Civil War: Front Line #11 Review

[XPac]

he should move to Canada. he could call himself the Guardian or something :p

Given how many times Guardian has died, I imagine Cap would wanna pass on that one.

[XPac]

I'm not sure it was all that sarcastic. Maybe Tony took it that way. But the fact that She didn't bust him publicly with their findings...not really seeing the sarcasm here.

Well, whether or not they genuinely agreed with Stark, they still should have published the story. Why they didn't, I'm honestly not sure.

Ben's rationale is that they don't want to undo the good work Stark is doing, so there is a PRO reg sentiment there. But I don't believe they honestly agree with the methods Stark is using. I suppose at the end of the day that's open to interpretation though.

[SKJAM!]

I suspect the reason for Tony's crying jag is that he was looking forward to Ben and Sally giving him an excuse to revoke freedom of the press. When they just rolled over, he was horribly disappointed and sorrowful at the lost chance.

[IamtheRock3]

Well, whether or not they genuinely agreed with Stark, they still should have published the story. Why they didn't, I'm honestly not sure.

Ben's rationale is that they don't want to undo the good work Stark is doing, so there is a PRO reg sentiment there. But I don't believe they honestly agree with the methods Stark is using. I suppose at the end of the day that's open to interpretation though.

Well could be the DAMAGE done type of thing. So there making the best out of it.

Like Watchmen. Exposing Ozzy secret wont bring the people he killed back. But it would start a war if that secret revealed.

or Like nazi doctors did horrible things. But if we have some note that laying around of there. Scientist would probally use them if they can help it

Dotn agree with Ben here, but can see that as a reason

[XPac]

Well could be the DAMAGE done type of thing. So there making the best out of it.

Like Watchmen. Exposing Ozzy secret wont bring the people he killed back. But it would start a war if that secret revealed.

or Like nazi doctors did horrible things. But if we have some note that laying around of there. Scientist would probally use them if they can help it

Dotn agree with Ben here, but can see that as a reason

The damage would be HUGE. HOnestly, it might straight up cause a war with Atlantis.

Still, if I were Ben I would at least try and alert members of the hero community to what I found.

Someone needs to keep tabs on Tony Stark. Ideally the government should be doing that, but they're clearly doing a pretty bad job if he was able to get away with this (unless of course SHIELD knew and was in on it all along).

There are legit reasons to fear Tony Stark... we can all say he's well intentioned till we're blue in the face, but this is clearly going above and beyond what one should sensibly consider acceptable.

[The Anti-Existence]

In case anyone doesn't have the issue or a scan of the interview, here it is. I wrote it all down for a guy on another forum and just figured I'd put it here.

I can’t get the scan right now... No scanner but I hope to buy one in a day or so. But, next best thing: here’s the entire “interview” with Cap in prison.

Cap: Hello Ben, Sally. I wish I could say it was a pleasure to see you but under the circumstances...

Sally: Dang... This place is six times the size of my apartment. I gotta get me some superpowers and get arrested.

Cap: Please come in and sit down. I understand you’ve been given permission by the authorities to let me express my side of what’s happened. I know you’re probably on a tight deadline. I feel I owe it to Ms. Floyd after our last encounter to be as straight as possible.

Ben: I warn you in advance. We’re going to ask you some very hard questions, sir.


Cap: I have every intention of answering as honestly and candidly as I possibly can. Can I ask what angle you’re taking.

Ben: A comparison of the two sides of the Registration debate, as described by registered and unregistered heroes. After you, we go to interview Tony Stark.

Cap: I haven’t had much of a chance to speak to Tony. When you see him, I’d like you to tell him how sorry I am for all this.

Ben Why don’t you tell him yourself, sir? This is your opportunity to explain your actions to the American people.

Cap: Hopefully you’ll ask the same questions of the Registration Act supporters. I asked them to come to the table earlier. They drew a line in the sand.

Ben: Did you and your supporters step over that line, sir? How much of your decision to go to war was made after careful study, and how much because of pride?

