All-Star The Dark Knight (Batman) movie

[Captain Trips]

According to many sources, it's going to be Heath Ledger playing the role.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/719/719898p1.html

[meethraa]

Interesting choice...

[Lord of Denial]

Interesting choice...


If by interesting you mean bad, terrible, horrible, unthinkable then yes I agree.

[Super Samurai]

Physically, he looks to be a good fit for the Joker, but I don't know if he can act the role.

[hoffmandu]

Really, I heard it was Ruebens role.

[borateen]

If by interesting you mean bad, terrible, horrible, unthinkable then yes I agree.

While I enjoy him as an actor, I agree with most of your post. :)

[Julusnc]

I wanted Tim Roth as the Joker!:D

[kalorama]

Well, it's an early report and could well be wrong or change. At least I hope so. Not a big (or even small) fan of Ledger's and don't see him in the role. It needs someone with more presence.

[HomerJay]

I'll chock this up to rumor at this point. We're still a ways away from actually going into production on this folks.

That said, I can think of at least 10 other actors that I'd choose over Ledger.

[meethraa]

If by interesting you mean bad, terrible, horrible, unthinkable then yes I agree.
Nope, I just meant "unexpected".

[mistervader]

Was Heath Ledger the one who had the cosplaying video where he looked like Joker and passed it off as an "audition"?

[Ontir]

Last I heard, Nolan had said the villain for the next film was going to be someone who hadn't been in any of the films. Unless something's radically changed, that eliminates the Joker. I think it's a mistake to bring him in too soon. I'd rather see a build up, with evidence of his presence, over a few films, before he and Batman go face to face.

[kalorama]

The problem with a slow buildup is that they set up his appearance at the end of the last one. They need to pay off on it.

[cactusmaac]

Last I heard, Nolan had said the villain for the next film was going to be someone who hadn't been in any of the films. Unless something's radically changed, that eliminates the Joker. I think it's a mistake to bring him in too soon. I'd rather see a build up, with evidence of his presence, over a few films, before he and Batman go face to face.

Michael Caine said it was going to be the Joker a few days ago.

http://www.canmag.com/news/4/3/4357

Heath Ledger is too pretty for the role. Personally I preferred the Justin Timberlake as Two-Face rumour to this one.

[Captain Trips]

The problem with a slow buildup is that they set up his appearance at the end of the last one. They need to pay off on it.

I agree. And if Nolan's take on the Joker is anywhere near as good as his take on pretty much every character from the first film, then I am excited to see what he has in store. I can see the Joker not being the main bad guy of the next film. He's in the background, doing his thing. Sort of like how I think Venom is going to be until the end of the next Spider-man film (where he won't become a player until the third act). I just hope that Nolan keeps him grounded in reality and makes him one scary S.O.B. The over-the-top villains we saw in the last two Batman films just got laughably bad.

[CaptainAwesome]

Last I heard, Nolan had said the villain for the next film was going to be someone who hadn't been in any of the films. Unless something's radically changed, that eliminates the Joker. I think it's a mistake to bring him in too soon. I'd rather see a build up, with evidence of his presence, over a few films, before he and Batman go face to face.
I've heard that the Joker wont be the main villain, but instead will be a supporting character that will build into a real villain.

I think I have enough confidence in Nolan and crew to wait and see before I judge Ledger as a poor choice. Really, what has he done to make you even think he would be a bad choice. He usually plays very docile characters, so how would you know he cant pull off being crazy? It wouldnt surprise me if he is very sick and twisted in his portrayal.

[Error_2.0]

I'm not even going to give this any thought, doing so will only make me upset.

[CDB]

I think I have enough confidence in Nolan and crew to wait and see before I judge Ledger as a poor choice. Really, what has he done to make you even think he would be a bad choice. He usually plays very docile characters, so how would you know he cant pull off being crazy? It wouldnt surprise me if he is very sick and twisted in his portrayal.

Agreed!! Though still I've got some doubts. Nolan's damn good and Ledger is a good actor. But seeing him as The Joker...:confused:

[SnowTrooper]

I dont think he can pull it off.

[CaptainAwesome]

I dont think he can pull it off.
But what give you that idea? Have you ever seen him do anything that was remotely "crazy"? There is no real basis for the assumtion that he cant do it. On the otherhand, if he has auditioned and been chosen then there is a basis for the assumtion that he can.

[Erebus]

Thats an... interesting choice. But I'll save my judgement until I actually see the movie, or at least the trailor.

