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ivesaidway2much

03-16-2007, 11:56 AM

I really must confess this just feeds my fair that we're getting an entire summer of "Hey everyone! Look at how cool Hulk is! Ignore what's possible and what's not, cos if we say so Hulk can do ANYTHING!"The Hulk has pulled a planet together with his bare hands, lifted 150 billion ton mountain ranges, one-punched an asteroid, and survived numerous nuclear explosions (including one back when Bruce Banner was a regular human). He passed the realm of what was possible a long, long time ago.

Am I the only one that wonders how Medusa survives that?Probably. I'm still trying to get past the whole speaking in the vacuum of space thing.

Ice'Lord

03-16-2007, 12:05 PM

So glad Hulk returned. Although I like Blackbolt, I wanted Hulk to have at least one victory over the Inhuman.

Magneto Rocks

03-16-2007, 12:07 PM

I'm still sated by the fact that when the smashing is done and the dust settles, Hulk will have completely failed to impact the Fifty States Initiative and Iron Man's work won't be for nothing ;)

Kid Quick Foots

03-16-2007, 12:11 PM

I really must confess this just feeds my fair that we're getting an entire summer of "Hey everyone! Look at how cool Hulk is! Ignore what's possible and what's not, cos if we say so Hulk can do ANYTHING!"

yup, thats what this big event is going to be about. get ready to see ANY and EVERYONE who may have stood even a fraction of a chance in a fight with the hulk get creamed.

so now all the fanboys can say that he indeed is the strongest there is.

Dark Soul # 7

03-16-2007, 12:32 PM

nice to see black bolt getting so much playtime with the big guns of the muIndeed, first he'll fight the Sentry in a few months and then the Hulk himself.

And it's drawn by JRJR. That rocks.

Alcoholic

03-16-2007, 12:42 PM

Man I can't wait for this!! I really hope Hulk punishes them all and makes them all scream :evilsmile

Dark Soul # 7

03-16-2007, 12:42 PM

yup, thats what this big event is going to be about. get ready to see ANY and EVERYONE who may have stood even a fraction of a chance in a fight with the hulk get creamed.

so now all the fanboys can say that he indeed is the strongest there is.Hulk beating a lot of really strong people isn't the problem, at least IMO.

It's HOW he beats them.
In Planet Hulk there was at least an explination for why he was able to defeat Silver Surfer. I'm sure he just won't be throwing guts like Dr.Strange and Sentry around like rag dolls. He will have to work for it.

Pendaran

03-16-2007, 12:54 PM

Hulk beating a lot of really strong people isn't the problem, at least IMO.

It's HOW he beats them.

I dunno, preview art shows him basically only being knocked back with some cutting and bruising by an attack that's taken him out even when so angry he's intent on murder, so *shrug* I think I'll actually agree with this:

I really must confess this just feeds my fair that we're getting an entire summer of "Hey everyone! Look at how cool Hulk is! Ignore what's possible and what's not, cos if we say so Hulk can do ANYTHING!"

We'll see if Pak bothers to explain that kind of thing like he did with the Surfer, or if this is basically OWAW for the Hulk. Otherwise, the dialogue seems to basically almost be some unsubtle exposition for "I'm going to show the Hulk bouncing every attack that's previously beaten him!", which would mean Strange will dimension zap him and fail, while the Hulk breaks into the house his strength couldn't before affect, Tony will fry his armour all into one punch and fail, and Reed will bust out that gun he took out the Hulk with before and watch it do jack.

Then again, it might be like the Surfer fight, where Pak bothers to forward an explination for such things *shrug* We'll see.

On the other hand, the preview is kind of funny for the people who've been saying the Hulk will bust out new and different strategies for dealing with stuff like Bolt's voice, Strange's magic, and etc. I wouldn't really expect vast amounts of strategizing from the Hulk anywho. It would seem sort of out of type.

wulfstone

03-16-2007, 02:00 PM

For people wondering how they are speaking on the moon i presume they are in the Blue area where there is air

agirlyman

03-16-2007, 02:22 PM

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA_07/Marvel/mondo.html

Hulk is back! enjoy guys!

General grievous

Fan Fargin tastic! I hope the Hulk rips out Black Bolts tongue, then eats it. Strangling him with Medusa's hair would be funny too!

Lmfao!

Ravenheart

03-16-2007, 02:36 PM

That looks freakin sweet.I cannot wait for this to start :D

1WEBHEAD

03-16-2007, 02:40 PM

Fan Fargin tastic! I hope the Hulk rips out Black Bolts tongue, then eats it. Strangling him with Medusa's hair would be funny too!

Lmfao!

Awesome! Even though thats a great idea, I'll feel bad for Blackbolt and Medusa, they had no intention of shooting Hulk into space unlike some people I know.:rolleyes: Anyway,what an awesome preview, I'm glad I jumped on the "Planet Hulk" bandwagon before it was too late.:)

Dusty.

03-16-2007, 02:45 PM

I have no idea why the regular Iron-Man team would not be doing their issue of the tie-in, but I was very happy to see an old favorite of mine, Jackson Guice, doing something for Marvel again. I hope it's just the beginning. It'll be interesting to see how different it looks from when Guice was on the series for 10 issues when Michelinie and Layton were doing it. Now that I think about it, Guice would be a great choice to work with Dave and Bob on their current IM stuff.

Back to WWH, I'm not that interested in buying anything I don't normally buy. I don't need to have tie-in specials and the like, just the WWH mini (with John Romita Jr.), the regular Hulk series (with Gary Frank), and stuff I was getting anyway, like Iron-Man. (mostly getting this for Guice, since it's not the regular team)

Red Lotus

03-16-2007, 02:46 PM

I really must confess this just feeds my fair that we're getting an entire summer of "Hey everyone! Look at how cool Hulk is! Ignore what's possible and what's not, cos if we say so Hulk can do ANYTHING!"

I think its too late. Ever since Hulk went to space it has felt like his return would be the Hulk is cool summer tour. Maybe they will bring back Wanda and she can say no more Hulk.

Haunt

03-16-2007, 02:51 PM

i hate Humbug. why do they keep giving that poseur a new costume?

Sam T.

03-16-2007, 03:33 PM

Ghost Rider is going to fight the Hulk?!? Now that is nuts! But i'm on board for this whole thing anyways!!

