Eddie Brock's returning as Venom

[Keehar]

Good news for you Venom fans, looks like Gargan's days as Venom are numbered. Brock is due to return as Venom in an up coming issue of Sensational Spider-Man, according to a new interview.

Here, it's the very last question: http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/cup_o_joe.html

[Frank]

Bummer.

I think Eddie Brock should have been the new Ronin. I think the character has become badass enough now that he doesn't need the symbiote.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

I hate Brock.
Gargan Venom actually made me like him again.
At least he was a blank slate. And a less 90's monster looking one.

[Keehar]

I think the character has become badass enough now that he doesn't need the symbiote.

I never saw Brock as badass. He's a weak kneed loser, IMO. Without the symbiote, he's nothing.

[Sparda]

Without the symbiote he's nothing? The guy survived prison without the symbiote and would probably have shiv Kassady if he tried to get him.

YES!!!!!!!!! I hope this time brock is not the ohhhhhh I hate spidey Attitude. Hope they give him a cool new purpose. Now that they said on the up coming issue of SSM, I'd like to know why the symbiote ditches gargon and if Eddie himself would join the thunderbolts or not (hope so though).

[Keehar]

Without the symbiote he's nothing? The guy survived prison without the symbiote and would probably have shiv Kassady if he tried to get him.

He's a spineless loser, who blames everyone else for his own self inflicted problems.

When the going gets tough, he turns suicidal.

That's not badass.

[Sean Whitmore]

When the going gets tough, he turns suicidal.

That much is true. He's up to three attempts now, I believe.


SEAN

[lonewolf23k]

Without the symbiote he's nothing? The guy survived prison without the symbiote and would probably have shiv Kassady if he tried to get him.

YES!!!!!!!!! I hope this time brock is not the ohhhhhh I hate spidey Attitude. Hope they give him a cool new purpose. Now that they said on the up coming issue of SSM, I'd like to know why the symbiote ditches gargon and if Eddie himself would join the thunderbolts or not (hope so though).

Maybe the return of "Venom the Lethal Protector"? ...Now that would be interesting...

[The Lucky One]

I hate Brock.
Gargan Venom actually made me like him again.
At least he was a blank slate. And a less 90's monster looking one.

I actually prefer the original Venom look. I'm fine with Gargan as Venom, I just wish they'd go back to drawing him like Venom used to look. The eyes-within-the-eyes thing really weirds me out.

Of course, Quesada's comment could just as easily mean Sensational Spider-Man will show a flashback encounter with Brock or something. But if it actually does mean he'll be returning as Venom, it makes you wonder what (if anything) that does to Ellis's Thunderbolts plans. Assuming he had anything specifically in mind for Gargan.

-D

[Doom Hammer]

That much is true. He's up to three attempts now, I believe.


SEAN

Really? Wow. Zero for three, not the best record. What do you call someone who can't even kill themselves right? What a screw-up. He's so sucky; he's like a pillar of suckiness, the absolute human definition of suckiness.

"Geez, it was a simple task, and he still Brocked it up." People should say that, as an expression for sucking.

[Will.S]

Eh, I suppose it was an eventual thing but I'd rather they kept Gargan as Venom since he's able to fully retain the scary ruthlessness that Brock lost over the years and probably even takes it to another level.

I say keep running with Mac or reach some sort of compromise between the two by keeping them far apart.

[Sparda]

He's a spineless loser, who blames everyone else for his own self inflicted problems.

When the going gets tough, he turns suicidal.

That's not badass.
Ya your right on that one....but you gotta admit, it is fun seeing a dark reflection of Peter in venom and seeing him cut loose is just so fun :)

[Sean Whitmore]

"Geez, it was a simple task, and he still Brocked it up." People should say that, as an expression for sucking.

It does have hard "ck" sound that makes a great expression of distaste. I approve.


SEAN

[MAK15]

Maybe the return of "Venom the Lethal Protector"? ...Now that would be interesting...

DUDE!
Eddie Brock Venom against the Initiative!
making the Thunderbolts hunt down half of their old partner!
that would be sweet!

...but I also thought that Brock would get some face time in Mighty Avengers? at least thats what an issue of Wizard Magazine said...

[PunisherFan]

I can't wait to see Brock and Gargan face off. They should have Brock steal the symbiote from that female one (Scream) and then they can both battle in symbiotes.

