No Emma Frost

[Keith_Martineau]

I was looking at the cover of Endangered Species, and also Bachalo's cover for 200...and I can't help but notice that Emma Frost is conspicuously absent from them.
And yet we know Beast is in Endangered Species. Cyke and Colossus are there. Pretty sure Kitty is on one of them.

And supposedly someone dies in Astonishing.

Suppose it's Emma Frost?

[Brian M.]

Please, don't tease me.

[Cayman]

That would be horrible.

[The M.E.]

I don't think we can read that much into it. Lots of folks aren't on the endangered species cover, and i honestly don't think the writers and artists of the other books put too much weight on what's happening in Astonishing when they're doing their thing. How could they really? At this point, it feels like Astonishing is set in a different timeline, as any adventures they have get explained as "that's happening before the other titles' stories, or sometime after". Astonishing feels like a good idea gone wrong, where the intentions of making some of the most important x-characters the focus of the x-men comics, turned into them being taken out of continuity because no one knows what they'll be doing and when it'll ever actually get printed. But now I'm just venting.... ;)

[Hi-Fi]

Endangered Species happens BEFORE the Astonishing arc.

[TimGunn]

She is on the X-Men 200 cover, next to Colossus.

[Volk1]

You take Emma out right now, you take away Scott's sanity.

Cyclops would lose it for sure.

Plus, the X-Men need "that one telepath."

No way she bites it.

[The M.E.]

Endangered Species happens BEFORE the Astonishing arc.

Lol, to be safe, they should say "the next 3 years of x-men continuity happens BEFORE the Astonishing arc" :)

[Brian M.]

You take Emma out right now, you take away Scott's sanity.

Cyclops would lose it for sure.

Plus, the X-Men need "that one telepath."

No way she bites it.

Problem solved: Jean Grey.

[Beast]

She is on the X-Men 200 cover, next to Colossus.
He's talking about the Bachalo cover, not the Finch one. :p

[jeangreydp]

Please, don't tease me.

I know!

*Dreams*

Wouldn't it be nice.......

[Brian M.]

I know!

*Dreams*

Wouldn't it be nice.......

You know in X-Men Legends I you can be Emma Frost? Well every chance I got I'd throw her off a cliff.

[Volk1]

Problem solved: Jean Grey.

If they do that...

I was always intrigued about Psylocke and Scott, when she used to be a telepath.

But in the end, I don't think Betsy could ever love him, or him her.

[Beast]

Endangered Species happens BEFORE the Astonishing arc.
Are you sure? They really can't keep pushing Astonishing further and further.

[rilokyle]

Ehhh I'm pretty sure Marvel won't be killing off Emma Frost anytime soon. With Storm going all AWOL lately, Emma seems to have stepped up to the plate as X-Woman in charge. Marvel's devoted too much time replacing Emma with Jean, so I doubt they'll get rid of her.

[Beast]

Ehhh I'm pretty sure Marvel won't be killing off Emma Frost anytime soon. With Storm going all AWOL lately, Emma seems to have stepped up to the plate as X-Woman in charge. Marvel's devoted too much time replacing Emma with Jean, so I doubt they'll get rid of her.
Unless Jean is coming back. ;)

After all, Rachel's being left in space/limbo for the forseeable future

[Brian M.]

Unless Jean is coming back. ;)

After all, Rachel's being left in space/limbo for the forseeable future

That usually is step 1.

[Beast]

That usually is step 1.
Sadly, yes it is. I'd rather they sent her over to Excalibur.

[streator]

i mentioned this the other day. i think it's odd she's not on the bachalo 200 cover, but i really don't see marvel getting rid of emma. i still kind of see her as a character on the rise.

[Keith_Martineau]

I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate here...

But isn't Emma's relationship with Scott and Jean's death the only things from Morrisons run that HASN'T been undone yet in some fashion? ;)

[jarrod]

If they do that...

I was always intrigued about Psylocke and Scott, when she used to be a telepath.

But in the end, I don't think Betsy could ever love him, or him her.
Screw that... Betsy and Alex is where sparks should fly. I love how she totally made out with him before shoving his buns into the Seige Perilous. :D

[Beast]

I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate here...

But isn't Emma's relationship with Scott and Jean's death the only things from Morrisons run that HASN'T been undone yet in some fashion? ;)
No. There's still plenty of things in play in the X-Men Books.

[rilokyle]

Screw that... Betsy and Alex is where sparks should fly. I love how she totally made out with him before shoving his buns into the Seige Perilous. :D

True, they did share some smoking hot chemistry during the Australia days. Then again, Alex is the perfect match for like every x-woman (and x-man)- I've always liked the idea of him with Dazzler, also harkening back to the their Australia days. While I'm a Polaris/Havok #1 fan, I could so see Alex with either Betsy or Alison.

[jarrod]

I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate here...

But isn't Emma's relationship with Scott and Jean's death the only things from Morrisons run that HASN'T been undone yet in some fashion? ;)
Well, Dust's still around. As is feline McCoy. And little Tito Bohusk.

Outside that though, yeah. :(

[Joe Acro]

You take Emma out right now, you take away Scott's sanity.

Cyclops would lose it for sure.

Plus, the X-Men need "that one telepath."

No way she bites it.They could always restore Cable's powers.

[Beast]

Well, Dust's still around. As is feline McCoy. And little Tito Bohusk.

Outside that though, yeah. :(
And the School is still public. And the X-Men are still public. Scott is still running the school. Jean is still currently out of commission. Cassandra Nova is still around. Sublime is still around. Etc, etc, etc.

[jarrod]

True, they did share some smoking hot chemistry during the Australia days. Then again, Alex is the perfect match for like every x-woman (and x-man)- I've always liked the idea of him with Dazzler, also harkening back to the their Australia days. While I'm a Polaris/Havok #1 fan, I could so see Alex with either Betsy or Alison.
Yeah, Alex and Ali looked totally hott jogging. I could've even seen him with Ororo too honestly, or nearly anyone really... about the only X-ladies he wouldn't work with are Rogue and Rachel imo (pretty obvious reasons for the latter).

I still wanna see Milligan's Ororo/Emma/Alex 3-way... with Alex bottoming naturally. ;)

[Joe Acro]

And the School is still public. And the X-Men are still public. Scott is still running the school. Jean is still currently out of commission. Cassandra Nova is still around. Sublime is still around. Etc, etc, etc.
Cassandra Nova is still around? Even after that last arc?

[jarrod]

And the School is still public. And the X-Men are still public. Scott is still running the school. Jean is still currently out of commission. Cassandra Nova is still around. Sublime is still around. Etc, etc, etc.
Well Whedon conveinently shifted Cassie's whereabouts from where Morrison left things, but outside that, yeah a lot of things are still in place from his run. A few of the Cuckoos are still left too, but they've been similarly damaged by less capable writers. :(

Is Sublime still around though? I thought Jean destroyed him?