Capt Hunter

03-16-2007, 04:15 PM

OMFG.... excuse the language... Just two years ago, I had almost given up on Marvel... almost...

Those 4 pages has just sold me on World War Hulk... I thought I was event tired... I just hit the wall and climbed over it... I love summer blockbuster comics.... And Endangered Species and Annihilation: Conquest this Fall.... DC is gonna take a beating from me....

Hulk is back...

Spider-Sense

03-16-2007, 04:44 PM

"I wanna hear you scream""

I'm sold!

Magneto Rocks

03-16-2007, 04:53 PM

Would no-one else love it if Black Bolt responded by screaming and blew Hulk into the Sun? :evilsmile

Expletive Deleted

03-16-2007, 04:56 PM

Would no-one else love it if Black Bolt responded by screaming and blew Hulk into the Sun?It'd make for a disappointingly short mini-series.

Mike Smash!

03-16-2007, 05:05 PM

Now that was awesome. I look forward to seeing the Hulk kick the crap out of the people who chucked him into space.

It'll be interesting to see which heroes take the Hulk's side? Namor, perhaps? He's certainly pissed at Stark and he was adamantly opposed to what they did to Hulk.

Magneto Rocks

03-16-2007, 05:09 PM

It'd make for a disappointingly short mini-series.

But it would so be worth it! Plus no one could complain about needing to read the tie-ins to get what happened!

ivesaidway2much

03-16-2007, 05:12 PM

But it would so be worth it! Plus no one could complain about needing to read the tie-ins to get what happened!I doubt Black Bolt would consider killing his wife and destroying his own city to be worth it.

Gaastra

03-16-2007, 05:22 PM

"Does Hulk have a reaction to Cap's death" - Brevoort: "He cries."

Sounds like hulk is mad about caps death to.

I was upset about cw but will get world war hulk.

Expletive Deleted

03-16-2007, 05:25 PM

"Does Hulk have a reaction to Cap's death" - Brevoort: "He cries."

Sounds like hulk is mad about caps death to.
That was a joke.

I mean, I'm not saying Hulk might not be mad about Cap (I mean, it's possible), but the "crying superheroes" thing is a running gag.

Dark Soul # 7

03-16-2007, 05:30 PM

Would no-one else love it if Black Bolt responded by screaming and blew Hulk into the Sun? :evilsmileI'd be happy if B.B just says "Whatever." and thereby sends Hulk crashing down to Earth.

drwho

03-16-2007, 07:30 PM

Please Marvel dont let this just be a BS cover. Actually make Ghost Rider a decent crossover with this event.

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA_07/Marvel/mondo/GR_12.jpg

Pendaran

03-16-2007, 07:39 PM

Well, Johnny did already beat up Doctor Strange to a certain degree, not that that was.. er.. written well.

sherlockbones

03-16-2007, 07:39 PM

I'd be happy if B.B just says "Whatever." and thereby sends Hulk crashing down to Earth.

good guess, i just can´t picture the hulk capturing some vehicle/teleport device...but that would take some steam out of the wwh intro, hulk beaten in the first round.

humhom, maybe not, comet-man hulk smashing down to earth

Mike Smash!

03-16-2007, 07:41 PM

The Hulk has pulled a planet together with his bare hands, lifted 150 billion ton mountain ranges, one-punched an asteroid, and survived numerous nuclear explosions (including one back when Bruce Banner was a regular human). He passed the realm of what was possible a long, long time ago.

Probably. I'm still trying to get past the whole speaking in the vacuum of space thing.

What he said. The Hulk's career has basically been a string of "holy crap" feats of strength.

I look forward to him kicking some ass.

Captain_Video

03-16-2007, 07:44 PM

You can always ALWAYS rely on Hulk in these big crossovers, there is not a single one in which Hulk hasnt been the voice of reason who stays out of the whole thing.

I really am looking forward to seeing Hulk smash the Marvel Universe, it has been years since a Marvel project has excited me as much.

( though I do heartily recommend Dr Strange Blood Oath and Irredeemable Ant Man )

Magneto_X

03-16-2007, 07:50 PM

I'm sold on that.

May even get the tie-ins, too.

Reptisaurus!

03-16-2007, 07:53 PM

Oh gawd.

I'm 30.

I've been buyin' comics, since... whenever.

I haven't bought an issue of any crossover since Secret Wars II # 9. (I thought it was really, really, good at the time.)

But this, man. This looks pretty cool.

MaxofSteel

03-16-2007, 08:13 PM

The following is an understatement:

World War Hulk will be good.

:p

PatchMadripoor

03-16-2007, 08:23 PM

Hulk has jumped off the moon of Sakaar back to the main planet on his own power, and took the crash and freefall through the atmosphere like it was nothing. Yeah, he's gotten STRONGER.

I can't wait.

"I want to hear you scream."

vazel

03-16-2007, 08:38 PM

OMG those four pages gave me goosebumps this is going to be awesome.

Hulk said 'killed my world', it was only one city that was destroyed. Or nuclear winter caused havoc on the rest? Or by world did he mean Caeira. I hope it isn't that one.

Hrungr

03-16-2007, 09:19 PM

Found this on another board - a preview page of Iron Man #19

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/Grenloke/IM19.jpg

It looks like Tony sic's a bunch o' IM drones on the Hulk...

... for all the good they do 'im. :D

Chicken.

patch

03-16-2007, 11:07 PM

i am so ready for another wallet draining crossover :D

but i hate how they left a fat-honkin spoiler in those preview pages :mad:

the film freak

03-16-2007, 11:07 PM

UniqueFrequency

03-16-2007, 11:19 PM

awesome 4 pages. almost makes me wanna pick it up but i'm not feeling motivated to pay $4 for it. will probably wait for the trade. especially after Civil War...

Destro777

03-16-2007, 11:30 PM

That preview is just rediculously awesome. How the hell could you NOT want to buy that? That is what comics are all about baby! Hulk better smash everyone! Bring it on!

Hulk_Is

03-16-2007, 11:55 PM

Thank you for those previews, man!!!

Even though I really didn't wanna actually read those pages.... I did. :( But it was worth it!

