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GeorgeG

03-08-2007, 10:14 PM

Just a thought.

Now, if Marvel wanted even more mainstream publicity (not saying this should be a reason in doing so), this would be the route to go in.

I just find it odd that whenever someone talks about or starts up a thread discussing replacements, there is not one woman listed in the possibilities.

It could be an interesting way to go.

My vote: Jubilee.

Charles RB

03-09-2007, 03:26 AM

I'd prefer to see Josiah X from The Crew take it up. I liked him, I want to read more about him.

Gaz

03-09-2007, 03:41 AM

I'd prefer to see Josiah X from The Crew take it up. I liked him, I want to read more about him.

I think it'd be more likely to be Patriot at this point, but it makes the most sense. More than the Punisher, in any event.

Falcon and Bucky are the only other decent options for the interim anyway. (Like Steve's really dead...)

Gaz

03-09-2007, 03:43 AM

EDIT: Double post because Firefox seems to be acting wacky today...

cactusmaac

03-09-2007, 04:51 AM

Jubilee?

All right, I suggest Norman Osborne.

Kevinroc

03-09-2007, 04:53 AM

I had thought of the possibility for a black Captain America (not counting Isaiah Bradley).

Supposedly, Tony Stark will attempt to pick out the next Captain America... (I'm sure that won't go well.)

The Xenos

03-09-2007, 05:23 AM

I'm kinda hoping to see those hints about Frank Castle taking up the shield happen. That would be... interesting.

David Atkins

03-09-2007, 05:38 AM

My vote: Jubilee.

That would be such a random, oddball choice that, if Marvel actually did it, I would completely mark out and buy it without hesitation. :)

geordiesteve

03-09-2007, 06:12 AM

Should it be a woman, for me personally no.

The most likely candidate to fill the shoes until Steve reappears at some point in the future, is Bucky, and personally, I think it would make for a very interesting story if he took up the mantle. I trust Brubaker as a storyteller and I think it's going to be excellent as ever.

If it HAD to be a woman, if that was the law..........Carol Danvers. She's ex-military, she's cosy with SHIELD, true she has powers, but still, I would love it, and so would Iron Wanker, I mean Iron Man, since she signed up with him.

PatrickG

03-09-2007, 06:15 AM

The talk is that Tony will pick the new Cap.

But I wouldn't be shocked if Punisher and Tony's pick both showed up in the costume for an arc and Winter Soldier didn't wind up becoming Cap by the end of the arc.

Unless Tony picks Winter Soldier.

So... Who would Tony pick? I'd get a nice chuckle if it was Miriam Sharpe. It could be somebody new but nobody new would last. U.S. Agent went to Canada. Nomad is dead.

I think it reasonably has to be a soldier type and a pro-reg one. I doubt a new person would be accepted in the role.

Cable? (Might be interesting considering how he tried to take over the world not long ago.)

Actually, it might give Tony some credit (and shock people; we know he's supposed to be upsetting Miriam Sharpe soon) if he picked somebody anti-reg... But who was also registered. Somebody committed to fighting registration within the confines of the law.

It would give a double whammy of credibility to the heir and show Tony's respect for Steve if he picked someone who was anti-reg... But limited their anti-reg activities to personal statements and court challenges. With of course the flipside argument being that Tony is trying to silence a critic.

But if you view Civil War as an election that Tony won... But a very contentious and close one... it might be sensible for Tony to reflect the values of the losing side by picking an anti-reg Captain America.

Roquefort Raider

03-09-2007, 06:24 AM

I would use a succession of new characters with different backgrounds to illustrate what America means to different people and how differently patriotism can be interpreted. And then after, say, a year, Steve can come back.

Shisho

03-09-2007, 06:39 AM

Do we really need another? Here's a crazy thought--just let him stay dead. Marvel's got too many outdated characters anyway. How about they come up with someone new and interesting?