Cap: Pride was never involved. I believe what I did was right. If you know me at all, you’ll know I’m a simple man at heart. I believe in the fundamental freedoms accorded us by our Constitution, Ben. I believe we have a right to bear arms, a right to defend and a right to choose. I have sworn an oath to protect America from external forces, and from within. If that means standing against my own government, rejecting a bogus law passed by my own superiors, then I suppose that’s what it means. I now realize while my intentions were correct and honorable, I could as easily have come to the table as Tony Stark or Reed Richards. I saw the possibility of a Registration Act as a basic violation of our rights as Americans. For that, I wish to apologize to the country I love.

Ben: Sir, the people are going to ask “why not sooner?” If you recognize this now, why couldn’t you just have recognized it earlier and saved us millions in property damage?

Cap: People only come to a conclusion aftthey examine all aspects of a problem, Ben. That’s what happened here.

Ben: They sure do but most people don’t have the means to explore the pros and cons of an argument by tearing a city in half.

Cap: I did what I thought was right for America!

Sally: Let me ask you something, sir. Do you know what MySpace is?

Cap: I’m not sure I understand the relevance of that question, Sally –

(Note: Now Sally, using her keen investigative reporting skills, during an interview, will kindly rant about her own opinion)

Sally: No, you just don’t understand the question , sir. I’m trying to illustrate a point so bear with me. Do you know who won the last World Series, or who was the last American Idol? When was the last time you actually attended a NASCAR race? When was the last time you watched The Simpsons or logged onto YouTube to watch stupid videos? Answer?

Cap: ...
(Translation: What the ****?)

Sally: Exactly. Never. You hold America up as some shining beacon but you know next to nothing about it.

Cap: Miss Floyd, you’re being simplistic –

(More keen reporting and interviewing skills, interrupting the person you’re questioning!)

Sally: Yeah, but when danger rears its ugly head you don’t have to hide in a subway like the rest of us, do you? We don’t have the power to be as complicated as you. See I resent the fact I ever had to hide in a subway station in the first place. You people set yourselves up as some kind of army but I don’t remember voting for you. If I’m gonna pay for an army they’d better be answerable to me! So was it all worth it, sir? All those dead and buried...and what did you accomplish, exactly? Did you get to work the problem out to your satisfaction?

Cap: I understand you’re just voicing the frustrations of others Sally, but I did what I thought was right.

Sally: Well bully for you. You’ve finally realized America wants a Registration Act. But the big question on everyone’s mind is, why couldn’t you have realized that a few weeks ago? Your problem is that you’re fighting for an ideal. It’s all you know how to do. America is no longer about Mom and applie pie...it’s about high cholesterol and Paris Hilton and scheming your way to the top. The country I love treats its celebrities like royalty and its teachers like dirt. But at least I walk its streets everyday - at least I know what it is. You’ve broken that country, Captain America. What are you going to do to fix it?

[LongTimeReaderBR]

Well, whether or not they genuinely agreed with Stark, they still should have published the story. Why they didn't, I'm honestly not sure.

Ben's rationale is that they don't want to undo the good work Stark is doing, so there is a PRO reg sentiment there. But I don't believe they honestly agree with the methods Stark is using. I suppose at the end of the day that's open to interpretation though.

What I find odd is that, even if someone believes Stark is doing a good work with good intentions but had to make some questionable and maybe immoral decisions so as "the ends justify the means", that person shouldn't have any reservation in showing those dubious decisions to the public. Or doesn't the ends justify the means after all?

Publish that story, and at least let the public judge if the ends justify the means (heck, the way things went, MU public might even agree, who knows...). Or isn't Stark working for the benefit of the people?

In other words: if someone truly believes that the end justify the means, ok, but say and show to the world what are you doing and why. Show and prove that the ends justify the means. Unless, of course, you believe the "means" to achieve something for the people is hiding the truth from them. And then I wonder if that's what the people want from heroes and government.

[Adam C]

I still think you are one-sided on the villiany thing. A lot of posters think Steve has been behaving like Ultimate Cap, and, lambasting Steves actions as unlawfull. I think both are behaving with equal amounts of non-heroism.

But how are they behaving with equal amounts of non-heroism? Steve sided with a murderer whom he turned on as soon as he got out of line and was negligent regarding civilian deaths, but owned up to that and turned himself in. Stark was bragging about how constitutional protections didn't apply in the Negative Zone, abusing heroes inside the 42 prison, creating a zombie killing machine that he didn't bother to put proper restraints on, and hired a bunch a murderers who were kept in line with electroshocks. And to top it off he had some Atlanteans killed to generate a potential war so people would get behind a policy that already had widespread support. That pretty much tops anything Capt did. Is he going to own up to any of this? From the ending of Civil War #7 it doesn't look like it.