And to everyone who thinks this is gonna be about Hulk basically creaming everybody... I gotta say, "Happen Not Gonna!" The people Hulk's gonna gun down range from: "I wouldn't wanna be him/her" to merely having the power to turn the Hulk inside out with little to no problem. Black Bolt only whispered, sure it worked before to KO the Hulk, but we've got to realize somethin'...; this is a sharply enraged Hulk (which means he's only gonna get stronger and more durable) who basically fine-tuned his abilities and who has revenge on his heart! He may not be shown to fall in this series (though he may), but he's not gonna flatten those that can't be flattened.

Cheers everybody! :)

Nate Grey

03-17-2007, 12:27 AM

I'm sold. But I think this is actually "Build Up Iron Man Before His Movie Drops part 2". I'd bet money it at least ends that way. But until then I'll enjoy seeing Hulk beat up on these "heroes".

HeckBoy

03-17-2007, 12:27 AM

Damn, nice previews. I'm looking forward to this. I just hope they don't water down Black Bolt too much (since it is World War Hulk, I don't see him winning this round).

Nate Grey

03-17-2007, 12:31 AM

beetheb

03-17-2007, 12:47 AM

I really must confess this just feeds my fair that we're getting an entire summer of "Hey everyone! Look at how cool Hulk is! Ignore what's possible and what's not, cos if we say so Hulk can do ANYTHING!"

Ignore whats possible? These are comics, anything is possible. Thats the beauty of them.

I for one think it is completely awesome that Hulk stood up to Black Bolts voice, not many beings in the MU that can claim that. Hell not only did he stand up to it, it made him madder...

You have to remember something about Hulk, he's damn near indestructible. About the only thing thats going to take him out is an uber-powered cosmic being, or perhaps being thrown into the sun or something....(which, incidentally, would kill Black Bolt too.)

Will.S

03-17-2007, 08:07 AM

Awesome preview, WWH is going to have some interesting fights that's for sure but the preview does spoil what happens to Sakaar :/

You have to remember something about Hulk, he's damn near indestructible. About the only thing thats going to take him out is an uber-powered cosmic being, or perhaps being thrown into the sun or something....(which, incidentally, would kill Black Bolt too.)
Sentry, Black Bolt and Dr. Strange would generally do very well against Hulk but this Hulk is apparently in Savage Hulk level strength and endurance from what I'm seeing. Hopefully we'll get some logically written fights but this opening preview with Black Bolt looks like a pretty good portrayal so far.

MrPunch0

03-17-2007, 08:10 AM

DAMN YOU MARVEL!

I so wasn't interested in this. I avoided picking up Planet Hulk - thinking I might give it a shot when the TPB comes out.

Now you put out preview pages like this and I can't wait for WWH.

I'm dying to see Hulk slap everyone around like little punks. :D

domat

03-17-2007, 09:56 AM

does Black bolt have some power where he can stand his ground and nothing can move him? Hulk had his arm. Why wasn't it ripped off?

Xanrn

03-17-2007, 11:09 AM

Cause he is the Goddam Black Bolt.

I get the feeling this who WWH is going to pretty much every fan boy of moon/earth based character whine before the end.

OMG Hulk shouldn't be able to beat *insert character here*.

OMG *insert character here* shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with Hulk.

OMG Hulk shouldn't lose to *insert character here* EVER!

Also the Hulkboi's are going to go complete spare when it ends with Hulk defeated after a giant kicking from Sentry/Returned Thor.

That Ghost Rider cover rocks to the Nth degree mind, ha maybe it ends with Blaze penence staring the Hulk.

Should have just left the Evil Green Giant in space.

HeckBoy

03-17-2007, 11:44 AM

From the WWH Solicitations:

INCREDIBLE HULK #107
Written by GREG PAK
Pencils and Cover by GARY FRANK
The Illuminati called the Hulk a monster -- and shot him into space. But Amadeus Cho, the boy genius who took on Reed Richards in INCREDIBLE HULK #100, calls the Hulk a hero -- and prepares for his return. With just his big brain, a lot of guts and a few billion dollars stolen from Warren Worthington III, Cho tackles the insane task of building a team of heroes willing to side with the Hulk against the rest of the Marvel Universe. Will Hercules and Angel become the Hulk's Champions? Will Namor be his Defender? And what happens when the Prince of Power meets the Green King on Manhattan's shattered streets?
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Damn, a few BILLION dollars? I don't think Warren's gonna be all too happy to side with the Hulk for that price.:p

Johnny Blaze

03-17-2007, 01:50 PM

Ghost Rider vs Hulk is going to be AWESOME. They faced off in GR volume 1 ages and ages ago. I'm really looking forward to WWH.

thronzeblast

03-19-2007, 11:47 AM

I really must confess this just feeds my fair that we're getting an entire summer of "Hey everyone! Look at how cool Hulk is! Ignore what's possible and what's not, cos if we say so Hulk can do ANYTHING!"

The hulk has done some pretty incredible things over the years,I still remember the onslaught saga when they through the xmen,the avenger,thor pretty much everyone you can think of and in the end it was hulk and hulk alone who took him down.

Pendaran

03-19-2007, 11:49 AM

The hulk has done some pretty incredible things over the years,I still remember the onslaught saga when they through the xmen,the avenger,thor pretty much everyone you can think of and in the end it was hulk and hulk alone who took him down.

Actually, the Hulk only shattered his physical form. The Avengers, Fantastic Four and various others had to sacrifice their lives (though Franklin last minute shunted them into a pocket universe) to take Onslaught down by absorbing his energies into themselves while the X-men then attacked them. Y'know, it lead to the whole Heroes Reborn thing that happened immediately after?

PatchMadripoor

03-19-2007, 12:57 PM

does Black bolt have some power where he can stand his ground and nothing can move him? Hulk had his arm. Why wasn't it ripped off?

Part of Black Bolt's power lies in his ability to take ambient electrons around him and focus them, the most evident in his voice that can shatter mountains or molecules. The ambient electrons can also be harness into Black Bolt's physical form to add to his already formidable strength and to bolster his endurance. That, and his body should be used to extreme forces being applied to it, otherwise his own voice would shred his body.

Gnarl

03-19-2007, 02:07 PM

The threat of Black Bolts voice has made cosmics like Watchers blanch before. Isn't Black Bolt supposed to be magnified by posession of an Infinity Gem recently as well?