NickThompson

03-09-2007, 07:11 AM

Actually, it might give Tony some credit (and shock people; we know he's supposed to be upsetting Miriam Sharpe soon) if he picked somebody anti-reg... But who was also registered. Somebody committed to fighting registration within the confines of the law.

It would give a double whammy of credibility to the heir and show Tony's respect for Steve if he picked someone who was anti-reg... But limited their anti-reg activities to personal statements and court challenges. With of course the flipside argument being that Tony is trying to silence a critic.

But if you view Civil War as an election that Tony won... But a very contentious and close one... it might be sensible for Tony to reflect the values of the losing side by picking an anti-reg Captain America.
What about Falcon? Was anti-Reg, now seemingly registered. Also believable because Brubaker probably has to work with the new Cap, and Falcon is in his book.

I hope it isn't Bucky. I like him as the Winter Soldier, we'd be losing a great "new" character.

Alan Lynch

03-09-2007, 07:32 AM

Does it really matter? Steve Rogers is back the second the inevitable Captain America movie is in post-production. Make the next Cap a lesbian midget from Japan for all the difference it'll make long-term.

Red Berens

03-09-2007, 07:36 AM

I think we all know that Captian America will be back within a year. Since World War Hulk is the big thing this summer, my guess is the 'fix' for Civil War will be next summer, and mark the return of Steve Rogers.

Until then, I hope Bucky takes up the mantle.

Red Berens

03-09-2007, 07:38 AM

What about Falcon? Was anti-Reg, now seemingly registered. Also believable because Brubaker probably has to work with the new Cap, and Falcon is in his book.

I hope it isn't Bucky. I like him as the Winter Soldier, we'd be losing a great "new" character.

Wow. I read this after I posted my idea, and I like yours better. What would be really cool is if Bucky and Falcon/Captain America worked together.

the4thpip

03-09-2007, 08:43 AM

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Christopher Cross Is God

03-09-2007, 08:50 AM

Falcon and Bucky are the only other decent options for the interim anyway. (Like Steve's really dead...)

Aside from Thunderbolts, I haven't read any Civil War-related material, so I don't know where characters stand on the issue......But I think Battlestar would be a cool replacement.

I doubt they would bring former cap John Walker back in, although he's a soldier-type and would probably be loyal to the people who reinstate him.

Night Swordsman

03-09-2007, 12:36 PM

Do we really need another? Here's a crazy thought--just let him stay dead. Marvel's got too many outdated characters anyway. How about they come up with someone new and interesting?

This is the first statement you made that i disagree with. Captain America has not survived all these years by being a outdated concept. His sales were healthy,and the book has been getting nothing but praise the last two years of Bru's run. He has been more interesting that ever before.

ALSO,Marvel HAS been doing ALOT of new and interesting books as well. Not all catch on,and fall to wayside,but they do try. A major problem is,and it has been pointed out ,that Marvel creates new "toys in the sandbox",but no one after that USES them. That is now being slowly addressed,by certain creators working at Marvel. I honestly could list about a dozen new and interesting concepts Marvel has done in the last five years that have gotten some praise.

Captain America,and the ideals he held to,are NOT outdated. Old Fashioned? Maybe yes,but the core concept of the character is not.

nomadic1

03-09-2007, 01:16 PM

PatrickG

03-09-2007, 01:38 PM

Y'Know what difference it makes?

The difference is Steve Roger's role when he comes back.

Maybe you don't see it personally but in my mind he's a B-lister who occasionally showed hint of being a "living legend" but never made it there.

So if he can actually become a "dead legend" now, if his absence has impact, then when he does come back he might be more.

Everybody's been joking for the last few weeks over whether the "A" on his forehead stood for "France".

But there's the problem.

The X-Men's X means something. It connects with readers. It speaks of what it means to care about a world that doesn't accept you. The FF symbol can suggest family. The Spider-man symbol speaks to Peter Parker's sense of ensnarement and obligation and his feelings of insignificance at times. The Batman symbol suggests fear or revenge. The Superman symbol suggests strength or salvation.