[BigBoss]

if brocks getting the symbiote back then........ whats the point of the back in black event eith spidey, the black fabric isint what made the suit cool. it was the idea of the symbiote beaing real. so why r they doing this? and if spidey dioes indeed get the symbiote sut real black suit. Iam so confuesd and this is such a bad idea!

[MAK15]

if brocks getting the symbiote back then........ whats the point of the back in black event eith spidey, the black fabric isint what made the suit cool. it was the idea of the symbiote beaing real. so why r they doing this? and if spidey dioes indeed get the symbiote sut real black suit. Iam so confuesd and this is such a bad idea!

okay...take a deeeep breath. and listen.
the black costume was important because of the symiote, true. but it was also important because it was Spidey's first costume change in many a year. Also one of the first major changes for a time that the secret war had on a character.
A reason why they're doing this now is partially because of the Spidey movie. The other reason is because of the civil war tie in where...well, if you dont know, I aint spoilin it.
The black costume represents the hard times for spidey. He's a wnated fugitive. that black is gonna be helpful when hes hiding in the dark alley way as the poh-leese pass him by.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

Plus Peter wouldn't in his right mind ever except the symbiote back. That is against his morals. Despite what anyone says, I'm surprised nobody didn't expect Eddie would be back as Venom right before the release of a movie he is in.

I remember Eddie attempting suicide two times. I know that in his origin he went to church to beg forgiveness before going to take his life. The symbiote just happened to be there and tada. The second was after he auctioned off the symbiote and it ended up killing its new host. I always just took it as Eddie's personality being the mirror opposite of Peter's. Where Peter has to be responsible with his great powers, Eddie is anything but responsible for anything he's caused himself. Where Peter swore responsibility after causing Ben's death, Eddie would just probably blame someone else or take the irresponsible way out (suicide).

I get the feeling Eddie/Venom will justify Spider-Man being a nationwide villain in the public eye a reason for wanting to kill him. Psycho that he is.

[BeastieRunner]

For every step Spider-man as a character takes going forward, he ends up taking three more backwards. This is dumb in my book, if you're gonna make a big change, please make it last. Gargan as Venom was cool and different, Brock got boring and will be boring again. Then he'll just attempt suicide again.

[Venom]

Yes! Yes! Yes! I was right!! I knew he'd make his comeback in "Sensational Spider-Man"! The one, true Venom's finally coming back!!! I sure hope they go back to the original Venom design. That Gargan one with the little eyes always freaked me out.

[Nefarius]

For every step Spider-man as a character takes going forward, he ends up taking three more backwards. This is dumb in my book, if you're gonna make a big change, please make it last. Gargan as Venom was cool and different, Brock got boring and will be boring again. Then he'll just attempt suicide again.

I agree.I don't want to see Brock's return so soon.In fact i like Gargan-venom.

[Brian Cronin]

My favorite Brock story was Planet of the Symbiotes, so I am pleased that he is returning as Venom.

Was Gargan Venom during Planet of the Symbiotes? NOPE! So screw him!

Bring Brock Back!

-Brian

[The Mirrorball Man]

Every change, no matter how small, no matter how innovative, no matter how trivial, is getting erased. All hail the Great Reset Button!

[Magneto Rocks]

Interesting to see if Brock will be Venom for long. I'd bet against it.

[streator]

to me that comment sounded like brock is just going to appear for one issue, not take over the symbiote full-time again.

[froinlaven]

I'm pretty sure he was referring to Sensational Spider-Man Annual #1....The issue that is pretty much all flash backs.....

[Sean Whitmore]

I remember Eddie attempting suicide two times. I know that in his origin he went to church to beg forgiveness before going to take his life. The symbiote just happened to be there and tada. The second was after he auctioned off the symbiote and it ended up killing its new host.

I also counted Jenkins' "Hunger" story, bad as it was. Brock basically wanted to remain separated from the symbiote long enough for his cancer to kill him. That's suicidal, even though it's for a (comparatively) noble cause.