I just can't see any result of Hulk winning vs. Infinty Gem wielding Black Bolt as anything but laughable. No matter how angry or powered up Hulk is.

Pendaran

03-19-2007, 02:08 PM

They're not going to be using the gems, as far as the crossover. Marvel editorial has noted there'll be some sort of nod as to why, aside from that they all swore never to use the gems.

As for the voice, yeah. This is why some people have noted that it smacks of jobbing, if you scroll a few pages back. It really depends how the rest of that fight goes and if Bolt uses his voice above a whisper.

Then again, some other people posted the equivalent of saying that they think only Galactus and his ilk can beat the Hulk, so presumably they're just fine with this stuff.

Gnarl

03-19-2007, 02:10 PM

Ah. Without the Gem, a powered-up, deeply angry Hulk has a shot. Not necessarily a great one, but it won't be as bad if he wins.

hoffmandu

03-19-2007, 02:24 PM

Anyone else have a problem with someone screaming in space?

Pendaran

03-19-2007, 02:28 PM

To get all comic book geeky about things:

Attilan is in the distance, that means they're in the Blue Area of the Moon, which has an atmosphere and allows for talking. Don't ask, it just does.

Omega Alpha

03-19-2007, 02:48 PM

To get all comic book geeky about things:

Attilan is in the distance, that means they're in the Blue Area of the Moon, which has an atmosphere and allows for talking. Don't ask, it just does.

Maybe the fact they are still in space reduces the impact of BB's power, and that and Medusa being right there explain why Hulk was able to withstand his scream, and will kick BB's ass.

Pendaran

03-19-2007, 02:50 PM

Maybe the fact they are still in space reduces the impact of BB's power, and that and Medusa being right there explain why Hulk was able to withstand his scream, and will kick BB's ass.

Guy's used his power in space before just fine really. I was refering to people boggling that they're talking at all.

People have spoken and etc in the blue area of the moon since the Dark Phoenix saga.

Aztec Ace

03-19-2007, 02:57 PM

Is it my imagination or is the Hulk a bit out of his mind. I mean more crazy than he usually is.

XPac

03-19-2007, 02:59 PM

Maybe the fact they are still in space reduces the impact of BB's power, and that and Medusa being right there explain why Hulk was able to withstand his scream, and will kick BB's ass.

Just speculating here... but if Hulk takes the fight right to Black Bolts doorstep, he might be forced to hold back.

Hulk is pretty tough... a scream powerful enough to take him out could do a LOT of damage to his own city (not to mention the people in it).

Smokeyjay

03-19-2007, 03:55 PM

We don't really know to the extent what happened though to Hulk.

Maybe he loses his wife and child as well as his city.

The anger could have made him way more powerful than he was before.

beetheb

03-19-2007, 11:00 PM

Hulk is pretty tough... a scream powerful enough to take him out could do a LOT of damage to his own city (not to mention the people in it).

Which is exactly why Black Bolt can't use his voice when they fight in NYC (if they fight in NYC, I guess I should say.) One whisper would blow up the Bronx...

Kevinroc

03-19-2007, 11:13 PM

Is it my imagination or is the Hulk a bit out of his mind. I mean more crazy than he usually is.

Hulk's still kinda pissed at the whole "being exiled" thing and he blames The Illuminati for the destruction that we saw in Hulk #104 (which probably leads to the planet being destroyed in #105)...

And his pregnant wife may or may not be dead... We don't know that yet (but it's worth noting that she might be).

And then he had time to sit and think about his history with the various members of The Illuminati before he came back to Earth.

And that's on top of his usual general craziness. So I'd say he's pretty damned strong going into WWH.

Nefarius

03-20-2007, 01:50 AM

"I want to hear you scream"

Man,it's going to be great....

voltron

03-20-2007, 06:42 AM

Do you know what would be really gay
if the world was destroyed, hulk is made with grief because his wife died
he comes back for revenge, and is on the verge of getting it.......
and then his wife arrives in a space ship, not dead afterall
and convinces hulk to stay his hand.....
so the heroes are happy cuz he has a wife to control him.
and he's happy cuz he has his wife back

Rf2j

03-20-2007, 08:18 AM

Ah. Without the Gem, a powered-up, deeply angry Hulk has a shot. Not necessarily a great one, but it won't be as bad if he wins.

Well, according to that last preview page, I'd say it's only one step away from a flattened Black Bolt :D

He had his chance and he decided to use it for whispering.

scottv

03-20-2007, 11:18 AM

That looks like it is going to be pretty sweet!

chrismileslord

03-21-2007, 03:07 PM

so hulk basically is going to make Black Bolt destory part of his world to win. Sweet revenge anyone?

XPac

03-21-2007, 04:02 PM

so hulk basically is going to make Black Bolt destory part of his world to win. Sweet revenge anyone?

Ya almost gotta feel bad for the Inhumans. They will likely be getting it from both sides. Silent War hasn't exactly put them in a good relationship with the US and SHIELD, and his involvement with the Illuminati is obviously getting him on the wrong side of the Hulk.

superion

03-21-2007, 05:24 PM

Why does Black Bolt even bother standing and fighting with the Hulk. He can fly the Hulk can't, he can out maneuver the Hulk and bombard him with screams until the Hulk is finally flattened.

XPac

03-21-2007, 05:27 PM

Why does Black Bolt even bother standing and fighting with the Hulk. He can fly the Hulk can't, he can out maneuver the Hulk and bombard him with screams until the Hulk is finally flattened.

Well, I suppose it depends on the situation. If the fight occurs in doors for example, Blackbolts flight will only do so much.

And if Black Bolt is in a populated area, you have to wonder whether or not he can use the scream effectively. A scream powerful enough to flatten the Hulk is potentially greating a Stamford. Blackbolk might not wanna do that in the middle of his own city.

superion

03-21-2007, 05:29 PM

Well, I suppose it depends on the situation. If the fight occurs in doors for example, Blackbolts flight will only do so much.

And if Black Bolt is in a populated area, you have to wonder whether or not he can use the scream effectively. A scream powerful enough to flatten the Hulk is potentially greating a Stamford. Blackbolk might not wanna do that in the middle of his own city.

Looking at the preview it seems clear they are outside the city.

XPac

03-21-2007, 05:44 PM

Looking at the preview it seems clear they are outside the city.