Captain America has multiple symbols and none of them MEAN anything aside from what the American flag itself represents.

This is the chance for Steve Rogers to mean something to the Marvel Universe, for his shield and costume to become something that means something more specific than the American dream or security or liberty.

By the time this is over, I think we'll see a lot of what Captain America ISN'T. Maybe even an imposter or false resurrection. And in the end, we'll see what Captain America is in clearly defined terms. What he means on a personal level and why people who don't give a crap about America, per se, should give a crap about Steve Rogers.

Tad Sivana

03-09-2007, 01:47 PM

Corrina

03-09-2007, 02:03 PM

I'm still jonesing for a Steve Rogers/Zinda story.

Starba

03-09-2007, 02:09 PM

My own feeling is that since Marvel is jumping on trendy memes of all sorts like the Homeland security authoritarian theme of 'Civil War', they should adopt another trend: outsourcing.
I'm sure DC and Gail would be willing to take on the replacement Cap.
Are you ready for Captain Canary?

Ha. This is kind of in line with what I suggested to a similar thread to this at Comicbloc.

You know, I always thought Amanda Waller represented the modern USA a hell of a lot better than Cap ever did.

We're diverse, we're overweight, and we'll protect ourselves and our country at any cost, no matter how much it screws other people over.

Amanda Waller for Captain America 2007!

Night Swordsman

03-09-2007, 02:10 PM

I'm still jonesing for a Steve Rogers/Zinda story.

Sigh. I would love to see Marvel/DC Crossovers too,but unfortately we will not as long as DC's top staff refuses to do them. :(

Starba

03-09-2007, 03:23 PM

My god, the Comicbloc discussion about this topic has become downright embarrassing almost straight out of the gate. It's a sad day to be a comicbook fan...

http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45067

ChthonicSpirit

03-09-2007, 09:11 PM

Do we really need another? Here's a crazy thought--just let him stay dead. Marvel's got too many outdated characters anyway. How about they come up with someone new and interesting?

What? I'm sorry, but Captain America was exactly as 'outdated' as Superman is.

As for the new one being a woman - I don't think I could be impressed by any character they chose to replace him. For me, Captain America has to be the guy who punched out Hitler. Frank Castle as Cap would be kind of cool, but only as a temporary measure. Accept no substitutes.

Azrael52

03-09-2007, 10:27 PM

I think the next Capt. America should be a lesbian and hang out with Batwoman.

Arawn

03-09-2007, 11:11 PM

A female Captain America would be a good idea, but Marvel is limited on those that could fill the role.

Sharon shot Cap so she probably wouldn't make a good choice.

And the only other pick I think I could make is the Black Widow, American immigrant now fights for the US. It wuld make a good story and representation of America, but I doubt Marvel wants her to lose her current persona.

Winter Soldier or Punisher would b my next choices. Preferably Winter as I like the story possibilities. Redemption and legacy and all.

Either way I just don't want Marvel to invent a random character to take over.

Alan Lynch

03-10-2007, 06:20 AM

Cam63

03-10-2007, 07:04 AM

How about Borat ?

Tobias March

03-10-2007, 07:33 AM

NickThompson

03-10-2007, 09:54 AM

ALSO,Marvel HAS been doing ALOT of new and interesting books as well. Not all catch on,and fall to wayside,but they do try. A major problem is,and it has been pointed out ,that Marvel creates new "toys in the sandbox",but no one after that USES them. That is now being slowly addressed,by certain creators working at Marvel. I honestly could list about a dozen new and interesting concepts Marvel has done in the last five years that have gotten some praise.
I think this is a good point. Indeed, to quote Frank Tieri:

Well, for one, using Ryker like this is funny because I always hear people say, “Where are all the new characters in the last twenty years or so?” Well, we do have new characters created in the last twenty years, especially villains — it’s just people don’t use them. Every time a new creator comes on a book, he wants to show how creative and revolutionary he is and create his own stuff or put some “cool, new” spin on a classic character - again, usually a villain - we’ve never seen before. No one seems to want to nurture those recent creations that desperately need to be nurtured in order to stand the test of time, so I guess that’s a bit of what I’m doing here.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=103078

To use a modern example, between New and Mighty Avengers we have seen reappearences by Sentry, Echo, Ares and The Hood. If it wasn't for Bendis using them now, would we ever have seen them again? Only Hood has appeared outside of the original creator using them (Or whatever you want to call Oeming's Ares mini) otherwise.