[Beast]

Cassandra Nova is still around? Even after that last arc?
Given that they didn't destroy her before the SWORD ship grabbed them, she's either still in the Stuff blob left behind, or hiding in one of the cast members minds. Likely Armor, given the artwork.

[Beast]

Is Sublime still around though? I thought Jean destroyed him?
She decontaminated Beast and destroyed Sublime in a possible/alternate future.

Sublime is still around and active currently. And has even appeared post New X-Men.

[djm]

I don't think we can read that much into it. Lots of folks aren't on the endangered species cover, and i honestly don't think the writers and artists of the other books put too much weight on what's happening in Astonishing when they're doing their thing. How could they really? At this point, it feels like Astonishing is set in a different timeline, as any adventures they have get explained as "that's happening before the other titles' stories, or sometime after". Astonishing feels like a good idea gone wrong, where the intentions of making some of the most important x-characters the focus of the x-men comics, turned into them being taken out of continuity because no one knows what they'll be doing and when it'll ever actually get printed. But now I'm just venting.... ;)

I could not have typed it better. I agree on all points.

[Keith_Martineau]

And the School is still public. And the X-Men are still public. Scott is still running the school. Jean is still currently out of commission. Cassandra Nova is still around. Sublime is still around. Etc, etc, etc.

Actually Cassie Nova still being around and villanous is one of the things about Morrisons run I consider to be undone. He clearly intended to have her grow up as Ernst, a rehabilitated child.

Yeah, a couple characters he created are still around, but the major thrusts of his run have been mostly undone. Technically the X-Men are still public, and so is the school, but mutants aren't the fashionable minority, or growing population of new ideas like what was the thrust of his run, thematically.

[Mikl C]

I hope Emma's sticking around, and Jean doesn't come back for another 5 years.

[We R. Venom]

I hope Emma's sticking around, and Jean doesn't come back for another 5 years.

2012? Thats pretty exact. Since they saw to it to push Jean out and pull in Emma, and made me get used to her, I'd prefer that Emma stays around alive.

[Omega Alpha]

Problem solved: Jean Grey.

No, it doesn't. Scott is "used" to the fact that Jean dies everytime, but another woman he loved dying would be too much for him.

Not to mention it would be giant character regression for him to go back to Jean.

[CaptainCanada]

Are you sure? They really can't keep pushing Astonishing further and further.
Sure they can. As they've said, Astonishing slots in whenever it ends, so that the other books can't spoil it.

Anyway, I doubt they'd kill Emma, given how important she's become to the line in recent years.

[MartinRedmond]

They could get rid of her and Scott altogether. I think Morrison did it on purpose. Took awesome Jean out and left subsequent writers with 2 rotten apples. Jean would be pretty pathetic if she went back to him also.

[Beast]

No, it doesn't. Scott is "used" to the fact that Jean dies everytime, but another woman he loved dying would be too much for him.

Not to mention it would be giant character regression for him to go back to Jean.
Given the fact he's never moved beyond her, it wouldn't really be a regression. ;)

[Omega Alpha]

Given the fact he's never moved beyond her, it wouldn't really be a regression. ;)

Considering the fact that he believes his whole relationship was a lie and that he had an affair and fell in love with another woman, yes, it would be character regression. Huge character regression.

[Hi-Fi]

Are you sure? They really can't keep pushing Astonishing further and further.
I'm sure.:)

[jarrod]

The only way I'd want to see Jean return, would be if she was heading the school herself. No Scott, no Emma, no Xaiver... just Jean. She should be the new Xaiver more or less (which is really more the role Emma's filled currently).

[Slung]

They could get rid of her and Scott altogether. I think Morrison did it on purpose. Took awesome Jean out and left subsequent writers with 2 rotten apples. Jean would be pretty pathetic if she went back to him also.

You nailed it right there!

Considering the fact that he believes his whole relationship was a lie and that he had an affair and fell in love with another woman, yes, it would be character regression. Huge character regression.

I don't think it can be said that Scott believes his relationship with Jean is a lie. I think it can be said that Apocalypse screwed Scott's head around and he wonders if it was a lie and Emma helped push him towards that wonder with sex and telepathy. I think Scott cheating on Jean was a huge character regression. And I think "fell in love with another woman" is a bit strong. Fell in lust is more accurate.

[Omega Alpha]

I don't think it can be said that Scott believes his relationship with Jean is a lie. I think it can be said that Apocalypse screwed Scott's head around and he wonders if it was a lie and Emma helped push him towards that wonder with sex and telepathy.

Fine, you can't believe it, but it doesn't make any sense. If Apocalypse's influences were so strong to the point he could change everything Scott believed, he wouldn't worry about Scott's marriage or his beloved Jean, but to his ideas, to show that Xavier's philosophy is a lot of bull, that Scott was an idiot for believe in them and not in the survival of the fittest, etc. It's like if he had control of Magneto, but instead of trying to make him go to his side, spend his days saying his children are incestuous (well, they are, but still:D ), or that Magda was a whore which use to sleep with the Nazis for money or something.

And his negative feelings were there way before anything with Emma, she didn't have to do anything.


I think Scott cheating on Jean was a huge character regression.

No, it wasn't, even because he never did that before.


And I think "fell in love with another woman" is a bit strong. Fell in lust is more accurate.

Why would Jean, specially Phoenix Jean, remove Scott's guilt enough to move on to a woman... he just had the hots for, nothing more? And he would leave his wife (wish he was going to do, it's the only way HCT makes sense) for something minor?

And again, show me one issue in which Scott is lusting over Emma so much he couldn't even think straight. With Psylocke, there's plent of those, he wasn't even lusting for her at all before they begun the "treatment".

[jarrod]

Scott had doubts, but Jean had apathy. She had clearly moved on well before the marriage ended, maybe not overtly or self-consciously, but there was still an overwhelming sense of distance and disinterest from her. She didn't even really seem hurt when the affiar was revealed, moreso she seemed pissed at Emma for messing with her "property".

Really, while I could see something from Scott's perspective for getting back together (though admittedly it's chiefly guilt, not exactly the bedrock of any good relationship), there's literally nothing left for Jean in that though. She moved on awhile back, and if she ever returns this needs to be acknowledged first and foremost.

[Slung]

Fine, you can't believe it, but it doesn't make any sense. If Apocalypse's influences were so strong to the point he could change everything Scott believed, he wouldn't worry about Scott's marriage or his beloved Jean, but to his ideas, to show that Xavier's philosophy is a lot of bull, that Scott was an idiot for believe in them and not in the survival of the fittest, etc. It's like if he had control of Magneto, but instead of trying to make him go to his side, spend his days saying his children are incestuous (well, they are, but still:D ), or that Magda was a whore which use to sleep with the Nazis for money or something.
No, Apocalypse didn't do anything so straightforward, it wasn't mindcontrol. It was just everything good about Scott, what innocence and humanity were left in him, were sort of destroyed and he was left an empty husk of his former self that had to relearn how to be caring person - which he still hasn't fully recovered from. Scott was never Mr. Sensitive, but he started to come to a more emotionally healthy place prior to Apocalypse. Apocalypse left him brooding and emotionally distant.

nd his negative feelings were there way before anything with Emma, she didn't have to do anything.