Coming soon...
Brokeback Laughter.
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/719/719898/batman-2-20060720105304562.jpg

[CaptainAwesome]

Thats an... interesting choice. But I'll save my judgement until I actually see the movie, or at least the trailor.

Coming soon...
Brokeback Laughter.
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/719/719898/batman-2-20060720105304562.jpg
Oh, a Brokeback Mountain joke? Thats funny. No really, I've never heard one of those before. You are truly a pioneer of comedy.:p

[Erebus]

Oh, a Brokeback Mountain joke? Thats funny. No really, I've never heard one of those before. You are truly a pioneer of comedy.:p
Well, you know, I try *blush* :D

[kalorama]

But what give you that idea? Have you ever seen him do anything that was remotely "crazy"? There is no real basis for the assumtion that he cant do it. On the otherhand, if he has auditioned and been chosen then there is a basis for the assumtion that he can.

The fact that an actor is given a part really tells you nothing about how good he'll be in it. Otherwisee, there'd never be bad performances in movies.

The only basis for assuming anything on a matter like this is purely subjective. Whether or not he can "pull it off" depends entirely on what it is you expect from a film version of the Joker.

[Erebus]

Sorry, ignore this.

[Ontir]

Michael Caine said it was going to be the Joker a few days ago.

http://www.canmag.com/news/4/3/4357

Heath Ledger is too pretty for the role. Personally I preferred the Justin Timberlake as Two-Face rumour to this one.


I'd not heard that. I DID hear that John Cusack was openly campaigning for Harvey Dent/Two-Face, which I love. I think it's a mistake to bring Joker in this early, but oh well...

[Norrin Radd]

I don't think a filmmaker of Nolan's calibur would sabotage his own picture by casting someone he didn't think could pull off the role.

[kalorama]

I don't think a filmmaker of Nolan's calibur would sabotage his own picture by casting someone he didn't think could pull off the role.

A director's expectations of what an actor can/will do and what the actor actually does when the camera rolls can be two two different things. And the casting a movie is often (A) not solely in the director's hands and (B) based on decisions that have nothing to do with the relative ability of the actors under consideration.

Assuming there's any truth to this, the ultimate answer to whether he can do it will be decided by the audience.

[Error_2.0]

The main reason I hate this: "A Knights Tale"
I hate that movie so much that I will hold it against Keith Ledger. Still haven't seen Brokeback Mountain yet, not because I'm a homophobe or anything, but because of "A Knights Tale"

[Ontir]

I don't think a filmmaker of Nolan's calibur would sabotage his own picture by casting someone he didn't think could pull off the role.

True, but director's don't always have that choice. Burton wanted Ray Loitta (inspired), Warners' demanded Nicholson (insipid): see how that works?

[Haunt]

But what give you that idea? Have you ever seen him do anything that was remotely "crazy"?


how about the bleacher scene from 10 Things I Hate about You? or dumping Naomi Watts?

[DonC]

I'll chock this up to rumor at this point. We're still a ways away from actually going into production on this folks.


You do realize how foolish using logic and rational thought on a comic book message board is, right?

[J. Robb]

I so want to see Crispin Glover play the Joker. Anyone else will disappoint me.

[Ontir]

He'd have been fun, but I'm not sure how "employable" his id these days?

If you love Glover, you MUST SEE Bartelby!

[Alex]

Joker needs to be over the top, in my opinion, and i've never seen ledger play over the top. But that isn't saying he can't, i'd never even considered him for the part though.
So far i've seen ledger play tough highschool guy and john wayne impersonater, and those are fairly different roles, who's to say he doesn't have nutbag in there?

[J. Robb]

I could see Heath Ledger more as Jack-A-Dandy, a villain based on the Joker from Alan Moore's Supreme.

[mistervader]

So... who was the guy who cosplayed as Joker on YouTube then and claimed it was his "audition"?

[GRANT!]

How's this rumour more accurate the 100 other "so and so" is playing the Joker rumours.

[Donald M.]

Thats an... interesting choice. But I'll save my judgement until I actually see the movie, or at least the trailor.

Coming soon...
Brokeback Laughter.
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/719/719898/batman-2-20060720105304562.jpg

I prefer Jokeback Mountain.

[Donald M.]

I give you Heath Ledger as the Joker:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b322/donmilliken/batman-2-20060720105304562.jpg

Bow before my elite skills.