'Bunch of supervillians'? People under pressure can behave in a very bizzare manner.

The problem is that Capt's behaviour is the only one that makes sense as being under pressure or caused by the circumstances forced by war. Temporarily ignoring the safety of civilians and briefly siding with the Punisher out of desperation at least make some sense in the context of being desperate. Iron Man had the law and the entire resources of S.H.I.E.L.D. on his side, the support of the public, yet he resorted to what would be deemed war crimes to not only fight the war, but further bolster support for a popular policy. He's crossed the line into villainy, plain and simple.

[Calybos]

I think the message of the interview was quite clear, actually:

"Hey, Cap? You know the American People? The folks you've spent decades fighting for, championing, and defending at great personal risk and loss? Those guys? Well, they're basically dicks. They don't deserve you. You fight for the ideal of America, and America itself couldn't care less. They're not worthy of your heroism. Sorry 'bout that."

[tavella]

I think the message of the interview was quite clear, actually:

"Hey, Cap? You know the American People? The folks you've spent decades fighting for, championing, and defending at great personal risk and loss? Those guys? Well, they're basically dicks. They don't deserve you. You fight for the ideal of America, and America itself couldn't care less. They're not worthy of your heroism. Sorry 'bout that."

Nicely phrased, and sadly true.

[jackolover]

But how are they behaving with equal amounts of non-heroism? Steve sided with a murderer whom he turned on as soon as he got out of line and was negligent regarding civilian deaths, but owned up to that and turned himself in. Stark was bragging about how constitutional protections didn't apply in the Negative Zone, abusing heroes inside the 42 prison, creating a zombie killing machine that he didn't bother to put proper restraints on, and hired a bunch a murderers who were kept in line with electroshocks. And to top it off he had some Atlanteans killed to generate a potential war so people would get behind a policy that already had widespread support. That pretty much tops anything Capt did. Is he going to own up to any of this? From the ending of Civil War #7 it doesn't look like it.

I think Tony was genuinely remorsefull that Clor went berserk. Tony delegated that task to Reed, who is the real culprit in Clors failure.

The Negative Zone thing was not THAT bad. It was a contingency, but didn't hurt anyone.

The Killing of Atlanteans to forment war, and so, raise registrants and money - that can't be easily argued.

I could also site Cap hovering over Tony, Shield raise for the coup de grace, as a moment when Steve would kill Tony, but I will argue that Steve could never do that.





The problem is that Capt's behaviour is the only one that makes sense as being under pressure or caused by the circumstances forced by war. Temporarily ignoring the safety of civilians and briefly siding with the Punisher out of desperation at least make some sense in the context of being desperate. Iron Man had the law and the entire resources of S.H.I.E.L.D. on his side, the support of the public, yet he resorted to what would be deemed war crimes to not only fight the war, but further bolster support for a popular policy. He's crossed the line into villainy, plain and simple.


On weighing the points of villiany of both Steve and Tony, I have to agree, Tony's points do outweigh Steves. I would argue that Tony's preponderance to act more bizarre under pressure than Steve, should be taken into account. But yes, Tony's actions, as described by Sally and Ben, were pushing the limits somewhat, and, I was surprised the reporters were, both, willing to overlook these tactics by Tony, while both you and I are not. You look at how Sally ripped into Steve, and Steve was less culpable, while congratulating Tony, who appears more villianous. Huge contradiction there.

[IamtheRock3]

what I got to figure Sally and ben being sarcastic with Tony

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Perhaps Cap needs a new Xtreme make over, to get with the kids, created by some souless marketing firm.

Captain America: Yo, what's up my peeps. I'm C to A, Captain America, but you can call me C-Dog. I was just playing X-Box 360 (TM) and then watched some American Idol (TM) on Youtube (TM). All that stuff was awesome, to the xtreme!!! See kids I'm hip, I'm with it. Do the Dew! (TM) Now I'm going to some mad tricks on my skate board, Tony Hawke (TM) style. Peace out yo. (Under his breathe: I hate my life.)