SEAN

[ultimatespyder20]

So what will happen to Gargan on Thunderbolts? Will he just become Scorpion again, or will Brock take his place on the team? I like Brock and all, but the guy had the suit for a long time. I liked this new Venom, and we've barely seen much of him, and now Marvel is just going to throw him away. But, since this event will happen in Sensational Spidey I might start buying the title. :D

Alec

[MAK15]

So what will happen to Gargan on Thunderbolts? Will he just become Scorpion again, or will Brock take his place on the team? I like Brock and all, but the guy had the suit for a long time. I liked this new Venom, and we've barely seen much of him, and now Marvel is just going to throw him away. But, since this event will happen in Sensational Spidey I might start buying the title. :D

Alec

I've been wondering about Gargan as well.
Im guessing that Norman will just throw Gargan in jail since the Scorpion's pretty useless against most super-heroes, and Brock will probably go against the SHRA in order to protect the innocent bystanders with his own brand of justice.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

The panel said IN the issue. He would be Venom again, not, premiering in the issue, not starting with the issue... not, as a member of the TBolts.... IN the issue. Everything else is circumstantial, and really assuming a lot, and assuming they'd reveal an important plot point in an upcoming story, QUITE so thoughtlessly (not impossible, definately, but implausibleto be sure.)

[We R. Venom]

Who said Eddie Brock is returning as Venom. He is returning to comics as Eddie Brock. I didnt see anything about him definately becoming Venom again. Just wait and see. Yes, Gargan sucks ****, but its not written in stone yet.

[MAK15]

Who said Eddie Brock is returning as Venom. He is returning to comics as Eddie Brock. I didnt see anything about him definately becoming Venom again. Just wait and see. Yes, Gargan sucks ****, but its not written in stone yet.

Joey Q said so this weekend: "Will we see Eddie Brock as Venom again? McCann: Yes, in an upcoming issue of Sensational Spider-Man. "

now, it could be a flashback. but still.
Eddie Brock does indeed return as Venom

[Titanium]

Eddie Brock as Venom in Flashback form more than likely. Gargan Venom seems like he's playing too big of a role in Thunderbolts to have the symbiote ditch him. Plus SHIELDs probably got nanite keeps the symbiote from running.

Maybe it's Eddie coming out of his coma after flashing back to the last days of him being Venom and then getting his second change by being given the Scorpion suit Osborn built. Or maybe the new Iron Spider.

[DrewEdwards]

It would be an easy enough idea to give Eddie another alien suit. The original suit spawned off offspring before. Isn't that Toxin character still running around?

I'm not real big on Mac as Venom. For one, I like Scorpion. He's a classic villain in my opinion.I also like the Brock character. Sure they over used him in the 90's. But now that we've had a break, give him a big come back.

Even if it's just a flash back. I can't see ScorpiVenom lasting forever.

[MAK15]

It would be an easy enough idea to give Eddie another alien suit. The original suit spawned off offspring before. Isn't that Toxin character still running around?

I'm not real big on Mac as Venom. For one, I like Scorpion. He's a classic villain in my opinion.I also like the Brock character. Sure they over used him in the 90's. But now that we've had a break, give him a big come back.

Even if it's just a flash back. I can't see ScorpiVenom lasting forever.

dude, it took years, maybe a decade for Carnage to pump Toxin out. Toxin aint goin through birthin for a while.

[The Punished]

Well, it could happen that quickly if Marvel wanted to further a storyline along.

I think the Gargan Venom is edgy right now but just like all edgy heroes or villians especially if fanboys love them, they kinda water them down to be more reader friendly.

It was also open the door for a new storyline about Gargan post-Venom and who he becomes and what he does, like, go try to get symbiote back as he feels he is the true host for it now, or it could split in half part going with Eddie part with Gargan thereby depowering both of them a bit but providing yet another antagonistic plot in this crazy storyline.

[zeroEDGE]

man its so awesome to hear the eddie is gunna be venom again... the current situation with venom... im not a big fan of... yea.. just something about scorpion and venom not being a good match together for me.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

man its so awesome to hear the eddie is gunna be venom again... the current situation with venom... im not a big fan of... yea.. just something about scorpion and venom not being a good match together for me.

Sure they do. Scorpions are venomous arachnids ;)

[The Shelf]

Hey, maybe Scorpion could get his old suit back, and Venom could split off some of himself to put in Scorpion's tail before he rejoins Eddie. That way when Scorpion attacks, he could actually shoot.... What? Why are you all looking at me like that?

[We R. Venom]

Well as always, I will wait and read it when it comes out to see what is true. Thanks for the info though.