[J. Robb]

I give you Heath Ledger as the Joker:
Awesome! Now do Jake Gyllenhaal as Harley Quinn! :)

[The Joker]

True, but director's don't always have that choice. Burton wanted Ray Loitta (inspired), Warners' demanded Nicholson (insipid): see how that works?

Apparently, Burton seemed thrilled to have Jack cast as The Joker back in 1988 when filming for Batman 1989 started. Hell, Burton even stated in the Batman Anthology Box Set, that he felt Jack was perfect for the role. During this moment in time, the likelyhood of someone like Jack Nicholson signing on for a movie such as this wasnt all that great to be perfectly honest. However, when Nicholson did signed up, he also lent this film the aura of being an even bigger "event" movie, as well as being something "special" to attract Nicholson to star in it. Which in effect, sparked more interest from the general public. Personally, I felt he did a tremendous job. Liotta? Bleh. Maybe as Dent. Actually, I really question how serious Burton was in casting Liotta. Especially since he was very much dead set on having The Joker being revealed as the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents in the film. I think Robin Williams, or Tim Curry would have been a better examples of inspired choices (as well as being more likely casting decisions) than Liotta. Unfortunately, inspired casting isnt always infallible.

[mendeex3]

I think jim carrey is the best actor to play joker or more precisely, he should have been the joker. His physique closely resemble the comic book joker's tall and thin yet built for comedic stunt not to mention carrey's versatile face and comedic nature. All you need is to give him a white make up and dye his hair green and have him dress up and he's joker. Watch him closely when he played the riddler, he was joker in riddler's costume. Jack nicholson should have been the riddler! :)

[HomerJay]

You do realize how foolish using logic and rational thought on a comic book message board is, right?
:D
I realize I often fight an uphill battle on these boards.

I don't think Ledger is a supremely awful choice, he's just in the "mayyybe" category for me compared to other names that have been mentioned.

Please YES
- Crispin Glover
- Adrien Brody

Interesting
- Sean Penn
- Paul Bettany
- Paul Reubens
- Mick Jagger

Mayyybe
- Heath Ledger
- Michael Keaton

I'm actually more interested in the characterization of The Joker instead of who's actually playing him. I'd like to see Katie Holmes return and then in the first 3rd of the movie have The Joker kill her in a pretty gruesome manner in order to establish that this is NOT Nicholson's mischievous portrayal. Nolan's Joker should be the insanely dangerous madman seen in THE KILLING JOKE. The theme of BEGINS was fear and this would set up an interesting theme of revenge (something that would be perfect for the Batman character).

[Ontir]

How can you have Jagger on the list, and not Bowie?!?!?!? :eek:

Bowie's mouth is WAAAAY bigger than Jaggers! :p

[Bored at 3:00AM]

David Goyer said the plan was to have Batman & Gordon team-up with new District Attorney Harvey Dent to take down The Joker in the sequel, then have The Joker be the one who scars Dent during his trial in the third film.

Sounds like a pretty good plan. Don't see why they'd change that.

We'll probably see Talia show up at some point as well to fill the love interest role since Mrs. Tom Cruise was the least liked part of the first film.

Which means they'll have a few years for the stank of the Catwoman film to be forgotten before Selina Kyle makes an appearance.

[curefreak]

keth ledger is def an out of left field choice....
but then i couldnt imagine jack nicholson as the joker mostly just cause of his pyhsique not because of his acting skills.

[hoffmandu]

I want to see Boner from Growing Pains play Joker.

[Norrin Radd]

A director's expectations of what an actor can/will do and what the actor actually does when the camera rolls can be two two different things. And the casting a movie is often (A) not solely in the director's hands and (B) based on decisions that have nothing to do with the relative ability of the actors under consideration.

Assuming there's any truth to this, the ultimate answer to whether he can do it will be decided by the audience.

I realize this, but I'm thinking that since Nolan has proven himself with Begins, he'd have more power to determine the casting of the sequel.

There are plenty of bankable (heck, more bankable) stars out there so why choose Ledger specifically unless it appeared that he had some talent for the role?