There, that solves everything. :evilsmile

[RazzleDazzle]

"Hey, Cap? You know the American People? The folks you've spent decades fighting for, championing, and defending at great personal risk and loss? Those guys? Well, they're basically dicks. They don't deserve you. You fight for the ideal of America, and America itself couldn't care less. They're not worthy of your heroism. Sorry 'bout that."

I suppose it would be out of character, but this is perhaps the third time in his career that America has failed him? I, for once, wouldn't mind if Steve goes, 'F*ck it, you people are on your own' and leaves for a while. Maybe helps out in Annilahilation<sp> 2?

[AllisterH]

Cap: Pride was never involved. I believe what I did was right. If you know me at all, you’ll know I’m a simple man at heart. I believe in the fundamental freedoms accorded us by our Constitution, Ben. I believe we have a right to bear arms, a right to defend and a right to choose. I have sworn an oath to protect America from external forces, and from within. If that means standing against my own government, rejecting a bogus law passed by my own superiors, then I suppose that’s what it means.

You know, I missed this on my original reading.

Is anyone else surprised that Captain America rejects the gun-control lobby's view that only militias should have weapons?

[Niro]

If those reporters were being sarcastic with Tony then why did they say we wont make our findings public and we'll protect what you've done?

I think people are giving Mr.Jenkins too much credit that he's done something clever when actually he hasn't intended for that at all. I'm gonna give Jenkins 1 more chance with his next frontline title but if that messes up as badly as this then i'm not buying anything else he writes

And to Captain America i say go to a country where they would appreciate you, a third world country which is trying to develop itself and at same time having to fight ppl trying to stop change for the better would be a good place.

[zinderel]

I don't think solving global poverty and climate change is cynical. Everyone at Marvel have described Tony as another idealist, it is only his ideals are utopian and unlike Cap he knows how to actually have a shot at getting them done.

At what price though? I seem to remember a plotline on ANGEL a few years back in which the "Big Bad" of the season ended war, poverty and need, brought world peace, fixed the environment...the only price was, she had to eat a few people every day to maintain it and robbed humanity of their free will. Anyone who thought for themselves was either captured and brainwashed or outright killed to maintain the peace. Team Angel made the tough - and I think RIGHT - decision that free will was more important, that freedom to chose one's own road was better than peace without free will. That mankind would eventually realize for themeselves that peace and good was better than war and greed. That if genuine peace was to come, it couldn't be FORCED on people.

To me, Tony and his gang of fascistic supervillain lap-dogs and SHIELD (which at this point is basically a supervillain organization in and of itself anyways) are doing exactly what the big bad did. "Be like us, or we lock you up/kill you. You don't need free will, you have safety."

Yes, things need to change. People need to be held accountable. But the way things are being done is not the right way. It WILL backfire in Tony's face, at least if the writers and editors have any understanding of the underlying foundation of this country.

"Those who choose safety over liberty deserve neither," I think Franklin said...

[Deathstroke]

After reading the issue, I just want to know why they aren't publishing the story?

They are reporters, their job is to gather the facts and report them. This is a huge story about Stark being monstrously out of control on every possible level and they are going to bury the story?

That makes them as bad as Stark.

[zinderel]

After reading the issue, I just want to know why they aren't publishing the story?

Simple answer is that they don't want to end up in the gulag for voicing a dissenting opinion to the new regime...much like reporters in a certain European country after fascists took control several years back.

Other simple answer is that the writer is just plain sloppy.

*Shrugs* I guess it's up to us to decide...

[XPac]

Simple answer is that they don't want to end up in the gulag for voicing a dissenting opinion to the new regime...much like reporters in a certain European country after fascists took control several years back.

Other simple answer is that the writer is just plain sloppy.

*Shrugs* I guess it's up to us to decide...

Also, if they were to print the story I think there would be a very real possibility that this would start a war with Atlantis. If you're the reporters that's descent intentive to keep it quiet.

Imagine Namors reaction to reading about how Start intentionally committed a terrorist attack in order to scare the public into thinking Atlantis might invade.

[Deathstroke]

Also, if they were to print the story I think there would be a very real possibility that this would start a war with Atlantis. If you're the reporters that's descent intentive to keep it quiet.

