For clarification's sake:

There is in fact a multi-disc game for the 360. It's called Blue Dragon (http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/mistwalker-rpg/750648p1.html)(please note the line "spanning a massive 3 DVDs"), and is currently in Japan, and coming to the States in August(dunno about Europe).

I'm also surprised that no one has mentioned that Sony is losing another major title for them(the last one made all-time sales records in Japan): Dragon Quest 9 is heading to the Nintendo DS exclusively.

I happen to have all 3 next-gen systems, so I'm not too concerned over the loss of exclusivity(although it does bug me that R:FOM is still going to be my only killer app for the PS3 for the time being). And to be honest, while I admire the quality of the MGS series and know the games are great, I've never really liked playing them that much, so I find I don't care much about MGS4 being exclusive or no.

[Sheldon]

You beat me to it Jared. Blue Dragon is 3 discs.

But I don't see what the big deal is with multiple discs. It wasn't the end of the world when I had to switch discs in FF7 (I felt like I accomplished something) and RE4 on Gamecube was fine even though it had 2 discs.

Its not like a 2nd disc really adds a substantial cost.

[Alex]

I guess that huge development costs made Capcom make the move to go multi.

MGS4 probably won't go multi at first but will when they eventually do a rerelease like in Substance.

Yep, it's why i wasn't too upset.
But, given how 2 big name exclusives have gone to 360 (If assasians creed even counts...it had big hype at least), i wouldn't be surprised if it comes to 360 at the same time.

[ocelotrevs]

It looks a little less likely that I'll get a PS3 if this does happen.
And if MGS4 and others make the move. I may have to expand my horizons.

[Nate Grey]

http://www.adamcg.com/newdump/mgs4.png


Hope you know Kojima has stated that he needs a 50 gigger Bluray for MGS4.

This whole thread is hilarious, but THAT had me in tears. "I FINALLY finished disc seven! On to disc 8!" LOL

[Knightosis]

Sony really really should've taken their time with their console. Now look at
them.

And FYI, any console that has a Gundam game at launch is evidence enough
how bad that console is going to do in the beginning.

[BlairH]

Sony really really should've taken their time with their console. Now look at
them.

Part of the problem was that they took too much time bringing it to market. Last Friday saw the UK launch. That's more than 16 months after the 360 launch.

Microsoft did a good job ensuring that the 360 was the de-facto "next generation console" by beating Sony to the shops.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Stupidd xbotz! Teh pwer of the CeLL pwns joo!!!!1!11!

[AllisterH]

Part of the problem was that they took too much time bringing it to market. Last Friday saw the UK launch. That's more than 16 months after the 360 launch.

Microsoft did a good job ensuring that the 360 was the de-facto "next generation console" by beating Sony to the shops.

Yeah, but that was basically by taking a bath on the original Xbox. How long was that released for before they announced the 360? I'm not sure this is a good strategy or one you can repeat in the long-term.

Another reason MS seems to be doing so well is MS simply bought a lot of Development houses (or at the least, they're tied so closely to MS like Bioware is).

By snapping up all the good/great but small companies and knowing that the big companies will always try to maximise their profits (much easier for Capcom to make a game multiplatform than say Bioware) by releasing on multiple systems, MS was thinking long term.

What was the last development tean/company SONY actually bought? Seriously, has Sony EVER bought a development team?

Still, I wouldn't think Sony is down and out in any way. Sony, last time I checked in Japan, while down 4 to 1 installed in japan when compared to the WII, is only down something like 2 to 1 for the 360 and it probably is safe to say, it will have a higher installed base come Xmas.

[BlairH]

Stupidd xbotz! Teh pwer of the CeLL pwns joo!!!!1!11!

Cell isn't what it's cracked up to be. Indeed, the relative "power" of both machines ends up being fairly equal, as I've posted elsewhere on the board:

-PS3 has a higher CPU throughput when used effectively, with its single PowerPC core and 8 SPE's in the Cell processor. The SPE's are the digital signal processing cores for number crunching - although in the PS3 only 7 are used, 1 is left redundant. And an SPE is always used for the core system code and another has to be relinquished when required by the system.

-Despite the PS3 having higher CPU computational power, with only one PowerPC core it takes good use of the SPE's to ensure even spread throughout them to get them all working effectively (constantly improving to better dev tools though to split number crunching tasks between them all evenly) but at the moment it's easier for developers to fully utilise the three full PowerPC cores in the 360 processor.

-XBOX360 has approximately 20% more rendering capability with it's ATI Xenos Graphics, compared to the PS3's nVidia RSX. It's about 74 gigapixels for the PS3 compared to 94 gigapixels for the 360. The Xenos has 48 pipelines, which can be configured in groups of 16 as either pixel or shader - compared to the RSX's 24 pixel pipelines and 8 shader pipelines. So the complexity of the graphics rendered can be higher on the 360. (One example of a cross-platform game is the new Ridge Racer - which has more scenary objects detail on the 360 compared to the PS3)

-XBOX360 GFX can access all the 512MB of memory, PS3's GFX can only access 256MB of the total 512MB. For that reason more memory can be devoted to textures, and quite a few games show the 360 to have much sharper visuals than the PS3 equivalent.