[Haunt]

I think jim carrey is the best actor to play joker or more precisely, he should have been the joker. His physique closely resemble the comic book joker's tall and thin yet built for comedic stunt not to mention carrey's versatile face and comedic nature. All you need is to give him a white make up and dye his hair green and have him dress up and he's joker. Watch him closely when he played the riddler, he was joker in riddler's costume. Jack nicholson should have been the riddler! :)

i think you're wrong. i think any actor who gets the part would be wrong to approach it as a comedian would. Jim Carrey was doing a joker imitation but it was the joker from Adam West's Batman. for those keeping score, that's an imitation of a parody of the Joker. his Riddler was plenty campy but never intimidating. the Joker needs to be as creepy as he is insane to make a credible threat to Batman, imo.

"All you need is to give him a white make up and dye his hair green and have him dress up and he's joker."

or he's a pale white version of the Mask.

[Captain Trips]

I've always thought that the the Joker should be the only one who thinks he's funny. To everyone else, he's scary, insane, and cold-blooded. I've never liked the idea of casting a comedian as the Joker. The guy's a lunatic. Not an entertainer. But I think he also has to have some kind of magnetic personality. He should be striking and fascinating as much as he is scary. If Ledger is indeed getting the role, I can honestly say that I prefer him over Robin Williams, Jim Carrey, or Michael Keaton.

[CDB]

We now we got photoshopped pics of Ledger now:



http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9894/heatsq3.jpg



Internet fanboys work fast don't they...

[EZMOHR]

I've always thought that the the Joker should be the only one who thinks he's funny. To everyone else, he's scary, insane, and cold-blooded. I've never liked the idea of casting a comedian as the Joker. The guy's a lunatic. Not an entertainer. But I think he also has to have some kind of magnetic personality. He should be striking and fascinating as much as he is scary. If Ledger is indeed getting the role, I can honestly say that I prefer him over Robin Williams, Jim Carrey, or Michael Keaton.


I agree with most everything you said. An actor is needed for the role of the Joker, and I do believe that Ledger is an actor first. Though, I disagree with your thoughts on Keaton. I think he would be a perfect Joker.

[Haunt]

I agree with most everything you said. An actor is needed for the role of the Joker, and I do believe that Ledger is an actor first. Though, I disagree with your thoughts on Keaton. I think he would be a perfect Joker.


he might be if he were taller/less stocky.

[Patman]

Plus, Keaton has no chin. :D

[The Batman]

assuming that this is true, and in BoF is onboard there's a good chance the offer's been made, i'm willing to give both Nolan and Ledger the benefit of the doubt. Ledger has shown, in both Monster's Ball and Brokeback Mountain, that he's got genuine talent and i somehow doubt that Nolan is going to cast someone based solely on their celebrity and bankability. i can't see this being another Arnold as Mr. Freeze.

[Mia]

Now that this is done. I really am anxious to hear about the rest of the casting. Especially the 'love' interest. I heard about the inclusion of Talia. But I don't know if this is confirmed.

[kalorama]

I realize this, but I'm thinking that since Nolan has proven himself with Begins, he'd have more power to determine the casting of the sequel.

There are plenty of bankable (heck, more bankable) stars out there so why choose Ledger specifically unless it appeared that he had some talent for the role?

He's young, popular with a desireable demographic, and coming off an Oscar nomination.

And it's not a question of whether the powers that be think he has talent. But lots of talented actors have been cast in parts where, once the cameras started rolling they (A) proved to be a bad fit or (B) gave a crap performance. Just because someone with pull in the process thinks he's right for the role doesn't necessarily make it true.

And it takes more than one big commercial hit for a director to get a free hand in casting and final cut without significant producer/studio interference. Directors with much longer and more commercially successful track records than Nolan don't have that kind of clout.

[Corky]

If you don't know who Terrence Mann is, no no folks! not to be confused with the "Fields of Dreams" character but the REAL actor whom is known for playing Beast in the broadway play of "Beauty and The Beast", Rum-Tum-Tugger in "Cats" and played in some movies like notably "Critters 1 & 2" as the rock star-faced alien bounty hunter and is also a TV star whom is currently a guest on "Law and Order".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Johnlindsey289/TM.jpg

Now he's my choice for Joker for Batman Begins 2.

[Ronnigon]

I spent six months in Hollywood...

...and it's quite possibly the stupidest place on Earth.

Hollywood executives would disastrously cast Heath Ledger as the Joker because they are little more than a pack of financially-insatiable, short-sighted, cocaine-dependent, mindless junior high school bozos, with brains the size of chick peas. They are so obsessed with who is already "hot", that they have no capacity to understand that that has nothing to do with who is actually right for the role.

On the other hand, Jake Gyllenhall would make a very good, disturbed Joker.