Imagine Namors reaction to reading about how Start intentionally committed a terrorist attack in order to scare the public into thinking Atlantis might invade.

So truth and the reporting of it takes a back seat to covering for a guy who's not only a traitor to his "friends" but a traitor to his country?

[zinderel]

That's why I went with simple answers...less plot holes that way...*Grin*

[XPac]

So truth and the reporting of it takes a back seat to covering for a guy who's not only a traitor to his "friends" but a traitor to his country?

No, but truth and reporting might take a back seat to preventing a war.

If this was done, it wasn't as a favor to Stark. It was a favor to all the people that might die because of Stark.

[zinderel]

The question then becomes, "How do we take this person to task without causing an uprising that would take even more lives?"

At this point, it seems that TPTB at Marvel and in the 616 America are perfectly comfortable letting Tony get away with, basically, murder and terrorism, because doing so lets them keep the comfortable peace that ignorance brings...instead of the uncomfortable questions that the truth raises.

[XPac]

The question then becomes, "How do we take this person to task without causing an uprising that would take even more lives?"

At this point, it seems that TPTB at Marvel and in the 616 America are perfectly comfortable letting Tony get away with, basically, murder and terrorism, because doing so lets them keep the comfortable peace that ignorance brings...instead of the uncomfortable questions that the truth raises.

I think they are only alllowing Stark to get away with this in the short term... because I think they do want this new status quo to stick around at least for a while.

Eventually kharma will come back to haunt Tony Stark for his sins. We're already seeing Hulk to bite Stark and company in the @$$ for what Stark did to him. This stuff never gets completely swept under the carpet. There's always a price.

[garin]

"Those who choose safety over liberty deserve neither," I think Franklin said...I'm so tired of this stupid quote (somewhat mangled in this case.) "Those who would choose safety over liberty" include every society ever.

It is a continuum, and as such it is always (and only) a question of where you draw the line. This kind of absolutist platitude is so simplistic as to be meaningless.

[bulbasteve]

I'm so tired of this stupid quote (somewhat mangled in this case.) "Those who would choose safety over liberty" include every society ever.

It is a continuum, and as such it is always (and only) a question of where you draw the line. This kind of absolutist platitude is so simplistic as to be meaningless.

Well it's a good thing the actual quote is "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." It's also a good it doesn't actually apply.

And hey it's a good thing we have our own simplistic platitude "thy liberty in law" :p

[XPac]

I'm so tired of this stupid quote (somewhat mangled in this case.) "Those who would choose safety over liberty" include every society ever.

It is a continuum, and as such it is always (and only) a question of where you draw the line. This kind of absolutist platitude is so simplistic as to be meaningless.

I actually think the ignorant paranoid ingrate citizens of the MU are exactly the type of people Franklin might have had in mind.

In the MU, it should probably be re-worded to say: " Those stupid enough to give up Captain America for Vemon and Bullseye deserve what they get."

[crimsondiablo]

I actually think the ignorant paranoid ingrate citizens of the MU are exactly the type of people Franklin might have had in mind.

In the MU, it should probably be re-worded to say: " Those stupid enough to give up Captain America for Vemon and Bullseye deserve what they get."

that is the best re-worded quote ever. amen to that!

[Niro]

As reporters they have the duty to report everything to the public that reads their stuff...if they dnt wanna publish their findings to protect the american people from possible war with Atlantis then they can just leave out the arranged attack on Atlantis diplomat. That way they'll protect the public, reveal Stark as the backstabbing sonofabitch that he is and restore the image of the anti-reg heroes like Captain America.

I really do think that people are giving too much credit that Jenkins has actually written this story with all those thoughts in mind.

I demand a interview to explain this damn issue!

[Jack Zodiac]

Worst issue of any comic ever, and I'm not just throwing that around, I really mean it.

"Nobody likes you, Captain America, because you don't watch YouTube religiously or have a MySpace account!"

Get !@#$in' bent, Jenkins.

[myslead]

Worst issue of any comic ever, and I'm not just throwing that around, I really mean it.

"Nobody likes you, Captain America, because you don't watch YouTube religiously or have a MySpace account!"