Do you remember Jean and Scott having a problem before he merged with Apocalypse? Cause I sure don't. Unless you count when Psylocke was mentally seducing him.



No, it wasn't, even because he never did that before.
Scott left his first wife. And his child. I'd say that wins Scott loser of the year 1986. I'd say cheating on his second wife with the woman that helped drive said wife insane some time back was a regression of character. The "I must screw random woman" regression of character (see Colleen, Lee and Maddy for how quickly Scott runs after other women when he should be dealing with his own emotional issues).



Why would Jean, specially Phoenix Jean, remove Scott's guilt enough to move on to a woman... he just had the hots for, nothing more? And he would leave his wife (wish he was going to do, it's the only way HCT makes sense) for something minor?
Because otherwise there would be a dystopian future where Beast tried to destroy creation as we know it. Seems like a good reason to me.

And again, show me one issue in which Scott is lusting over Emma so much he couldn't even think straight. With Psylocke, there's plent of those, he wasn't even lusting for her at all before they begun the "treatment".
Well, Scott treated Jean like poo - rubbing indescretions in her face like a chimp with a turd. While Emma flaunted the affair like preening peacock. Not exactly the model of "love". More the model of a weird power trip from both Emma and Scott. It almost seemed they wanted to hurt Jean and that was the whole intent of the affair.

[Faded]

I think the X-World would be a lot less colorful without my Emma. Boooo to the notion of her leaving!

[Brian M.]

I think the X-World would be a lot less colorful without my Emma. Boooo to the notion of her leaving!

Not if we paint the X-World with her blood. It'll still be colorful

[xakko]

Not if we paint the X-World with her blood. It'll still be colorful

how can you say such hateful things about poor Emma?

when there is such an interesting story yet to be told between her and Scott?

for shame!

[Omega Alpha]

No, Apocalypse didn't do anything so straightforward, it wasn't mindcontrol. It was just everything good about Scott, what innocence and humanity were left in him, were sort of destroyed and he was left an empty husk of his former self that had to relearn how to be caring person - which he still hasn't fully recovered from. Scott was never Mr. Sensitive, but he started to come to a more emotionally healthy place prior to Apocalypse. Apocalypse left him brooding and emotionally distant.

Prior Apocalypse (in the 90's), Scott was being written as too happy and well-adjusted, Mr. Perfect X-man, by Lobdell, Seagle, Davis, all of them, and for Morrison that was a sign that, since he was never a very well adjusted person, he was repressing himself, pretending to be something he was not. Suffer that massive trauma (which could have been any very traumatic experience, really) made him open his eyes and that's why he was in this depressive state, and very confused about whom he was, although it was more because he didn't wanted to just leave Jean, not until the motivation (Emma) came.

As for you saying he was emotionally distant, that depends to whom; to Jean and Xavier, for sure, but he and Wolverine became closer, he and Xorn became friends quickly, which wasn't something that usual for him, and of course became close to Emma. In general, he became more distanced of the people he saw in a too positive light, better than he considered himself, and closer to the darkest people (since Xorn was intended to be Magneto, and now we see him as a crazy dude), whom he saw more as his equals, and the experience with Apocalypse made him a darker person



Do you remember Jean and Scott having a problem before he merged with Apocalypse? Cause I sure don't. Unless you count when Psylocke was mentally seducing him.

Exactly, what kind of couple don't have problems? Scott was repressing himself and merging with Apocalypse made him realize that.



Scott left his first wife. And his child. I'd say that wins Scott loser of the year 1986. I'd say cheating on his second wife with the woman that helped drive said wife insane some time back was a regression of character. The "I must screw random woman" regression of character (see Colleen, Lee and Maddy for how quickly Scott runs after other women when he should be dealing with his own emotional issues).

Scott doesn't see DPS Jean, or the Phoenix, as the real Jean, or at least didn't use to, and anyway, since she ended up coming back, he didn't think of Emma as evil, or at least stopped to after the NXM Annual, in which they seemingly talked all-night, or at least for sometime, and was probably there when some connection between them was formed.

As for why Scott was doing it, i think he was, probably unconsciously, trying to end his marriage. Someone who felt the way he did about Jean and his marriage can't really be still in love with her anymore. Yes, in that aspect, it's probably the same thing he did with Maddie, although in the first case he wasn't some cold jerk who just jumped into the arms of Jean, he had a major nervous breakdown and was running around New York for weeks without contact anyone, or doing anything. The worse he did wasn't going to see Jean, or "leaving" Maddie, since he wasn't intending to do that, but when he called Maddie and the phone was disconnected, not check on her until weeks after.

And it was not character regression because he had never really dealt with it before, another reason why his characterization in most the 90's was poor, and why Morrison thought he was lying to himself; but after Jean died, or even before that, when she found out about everything, he realized his mistakes and was going to live in self-loathing until he died, probably, and that's why now it would be character regression for him to do it.



Because otherwise there would be a dystopian future where Beast tried to destroy creation as we know it. Seems like a good reason to me.

Sublime had been eliminated already, and he did not have to be with Emma to be with the X-men.



Well, Scott treated Jean like poo - rubbing indescretions in her face like a chimp with a turd. While Emma flaunted the affair like preening peacock. Not exactly the model of "love".

No, it isn't, and Morrison never intended for it to be; it was intentionally a very weird and unconventional love story. Scott and Jean were the role model of love, and ended up becoming stagnated and boring.


More the model of a weird power trip from both Emma and Scott. It almost seemed they wanted to hurt Jean and that was the whole intent of the affair.

It wasn't; first, because Emma did not hated Jean before the affair, period. There is nothing in any issue that indicates any more than slight dislike, at best, and even so more because she wanted Scott. The hate begun with Jean mind-raping her and Emma falling for Scott. As for Scott, i already explained.

[Brian M.]

how can you say such hateful things about poor Emma?

when there is such an interesting story yet to be told between her and Scott?

for shame!

Pete Wisdom comes in and breaks up Kitty and Peter and starts dating Kitty. You don't want to lop off his head and use it in a game of kick ball?

[xakko]

Pete Wisdom comes in and breaks up Kitty and Peter and starts dating Kitty. You don't want to lop off his head and use it in a game of kick ball?

Hey, you're the one making fun by proposing a Juggernaut/Colossus pairing.

There is a very interesting story to be told between Emma and Scott - the breakup, when he realizes how she had manipulated him when she was supposed to be acting as his counselor. Then he can go off and beat himself up for being such a jerk about everything.

[Brian M.]

Hey, you're the one making fun by proposing a Juggernaut/Colossus pairing.

There is a very interesting story to be told between Emma and Scott - the breakup, when he realizes how she had manipulated him when she was supposed to be acting as his counselor. Then he can go off and beat himself up for being such a jerk about everything.

I was kidding bout the Colossus/Jugg fight. I'd love to see the Tin Can beat him.