[Testament_X]

I'd like to see the symbiote show some kind of awareness in the transfer. I am thinking that a desperate Brock, in almost suicidal move tries to take on Scorpvenom despite being powerless. Then if the suit makes contact, it responds to the recognition, or maybe is able to "read" Eddie and reattaches itself. I hope they go back to a spiderman-esque look, not necessarily the old one.

Also this could be a good time to make other changes to the character, like maybe more humanoid like the original adaptation.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

I'd like to see the symbiote show some kind of awareness in the transfer. I am thinking that a desperate Brock, in almost suicidal move tries to take on Scorpvenom despite being powerless. Then if the suit makes contact, it responds to the recognition, or maybe is able to "read" Eddie and reattaches itself. I hope they go back to a spiderman-esque look, not necessarily the old one.

Also this could be a good time to make other changes to the character, like maybe more humanoid like the original adaptation.


Speaking of which, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't alter his appearance to mirror the movie version just like they did for Mystique, Toad, and Doc Ock. Although to be fair Venom looked just like movie-Venom in Spider-Girl #5 where he basically looked like Venom with the Spider-Man web pattern on his body.


I actually don't mind what what Scorp Venom looks like. He looked really kick ass in Civil War.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/midnightwolfrose/venom44.jpg

[zeroEDGE]

I'd like to see the symbiote show some kind of awareness in the transfer. I am thinking that a desperate Brock, in almost suicidal move tries to take on Scorpvenom despite being powerless. Then if the suit makes contact, it responds to the recognition, or maybe is able to "read" Eddie and reattaches itself. I hope they go back to a spiderman-esque look, not necessarily the old one.

Also this could be a good time to make other changes to the character, like maybe more humanoid like the original adaptation.

that is a pretty good idea, i hope they do it

[CMBMOOL]

I LOVE the original Venom, and somewhat despise the current incarnation of the character. I truly hope that Eddie is reunite with the Symbiote. :D :p

[Kelly Tindall]

Don't forget that the Carnage symbiote is still out in space. No reason it can't crash to earth with Kasady's bones still inside.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

Don't forget that the Carnage symbiote is still out in space. No reason it can't crash to earth with Kasady's bones still inside.

As long as Bendis has Marvel's favor I don't think 616 Carnage will be back anytime soon.

What a few weird years. Carnage is dead, Doc Ock is Doc Goth, and Electro likes man sex.

[Sean Whitmore]

Don't forget that the Carnage symbiote is still out in space. No reason it can't crash to earth with Kasady's bones still inside.

That's a good point. No reason to assume that Kasady's symbiote is dead, after all. It doesn't need to breath, isn't affected by cold, is probably tough enough to withstand the pressure, and doesn't die just by being torn.

Of course, someone would need to go retrieve it, as it couldn't survive reentry. :)


SEAN

[MAK15]

As long as Bendis has Marvel's favor I don't think 616 Carnage will be back anytime soon.

What a few weird years. Carnage is dead, Doc Ock is Doc Goth, and Electro likes man sex.

wow...I've been out of comics longer than I thought.
when did that happen?
or were you joking?

[Sean Whitmore]

wow...I've been out of comics longer than I thought.
when did that happen?
or were you joking?

Marvel Knights Spider-Man #2.

Throwaway joke or shocking revelation? U-Decide! :D


SEAN

[MAK15]

Marvel Knights Spider-Man #2.

Throwaway joke or shocking revelation? U-Decide! :D


SEAN

HA! funny.

[Keehar]

What a few weird years. Carnage is dead, Doc Ock is Doc Goth, and Electro likes man sex.

Carnage is no great loss. Ock's lost the goth look, and is back to his classic look. The Electro thing was friggin' hilarious :D

[Kelly Tindall]

I fully expect Eddie Brock to return as Carnage. I expected it the second that Kasady died and Gargan got the black suit.

I loved Doc Ock's redesign. It was a bit Matrix, but it was a damn sight better than the rubbish Mole Man math teacher look that made him a B-lister for thirty years.

Gay Electro? Eh, whatever.

[Nosgoth Phantom]

I fully expect Eddie Brock to return as Carnage. I expected it the second that Kasady died and Gargan got the black suit.