Get !@#$in' bent, Jenkins.

do you think Tony Stark has a myspace account ? and what about Nick Fury ? do you think he updates his whereabouts throughout his myspace blog ?

that statement (Sally's statement that is) was pointless.

[garin]

do you think Tony Stark has a myspace account ? and what about Nick Fury ? do you think he updates his whereabouts throughout his myspace blog ?
Of course Tony has one, he's a high-tech womanizer. With his Extremis powers he can imbed funny Youtube videos and make inane blog posts even in the midst of battle.

Nick Fury has probably set his profile to private.

[CMBMOOL]

I think they are only alllowing Stark to get away with this in the short term... because I think they do want this new status quo to stick around at least for a while.

Eventually kharma will come back to haunt Tony Stark for his sins. We're already seeing Hulk to bite Stark and company in the @$$ for what Stark did to him. This stuff never gets completely swept under the carpet. There's always a price.

And the price in this case is this...http://www.leaderslair.com/noexcuses/hulkan11.jpg

[Deathstroke]

Worst issue of any comic ever, and I'm not just throwing that around, I really mean it.

"Nobody likes you, Captain America, because you don't watch YouTube religiously or have a MySpace account!"

Get !@#$in' bent, Jenkins.

I think you'll like this:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Zevad/civilwaraargh.jpg

[Enigmanaut]

I can't tell you how much I wanted to scream at Sally Floyd "Shut up, you vapid, vapid idiot." She's confronting a man who only concerns himself with ideals, and the things that really matter about America, and holding the meaningless crap that we distract ourselves so that we don't have to deal with ideals and the things that really matter as if they were the more paramount.

If she were a real reporter in this universe, she'd have the floor mopped with her in any kind of debate. She's just not that bright.

[XPac]

I can't tell you how much I wanted to scream at Sally Floyd "Shut up, you vapid, vapid idiot." She's confronting a man who only concerns himself with ideals, and the things that really matter about America, and holding the meaningless crap that we distract ourselves so that we don't have to deal with ideals and the things that really matter as if they were the more paramount.

If she were a real reporter in this universe, she'd have the floor mopped with her in any kind of debate. She's just not that bright.

She got away with it simply because Cap is a nice guy and understands some of her frustrations.

A lesser person would have sunk to her level. But Cap is better than that.

[StoneGold]

She got away with it simply because Cap is a nice guy and understands some of her frustrations.

A lesser person would have sunk to her level. But Cap is better than that.

That, and Cap is still probably a little shocky from almost having killed Tony. That'll mess with a guy's head for a couple days.

[Capt USA]

In case anyone doesn't have the issue or a scan of the interview, here it is. I wrote it all down for a guy on another forum and just figured I'd put it here.

I can’t get the scan right now... No scanner but I hope to buy one in a day or so. But, next best thing: here’s the entire “interview” with Cap in prison.

Cap: Hello Ben, Sally. I wish I could say it was a pleasure to see you but under the circumstances...

Sally: Dang... This place is six times the size of my apartment. I gotta get me some superpowers and get arrested.

Cap: Please come in and sit down. I understand you’ve been given permission by the authorities to let me express my side of what’s happened. I know you’re probably on a tight deadline. I feel I owe it to Ms. Floyd after our last encounter to be as straight as possible.

Ben: I warn you in advance. We’re going to ask you some very hard questions, sir.


Cap: I have every intention of answering as honestly and candidly as I possibly can. Can I ask what angle you’re taking.

Ben: A comparison of the two sides of the Registration debate, as described by registered and unregistered heroes. After you, we go to interview Tony Stark.

Cap: I haven’t had much of a chance to speak to Tony. When you see him, I’d like you to tell him how sorry I am for all this.

Ben Why don’t you tell him yourself, sir? This is your opportunity to explain your actions to the American people.

Cap: Hopefully you’ll ask the same questions of the Registration Act supporters. I asked them to come to the table earlier. They drew a line in the sand.

Ben: Did you and your supporters step over that line, sir? How much of your decision to go to war was made after careful study, and how much because of pride?