I think the basic "problem" there is that a creator needs to use a character, and he either creates his own character or uses one of his favourites. Thus the characters with potential dissapear, unless the original creators keep using them.

Arawn

03-10-2007, 12:05 PM

This makes me picture a future Marvel crossover where Iron Man glares a ressurected Cap down and tells him the last time he inspired anyone was when he was dead. I'm sure that reminds me of something.

Much as I think it'd be quite a juvenile, out-of-character thing to do, I like the idea of Punisher as Captain America. I think the near hero-worship in War Journal laid the groundwork for something like this.

Wasn't there a what if where the punisher took over as Cap for a while?

PatrickG

03-10-2007, 12:35 PM

Wasn't there a what if where the punisher took over as Cap for a while?

I don't recall that.

I do recall the Punisher as Venom, as Sorcerer Supreme against an army of mutant vampires and as War Machine in a world where Red Skull posed as Captain America, got elected president and created a racist, fascist empire out of the USA with Castle as a gestapo storm trooper in Stark-designed armor.

Citizen V

03-10-2007, 07:23 PM

Just a thought

No way in hell would i,or any other man accept a female Captain America in mainstream Marvel comics.

Kevinroc

03-10-2007, 07:26 PM

No way in hell would i,or any other man accept a female Captain America in mainstream Marvel comics.

I wouldn't have a problem with a female Captain America...

Don't go speaking for all men, you sexist peg. ;)

Cam63

03-11-2007, 06:35 AM

No way in hell would i,or any other man accept a female Captain America in mainstream Marvel comics.

If you're serious, that's seriously fucked up.

Ringslinger76

03-11-2007, 06:43 AM

sigh. As long as Steve Rogers is Captain America when the dust settles, I don't care who the interim CA is. Make it Sharon Carter or whoever that D string patriot hero was that hung around with Jack Flagg at the end of Cap's first series when he was paralyzed and wore the Iron Cap suit. What was her name?

Still Steve Rogers is Captain America.. they've done moderatly lengthed arcs with replacements before, but as long as they come back to the original. He's outlived like what now.. 4 or 5 replacements? Have to check my Handbook of the MU.

Charles RB

03-11-2007, 06:59 AM

To use a modern example, between New and Mighty Avengers we have seen reappearences by Sentry, Echo, Ares and The Hood. If it wasn't for Bendis using them now, would we ever have seen them again? Only Hood has appeared outside of the original creator using them (Or whatever you want to call Oeming's Ares mini) otherwise.

Mmm.

And where's Priest's characters Junta, Justice and White Tiger, all of which seemed to have potential as characters? where's Fantomex, who appeared briefly in Mystique and Weapon X and then never again? For that matter, where's Weapon X, a team of villains brainwashing mutants into abducting people and shoving them into concentration camps? None of the X-Men writers thought that'd be a useful villain for X-stories?

It's like hardly anyone is interested in writing characters who aren't old, and Marvel isn't interested in pushing some potential new trademarks. Why?

Tobias March

03-11-2007, 07:23 AM

where's Fantomex, who appeared briefly in Mystique and Weapon X and then never again? For that matter, where's Weapon X, a team of villains brainwashing mutants into abducting people and shoving them into concentration camps? None of the X-Men writers thought that'd be a useful villain for X-stories?

It's like hardly anyone is interested in writing characters who aren't old, and Marvel isn't interested in pushing some potential new trademarks. Why?