Really, it's hard to say which system will be better - the PS3 has more CPU power, the 360 has better GFX rendering and internal archetecture.

Conclusion: It's all about the games!

[BlairH]

Yeah, but that was basically by taking a bath on the original Xbox. How long was that released for before they announced the 360?
It had a good run. It was launched in 2001, so it was old-tech by the time the 360 was released in 2005. The PS2 -by contrast- aged quite badly towards the end of it's life in terms of both the graphical richness of the games, and -dare I say- the quality of those games (bar a select few such as Shadow of the Colossus and God of War)

I'm not sure this is a good strategy or one you can repeat in the long-term.
It seems to have worked at least this time. However, if MS were to announce a console in the next 20 months I'd be a bit miffed to say the least.

Another reason MS seems to be doing so well is MS simply bought a lot of Development houses
That's true. As a PC gamer looking forward to the original Halo, I was miffed when they bought Bungee.

What was the last development tean/company SONY actually bought? Seriously, has Sony EVER bought a development team?
I think they need to splash the cash a bit more. They need to be much less conservative with their money. If Sony were to purchase Square-Enix, that would be a major boon for the PS3 and Sony's future platforms.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

pffft, BlairH! Your "facts" mean nothing! The PS3 has Cell and Blu-Ray and a built in hard drive! It's like ten times more powerful than the Xsuck 360! Maybe even TWENTY! The multiplatform games only look better on the 360 right now because Sony won't let the developers waste the mighty power of the PS3 on crappy 360 games!

[Urusai Wrangler]

What was the last development tean/company SONY actually bought? Seriously, has Sony EVER bought a development team?


At least two: Psygnosis (now SCEE) and Naughty Dog.

[founder81]

Conclusion: It's all about the games!

My NES pwns you all

screams I HAD TO DO IT, then runs away laughing manically

[Knightosis]

Conclusion: It's all about the games!

Smartest thing said in this entire thread so far.

[SwordChucksMaster78]

I've been wondering something. Why the hell did Astonishing X-Fan say the 360 was better than the PS3 in other topics, yet calls it the Xsuck 360 in this topic? Talk about contradicting yourself.

[Nate Grey]

I've been wondering something. Why the hell did Astonishing X-Fan say the 360 was better than the PS3 in other topics, yet calls it the Xsuck 360 in this topic? Talk about contradicting yourself.

Sounded like he was imitating certain Sony Fanboys to me.

[SwordChucksMaster78]

My NES pwns you all

Quoted for truth.

[wingsofdamnation]

i'v tried really hard to get into the devil may cry series but cant bring my self to play it. i bought the first three games and plaed up to the stone warrior in the beginning of the first game. couldnt beat him and started playing Gears of War instead which got hook line and sinker. maybe ill just play the 4th and if i really like it ill try the first three again

[BlairH]

I've been wondering something. Why the hell did Astonishing X-Fan say the 360 was better than the PS3 in other topics, yet calls it the Xsuck 360 in this topic? Talk about contradicting yourself.

Sarcasm dude.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Yeah...sarcasm. Lots of sarcasm.

[BlairH]

PS3 for teh win!

Stupid XBotz Grafix whores LOLZ!

PS3 roxorz because it has liek a cell. Leik stem cells research! IT'S SO POWERFUL THAT IT COUULD HAVE SAVED CHRISTOPHER REEVEZ LOL!

[StoneGold]

This owns all.

http://www.historicalfolktoys.com/products/6inch/2002.gif



The original Pong.

[Kevin M.]

Smartest thing said in this entire thread so far.

I second that statement. And also.........SEGA GENISIS FTW

Runs away as posters start chasing me with bats and hammers.

[BlairH]

I second that statement. And also.........SEGA GENISIS FTW

Runs away as posters start chasing me with bats and hammers.
I empathise completely.

My favorite retro gaming machine was my Amiga 500. Playing Another World for the first time was literally an existential revolution for me. That game would come to symbolise my strong feelings for all things French in my future: They make good bread, and good adventure games, but they can be so frustrating at times. Just like the game.

[Drifter]

What i meant to say is that Sony released a demo of Little Big Planet. that game alone is showing the power of the PS3.



They're working on it. your point?



for a console like the 360 there will be.



How big is it? hours long...which after playing the xbox 360 Im sure the damn thing would heat up or give the three ring of death.



The company STILL needs the authority of the creator. Copyrights laws.

i also don't give two shits about where you work! you are no authority either! so guess what?

YOU STOP MAKING STUFF UP.


http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5041/sigoy9.png

[BlairH]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5041/sigoy9.png

Darn straight!

When the great creatormade humanity, there was one trait that he didn't account for; console fanboyism.

[Kevin M.]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5041/sigoy9.png

No truer words have not been spoken.

[SAMAS]

i'v tried really hard to get into the devil may cry series but cant bring my self to play it. i bought the first three games and plaed up to the stone warrior in the beginning of the first game. couldnt beat him and started playing Gears of War instead which got hook line and sinker. maybe ill just play the 4th and if i really like it ill try the first three again

Three is pretty good.

But I suggest getting the Special edition if possible, as the original is supposed to be crazy hard.