And on the other, other hand, Cillian Murphy would have made an even better Joker than he made a Scarecrow. I base this decision on having seen Murphy's Breakfast on Pluto, in which he plays an eerily sexy transvestite named "Kitten".

If you combined the seductive femininity-androgyny of "Kitten", with the sheer, sadistic viciousness of the hijacking character that he played in Red Eye, you have the perfect Joker!

(It's just a pity Murphy didn't wait to audition for the Joker.)

This, also, is a suggestion for the casting of the Joker that I also love:

I wanted Tim Roth as the Joker! :D

That would be a truly horrifying Joker, to scare the warm, runny shit right out of you.

[rick]

If you don't know who Terrence Mann is, no no folks! not to be confused with the "Fields of Dreams" character but the REAL actor whom is known for playing Beast in the broadway play of "Beauty and The Beast", Rum-Tum-Tugger in "Cats" and played in some movies like notably "Critters 1 & 2" as the rock star-faced alien bounty hunter and is also a TV star whom is currently a guest on "Law and Order".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Johnlindsey289/TM.jpg

Now he's my choice for Joker for Batman Begins 2.


I've never heard of him, and except for this picture don't know if I've ever seen him.

So, what is it exactly that makes him prime Joker material to you?

[Captain Trips]

I hear all these comments about why Ledger shouldn't be the Joker. And the arguments for that seem to all revolve around the idea that even though an actor may have been good in other roles or, on paper, has all the qualifications needed, you never know what's going to happen when the cameras start rolling, and his performance may turn out to be crap. Funny how that same logic doesn't seem to be applied to the choices for who would be better to portray the Joker from those who don't like Ledger for the role.

All I'm saying is why condemn him when:
1. the announcement isn't even official (although it sounds like is is)
2. no one outside of the people making the film has any idea what the take on the character will be
3. we have no idea how successful Ledger will be as the Joker until we see it
4. they haven't even started filming

[CaptainAwesome]

I hear all these comments about why Ledger shouldn't be the Joker. And the arguments for that seem to all revolve around the idea that even though an actor may have been good in other roles or, on paper, has all the qualifications needed, you never know what's going to happen when the cameras start rolling, and his performance may turn out to be crap. Funny how that same logic doesn't seem to be applied to the choices for who would be better to portray the Joker from those who don't like Ledger for the role.

All I'm saying is why condemn him when:
1. the announcement isn't even official (although it sounds like is is)
2. no one outside of the people making the film has any idea what the take on the character will be
3. we have no idea how successful Ledger will be as the Joker until we see it
4. they haven't even started filming
My thoughts exactly.

[Sabrinaset]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Johnlindsey289/TM.jpg

OMG! It's Jerry Sienfeld's father!!!

[Athena Bast]

I'd not heard that. I DID hear that John Cusack was openly campaigning for Harvey Dent/Two-Face, which I love. I think it's a mistake to bring Joker in this early, but oh well...

Oooooh now that I'd love to see....

[Gary Joyce]

I can't say anything about Ledger yet just because i've not actually seen him in anything to judge him.

But i must say it makes me laugh that some people dont want him as the Joker because hes never played a evil crazy character before while most want Bettany who has had more then his fair share of roles like that and performed badly in my opinion.

Like a previous poster i've narrowed my choices down to three sections

Please YES
- Crispin Glover - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8993/cglover1-1.gif
- Walton Goggins - http://www.nelonen.fi/shield/gifs/goggins_kuva.jpg

They both have the look and both can act.

Interesting
- Sean Penn
- Sam Rockwell
- Zach Braff
- John Malkovich
- Steve Buscemi

All talented guys and i wouldnt mind seeing them in the role.

Maybe
- Alan Cumming
- Jason Lee

[Athena Bast]

:D
I realize I often fight an uphill battle on these boards.

I don't think Ledger is a supremely awful choice, he's just in the "mayyybe" category for me compared to other names that have been mentioned.

Please YES
- Crispin Glover
- Adrien Brody

Interesting
- Sean Penn
- Paul Bettany
- Paul Reubens
- Mick Jagger

Mayyybe
- Heath Ledger
- Michael Keaton

I'm actually more interested in the characterization of The Joker instead of who's actually playing him. I'd like to see Katie Holmes return and then in the first 3rd of the movie have The Joker kill her in a pretty gruesome manner in order to establish that this is NOT Nicholson's mischievous portrayal. Nolan's Joker should be the insanely dangerous madman seen in THE KILLING JOKE. The theme of BEGINS was fear and this would set up an interesting theme of revenge (something that would be perfect for the Batman character).