I just don't like Emma. Tell the break up story, than as she walks out of the mansion, hit her w/ a bus.

[Omega Alpha]

Scott had doubts, but Jean had apathy. She had clearly moved on well before the marriage ended, maybe not overtly or self-consciously, but there was still an overwhelming sense of distance and disinterest from her. She didn't even really seem hurt when the affiar was revealed, moreso she seemed pissed at Emma for messing with her "property".

Really, while I could see something from Scott's perspective for getting back together (though admittedly it's chiefly guilt, not exactly the bedrock of any good relationship), there's literally nothing left for Jean in that though. She moved on awhile back, and if she ever returns this needs to be acknowledged first and foremost.

Haven't read that post, and you're 100% right. Jean wasn't exactly trying to save her marriage.


There is a very interesting story to be told between Emma and Scott - the breakup, when he realizes how she had manipulated him when she was supposed to be acting as his counselor. Then he can go off and beat himself up for being such a jerk about everything.

But she wasn't supposed be acting as his counselor.

[Fatguy]

Unless Jean is coming back. ;)

After all, Rachel's being left in space/limbo for the forseeable future

Did you hear that somewhere, or are you speculating? I kinda hope thats true. :o Or, I agree, she would be good in Excalibur again.

And little Tito Bohusk.

Tito Bohusk?? Man, if I ever have another kid, I am so naming the baby Tito Bohusk.

[Matthew K.]

I like Scott, Jean & Emma...no not in that threesome fashion, but as characters in the x-mythos.

I'd miss Emma if she left the books for some years


and i'm not reading uncanny, but is Rachel really being left stranded in space? WTF?

[Jake V]

Havok or Polaris aren't on either cover, are we supposed to jump to the conclusion that they die too?

The same goes for Warpath and Rachel.



Not being included on a cover doesn't equal death.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Sadly, yes it is. I'd rather they sent her over to Excalibur.

Me too. New Excalibur could use a few more of the original members back on board.

Screw that... Betsy and Alex is where sparks should fly. I love how she totally made out with him before shoving his buns into the Seige Perilous. :D

I'm always gutted that never went further. But I don't think Japanese Betsy and Alex click as well as British Betsy did. :(

I would not miss Emma Frost at all. I honestly think that she doesn't really have any proper purpose any more, that couldn't be served by anybody else. I find her boring. And nine times out of ten she's even written as If she were Jean.

I always liked the character before they paired her with Scott. But since then she's slowly been losing herreal character. She should have been with Sean or Iceman, anyway...:rolleyes:

[rZi]

If they were to kill Emma...i would simply stop reading all X-titles, thats how much i like her! =(

[The Sword Is Drawn]

If they were to kill Emma...i would simply stop reading all X-titles, thats how much i like her! =(

I wouldn't want her dead. Just off on her own agenda for a while.

[rilokyle]

I've been kinda indifferent to Emma over the past few years. I friggin' LOVED the woman when I first got into comics and began reading Generation X. I was like an Emma Frost whore and started buying all pre-Gen X Emma-centric issues of Uncanny X-Men. But ever since Morrison's run I've grown less and less fond of her. It probably has to do with her basically replacing Jean Grey. I dunno, Emma's been so mean and catty lately and I haven't really seen her shed any tears over the New X-Men deaths, which seems totally out of character considering how her Hellions were all slaughtered because of her. I would have liked to see Emma taken more initiative during that arc because the Emma I loved wouldn't have been so passive.

I actually miss Lobdell's Emma Frost- he wrote her the best in my opinion.

[Brian M.]

Blow that diamond hooker to bits and sell her to fund a new danger room.

[Faded]

Not if we paint the X-World with her blood. It'll still be colorful

Or we could just color the X-World with your jealousy? :D

[Brian M.]

Or we could just color the X-World with your jealousy? :D

I'll trade Emma Frost's life for 5 of your favorite C/D/Z-List character's lives. Deal?

[jarrod]

I quite liked Morrison's Emma, she actually reminded me of the cut throat Claremontian villian she used to be, rather than the mommy dearest she devolved into during Generation X (until Wood took over anyway). She was smart, she was shrewd, she was sexy... and she makes a nice counterpoint to Xaiver's other chosen "daughters" (Jean, Ororo and Kitty). Great stuff.

The Scott relationship works, though really I wouldn't be gutted if it ended either. Emma can stand on her own well enough, if anything it'd likely damage general interest in Scott moreso.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I actually miss Lobdell's Emma Frost- he wrote her the best in my opinion.

Much as though, in general, I've not been Lobdell's greatest fan when it comes to Gen X and Emma Frost I am 100% with you on that.

[Omega Alpha]

I've been kinda indifferent to Emma over the past few years. I friggin' LOVED the woman when I first got into comics and began reading Generation X. I was like an Emma Frost whore and started buying all pre-Gen X Emma-centric issues of Uncanny X-Men. But ever since Morrison's run I've grown less and less fond of her. It probably has to do with her basically replacing Jean Grey. I dunno, Emma's been so mean and catty lately and I haven't really seen her shed any tears over the New X-Men deaths, which seems totally out of character considering how her Hellions were all slaughtered because of her. I would have liked to see Emma taken more initiative during that arc because the Emma I loved wouldn't have been so passive.


But Emma was affected by the deaths of the New X-men, see #28 (the Ms. Marvel one) for that. And she's not replacing Jean, except as Scott's girlfriend. People say she stole the headmaster position, but Xavier is the one who was always headmaster, and Jean spent most of the time in which she had the position away from the mansion, and was still subordinate to Xavier, and besides, it's Scott's position too.

[Mr_Hellfire]

If they were to kill Emma...i would simply stop reading all X-titles, thats how much i like her! =(


YES! (Well, except for X-Factor, but Peter David is just too amazing)
Exactly, New X-Men and Astonishing X-Men would definitely be dropped from my list if Emma were taken out. I mean, look at the Astonishing team without her. Collossus, Shadowcat, Cyclops, Wolverine, and Beast. I'm sorry, I love Joss Whedon to death, I followed him from Buffy and Angel to here, but I still think there'd be no magic he could work to convince me to continue buying. I just need the bitch in a series to connect with.

I'm also surprised there's no extreme uproar about Lady Mastermind's character in X-Men, maybe I'm missing something, but she seems to be in the same position Emma formerly was in in New X-Men. Blonde femme fatale, with some sort of psychic ability that doesn't do ethics and has the same kind of gravity defying costume. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough for one.

[Faded]

I'll trade Emma Frost's life for 5 of your favorite C/D/Z-List character's lives. Deal?

Would you trade in Cyclops for Jean? We all want to bake our cake and eat it.

Although, Jean can have Scott if you want but leave Emms alone. As a Jean fan, I'm opposed to that union but I'd rather have that then not being able to have the two ladies coexist at all.

[tetragene]

I'd be extremely disappointed if Emma were killed off. I really got around to liking her in the Gen X issues I read, but when I picked up Astonishing (and then got trades of Morrion's run) I absolutely fell in love with the character. Her snark and moral ambiguousness makes her a fun read. There's nothing "perfect" or "god-like" about her--which is a lot more interesting to read about.