I loved Doc Ock's redesign. It was a bit Matrix, but it was a damn sight better than the rubbish Mole Man math teacher look that made him a B-lister for thirty years.

Gay Electro? Eh, whatever.

Since when has Dock Ock ever been a B-lister? o.O Seriously, besides Green Goblin Doc Ock is one of Spidey's greatest foes.

[CMBMOOL]

Since when has Dock Ock ever been a B-lister? o.O Seriously, besides Green Goblin Doc Ock is one of Spidey's greatest foes.

Spider-man Movies proved that fact. :D

[Keehar]

I loved Doc Ock's redesign. It was a bit Matrix, but it was a damn sight better than the rubbish Mole Man math teacher look that made him a B-lister for thirty years.

Ock a B-lister?? o_O

Don't know what comic books you were reading.....

[Kelly Tindall]

Seriously, besides Green Goblin Doc Ock is one of Spidey's greatest foes.

I still think he's pretty low-rent in the grand scheme of Marvel villains. What was his greatest feat? Getting killed by Kaine? Betraying or getting betrayed by the Sinister Six over and over? Marrying Aunt May to steal her nuclear power plant?

He was impressive when he commanded the adamantium arms, I will admit. The Ultimate version is pretty bad-ass, what with the Clone Saga and whatnot. Moreover, he was performed amazingly well in the movie, but he's ultimately pretty 4-F.

[Keehar]

I still think he's pretty low-rent in the grand scheme of Marvel villains. What was his greatest feat? Getting killed by Kaine? Betraying or getting betrayed by the Sinister Six over and over? Marrying Aunt May to steal her nuclear power plant?

Ummm Ock betrayed the Sinister Six, not the other way around. He brain washed Spidey into being his criminal partner, was involved in the death of Captain Stacy, bashed Black Cat nearly to death, terrorized the city with various extortion and mass murder schemes, started gang wars, saved Spidey's life so he could kill Spidey for himself, beat Spidey so badly that he quit being Spider-Man, unmasked Spidey, beat the living hell out of Fusion, nearly caused a war to break out trying to force Spidey to unmask in Times Square, was the Master Planner, trashed the Parker home and caused May to have a stroke, kidnapped Peter's gf Betty Brant several times, and much more.

EDIT: Didn't Ock also create some kind of Spider-Woman assassin or something??

Ock is A-list. No question. Only Ock and Norman are Spidey's real A-list villains, IMO.

I don't see how a change in his costume makes him better as a character. He's as deadly as he always was.

[Sean Whitmore]

I still think he's pretty low-rent in the grand scheme of Marvel villains.

Well sure, you open the playing field to include Kang and Thanos and Doom, then Ock comes up short. But among Spider-Man villains, he's pretty unquestionably the #2 guy.


SEAN

[PunisherFan]

Ock is definately A-list along with Norman. I would also have to throw Venom in there as well (the Brock version)

[stealthwise]

Well sure, you open the playing field to include Kang and Thanos and Doom, then Ock comes up short. But among Spider-Man villains, he's pretty unquestionably the #2 guy.


SEAN

#1. Norman normally gets the top nod due to poor retcons.

I'd say that Doc Ock is far more entertaining and memorable than both Kang and Thanos as well, as he's been involved in far more stories that showcased his strengths. If you're talking "rumbles" style showdowns of power, then a costume won't really matter much either way.

[Venom]

Since when has Dock Ock ever been a B-lister? o.O Seriously, besides Green Goblin Doc Ock is one of Spidey's greatest foes.

Saying Doc Ock is a B-lister is like saying the Shocker's an A-lister.

[darkhawk76]

for me Doc Ock is Spidey's No1 villian he lasted longest

even GG was 'dead' for 20 years or so

Venom is best modern day villian, but I find him a bit overhyped and repetitive

but these guys are the 1-2-3

edit: though I've contridicted myself on the other thread by putting JJJ 3rd

[Testament_X]

I thought Carnage was the coolest thing when he first came out (I was 12), but shortly after realized he was just uninspired.... I have always wished that one day Venom could re-absorb the carnage symbiote, and evolve itself. In fact I have developed a fanfic regarding this, and the idea can go quite far.

[Sean Whitmore]

I thought Carnage was the coolest thing when he first came out (I was 12), but shortly after realized he was just uninspired.... I have always wished that one day Venom could re-absorb the carnage symbiote, and evolve itself. In fact I have developed a fanfic regarding this, and the idea can go quite far.