*sniff* No Mark Hamill?

[kalorama]

I can't say anything about Ledger yet just because i've not actually seen him in anything to judge him.

But i must say it makes me laugh that some people dont want him as the Joker because hes never played a evil crazy character before while most want Bettany who has had more then his fair share of roles like that and performed badly in my opinion.

And there's the rub. It's all a matter of opnion, isn't it?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think Ledger's a bad choice because I have seen him in other films and haven't been impressed by his acting ability in any of them. And I don't think he's the right physical type for the role.

And aside frome Firewall, which I haven't seen, in how many movies has Paul Bettany "played a(n) evil crazy character?" Off the top of my head, the only movie I can remember seeing him in was "A Beautiful Mind" and I don't recall him being either (evil or crazy) in that one.

As for who I'd like to see as the Joker: Johnny Depp comes immediately to mind. (If he were 25 years younger, Christopher Walken would be perfect.)

[Gary Joyce]

And aside from Firewall, which I haven't seen, in how many movies has Paul Bettany "played a(n) evil crazy character?" Off the top of my head, the only movie I can remember seeing him in was "A Beautiful Mind" and I don't recall him being either (evil or crazy) in that one.



Well theres the Davinci code , Gnagster no 1 , and some film i saw on tv the other week where he played a killer through a virtual reality game.

[Error_2.0]

I'm still praying that they call this movie "Batman Began", but it looks like Warner Bros. already has a site up for "Batman Escalation". www.batmanescalation.com

[kalorama]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Warner Brothers has nothing to do with that site.

[CaptainAwesome]

I'm still praying that they call this movie "Batman Began", but it looks like Warner Bros. already has a site up for "Batman Escalation". www.batmanescalation.com
Thats an even worse title than Batman Begins. Even Batman Continues is a better title.

[Error_2.0]

...whatever happened to having a sense of humor? OF COURSE "BATMAN BEGAN" IS A BAD TITLE

[Dreadstar]

You do realize how foolish using logic and rational thought on a comic book message board is, right?

I was about to post something so completely insightful as to astound everyone in the thread, but then I saw this.

Thanks for saving me, DonC. Lost my head there for a moment.

[cactusmaac]

And aside frome Firewall, which I haven't seen, in how many movies has Paul Bettany "played a(n) evil crazy character?" Off the top of my head, the only movie I can remember seeing him in was "A Beautiful Mind" and I don't recall him being either (evil or crazy) in that one.


Gangster No 1

[Captain Trips]

I'm still praying that they call this movie "Batman Began", but it looks like Warner Bros. already has a site up for "Batman Escalation". www.batmanescalation.com

That looks like it is going to be awesome. :D

[CaptainAwesome]

...whatever happened to having a sense of humor? OF COURSE "BATMAN BEGAN" IS A BAD TITLE
I meant Batman Escalation. Batman Began would actually be better than that.:D

[Lanowar]

What I love is the fact that no one has actually said it's Ledger everyone says they heard it "on the floor" or "From someone else" and there's no actual link of someone saying it'd him just "yea it's all nudge nudge wink wink".

What annoys me about rumours is that there so easily made up I could go to Newsarama right now make an account and say I heard a rumour that say that Sean Bean was going to be in a Green Arrow movie and someone would believe me...

[Gary Joyce]

Yeah there is no confirmation yet about ledger being the Joker.I did read on some site though that if Ledger turns it down it will be offered to Joaquin Phoenix.

I think that could be quiet interesting of course i cant see Ledger turning the role down if offered it.

[The Punished]

Interesting choice. I guess we can all go back & think about when we first heard Christian Bale as Batman. If they do proceed we need to give it the benefit of the doubt. I think Chris Nolan has his head on straight when it comes to the Batman mythos.

[kalorama]

Interesting choice. I guess we can all go back & think about when we first heard Christian Bale as Batman.

I thought he was a very good choice from the beginning.

[The Punished]

I agree. I have been a fan of Christian's for a few years since Velvet Goldmine and American Psycho. But hardly anybody knew how good he was gonna be.

Kudos to you, my friend!

Good to know others feel the same...