I think it'd be kind of stupid for Marvel to kill her off--especially if it'd just be to bring Jean back...who you know they're just going to eventually kill/sacrafice off again eventually because that's the only time she becomes really interesting enough for most people to care ;) Emma's gotten a lot of push since Astonishing--in and out of the comics, it'd be a pretty dumb move to off her.

[Brian M.]

Would you trade in Cyclops for Jean? We all want to bake our cake and eat it.

Although, Jean can have Scott if you want but leave Emms alone. As a Jean fan, I'm opposed to that union but I'd rather have that then not being able to have the two ladies coexist at all.


I'm sorry, but she must be put down like Old Yeller.

[Faded]

Wait...this post was lame. Move on.

Emma rules, you suck.

[Brian M.]

Don't hate the bitch, hate the dame.

Faded, not even out forbidden love can break the hatred I have for what Emma did. I'm completely biased and one-sided towards her.

[Brian M.]

Wait...this post was lame. Move on.

Emma rules, you suck.

Aw that hurts. Plus I quoted you already so that post will live on forever.

[Faded]

Aw that hurts. Plus I quoted you already so that post will live on forever.

You suck, as does my misinformed vocabulary bank.

[Brian M.]

You suck, as does my misinformed vocabulary bank.

Your words say "You suck" but your eyes say...the samething...but your mouth says...er...yea...well atleast your heart says...nevermine, cold hearted hooch.

[Yoel]

Lol, to be safe, they should say "the next 3 years of x-men continuity happens BEFORE the Astonishing arc" :)

Ain't that the truth!

[MAK15]

I was looking at the cover of Endangered Species, and also Bachalo's cover for 200...and I can't help but notice that Emma Frost is conspicuously absent from them.
And yet we know Beast is in Endangered Species. Cyke and Colossus are there. Pretty sure Kitty is on one of them.

And supposedly someone dies in Astonishing.

Suppose it's Emma Frost?

wouldnt that be nice?
I do not like her.

[Yoel]

YES! (Well, except for X-Factor, but Peter David is just too amazing)
Exactly, New X-Men and Astonishing X-Men would definitely be dropped from my list if Emma were taken out. I mean, look at the Astonishing team without her. Collossus, Shadowcat, Cyclops, Wolverine, and Beast.

So you read these titles for just one character?

Colossus, Shadowcat, Cyclops, Wolverine and Beast minus Emma?
Hmmm... sounds like a great team to me.

[Mr_Hellfire]

So you read these titles for just one character?

Colossus, Shadowcat, Cyclops, Wolverine and Beast minus Emma?
Hmmm... sounds like a great team to me.

I know a million and one people will hate me for this, but yes.

Colossus and Cyclops are fine, but they don't interest me much.
Shadowcat irritates me. Why, I'm not totally sure.
Wolverine and Beast are good characters, but egh.

I need an ice queen or a sassy bitch or even Jean Grey.
So yeah, I'd drop Astonishing and New X-Men at Emma's death or leaving the team. She's the reason why I got into the comic books (I was already a fan of the video games and movies, and I grew up on the TV shows).

[We R. Venom]

I know a million and one people will hate me for this, but yes.

Colossus and Cyclops are fine, but they don't interest me much.
Shadowcat irritates me. Why, I'm not totally sure.
Wolverine and Beast are good characters, but egh.

I need an ice queen or a sassy bitch or even Jean Grey.
So yeah, I'd drop Astonishing and New X-Men at Emma's death or leaving the team. She's the reason why I got into the comic books (I was already a fan of the video games and movies, and I grew up on the TV shows).

I don't hate you for that. Your opinion. One reason I don't buy Astonishing is the team. I only care about them when trades come out. I love the characters but i have to spend money on stuff i like more than them. My favorite character leaves the book or dies, so do I...depending.

[Mr_Hellfire]

I don't hate you for that. Your opinion. One reason I don't buy Astonishing is the team. I only care about them when trades come out. I love the characters but i have to spend money on stuff i like more than them. My favorite character leaves the book or dies, so do I...depending.

Mmm, well, I know a lot of people who've called me dumb when I said that. I don't see how that doesn't make sense, some comics books it wouldn't matter to me since they're just too well-written (Runaways and X-Factor), I love Joss, but Astonishing gets my $2.99 because I get to read my favorite elitist.

[tetragene]

Mmm, well, I know a lot of people who've called me dumb when I said that. I don't see how that doesn't make sense, some comics books it wouldn't matter to me since they're just too well-written (Runaways and X-Factor), I love Joss, but Astonishing gets my $2.99 because I get to read my favorite elitist.

There's nothing stupid about it--people have favorite characters and the comics they read will reflect that. Sure, some read books because they like the stories being told and then find a liking for the characters--but just as often people pick up books for one or two characters they've followed over the years. That's exactly why I picked up NEX

[Faded]

Mmm, well, I know a lot of people who've called me dumb when I said that. I don't see how that doesn't make sense, some comics books it wouldn't matter to me since they're just too well-written (Runaways and X-Factor), I love Joss, but Astonishing gets my $2.99 because I get to read my favorite elitist.

I agree with you. The Astonishing team, while containing some characters I like, are pretty bland team overall. Emma is the only real draw for me; the real flavor of the team, though Whedon makes me like several of the team members more than most other writers are able to.

[creaky]

I think the X-men concept centers more on the characters than the stories (which, let's face it, are pretty badly written more often than not) and always has. It follows naturally that many fans are mostly a fan of one or more characters. So wanting to drop a book due to the absence of your favorite character isn't stupid nor strange by any means, imo, and I don't see why it would be.

[Yoel]

I know a million and one people will hate me for this, but yes.

Colossus and Cyclops are fine, but they don't interest me much.
Shadowcat irritates me. Why, I'm not totally sure.
Wolverine and Beast are good characters, but egh.

I need an ice queen or a sassy bitch or even Jean Grey.
So yeah, I'd drop Astonishing and New X-Men at Emma's death or leaving the team. She's the reason why I got into the comic books (I was already a fan of the video games and movies, and I grew up on the TV shows).

Well, I don't hate you, thats for sure :D
I guess I found it a little odd simply because they're team books.

But each to their own... read on my friend!

[Sunlitspire]

To be honest with the way Whedon is writing astonishing at the mo I vote that he should be the one not coming back from the breakworld.

I mean I love the guy for firefly and Buffy but his x-men has really been a little poor by comparison with Grant Morrison's stuff. I'm hoping his runaways won't be this poor, whatever happens I don't feel he'll give the character who's going their fitting swansong and I think that will be a real shame

[MartinRedmond]

I wouldn't want her dead. Just off on her own agenda for a while.

In jail, where she belongs.

[LordAllMighty]

To be honest with the way Whedon is writing astonishing at the mo I vote that he should be the one not coming back from the breakworld.