Yeah, and if it stays that way and if Black Bolt fights smart he should have the edge. I'm not taking that away from him.

But they're one punch or leap away from the city.

The bottom line is Hulk will have to fight smart to win. He knows what Black Bolt can do and he's picking this fight. If he fights smart and underhandedly, there are ways I can see Black Bolt being believably handicapped.

stormkid

03-22-2007, 12:09 PM

I wonder if Black Bolt's intent was to kill the hulk or just shew him away.

Kevinroc

03-22-2007, 12:16 PM

I wonder if Black Bolt's intent was to kill the hulk or just shew him away.

Maybe he wanted to toss him on a space ship and exile him again. :p

beetheb

03-22-2007, 10:15 PM

I wonder if Black Bolt's intent was to kill the hulk or just shew him away.

Probably either/or

beetheb

03-22-2007, 10:17 PM

Why does Black Bolt even bother standing and fighting with the Hulk. He can fly the Hulk can't, he can out maneuver the Hulk and bombard him with screams until the Hulk is finally flattened.

Black Bolt can fly?!?

Man-o-man, BB is basically Marvels Superman, and here I didn't even know it!

can someone give a complete rundown of Black Bolts powers? Seems like a few new ones pop up every week or so...(at least new to me.)

Pendaran

03-23-2007, 02:09 AM

Black Bolt can fly?!?

Man-o-man, BB is basically Marvels Superman, and here I didn't even know it!

can someone give a complete rundown of Black Bolts powers? Seems like a few new ones pop up every week or so...(at least new to me.)

Flight, electron/energy manipulation (he's used it for stuff like force fields, energy blasts, simulating psionics, amping his strength, manipulating other fields of energy, tracking people by energy patterns, creating anti matter, sealing small black holes, or basically "whatever the writer wants to say he can do with it"), an electron disrupting based attack tied into his voice that can't be dissassociated from it, magnified by how loudly he speaks, physical durability, superstrength he can increase by charging himself up with energy.

Had these powers for decades really. Except for the simulating psionics thing, which only Paul Jenkins had him do.

Verminous

04-06-2007, 07:39 AM

I'm a little late to the topic but after seeing the pencils in the new Marvel previews, I have to admit I take back everything I said about JRjr. Those pages look awesome. If only there was some way to say I'm sorry.:( . Ah ha I will post an apology thread. Go CBR team!!!

jefseg77

04-06-2007, 07:58 AM

Verminous

04-06-2007, 08:17 AM

It's his gladiator gear I think he keeps it on because it's where he and his warbound have come from, kind of a nod to each other.

Does that make sense???? It's a gladiator thing anyhow.

Radical

04-06-2007, 09:23 AM

I so hope he and his new crew demolish the Marvel universe.

Same here, or at least that he smashes Richards and Stark.

PatchMadripoor

04-06-2007, 09:37 AM

I'm guessing Hulk forces Black Bolt to speak above a mere whisper to near scream, grabs him and aims him towards Attilan before Black Bolt can stop himself.

Mike Smash!

04-06-2007, 10:03 AM

As someone who is waiting for the hardback Planet Hulk book to come out and a unfamilair with what went on, does he wear that armor for a reason? Was he injured or something, or is it just to look like a gladiator?He fought things on Sakaar that could hurt even him, but did it as a gladiator and has become accustomed to wearing it and using weapons.

Magneto Rocks

04-06-2007, 10:37 AM

I'm guessing Hulk forces Black Bolt to speak above a mere whisper to near scream, grabs him and aims him towards Attilan before Black Bolt can stop himself.

Thus becoming even more of a psychotic mass murderer. Way to go, Hulk!

Mike Smash!

04-06-2007, 12:04 PM

Thus becoming even more of a psychotic mass murderer. Way to go, Hulk!How is Hulk a mass murderer?

People keep saying it, but they don't back it up.

dabig2

04-07-2007, 11:28 AM

Thus becoming even more of a psychotic mass murderer. Way to go, Hulk!

Even more? Wasn't aware he was a mass murdering villain. Must've missed those arcs.

And no, he won't destroy the city, but he can/will use their proximity to his advantage. Just position himself between black bolt and the city and voila. If the city is demolished then it'll be of BB's own devices.

Magneto Rocks

04-07-2007, 11:35 AM

Kevinroc

04-07-2007, 11:48 AM

Never called him a villain. Said he was a mass murderer, which the comics can back me up on and i think we can all agree that Savage Hulk is psychotic.

It HAS been retconned in that Hulk kills people when he goes on rampages. It makes sesne, it's obvious and now at last it's canon. You don't have to like it but it's fact.

To cause the destruction of the Inhuman's City in that way would be downright BEYOND villainous. For one thing it's ten times worse than any of Tony Stark's supposed "crimes" in the civil war.

Innocent people die in all major super powered conflicts. We saw as such in Civil War.

We saw as such in some of Spidey's battles (Captain Stacy, Gwen, etc.).

The Sentry is also responsible for much loss of life.

So to act like The Hulk is the only super hero that causes loss of life is wrong. It's fact.

And Hulk isn't interested in destroying the Inhumans society. He is after one man. Black Bolt. And anyone that stands between him and Black Bolt is asking for trouble.

Pak seems to be arguing that the only way to stop Hulk would be to willingly be responsible for collateral damage. Black Bolt could win, if he were willing to kill a large number of innocent people.

Otherwise? Nope...

So, you know... Don't go acting like The Hulk has no morality. He's not the one that tricked his friend and exiled him, threw his friends into an inter-dimensional prison, created copies of an MIA friend, nearly started a war with Atlantis to create a panic in America's heroes or... well... any number of other things...

dabig2

04-07-2007, 12:35 PM

Never called him a villain. Said he was a mass murderer, which the comics can back me up on and i think we can all agree that Savage Hulk is psychotic.

It HAS been retconned in that Hulk kills people when he goes on rampages. It makes sesne, it's obvious and now at last it's canon. You don't have to like it but it's fact.

To cause the destruction of the Inhuman's City in that way would be downright BEYOND villainous. For one thing it's ten times worse than any of Tony Stark's supposed "crimes" in the civil war.

Sorry, but saying he's a mass murderer seems to imply that he's a villain. Maybe I'm just confused.