Cap: Pride was never involved. I believe what I did was right. If you know me at all, you’ll know I’m a simple man at heart. I believe in the fundamental freedoms accorded us by our Constitution, Ben. I believe we have a right to bear arms, a right to defend and a right to choose. I have sworn an oath to protect America from external forces, and from within. If that means standing against my own government, rejecting a bogus law passed by my own superiors, then I suppose that’s what it means. I now realize while my intentions were correct and honorable, I could as easily have come to the table as Tony Stark or Reed Richards. I saw the possibility of a Registration Act as a basic violation of our rights as Americans. For that, I wish to apologize to the country I love.

Ben: Sir, the people are going to ask “why not sooner?” If you recognize this now, why couldn’t you just have recognized it earlier and saved us millions in property damage?

Cap: People only come to a conclusion aftthey examine all aspects of a problem, Ben. That’s what happened here.

Ben: They sure do but most people don’t have the means to explore the pros and cons of an argument by tearing a city in half.

Cap: I did what I thought was right for America!

Sally: Let me ask you something, sir. Do you know what MySpace is?

Cap: I’m not sure I understand the relevance of that question, Sally –

(Note: Now Sally, using her keen investigative reporting skills, during an interview, will kindly rant about her own opinion)

Sally: No, you just don’t understand the question , sir. I’m trying to illustrate a point so bear with me. Do you know who won the last World Series, or who was the last American Idol? When was the last time you actually attended a NASCAR race? When was the last time you watched The Simpsons or logged onto YouTube to watch stupid videos? Answer?

Cap: ...
(Translation: What the ****?)

Sally: Exactly. Never. You hold America up as some shining beacon but you know next to nothing about it.

Cap: Miss Floyd, you’re being simplistic –

(More keen reporting and interviewing skills, interrupting the person you’re questioning!)

Sally: Yeah, but when danger rears its ugly head you don’t have to hide in a subway like the rest of us, do you? We don’t have the power to be as complicated as you. See I resent the fact I ever had to hide in a subway station in the first place. You people set yourselves up as some kind of army but I don’t remember voting for you. If I’m gonna pay for an army they’d better be answerable to me! So was it all worth it, sir? All those dead and buried...and what did you accomplish, exactly? Did you get to work the problem out to your satisfaction?

Cap: I understand you’re just voicing the frustrations of others Sally, but I did what I thought was right.

Sally: Well bully for you. You’ve finally realized America wants a Registration Act. But the big question on everyone’s mind is, why couldn’t you have realized that a few weeks ago? Your problem is that you’re fighting for an ideal. It’s all you know how to do. America is no longer about Mom and applie pie...it’s about high cholesterol and Paris Hilton and scheming your way to the top. The country I love treats its celebrities like royalty and its teachers like dirt. But at least I walk its streets everyday - at least I know what it is. You’ve broken that country, Captain America. What are you going to do to fix it?

wow, Sally is quite possibly the most incompetent reporter ever, I swear this had to have been a skit on the daily show as that is the only way I can imagine anyone thinking the way she does. Heck I couldn't tell her who won american idol? you know why? I have a brain you retaded nitwit.

[Evan Waters]

"Incompetent reporter" is far, far too kind. "Stupid, stupid human being" is getting close.

[trickster]

Worst issue of any comic ever, and I'm not just throwing that around, I really mean it.

"Nobody likes you, Captain America, because you don't watch YouTube religiously or have a MySpace account!"

Get !@#$in' bent, Jenkins.
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. He's actually right you know. That's the spirit of today. "Hey, Jesus! Do you watch tranny porn? No? You suck!"

[Deathstroke]

"Incompetent reporter" is far, far too kind. "Stupid, stupid human being" is getting close.

Makes Paris Hilton look like a Rhodes Scholar is better.

[Pro]

And i thought Bill o'Reilly was bad .. well he is .. about as bad as Sally ..

[Alan2099]

wow, Sally is quite possibly the most incompetent reporter ever, I swear this had to have been a skit on the daily show as that is the only way I can imagine anyone thinking the way she does. Heck I couldn't tell her who won american idol? you know why? I have a brain you retaded nitwit.
Actually, I'm reminded of UHF, where Weird Al has a spot as a talk show host and he's interviewing Satan.

The Devil's just sitting their calm and nice going, "Look, al I'm trying to say is ..." then Al goes, "You make me sick!" and splashes a glass of water on his face.

Of course that was supposed to be a parody and this WAS the devil.