Yeah unfortunately while I agree with what Tieri said above - he's death to other people's characters. There's one guy who should have created a whole new sandbox to himself. He doesn't play nice with the other kids' toys.

Metronome35

03-11-2007, 08:11 AM

Wasn't there a what if where the punisher took over as Cap for a while?

Yep. You can read about it here
http://www.4thletter.net/?p=228

It's entry number eighteen.

Charles RB

03-11-2007, 08:23 AM

Yeah unfortunately while I agree with what Tieri said above - he's death to other people's characters.

This is true - and that's another reason why other writers should use those characters, so Tieri doesn't manage to. ;)

(I was put off him using characters when I saw his quote whining that the Beast was, gasp, no longer ape-like. Boo fucking hoo.)

Arawn

03-11-2007, 08:26 AM

I knew I had read that issue, I just didnt want to go through 30 some long boxes looking for it. I miss What If, they need to bring that back.

But without trying to tie it into massive crossovers likethey recently did.

the4thpip

03-11-2007, 08:39 AM

If you're serious, that's seriously fucked up.

Isn't Citizen V the poster with the charming views on minorities in NYC?

He seems to be all heart.

EspanolBot

03-11-2007, 09:13 AM

I think that four new Captain America's will turn up. An African American one, a young clone, a distant and violent one and a cyborg one that has NASCAR results downloaded instantly into his head and has online access to MySpace.

Charles RB

03-11-2007, 10:01 AM

With Justice and Anti-Cap (if he wasn't dead), they'd already have a Steel and Eradicator counterpart.

mgs

03-11-2007, 11:08 AM

maybe they'll make the new one a Latino guy.

Shisho

03-11-2007, 10:14 PM

This is the first statement you made that i disagree with. Captain America has not survived all these years by being a outdated concept. His sales were healthy,and the book has been getting nothing but praise the last two years of Bru's run. He has been more interesting that ever before.

ALSO,Marvel HAS been doing ALOT of new and interesting books as well. Not all catch on,and fall to wayside,but they do try. A major problem is,and it has been pointed out ,that Marvel creates new "toys in the sandbox",but no one after that USES them. That is now being slowly addressed,by certain creators working at Marvel. I honestly could list about a dozen new and interesting concepts Marvel has done in the last five years that have gotten some praise.

Captain America,and the ideals he held to,are NOT outdated. Old Fashioned? Maybe yes,but the core concept of the character is not.

S'okay dear. If we agreed on everything, life would get boring. It's just sometimes I look at characters that have been around since the dawn of time and think to myself "bored now." With very, very few exceptions, I just find myself straying from the Marvel universe. (Of course, every time I say that, I read something that makes me go "doh! They've pulled me back in! Dammit!" Peter David's X-Factor did that for me recently. Damn that man for being so good!) I just don't see how the "big two" have a whole lot to offer me as a reader anymore. Though I do respect your opinion, Swordsman, I just think that, like people in real life, there comes a time to retire and move on.

As for Cap, he represents one of the big reasons why I'm straying from Marvel to begin with. Here you have a character that is quite literally an American icon. Yeah, his death made the news, but how sad is it that even those who don't read comics are blowing it off as a PR stunt? What should be having an emotional impact on the fans has turned into a "who will take over" discussion before the ink is even dried on the page. The feeling just isn't there because everyone knows that in Marvel, no one stays dead. And those who are dead get their superhero outfit filled in before it even gets a chance to be properly dry cleaned, as if the character who had the job since the 40's never existed. If these characters were real people, don't you think folks would find that a little, I don't know, rude? The focus seems to be more on trademarks than on characters. I just prefer to read about characters.

*shrugs* Then again, Marvel is obviously doing something right. Hypocritical me, I just can't seem to let go of those X-titles. (Grumble X-Factor grumble grumble Astonishing...)

Justin Carr

03-11-2007, 11:00 PM

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Bah. I've with Free Spirit.

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