His rampages havn't been totally retconned to him killing everyone and everything either. Vegas one if I can remember and he obviously wasn't himself. He isn't himself in any of those rampages in fact. Always an outside force.
All his "crimes" will be retconned right back into nothing the next issue or one thereafter.

Anyways, everything that happens from here on out is because of an act of war thanks to the destruction of his planet and their peoples, this is not just some more mindless rampaging. And he's directing it solely at those responsible, everyone around is just in the way.

And with Pak writing WWH, we won't see Hulk targeting civilians and becoming some sort of "mass murderer". His fight is with those who fight and get in the way of his objective.

Anyways, with this being an actual war if you will, he's absolved from any potential blood shed during his invasion (collateral damage). He's responding like any ruler or leader would if their country was utterly destroyed. Luckily he'll probably be more benevolent than just dropping some nukes or fire bombs killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Mike Smash!

04-07-2007, 01:07 PM

Never called him a villain. Said he was a mass murderer, which the comics can back me up on and i think we can all agree that Savage Hulk is psychotic.

It HAS been retconned in that Hulk kills people when he goes on rampages. It makes sesne, it's obvious and now at last it's canon. You don't have to like it but it's fact.

I wouldn't call him psychotic. Banner may be mentally messed up, but the Hulk himself is an angry child. Not psychotic. The Ultimate Hulk, definitely, but not the Savage Hulk.

It's mentioned in ONE COMIC and isn't official canon until it becomes established elsewhere, especially since that one comic contradicts every story previously printed about the Hulk. For decades, it's been well established that the Hulk does not kill innocent people.

Even a few years ago, it was treated like a major event that the Hulk had possibly accidently killed a child during a rampage.

And accidental death are not murder. Especially not mass murder. "Murder" requires intent to kill. The Hulk, except for the Maestro, does not murder innocent people.

And as I said before, if you're going to impose stark realism and inevitable collateral damage on Hulk rampages, you have to do the same for Avengers battles in the middle of NYC, which have probably caused far more death the Hulk.

Until it appears as established in more than just one statement by one character, it should not be considered canon.

To cause the destruction of the Inhuman's City in that way would be downright BEYOND villainous. For one thing it's ten times worse than any of Tony Stark's supposed "crimes" in the civil war.

Like siccing Norman Osborn on the Atlantean ambassador or flushing the Bill of Rights down the toilet?

Even if you want to label "accidental deaths" as murder -- or even mass murders, Tony and Reed's ship caused far more death and destruction to Sakaar than the Hulk could have possibly matched in collateral damage over the years. Millions killed and a planet destroyed.

Are they mass murderers too? Based on your definition, they would be.

Magneto Rocks

04-07-2007, 01:07 PM

Innocent people die in all major super powered conflicts. We saw as such in Civil War.

We saw as such in some of Spidey's battles (Captain Stacy, Gwen, etc.).

The Sentry is also responsible for much loss of life.

So to act like The Hulk is the only super hero that causes loss of life is wrong. It's fact.

Yup., And that's why God devised a little thing called the SUPER HUMAN REGISTRATION ACT! ;) In any case, I wasn't trying to argue that.

And Hulk isn't interested in destroying the Inhumans society. He is after one man. Black Bolt. And anyone that stands between him and Black Bolt is asking for trouble.

I know, I'm responding to an above statement that what the Hulk SHOULD do is get Black Bolt to destroy his own city.

[/QUOTE]Anyways, everything that happens from here on out is because of an act of war thanks to the destruction of his planet and their peoples, this is not just some more mindless rampaging. And he's directing it solely at those responsible, everyone around is just in the way.[/quote]

Well that's a lovely school of thought. You know, in World War I all the Austrians wanted was Bosnia. It was just that Russia, France, Britain and the rest tried to defend it and ended up "getting in the way".

Anyways, with this being an actual war if you will, he's absolved from any potential blood shed during his invasion (collateral damage)

That's rubbish. I'm sorry, I'm willing to agree to disagree on most things but to absolve the Hulk of anything he does is RUBBISH. That's why we have the term "war crimes". Plus this isn't an actual war- you JUST SAID he wasn't invading the States but was attacking four individuals. You don't have a full-fledged legitimately declared war with 4 individuals. So is he declaring war on the United States? On every UN nation since Tony Stark is the leader of an organization HEADED by that organization? Unless he is, then it's not a real, legitimate war.

He's responding like any ruler or leader would if their country was utterly destroyed.

That metaphor doesn't hold at ALL. If a criminal was sent to a deserted island by the US Government on a ship, landed on the wrong island and took over this island and then the ship exploded, destroying the island- which is essentially what this is- I don't think the rest of the world would recognize the criminal and the survivors of the island's right to declare war on the united states of america to get at the warden who sent the criminal away and was accidentally responsible for the destruction of the island!

Kara Zor El

04-07-2007, 01:20 PM

And that's just the first on his list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Camron Amaya

04-07-2007, 01:44 PM

"Will Thor be around during World War Hulk?" - Not saying.

"Will Thor's power levels remain the same?" - Yes.

^YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Magneto Rocks

04-07-2007, 01:50 PM

Count me still 100% certain that either Thor beats Hulk, narrowly loses or fights him to a stelamte triggering the conclusion of WWH5.

Camron Amaya

04-07-2007, 01:52 PM

Count me still 100% certain that either Thor beats Hulk, narrowly loses or fights him to a stelamte triggering the conclusion of WWH5.

How could Thor with the same power levels we saw him last time, ever lose to Hulk even narrowly??

He beat the Hulk and Thing at the same time with one arm lol He had the odinforce and now the runes. He decapitated Desak the God slayer while he was wearing the Destroyer armor.

Thor with odinforce and runes > everyone

Nate Grey

04-07-2007, 02:16 PM

How could Thor with the same power levels we saw him last time, ever lose to Hulk even narrowly??

He beat the Hulk and Thing at the same time with one arm lol He had the odinforce and now the runes. He decapitated Desak the God slayer while he was wearing the Destroyer armor.

Thor with odinforce and runes > everyone

True, but if its RoboClone Thor Hulk wins easily.

Still, I can't see Real Thor returning and siding with Stark. How can one NOT be pissed their so called friends made a clone of him? He'd see it as a mockery and rightfully so.