[Niro]

and for all those defending front line's ending that said Tony Stark had a number of reasons why he did what he did, including to prevent a war with Atlantis, well that reason is out the window because USA is going to war with Atlantis anyway and surprise the MU US government is the agressor.

Wonder how long it will take for all the reasons Tony did what he did to be thrown out the window, the ending keeps gettin worse and worse

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Cap - You try to represent the best of America, I can't respect you unless you get down in the muck with me.

Iron Man - You used the SHRA to further your own goals putting the American people at risk while doing so - You are a great man!

I believe this is what Sally's view was in this issue, as pathetic as it is.


Also, here's a bitter taste of irony. Has anyone noticed that the New Thunderbolts are operating similarly to the New Warriors? I mean they are doing exactly what the New Warriors were doing, without a live T.V show (but a reality T.V show based on them).

Seriously, WTF.

[IamtheRock3]

what Can I say

Ohio loves those thunderbolts

[Karthak]

Iron Man - You used the SHRA to further your own goals putting the American people at risk while doing so - You are a great man!

I believe this is what Sally's view was in this issue, as pathetic as it is.




It was pretty obvious to me that Sally was being sarcastic when she applauded Stark.

[Machinedude]

So why didn't Sally mention reality T.V. shows in her examples of "What it means to be an American"?

Oh, thats right. Thats how this whole situation got started in the first place!!

Silly me,;)

[bulbasteve]

and for all those defending front line's ending that said Tony Stark had a number of reasons why he did what he did, including to prevent a war with Atlantis, well that reason is out the window because USA is going to war with Atlantis anyway and surprise the MU US government is the agressor.

Wonder how long it will take for all the reasons Tony did what he did to be thrown out the window, the ending keeps gettin worse and worse


How is that? You had people in the middle of planning a terrorist attack in Frontline and in Namor a group will actually succeeds in the terrorist attack.

[IamtheRock3]

How is that? You had people in the middle of planning a terrorist attack in Frontline and in Namor a group will actually succeeds in the terrorist attack.

Why shoot the diplomat though unless Tony WANTED a war.

instead of just attack the Cell, Now he gave the extremist justifacation and thus getting more of Namor people on thier side.

[Nightingale7]

Hello thre,new user here,but the civil war discussion forced me out of lurking mode,so I could join the discussion.Say what you want about CW,but it did manage to fulfill one of the earlier promises (Split the fans opinion in half,wasn't it?).
As most people,I am pretty disappointed with Sally Floyde's antiprofessional stance.She may have had a tiny bit of a point,but she lost it the second MySpace got out of her mouth.Cap may have to acknowledge the change in the american public "values",even if only to get to "know the enemy".If he understood the climate better,perhaps he could have approached the matter in a different way that would have ended with less collateral damage.
But seriously "Your problem is you're fighting for an ideal"?Since when is that considered a frickin' problem?
Basically Sally's stance is "My country is shitty,and it has gone to hell but I still love America,and you try to change it for the better instead of compromising?YOU BASTARD!"
She could at least mention something about children fatalities,since Stamford started all of this,and also when we first saw Sally she was too a grieving mother that lost her child,like Miriam Sharpe,though she blamed M-Day instead of Stamford.

A funny image has popped in my mind now:
Maria Hill,Sally Floyde and Miriam Sharpe sitting on a couch,while Iron Man's image appears on a video phone "Hello Tony!" "Hello angels (substitute stupid bitches here if you want :p )"

[Perry Holley]

What Cap SHOULD have said (http://mightygodking.livejournal.com/300945.html#cutid1)

I want a "Cap was right" t-shirt.

[DHX]

you know that bit with sally flloyd? it just reassures me that i made the right decision dropping marvel heroes, of course hulks going to draw me back in

[oldscool]

there going to do a world war hulk frontline too:evilsmile

just so we all can complain (actualy i liked the Acused story )

[XPac]

there going to do a world war hulk frontline too:evilsmile

just so we all can complain (actualy i liked the Acused story )

If the way Sally talks to Cap is indicative of how Sally will act when she's trying to interview the Hulk, then I'm really looking forward to WWH Frontline.

[Exo]

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1121/hulkvssallygg9.png

[Niro]

hahahaha if that comes true in WWH frontline then im still definitely not gonna buy it