I hate to tell you, but that actually happened. It was shortly after the Mackie/Byrne reboot. Venom broke into Kasady's prison cell and absorbed the Carnage symbiote into his own.

How did Kasady get the symbiote back you may ask? He went to the Negative Zone and found an exact duplicate. No, really.


SEAN

[Kelly Tindall]

I think Mackie did that as a quick fix after he left the title, but the Negative Zone story has been forgotten. (With good cause) Toxin is obviously Venom's grandson and Carnage's son, for example.

There are a million inconsistencies involving the symbiotes. I still want to see Scream and Hybrid again.

[Doom Hammer]

That's a good point. No reason to assume that Kasady's symbiote is dead, after all. It doesn't need to breath, isn't affected by cold, is probably tough enough to withstand the pressure, and doesn't die just by being torn.

Of course, someone would need to go retrieve it, as it couldn't survive reentry. :)


SEAN

He's on Jim Cheung's big drawing of heroes for (I think) The Initiative, which was odd.

[Cody H]

He's on Jim Cheung's big drawing of heroes for (I think) The Initiative, which was odd.I think that's Toxin if we're talking about the same drawing.

[Arrjay]

The eyes-within-the-eyes thing really weirds me out.

Me too. It is weird.

[MAK15]

He's on Jim Cheung's big drawing of heroes for (I think) The Initiative, which was odd.

nah, thats his kid, toxin

[The Shelf]

I guess it's Toxin, but they really butchered his appearance.
<---- (compare)

I suppose it's okay, though, because they kinda butchered Venom in that drawing too.

Bring back Toxin!!

[DoctorDoom]

That much is true. He's up to three attempts now, I believe.


SEAN
How sad and how true

[The Punished]

I feel alot of comic book villians have a very short shelf life with good storylines that enthrall and intrigue readers. Again if you look over the past twenty years how many really good villians have been created and sustained interest of the readers?

I like to think of it a bit like wrestling where the badguys are built up over a given period of time to make the heel appear to have a good shot at hurting or beating the face wrestler. Then after the big pay per view match the heel then becomes a jobber losing to mid or lowcard characters just to build a secondary storyline.

Venom and Carnage were created and came on like gangbusters. Somewhere along the way the focus on character was lost and the guys forgot to build a foundation and layer, layer, layer the levels to keep the interest.

Now that written, look at the time these villians were created in the late 80's early 90's when we as a culture regarded everything as disposable. I hope we see a carefully planned development and a resurgence more than just one story arc. Please let this be!

[rZi]

Im looking forward to eddie back as Venom..and gargan back into his scorpion gear. And yeah, i too wanna see screm and toxin again...but i can't see it happening

[Nefarius]

I don't want to see Brock back in black.I prefer Gargan-Venom.But while i don't want a return of 616 Venom,i really hope to see a return of Ultimate Venom.(i start to like this version better than the original).

[Kelly Tindall]

Ultimate Venom is likely going to be part of Ultimates 3. Jeph Loeb said as much last year.

News I hate, unfortunately, because The Ultimates is pure diaper gravy. But whatever.

[Moshikal]

Ultimate Venom is likely going to be part of Ultimates 3. Jeph Loeb said as much last year.

News I hate, unfortunately, because The Ultimates is pure diaper gravy. But whatever.

um.. no it's not...

[Dangerous]

I'm a big fan of old Venom ASM#298-347, but after that it all went downhill.
LP, Carnage, MC etc were all crap Venom arcs.
Jenkins' The Hunger arc was interesting, but even the follow up- Millar's MK run managed to contradict the conclusion of that story. Apart from Venom’s design limitations that are integral to his character design meaning he could only work for a few years, his writing has been crap since 1991 also.

Gargan as Venom was finally what was supposed to happen- the symbiote jumping hosts....
I liked Venom/Gargan.
Oh well, EB/Venom is a product of the fanboys, at least Sacasa is a good writer.
I'm expecting him to do something interesting w/ Brock, and you know his continuity know-how is tight.

[Shyft]

Gargan as Venom has had ONE interesting moment, and thats in the most recent Thunderbolts, where he actually talks about what it feels like having the Symbiote. Other than that it has seemed a pointless exercise to me. Im a Brock fan. He is so similar but completely different to Peter. Yes he wusses out when the going gets tough, but thats the whole point; hes no Peter Parker.