It'd bet Real Thor either sides with Hulk or sits this one out entirely.

Camron Amaya

04-07-2007, 02:19 PM

True, but if its RoboClone Thor Hulk wins easily.

Still, I can't see Real Thor returning and siding with Stark. How can one NOT be pissed their so called friends made a clone of him? He'd see it as a mockery and rightfully so.

It'd bet Real Thor either sides with Hulk or sits this one out entirely.

Clor was already destroyed by Hercules...

If Thor sided with Hulk then how would they ever lose?

More likely hedoesn't do anything or takes him out in the end if the Sentry doesn't.

Magneto Rocks

04-07-2007, 02:25 PM

They may mean his power levels will remain consistent with classic pre-Runes Thor though. It's hard to be sure.

No way Thor joins Hulk. No way. Not going to happen. Insane, he has no reason, NO way. He's not going to say, "Ah my old friend Iron Man! Yonder beast doth seem to be demolishing thine city, but since thou didst make a foul abberation cyborg of me, I shalt aid him in his quest to kill my compatriots!"

Plus I give Thor a reasonable enough shot- he's not SIGNIFICENTLY l;ess powerful than Thor and would be incredibly useful against Hulk's allies. He should at least slow Hulk himself.

He beat the Hulk and Thing at the same time with one arm

Not quite! He beat them and LOST an arm and an eye. True that was actually when the power of Odin had been taken OFF him but...

...Hang on thaty just helps your point!

Yeah, if Thor returns at Rune Thor, or even Odinforce power levels then Hulk can bring a thousand Sakaars with him, he doesn't stand a prayer. Which is why Thor won't.

Camron Amaya

04-07-2007, 02:31 PM

Please don't crush my dreams of Thor coming back with all his previous powers ( maybe even some new ones!) as Lord of everything in existence which nobody can question.

:(

Nate Grey

04-07-2007, 02:33 PM

Clor was already destroyed by Hercules...

They can't make another one?

If Thor sided with Hulk then how would they ever lose?

Guess they wouldn't, which is why it seems like he'd either sit it out or return AFTER the events of WWH.

More likely hedoesn't do anything or takes him out in the end if the Sentry doesn't.

I find those wanting Thor to side with Stark or "end" it at least a bit puzzling. Did Thor learn nothing from when he reshaped the world in his image? He'd be pairing up with someone, Stark, who essentially did the same thing. Unless somehow the Thor that returns is a Thor BEFORE those events. If not, that's why I'm saying he'd side with Hulk (against a man who, like him, attempted to reshape things how he saw fit), or simply sit this one out cause he sees both sides and wants mortals to handle their own affairs.

Magneto Rocks

04-07-2007, 02:45 PM

I find those wanting Thor to side with Stark or "end" it at least a bit puzzling. Did Thor learn nothing from when he reshaped the world in his image? He'd be pairing up with someone, Stark, who essentially did the same thing.

...Er, there's a rather substantial difference. The lesson of "The Reigning" was not that he remade the world in his image, it's that he "gave them food instead of showing them how to plant crops", that he made them dependent etc. In fact, it's completely uncomparable to Civil War except in the vaguest of senses.

Unless somehow the Thor that returns is a Thor BEFORE those events. If not, that's why I'm saying he'd side with Hulk (against a man who, like him, attempted to reshape things how he saw fit), or simply sit this one out cause he sees both sides and wants mortals to handle their own affairs.

It's not to do with that though. It's not that Stark is remaking the world in his own image- he's not, that's gibberish. Thor would help Stark over Hulk because he sees innocent lives threatened, someone else trying to save them and he ACTS. It's what he does.

Camron Amaya

04-07-2007, 02:50 PM

Well yea Thor is sworn to protect the Earth so the idea of Hulk invading it with an alien army causing all kinds of havoc and destruction most likely won't go over well with him.

But I doubt Hulk would want to pointlessly cause civilian casualities either. He'll just go after those people that wronged him. At least I think so.

Nate Grey

04-07-2007, 02:53 PM

It's not that Stark is remaking the world in his own image- he's not, that's gibberish.

I find a lot of what YOU say gibberish, so, when you're ready to talk about this like two adults instead of from some pedestal like somehow YOUR opinion and love of Iron Man overrules everyone elses who believes otherwise, I'll be here.

Nate Grey

04-07-2007, 02:56 PM

Well yea Thor is sworn to protect the Earth so the idea of Hulk invading it with an alien army causing all kinds of havoc and destruction most likely won't go over well with him.

Of course, but I would also think Thor would look at the situation as a whole and not just say, "Well, dang, I get why he's doing it, but...I did swear."

But I doubt Hulk would want to pointlessly cause civilian casualities either. He'll just go after those people that wronged him. At least I think so.

Hulk is usually very singular, so, yes, that's exactly what he'd do. Problem is those who stand in the way, on purpose or accidentally, may be in trouble, too. To THAT end, yes, maybe Thor would side with Stark.

Magneto Rocks

04-07-2007, 03:02 PM

Of course, but I would also think Thor would look at the situation as a whole and not just say, "Well, dang, I get why he's doing it, but...I did swear."

Unfortunately, I DON'T feel Thor will "get why he's doing it." I love how so many people can shift gears so easily- in civil war it's "WHAT? He's calculated beyond doubt that the ends justify the means? No way, not worth it!" Here it's, "Well, I get why he does it so the ends justify the means..." I think if the facts were explained clearly to him, Thor would STILL end up against the Hulk. Just like Cap or any of the other heroes. Because we know Hulk will end up causing casualties, whether he means to or not.

I find a lot of what YOU say gibberish, so, when you're ready to talk about this like two adults instead of from some pedestal like somehow YOUR opinion and love of Iron Man overrules everyone elses who believes otherwise, I'll be here.

I can't say I'm ready to talk like two adults, since I am in fact one, but I'm fine with speaking normally, and I'm on no pedestal, and it's well established that Iron Man is maybe my fifth favourite marvel character with my first being, ironically enough, Captain America. Oh, and Thor's number three there just for good measure.