I mean I love the guy for firefly and Buffy but his x-men has really been a little poor by comparison with Grant Morrison's stuff. I'm hoping his runaways won't be this poor, whatever happens I don't feel he'll give the character who's going their fitting swansong and I think that will be a real shame

I thought I was the only one on that boat. I like Joss but Astonishing X-Men, has never astonished me.:(

[tetragene]

I thought I was the only one on that boat. I like Joss but Astonishing X-Men, has never astonished me.:(

Every story hasn't hit me out of the ball park, but I've enjoyed most of them--and the characterization has really worked for me (good characterization can save an otherwise lackluster story IMHO). Compared to Uncanny and NEX, Astonishing has definitely been "astonishing" me ;)

[EmmaFrost]

I have posted this over and over again in various comic related threads stating that Emma Frost is going to be the one who bites the bullet.

Wolverine - Stays. We all know it's not going to be Wolverine because he's the poster child of mutant cool, is in almost every X-book, has 2 solo titles...and well, he's the best at what he does. No. 0/100

Lockheed - Stays. No one cares if the dragon dies and it really would have no effect on the story at all.

Hisako - ?. New character, very likeable, interesting powers, new X-Man...could this be the end of Hisako? I would think not considering she's new and having her die would really be of no importance. However, I have seen on various message boards including here that people would be saddened to see Hisako die. Could Whedon write her so that we love her, and then end up killing her in the end just for sadness?

Beast - ?. Nothing special has been going on with Beast unlike everyone else on the Astonishing team. I really don't think he will die because it wouldn't be anything like "wow."

Colossus - ?. Even though we just heard the news about Colossus appearing in World War Hulk, we still don't know if WWH happens before or after the Unstoppable arc. So I'm still uncertain whether he will live or die. The only thing I can think of if he does die is that he sacrifices himself for the team because he realizes how much trouble his presence is causing. However it would be a bit repetitive considering Colossus just came back from life and then having him die again. Not only that, we all know this has been done before and hopefully Marvel understands that we're getting sick of it.

Emma Frost - ?. *sighs* I have been thinking about this for a long time, and I have a major feeling that Emma Frost will be the one who dies...and I really hope I'm wrong. Why? Considering what happened in Torn, Emma suffered from extreme survivor's guilt and practically broke apart the team. We already saw she was willing to kill herself, even if it meant another teammate to take the job on, to stop Cassandra Nova from returning to full power. If someone does something like that once, more than likely they are going to attempt something of the same sort again. My bets are that the Cassandra Nova issue is not over and that we will see her return later on in the Unstoppable issues. If this happens, Emma is a telepath and obviously the only one to stop her so she could risk her life by saving the enitre team. I also feel that she does not feel entirely redeemed and cares deeply about redeeming herself. Also, I highly suspect Kitty and Emma will become best friends and then Emma will sacrifice herself in some way to earn the team's respect and to also redeem herself, which she deeply cares about.

Cyclops - ?. Long time leader of the X-Men, could this be the end of him? I hope not. He seemed to have finally broken out of his shell, and I'd like to see further characterization of him in the future considering he finally understands and clearly sees his deepest hurt and fault.

Kitty Pryde - ?. While I seem to be leaning to my theory of Emma dying, I've also been reading what other people say about Kitty. Kitty has been the center of attention in Astonishing X-Men and almost everythign revolves around her in some way or the other. Whedon could pull a tear jerker (as always) and kill Kitty by making her sacrifice herself. This will also give Colossus a valid reason to destroy Breakworld.


Joss Whedon is known for killing off main characters in his stories. According to Wikipedia:
Many characters die in Whedon's shows, especially the long-running Buffy. Extras and minor characters die as expected in action-based shows and movies, but Whedon also kills off main characters. He usually encourages the audience to care about the character before their death as part of "doing [his] job". On the Serenity DVD commentary, Whedon says that he'd rather have fans say "Why'd they kill (that guy)? I liked him!" than "Oh. He's dead. Turn the page". Whedon frequently kills off fan-favorite characters right after something very good happens to them.

Also:
In Astonishing X-Men #20, when Kitty said to Colossus:
"There's no set future, Peter. I know that as well as anyone. Just because they say you're a danger to this world doesn't mean it's written in stone."
Kitty was in the SAME situation with Wing when they were talking about the "cure":
"Wing, just 'cause someone goes on tv and says they have a "cure for mutation"...that doesn't mean that it's even true. And if it is, nobody's gonna force you on it."
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO WING!!! He was injected with the cure AND he died in the Danger Room.
Could this be the same fate for Colossus?

Also another theory about Emma:
The Stepford Cuckoos and Hisako are talking about reaching the X-Men via telepathy.
Stepford Cuckoos: Miss Frost has broken contact. Something is happening where she is. Something about Mister Summers. She's horrible in love with him. Love is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Look what it did to Esme. Miss Frost should be setting an example.
Ok, so look what it did to Esme. Could Emma die in Breakworld because of love, Scott, and sacrifice?

[EmmaFrost]

I have posted this over and over again in various comic related threads stating that Emma Frost is going to be the one who bites the bullet.

Wolverine - Stays. We all know it's not going to be Wolverine because he's the poster child of mutant cool, is in almost every X-book, has 2 solo titles...and well, he's the best at what he does. No. 0/100

Lockheed - Stays. No one cares if the dragon dies and it really would have no effect on the story at all.

Hisako - ?. New character, very likeable, interesting powers, new X-Man...could this be the end of Hisako? I would think not considering she's new and having her die would really be of no importance. However, I have seen on various message boards including here that people would be saddened to see Hisako die. Could Whedon write her so that we love her, and then end up killing her in the end just for sadness?

Beast - ?. Nothing special has been going on with Beast unlike everyone else on the Astonishing team. I really don't think he will die because it wouldn't be anything like "wow."

Colossus - ?. Even though we just heard the news about Colossus appearing in World War Hulk, we still don't know if WWH happens before or after the Unstoppable arc. So I'm still uncertain whether he will live or die. The only thing I can think of if he does die is that he sacrifices himself for the team because he realizes how much trouble his presence is causing. However it would be a bit repetitive considering Colossus just came back from life and then having him die again. Not only that, we all know this has been done before and hopefully Marvel understands that we're getting sick of it.

Emma Frost - ?. *sighs* I have been thinking about this for a long time, and I have a major feeling that Emma Frost will be the one who dies...and I really hope I'm wrong. Why? Considering what happened in Torn, Emma suffered from extreme survivor's guilt and practically broke apart the team. We already saw she was willing to kill herself, even if it meant another teammate to take the job on, to stop Cassandra Nova from returning to full power. If someone does something like that once, more than likely they are going to attempt something of the same sort again. My bets are that the Cassandra Nova issue is not over and that we will see her return later on in the Unstoppable issues. If this happens, Emma is a telepath and obviously the only one to stop her so she could risk her life by saving the enitre team. I also feel that she does not feel entirely redeemed and cares deeply about redeeming herself. Also, I highly suspect Kitty and Emma will become best friends and then Emma will sacrifice herself in some way to earn the team's respect and to also redeem herself, which she deeply cares about.