[Sean McKeever]

For you Brock fans, here's a page of Kano's lovely art from the upcoming Spider-Man Family #2, which features a new, 22-page Venom story that essentially takes place between ASM 317 and 330.

http://seanmckeever.com/images/smf002p02.jpg

[Sean Whitmore]

http://seanmckeever.com/images/smf002p02.jpg

Pants, meet [bleep].

THAT is an awesome Venom.


SEAN

[Beacon]

I read the Sensational solicit and it made it clear that, while Eddie is back, he WON’T be Venom.

[Dangerous]

Interesting....

[Venom]

For you Brock fans, here's a page of Kano's lovely art from the upcoming Spider-Man Family #2, which features a new, 22-page Venom story that essentially takes place between ASM 317 and 330.

http://seanmckeever.com/images/smf002p02.jpg

Amazing! Venom's style looks just like the McFarlane day.

[Rahul]

Dude I'm so getting Spider-Man Family....

[Venom]

Dude I'm so getting Spider-Man Family....

You mean you haven't even got #1 yet? I order to go out and buy your copy now!

[Rahul]

I meant 2....I already got one....that was a fab story....

[666andahalf]

You guys might find this interesting...

http://comics.ign.com/articles/775/775562p1.html

We leave you with one thought however: Eddie Brock might not have a symbiote when he first surfaces in Sensational Spider-Man, but who says he won't get it during the course of the story? We asked Marvel this and didn't get a "no" as a response. In this case, a non-answer might speak volumes.

[MAK15]

You guys might find this interesting...

http://comics.ign.com/articles/775/775562p1.html

That cover looks so darn cool

[Venom]

You guys might find this interesting...

http://comics.ign.com/articles/775/775562p1.html

Sweet cover. Looks like it's Brock seeing as it looks like the original Venom.

[Jaykob]

I have a few questions I'm hoping someone here can answer. I only recently got back into Spider-Man a few months ago. I did some research and I know the basic story behind Brock selling the suit due to his religious awakening and terminal cancer.

My question is, was it ever explained how the symbiote itself felt about this? Originally, the symbiote learned about emotion from Spider-Man and actually loved him. As most of you know, I'm sure, Spider-Man beat Venom during their first arc back in the day by tricking the symbiote. He offered to rejoin with it, but the link between brock and the symbiote was so powerful, it knocked Brock unconcious and the symbiote couldn't unattach itself. How then did Brock get rid of the symbiote in the first place?

Is it known whether the symbiote resents Brock for breaking their bond?

[MAK15]

I have a few questions I'm hoping someone here can answer. I only recently got back into Spider-Man a few months ago. I did some research and I know the basic story behind Brock selling the suit due to his religious awakening and terminal cancer.

My question is, was it ever explained how the symbiote itself felt about this? Originally, the symbiote learned about emotion from Spider-Man and actually loved him. As most of you know, I'm sure, Spider-Man beat Venom during their first arc back in the day by tricking the symbiote. He offered to rejoin with it, but the link between brock and the symbiote was so powerful, it knocked Brock unconcious and the symbiote couldn't unattach itself. How then did Brock get rid of the symbiote in the first place?

Is it known whether the symbiote resents Brock for breaking their bond?

recently the writers have been showing that the symbiote's have emotions and wants like you and I.
Toxin, the yougnest, has been portrayed as a kid trying to understand why things are.
Venom, who's become hardened over the years, is happy with anybody that helps him bust people up (mainly spider-man)
Carnage has kinda become a mirror version of Cletus Kasady, and IM not sure why it hasnt killed him yet....
but yeah, a bunch of writers have made it seem that the symbiotes can leave whenever they want.
others, not so much.
so far, Ellis has made the symbiote some creatre that makes gargan feel big, but that also taxes on him physically. and goes hulky when ever steamed.
Bendis made Carnage seem like he doesnt need a host, just someone to suck some life force out (ala his run on ultimate spider-man)
so really, depending on the writer, the symbiote will do different tricks.

