Nightwing #130 *SPOILERS*

[Nosyarg Kcid]

That was ... unexpected.

I really thought that Wolfman was trying to salvage some part of the 'Raptor' storyline and turn a few throw away characters into a true supporting cast for Nightwing *spoiler* but it doesn't look that way anymore, since the three quarters of the cast in question got transformed into a fine bloody mist by page 11. Hard to do good character development now ... *end spoiler*

The previous issue summaries for #131 mentioned a body count piling up in Gotham. The summary at the end of #130 simply refers to 'the city'. Did someone screw up and put Gotham by mistake? Did someone screw up and spill the beans early on a change of scenery for Nightwing? Is he taking a surprise visit soon? Inquiring minds, and all that ...

[Joe Acro]

I didn't catch the technical you glitch that you've spotted, though that does sound interesting and somewhat confusing.

I, too, was surprised to see a drop in the supporting cast. I really thought that story was over. The deaths seemed to add nothing to the story. It certainly didn't seem to affect how Nightwing handled things. At least the deaths allowed for him to find the killers, but I'm sure that could've been handled in some other way.

I don't understand "Bride and Groom". The backstory isn't clear and what they're doing exactly isn't clear either.

Overall, I found this issue a little confusing, but mostly dull.

[Lauren_Guerra]

Overall I too found the issue confusing. I picked up the point of Gotham(thought i was the only one) so I am curious if this is going somewhere or just a glitch. This is the only issue of Nightwing since Marv started that overall left me with a question mark over my head? Unless the plan is to build up Phillip as a character and go somewhere with him I have no idea why Marv would do this as the supporting cast seemed to be in place unless again Phillip is in line for something.

Not a fan of the characters of Bride and Groom as I was hoping for a rogues that would continue to be a part of Nightwings rogue gallery and they just seem to fit in as more of temporary villains till the next arc.

Anyone else hope that we find out who the assassin nightwing tangled with in the Raptor storyline to be coming up real soon?

[Xanrn]

Bride and Groom are easy.

The Bride is a Energy Vampire, who needs to feed to survive.

The Groom can see people's Aura's, he knows the kind that will give the best feed to the Bride.

So the Bride gives him power to be immortal in exchange for picking out the best meals.

[DoctorDoom]

Haven't picked up Nightwing in awhile.... I take it now's not a good time?

[nomadic1]

Well, it's hella better than Jones's run.

Of course, getting a migrane is better than getting hit by a bus too.

[DoctorDoom]

Well, it's hella better than Jones's run.

Of course, getting a migrane is better than getting hit by a bus too.
Yeeaah...that still sounds like a no. I'm looking for a 'it's worth your money.'

Thanks though...I'll check in again.

[dragonbat]

I'm finding the current run solid. Not great but rereadable. Which is something that it has not been for a very long time.

[colossus34]

The issue was a solid entry but still not wowing me. Its nice to see a proactive Nightwing searching out and actually being a hero. Unfortuntely, the villians Bride and Groom are very bizzare--for a couple who supposedly have been using each other for a hundred years or so their conversations are odd. They sound like they just met and spend a lot of dialogue on unnessary exposition--people don't talk like that. I'd reccomend Marv read some of Whedon's Astonishing X-men to see some brilliant, taut dialgue.

Also, I hate to complain about this but Nightwing actually gets hit by the Groom villian. There is no reason to beleive the guy has any martial arts training---yet he's able to get a hit on a martial arts master like Nightwing? The fact he got a hit in must mean he's a highly trainined hand to hand combatant otherwise its more NW jobbing like he's been doing for the last 3 years. I'd like to see one single issue where Nightwing simply went all out on a villian.

[David Atkins]

Also, I hate to complain about this but Nightwing actually gets hit by the Groom villian. There is no reason to beleive the guy has any martial arts training---yet he's able to get a hit on a martial arts master like Nightwing? The fact he got a hit in must mean he's a highly trainined hand to hand combatant otherwise its more NW jobbing like he's been doing for the last 3 years. I'd like to see one single issue where Nightwing simply went all out on a villian.

Did you -READ- this scene? Groom can control auras as well as see them. Nightwing was in the process of fighting off a powerful 'Go to sleep' command when the fight started. The fact that Groom got a hit in is hardly indicative of Groom's skill level as Nightwing was clearly not operating at full capacity just then.

Yeeaah...that still sounds like a no. I'm looking for a 'it's worth your money.'

Thanks though...I'll check in again.

It's worth MY money. ;)

[ZacharyLovesYou]

Wasn't comic gold, but you know what? I liked it.

[jamal Igle]

The issue was a solid entry but still not wowing me. Its nice to see a proactive Nightwing searching out and actually being a hero. Unfortuntely, the villians Bride and Groom are very bizzare--for a couple who supposedly have been using each other for a hundred years or so their conversations are odd. They sound like they just met and spend a lot of dialogue on unnessary exposition--people don't talk like that. I'd reccomend Marv read some of Whedon's Astonishing X-men to see some brilliant, taut dialgue.

Also, I hate to complain about this but Nightwing actually gets hit by the Groom villian. There is no reason to beleive the guy has any martial arts training---yet he's able to get a hit on a martial arts master like Nightwing? The fact he got a hit in must mean he's a highly trainined hand to hand combatant otherwise its more NW jobbing like he's been doing for the last 3 years. I'd like to see one single issue where Nightwing simply went all out on a villian.

The exposition is nessasry. While they have known each other for several centuries, the readers know absolutely nothing about them, so you need to try and explain the basics to the readers. Whedon can write the X-men the way he does because they're the X-men, they're not new characters. If you've been reading comics long enough or have seen a movie in the last 15 years you know who the X-men are.