Cyclops - ?. Long time leader of the X-Men, could this be the end of him? I hope not. He seemed to have finally broken out of his shell, and I'd like to see further characterization of him in the future considering he finally understands and clearly sees his deepest hurt and fault.

Kitty Pryde - ?. While I seem to be leaning to my theory of Emma dying, I've also been reading what other people say about Kitty. Kitty has been the center of attention in Astonishing X-Men and almost everythign revolves around her in some way or the other. Whedon could pull a tear jerker (as always) and kill Kitty by making her sacrifice herself. This will also give Colossus a valid reason to destroy Breakworld.


Joss Whedon is known for killing off main characters in his stories. According to Wikipedia:
Many characters die in Whedon's shows, especially the long-running Buffy. Extras and minor characters die as expected in action-based shows and movies, but Whedon also kills off main characters. He usually encourages the audience to care about the character before their death as part of "doing [his] job". On the Serenity DVD commentary, Whedon says that he'd rather have fans say "Why'd they kill (that guy)? I liked him!" than "Oh. He's dead. Turn the page". Whedon frequently kills off fan-favorite characters right after something very good happens to them.

Also:
In Astonishing X-Men #20, when Kitty said to Colossus:
"There's no set future, Peter. I know that as well as anyone. Just because they say you're a danger to this world doesn't mean it's written in stone."
Kitty was in the SAME situation with Wing when they were talking about the "cure":
"Wing, just 'cause someone goes on tv and says they have a "cure for mutation"...that doesn't mean that it's even true. And if it is, nobody's gonna force you on it."
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO WING!!! He was injected with the cure AND he died in the Danger Room.
Could this be the same fate for Colossus?

Also another theory about Emma:
The Stepford Cuckoos and Hisako are talking about reaching the X-Men via telepathy.
Stepford Cuckoos: Miss Frost has broken contact. Something is happening where she is. Something about Mister Summers. She's horrible in love with him. Love is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Look what it did to Esme. Miss Frost should be setting an example.
Ok, so look what it did to Esme. Could Emma die in Breakworld because of love, Scott, and sacrifice?

[Pach!]

Apparently you've decided to post it again and again in this thread too..;)

[EmmaFrost]

Yeah, sorry about that. I clicked on the Quick Reply button twice and then refreshed and it came up wtih some weird error. Hopefully a mod can fix that. Again, sorry. :P

[Yoel]

I would enjoy the X books a hell of a lot more if Emma were not around.:D

[Sean Whitmore]

Awesome! I'd be so jazzed if they killed the most interesting addition to the X-Men in years. Count me in as stoked.


SEAN

[proteus]

I have posted this over and over again in various comic related threads stating that Emma Frost is going to be the one who bites the bullet.

Wolverine - Stays. We all know it's not going to be Wolverine because he's the poster child of mutant cool, is in almost every X-book, has 2 solo titles...and well, he's the best at what he does. No. 0/100

Lockheed - Stays. No one cares if the dragon dies and it really would have no effect on the story at all.

Hisako - ?. New character, very likeable, interesting powers, new X-Man...could this be the end of Hisako? I would think not considering she's new and having her die would really be of no importance. However, I have seen on various message boards including here that people would be saddened to see Hisako die. Could Whedon write her so that we love her, and then end up killing her in the end just for sadness?

Beast - ?. Nothing special has been going on with Beast unlike everyone else on the Astonishing team. I really don't think he will die because it wouldn't be anything like "wow."

Colossus - ?. Even though we just heard the news about Colossus appearing in World War Hulk, we still don't know if WWH happens before or after the Unstoppable arc. So I'm still uncertain whether he will live or die. The only thing I can think of if he does die is that he sacrifices himself for the team because he realizes how much trouble his presence is causing. However it would be a bit repetitive considering Colossus just came back from life and then having him die again. Not only that, we all know this has been done before and hopefully Marvel understands that we're getting sick of it.

Emma Frost - ?. *sighs* I have been thinking about this for a long time, and I have a major feeling that Emma Frost will be the one who dies...and I really hope I'm wrong. Why? Considering what happened in Torn, Emma suffered from extreme survivor's guilt and practically broke apart the team. We already saw she was willing to kill herself, even if it meant another teammate to take the job on, to stop Cassandra Nova from returning to full power. If someone does something like that once, more than likely they are going to attempt something of the same sort again. My bets are that the Cassandra Nova issue is not over and that we will see her return later on in the Unstoppable issues. If this happens, Emma is a telepath and obviously the only one to stop her so she could risk her life by saving the enitre team. I also feel that she does not feel entirely redeemed and cares deeply about redeeming herself. Also, I highly suspect Kitty and Emma will become best friends and then Emma will sacrifice herself in some way to earn the team's respect and to also redeem herself, which she deeply cares about.

Cyclops - ?. Long time leader of the X-Men, could this be the end of him? I hope not. He seemed to have finally broken out of his shell, and I'd like to see further characterization of him in the future considering he finally understands and clearly sees his deepest hurt and fault.

Kitty Pryde - ?. While I seem to be leaning to my theory of Emma dying, I've also been reading what other people say about Kitty. Kitty has been the center of attention in Astonishing X-Men and almost everythign revolves around her in some way or the other. Whedon could pull a tear jerker (as always) and kill Kitty by making her sacrifice herself. This will also give Colossus a valid reason to destroy Breakworld.


Joss Whedon is known for killing off main characters in his stories. According to Wikipedia:
Many characters die in Whedon's shows, especially the long-running Buffy. Extras and minor characters die as expected in action-based shows and movies, but Whedon also kills off main characters. He usually encourages the audience to care about the character before their death as part of "doing [his] job". On the Serenity DVD commentary, Whedon says that he'd rather have fans say "Why'd they kill (that guy)? I liked him!" than "Oh. He's dead. Turn the page". Whedon frequently kills off fan-favorite characters right after something very good happens to them.

Also:
In Astonishing X-Men #20, when Kitty said to Colossus:
"There's no set future, Peter. I know that as well as anyone. Just because they say you're a danger to this world doesn't mean it's written in stone."
Kitty was in the SAME situation with Wing when they were talking about the "cure":
"Wing, just 'cause someone goes on tv and says they have a "cure for mutation"...that doesn't mean that it's even true. And if it is, nobody's gonna force you on it."
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO WING!!! He was injected with the cure AND he died in the Danger Room.
Could this be the same fate for Colossus?

Also another theory about Emma:
The Stepford Cuckoos and Hisako are talking about reaching the X-Men via telepathy.
Stepford Cuckoos: Miss Frost has broken contact. Something is happening where she is. Something about Mister Summers. She's horrible in love with him. Love is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Look what it did to Esme. Miss Frost should be setting an example.
Ok, so look what it did to Esme. Could Emma die in Breakworld because of love, Scott, and sacrifice?



There is no way that they are killing off Emma.

[Omega Alpha]

There is no way that they are killing off Emma.

If they killed even Cap. America, why not Emma?