Nate Grey

04-07-2007, 03:14 PM

Unfortunately, I DON'T feel Thor will "get why he's doing it." I love how so many people can shift gears so easily- in civil war it's "WHAT? He's calculated beyond doubt that the ends justify the means? No way, not worth it!" Here it's, "Well, I get why he does it so the ends justify the means..." I think if the facts were explained clearly to him, Thor would STILL end up against the Hulk. Just like Cap or any of the other heroes. Because we know Hulk will end up causing casualties, whether he means to or not.

No, we don't know that, that's up to the editor and writer.

I can't say I'm ready to talk like two adults, since I am in fact one,

I spoke correctly the first time. I said "like" cause an adult would not feel threatend by a dissenting opinion, they would state their opinion and not refer to the other as "gibberish." You've done this a number of times, this is simply the first time you've done it to me. Speak LIKE AN ADULT like you are now, we can trade dissenting opinions all day long.

but I'm fine with speaking normally, and I'm on no pedestal, and it's well established that Iron Man is maybe my fifth favourite marvel character with my first being, ironically enough, Captain America. Oh, and Thor's number three there just for good measure.

Well established? You a celebrity around here or something? :confused: I know nothing about you except you don't take too kindly to anyone thinking of Iron Man other than in the right. And to be blunt, I would like nothing more than to have him dead. Now, I have no problem whatsoever with you liking Iron Man as well as you do, I don't think or believe we have to like everything and I'm not going to attack or belittle you every time you bring this up. I'd thank you for not doing the same. Since, as you say, you ARE and adult, and not LIKE an adult.

Mike Smash!

04-07-2007, 03:24 PM

Nate, Magneto...

Take a step back and calm down, guys. We're all getting a little too heated.

Camron Amaya

04-07-2007, 03:30 PM

Nate, Magneto...

Take a step back and calm down, guys. We're all getting a little too heated.

This ain't heated! I'll show you heated!

THIS is HEATED!

*pulls my hot and spicey oriental soup out of the microwave*

:D

Magneto Rocks

04-07-2007, 03:32 PM

Duely noted, Mike. Calming.

I spoke correctly the first time. I said "like" cause an adult would not feel threatend by a dissenting opinion, they would state their opinion and not refer to the other as "gibberish." You've done this a number of times, this is simply the first time you've done it to me. Speak LIKE AN ADULT like you are now, we can trade dissenting opinions all day long.

I don't feel threatened, and I was speaking like this all along. I certainly apologize if you feel otherwise. I do not tend to refer to a dissenting opinion as gibbierish, merely an idea I feel is wildly "out there." In this case to say Stark is remaking the world in his own image is an opinion unsupported by any book. At worst, he has remade the super hero system of America into a system dreamed up equally by him, Hank Pym and Reed Richards. And even then, it's out of necessity, not desire.

Well established? You a celebrity around here or something? :confused: I know nothing about you except you don't take too kindly to anyone thinking of Iron Man other than in the right.

I merely meant that many people have accused me of this many times throughout all of civil war and I'm tired of reiterating the same response. Not your fault, I'm so used to arguing with the same people that I forget myself, I apologize.

And to be blunt, I would like nothing more than to have him dead. Now, I have no problem whatsoever with you liking Iron Man as well as you do, I don't think or believe we have to like everything and I'm not going to attack or belittle you every time you bring this up. I'd thank you for not doing the same. Since, as you say, you ARE and adult, and not LIKE an adult.

I don't "like him" greatly- or even at all pre-civil war, I just think his viewpoint is in the right. Believe me, if he started spouting anti-SHRA rhetoric and joined the New Avengers, I'd be the first to condemn him. I apologize again if I got overheated and belittled your opinion which I certainly had no intention of doing.

patch

04-08-2007, 04:23 AM

while it would be nice to have thor back...i dont want him coming back to mess up, what should be romping vengence story. :D

Xanrn

04-08-2007, 06:03 AM

Morw

04-08-2007, 09:10 AM

He is going to Invade frigging NYC and turn it into a battle ground.

NY turned into a battleground. Okey? thats like monday,thuesday,wedensday,thursday,friday and every second saturday as booth heros and villians needs a break now and then.

Kevinroc

04-08-2007, 10:47 AM

Nate Grey

04-08-2007, 11:04 AM

Nate, Magneto...

Take a step back and calm down, guys. We're all getting a little too heated.

Understood.

I don't feel threatened, and I was speaking like this all along. I certainly apologize if you feel otherwise. I do not tend to refer to a dissenting opinion as gibbierish, merely an idea I feel is wildly "out there." In this case to say Stark is remaking the world in his own image is an opinion unsupported by any book. At worst, he has remade the super hero system of America into a system dreamed up equally by him, Hank Pym and Reed Richards. And even then, it's out of necessity, not desire.

But see that's one reader's interpretation: yours. My interpretation is that he's, well, forgive the pun, but drunk with power. I agree that the SHRA is needed, but the way it all went about and ended left a sour taste in my mouth. As written now, Stark seems a lot like Doom only 1) no talking in the third person, 2) no Reed Richards analogue.

Perhaps its a testament to good writing that you can take one story and get two different viewpoints from it. I've heard plenty of people say exactly what you're saying, and I've heard plenty of people say what I'm saying. Maybe the days of black and white storytelling is over?

I merely meant that many people have accused me of this many times throughout all of civil war and I'm tired of reiterating the same response. Not your fault, I'm so used to arguing with the same people that I forget myself, I apologize.

Understood. Admittedly it never dawned on me you were perhaps on the defensive with the posts I've seen during the whole Civil War saga.

I don't "like him" greatly- or even at all pre-civil war, I just think his viewpoint is in the right. Believe me, if he started spouting anti-SHRA rhetoric and joined the New Avengers, I'd be the first to condemn him. I apologize again if I got overheated and belittled your opinion which I certainly had no intention of doing.

Likewise, I apologize for saying YOUR posts were gibberish in response.

patch

04-08-2007, 02:48 PM

Thor is not going to side with the Hulk.

Heck I doubt anyone is going to side with the Hulk.

He is going to Invade frigging NYC and turn it into a battle ground.

Be a nice way for Thor to return, side with the Villian of the piece.

no way is hulk the villian of the piece...he is the quintesential anti-hero out for payback and half the fun will be watching him smash his way trough his "list" kill bill style.

it would be interesting if somehow at the end of wwh hulk and his allies ended up on genosha (that is unless the upcoming x-event has plans for it)