[Jaykob]

recently the writers have been showing that the symbiote's have emotions and wants like you and I.
Toxin, the yougnest, has been portrayed as a kid trying to understand why things are.
Venom, who's become hardened over the years, is happy with anybody that helps him bust people up (mainly spider-man)
Carnage has kinda become a mirror version of Cletus Kasady, and IM not sure why it hasnt killed him yet....
but yeah, a bunch of writers have made it seem that the symbiotes can leave whenever they want.
others, not so much.
so far, Ellis has made the symbiote some creatre that makes gargan feel big, but that also taxes on him physically. and goes hulky when ever steamed.
Bendis made Carnage seem like he doesnt need a host, just someone to suck some life force out (ala his run on ultimate spider-man)
so really, depending on the writer, the symbiote will do different tricks.

It just doesn't seem right to me that the Venom symbiote wouldn't feel some kind of connection with Brock above the "you let me break stuff" level. Brock gave the symbiote the kind of relationship it wanted from Spider-Man. Albeit, he was a weaker host, but he was a far more loyal companion. It just seems kind of weird that the venom symbiote, who originally COULDNT be seperated from Brock without suffering extreme pain (apparently that was retconned), would be completely apathetic towards Brock.

I'm a huge fan of Thunderbolts and I remember thinking, after that scene with Gargan, that perhaps the symbiote makes Gargan sick because it's upset. Maybe the symbiote doesn't like its new host and is just using him. I know Eddie never complained of such things back in the day.

[MAK15]

It just doesn't seem right to me that the Venom symbiote wouldn't feel some kind of connection with Brock above the "you let me break stuff" level. Brock gave the symbiote the kind of relationship it wanted from Spider-Man. Albeit, he was a weaker host, but he was a far more loyal companion. It just seems kind of weird that the venom symbiote, who originally COULDNT be seperated from Brock without suffering extreme pain (apparently that was retconned), would be completely apathetic towards Brock.

I'm a huge fan of Thunderbolts and I remember thinking, after that scene with Gargan, that perhaps the symbiote makes Gargan sick because it's upset. Maybe the symbiote doesn't like its new host and is just using him. I know Eddie never complained of such things back in the day.

yeah well, I guess the only way to change this is to get a job at marvel.
or write some fan-fiction, I guess.

[Maestro]

I don't see a point in Eddie Brock as a character without a symbiote

[MAK15]

I don't see a point in Eddie Brock as a character without a symbiote

I think it makes him more than a one-trick pony.
We're basically seeing someone off the ultimate drug, with the one last chance he'll ever get to hurt the one person he hates more than anything in the world.

[Kelly Tindall]

Don't forget that the symbiote chose Gargan to bond with... Gargan was at least as powerful as Spider-Man before he became Venom, and I'm sure Gargan produces all the chemicals the alien needs to survive without taxing him as much as it did Eddie.

Mind you, I haven't read Thunderbolts yet, but I seriously doubt that Eddie will be anything more than a somewhat-generic thug in this appearance... Quesada wouldn't step on Ellis' toes by taking Venom away from him.

Let's not forget the embarrassing 'painted red Cletus' story, or the even more embarrassingly awful Negative Zone story.

[Maestro]

Clearly there is only one person good enough for Venom

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7956/rkojb8.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rkojb8.jpg)

[Dangerous]

I agree it would be better if the symbiote no longer wanted Brock, and instead we saw Brock as a villain by himself. Gargan as Venom was/is something interesting.
EB/Venom is just a bore now.

[MAK15]

Clearly there is only one person good enough for Venom

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7956/rkojb8.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rkojb8.jpg)

who the fuzzy blue hell is that?

edit: wait, thats not one of the powerpack kids, izzit?

[Beacon]

who the fuzzy blue hell is that?

edit: wait, thats not one of the powerpack kids, izzit?

Yeah, that's the out of continuity "kiddie" version of Katie Power.

[MAK15]

Yeah, that's the out of continuity "kiddie" version of Katie Power.

thats actually really creepy,man...

[Kintales]

IMO Brock would always be Venom. Maybe they could come out with a new interesting motive/role for Brock/Venom plus a good reason why the symbiote came back to him.

As for Gargan, think it could be kinda cool if Kasady Carnage symbiote manage to surrive, bond with Gargan (with Kasady bones and all) to form a new version (tailbone) of ruthless Gargan/Carnage (hmm nice ring to it :) )

[mimic_616]

thats actually really creepy,man...

That is too creepy!