Although i don't think she will.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Emma has too vital a role in New X-Men and they even mentioned calling for her help when they brought Rogue to Providence in X-men. She also has that "vengence" thing against Phoenix/Jean for what happened to the cuckoos. They aren't going to kill her with those open/running storylines.

I don't think they're going to kill her "off panel" in New X-men, especially given all the death that book has seen.

Emma's become a very popular character (rival to wolverine) they aren't going to kill her.

My vote goes to Kitty Pryde...Joss has pushed her to the forefront for every storyarc since the book began....there really isn't much anyone can do with her except kill her...and if colossus really is the destroyer of the breakworld...we all know Kitty dying would be the catalyst for him to actuallly do that.

Emma doesn't really have a role in Breakworld and I dont think they're going to kill a character that isn't ''up front"

[Brian M.]

Maybe Emma will get left out in outer space. Stuck in her diamond form just floating. Then she'll fall into a star. After that the star will go supernova and scatter little pieces of Emma all over...then a black hole forms and sucks all those little pieces into where the hell the stuff goes after it gets sucked into a black hole.


Good times.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Maybe Emma will get left out in outer space. Stuck in her diamond form just floating. Then she'll fall into a star. After that the star will go supernova and scatter little pieces of Emma all over...then a black hole forms and sucks all those little pieces into where the hell the stuff goes after it gets sucked into a black hole.


Good times.

You know you get on people's backsides about talking about of line....but if you have nothing to add to this coversation why not just stay out of it instead of baiting people into an argument....and you say I'M 11 years old.

[Brian M.]

You know you get on people's backsides about talking about of line....but if you have nothing to add to this coversation why not just stay out of it instead of baiting people into an argument....and you say I'M 11 years old.

The name of the thread is No Emma Frost...I'm just talking about ways to achieve that.

[Post-It]

She should live but I have always felth that Emma doesnt belong on the Astonishing squad. As far as a need for a telepath leave Jean dead and finally let Rachel step into the limelight.

Emma is always at her best being ruthless, cold, and diabolical while at the same time caring for the children and willing to do anything for them. She is at her best in New Xmen helping to train and protect young students as she did with the Hellions and Gen X. Hopefully third time is a charm.

[Omega Alpha]

She should live but I have always felth that Emma doesnt belong on the Astonishing squad. As far as a need for a telepath leave Jean dead and finally let Rachel step into the limelight.

Rachel is in another book. Plus, Astonishing is a PR team, so the alternate future daugter of the team leader and his deceased wife with whom he had no kids and had no intention to have is not a good fit. Specially considering how she can't stop whining about her mother. Emma is a sucessful businesswoman and a teacher, she is perfect to the team.


Emma is always at her best being ruthless, cold, and diabolical while at the same time caring for the children and willing to do anything for them. She is at her best in New Xmen helping to train and protect young students as she did with the Hellions and Gen X. Hopefully third time is a charm.

She can do both things, which is exactly what she is doing right now.

[Diablito]

As long as Armor and Lockheed don't die, I'll be happy. Beast will survive because he's Endangered Species main character. I doubt Cyclops will die, or Colossus. That leaves only White Queen and Shadowcat (hopefully).

[proteus]

As long as Armor and Lockheed don't die, I'll be happy. Beast will survive because he's Endangered Species main character. I doubt Cyclops will die, or Colossus. That leaves only White Queen and Shadowcat (hopefully).


Emma is too vital to the other X books. That only leaves Colossus or Kitty.

[Slung]

She should live but I have always felth that Emma doesnt belong on the Astonishing squad. As far as a need for a telepath leave Jean dead and finally let Rachel step into the limelight.


Yeah but no. Leave Rachel in space and put Jean in the limelight - which is where she looks best.

[jarrod]

Leave Kitty, Lockheed and Peter in space, have them meet up with Rachel, Alex and Lorna, then make that the new Astonishing team.

[Affinity]

Is someone CONFIRMED to die?

[Flight]

Or even better, leave the lot of them up there and we would have 6 less X-Men, 1 whiny brat and no stupid purple dragon.
And no pointless 3rd ongoing core X-Book.

[Sean Whitmore]

Or even better, leave the lot of them up there and we would have 6 less X-Men, 1 whiny brat and no stupid purple dragon.
And no pointless 3rd ongoing core X-Book.

Huh. I like the Astonishing team, and I'd STILL have a hard time arguing this.


SEAN

[rwsmith]

I agree that Astonishing should be cancelled too, but the characters ought to just be folded into the other two books IMO. Give Bru and Carey the characters that they want of the Astonishing cast.

I know Carey would want Cyke, Emma and Beast; so give Bru Wolverine, Colossus, Hisako and Shadowcat. I think those four would mesh well with Warpath, Nightcrawler, Darwin and Archangel.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

No one should use Hisako.

[rwsmith]

Why not? She and Darwin are some of the coolest characters created in the last ten years IMO. Certainly better than any of the following IMO: Thunderturd III, Slipstream, Lifeguard, Sketch, Karima the Sentinel Girl, and Lady Mastermind

[Sean Whitmore]

Why not? She and Darwin are some of the coolest characters created in the last ten years IMO.

I agree (about Hisako, at least), but jeez, talk about a backhanded compliment. :)


SEAN

[Deus ex Chris]

Why not? She and Darwin are some of the coolest characters created in the last ten years IMO. Certainly better than any of the following IMO: Thunderturd III, Slipstream, Lifeguard, Sketch, Karima the Sentinel Girl, and Lady Mastermind
I agree.


God, Sketch...talk about lame.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

The name of the thread is No Emma Frost...I'm just talking about ways to achieve that.

The thread is about whether or not Emma is coming back after "Unstoppable" just because she isn't depicted on the Bachalo version for the cover of X-Men #200....this isn't an anti-Emma Frost thread.

There are two things I know about you:
#1 you have a problem with Emma Frost
#2 you have a problem with me

If you dont' have an opinion or anything constructive to say about who is returning after the latest arc in Astonishing...go to some other thread and troll around we don't need your vile hatred:mad:

[rwsmith]

Um, a bit of a hypocrite, aren't you, ICEF? I've seen you make plenty of similar comments about characters you don't like (including Wolverine, who is my personal favorite).

Learn not to take it so personally. Just because someone doesn't like your favorite character doesn't mean they don't like you or are attacking you in any way.

To put it bluntly, YOU ARE NOT EMMA FROST! Sorry to be the one who has to break the news to you.

[Brian M.]

The thread is about whether or not Emma is coming back after "Unstoppable" just because she isn't depicted on the Bachalo version for the cover of X-Men #200....this isn't an anti-Emma Frost thread.

There are two things I know about you:
#1 you have a problem with Emma Frost
#2 you have a problem with me

If you dont' have an opinion or anything constructive to say about who is returning after the latest arc in Astonishing...go to some other thread and troll around we don't need your vile hatred:mad:

#1 Correct 100% I hate her.
#2 I could care less about you.

No one else seems to have a problem with it but you. So get over it kid.