Thomas(Groom) was able to hit Nightwing because he had drained all the strength from Dick's body. Dick was fighting back from the effects of Groom's ability to control auras. and besides it was a boot to the face that did no damage at all. Everybody gets in a lucky shot.

[DavidAllred]

The exposition is nessasry. While they have known each other for several centuries, the readers know absolutely nothing about them, so you need to try and explain the basics to the readers. Whedon can write the X-men the way he does because they're the X-men, they're not new characters. If you've been reading comics long enough or have seen a movie in the last 15 years you know who the X-men are.

Thomas(Groom) was able to hit Nightwing because he had drained all the strength from Dick's body. Dick was fighting back from the effects of Groom's ability to control auras. and besides it was a boot to the face that did no damage at all. Everybody gets in a lucky shot.

Hey are you the same guy that did the art, or just a fan of Ingle?

Let me say that hands down, Nightwing is a better comic than most of the rest of the things I read. Marv writes well. I get the feeling he even holds back for fear of running off the 20-somethings. His Raptor arc built a whole episode around Nietzsche for crying out loud. No doubt the guy is brilliant.

As to these two new characters, I love them. Don't get me wrong, I also want to see NW take on the big cheese, but this is a welcomed break. And you never really know who is going to be a hit with fans when you create a villian. The GA boards are still wanting to know more about Kevin Smiths Otomotopia.

I think his script is bold. I also believe that given Dick's recent, unexplored proposal, it's highly interesting. Is Marv saying something about Babs? Does she suck the life out of people? Is Dick so intuitive that he reads people like the current groom?

Even if none of this is in Marv's head, the story is compelling enough to for readers to think about the next level.

Is it worth your $3? Damn straight! :)


PS-- I looked back and saw your tag, Jamal. Wanted to say that the ferry scene was explosive. I'm not a fan of art at all... or maybe its better to say I like almost all comic art I see, even the real unusual stuff. Anyway ,the double page ferry crash was awesome... and I thought the best image was at the bottom of the page toward the end where NW tosses the batarang from the floor. That tiny image caught my attention when I first read through the book. Look forward to seeing more-- again, I'm not a fan of art, but I know what I like when I see it :)

[jamal Igle]

Hey are you the same guy that did the art, or just a fan of Ingle?

Let me say that hands down, Nightwing is a better comic than most of the rest of the things I read. Marv writes well. I get the feeling he even holds back for fear of running off the 20-somethings. His Raptor arc built a whole episode around Nietzsche for crying out loud. No doubt the guy is brilliant.

As to these two new characters, I love them. Don't get me wrong, I also want to see NW take on the big cheese, but this is a welcomed break. And you never really know who is going to be a hit with fans when you create a villian. The GA boards are still wanting to know more about Kevin Smiths Otomotopia.

I think his script is bold. I also believe that given Dick's recent, unexplored proposal, it's highly interesting. Is Marv saying something about Babs? Does she suck the life out of people? Is Dick so intuitive that he reads people like the current groom?

Even if none of this is in Marv's head, the story is compelling enough to for readers to think about the next level.

Is it worth your $3? Damn straight! :)


PS-- I looked back and saw your tag, Jamal. Wanted to say that the ferry scene was explosive. I'm not a fan of art at all... or maybe its better to say I like almost all comic art I see, even the real unusual stuff. Anyway ,the double page ferry crash was awesome... and I thought the best image was at the bottom of the page toward the end where NW tosses the batarang from the floor. That tiny image caught my attention when I first read through the book. Look forward to seeing more-- again, I'm not a fan of art, but I know what I like when I see it :)

Thank you.

[carabas]

Thomas(Groom) was able to hit Nightwing because he had drained all the strength from Dick's body. Dick was fighting back from the effects of Groom's ability to control auras. and besides it was a boot to the face that did no damage at all. Everybody gets in a lucky shot.
Plus, anybody who' been abducting people and serial killing for over a century is bound to pick up a little bit of combat skills here and there.

[colossus34]

The exposition is nessasry. While they have known each other for several centuries, the readers know absolutely nothing about them, so you need to try and explain the basics to the readers. Whedon can write the X-men the way he does because they're the X-men, they're not new characters. If you've been reading comics long enough or have seen a movie in the last 15 years you know who the X-men are.

Thomas(Groom) was able to hit Nightwing because he had drained all the strength from Dick's body. Dick was fighting back from the effects of Groom's ability to control auras. and besides it was a boot to the face that did no damage at all. Everybody gets in a lucky shot.

Thanks for the explanation on the fight Jamal--I get it now! It just felt like the interactions between Bride and Groom were forced and not what two people who have been using each other for a century would be saying, it would have felt more organic if Nightwing figured it out on his own and explained it to the readers.

Its cool though I like the guy who said it felt like an analogy of Babs and Dick(Bride and Groom) Babs sucks the life out of people and NW can read people, and see puzzles(or auras) that others cannot--cool parrallel.

Also, great art, really digging the dynamic work--it gets better each issue.

[carabas]

Did anybody else find them very derivative of Buffy's Spike & Drusilla?

[jamal Igle]

Did anybody else find them very derivative of Buffy's Spike & Drusilla?

I doubt Marv's ever watched an episode of Buffy. Just hang on, You'll see where things are going.

[DavidAllred]

Hey Jamal, I saw someone over at the DCcomics message board was giving you props on your art. Thought I'd let you know in case that's a board you don't visit.