[kalorama]

The only movies I'd seen him in prior to Batman Begins were Laurel Canyon, Equilibrium, and Reign of Fire. I thought he was very good in Reign and Canyon, two movies I liked a lot. And, perhaps more impressively, I thought he gave a good performance in Equilibrium, a movie I otherwise found to be laughably awful and ill-conceived.

[The Punished]

I agree again. I thought Reign of Fire was really a good role for him. It was not really that much but he had a presence about him.

Kate Beckinsale was his girlfriend in Laurel Canyon. I only regret they did not have any Kate nude scenes in that movie. So close...yet so far!

[Gary Joyce]

I actually think that Christian Bale is the best actor of his generation.

If you take Empire of the Sun,Laurel Canyon, Velvet Goldmine, American Psycho, Equilibrium, The Machinist and Batman Begins into account, then you look at what he has upcoming in terms of Harsh Times, The Prestige, Rescue Dawn and I'm Not There, I really dont think that there is anyone from his generation as capable of putting so many extraordinary performances together as Bale is and making each and everyone one of them just as convincing.

[literally exaggerated]

Johnny Depp has a more varied, and in my mind, more impressive overall resume than Christian Bale.

[kalorama]

They aren't really the same generation, however. Depp's almost 10 years older than Bale.

[Ontir]

Johnny Depp has a more varied, and in my mind, more impressive overall resume than Christian Bale.

Johnny Depp http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000136/

Christian Bale http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000288/

I find Bale's to be far more varied than Depp's, which despite him being "an outsider" is still mostly big-studio, Hollywood fare.

[Gary Joyce]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html


Maybe Ledger won't be the Joker after all.Still hoping Crispin Glover or Walton Goggins.

[kalorama]

There is absolute zero chance that Crispin Glover gets anywhere near the role of Joker.

Although it would be cool if he pulled a Sean Young and went to the studio lot dressed as the Joker demanding a meeting with Nolan while he hid under his desk.

[Gary Joyce]

I could actually imagine him doing that.

I know theres no chance he will get the part due to his difficult nature after al thats why he wasn't involved in the back to the future sequels.But i can still hope.

Walton Goggins for Joker (again hes probably got no chance but ah well i can dream)

[kalorama]

Glover's "difficult nature" would probably have less to do with his not being cast than the fact that (A) he's really not that good and (B) he's a C-lister whose career has basically been over for about a decade.

I can't comment on Walton Goggins because I have no idea who he is.

[cactusmaac]

I thought it should be Adrein Brody based purely on his look, but I don't know if he has the kind of energy needed for the role after seeing King Kong. He seems a little flat.

I guess I'd pick Joaquin Phoenix who was my choice for Batman if Bale didn't get it.

[Gary Joyce]

I can't comment on Walton Goggins because I have no idea who he is.


If you watch The Shield he plays the part of Shane and he definitely has the look and he can act more importantly.

http://www.nelonen.fi/shield/gifs/goggins_kuva.jpg

If someone can add joker makeup to this pic i think we will see a spot-on Joker.

[cactusmaac]

If you watch The Shield he plays the part of Shane and he definitely has the look and he can act more importantly.

http://www.nelonen.fi/shield/gifs/goggins_kuva.jpg

If someone can add joker makeup to this pic i think we will see a spot-on Joker.

He's too built to play the Joker.

[Gary Joyce]

He's too built to play the Joker.

No hes not hes quiet lean really.

[the film freak]

I thought it should be Adrein Brody based purely on his look, but I don't know if he has the kind of energy needed for the role after seeing King Kong. He seems a little flat.

He did play the a crazy retard in the Village. But yeah I think Brody is too low key for the Joker.

[The Joker]

There is absolute zero chance that Crispin Glover gets anywhere near the role of Joker.

Although it would be cool if he pulled a Sean Young and went to the studio lot dressed as the Joker demanding a meeting with Nolan while he his under his desk.

I could see that. But I wonder how far he would really get, since WB security is apparently supposed to be more beefed up since those Sean "I AM CATWOMAN!" Young days.

[ultramandingo]

.......i still say paul "pee wee" rubens . hes creepy and goofy , plus how many of those other wanabes gots a crimnlal record ?

[HomerJay]

It's official. Heath Ledger IS The Joker in BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/brief_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002915553

[Dr. Banner]

Heath Ledger speaks about his role as the Joker:
http://torontosun.com/Entertainment/...14028-sun.html

Q: How about playing the Joker in The Dark Knight? I have to admit, I would never have thought of you for the role.

A: I wouldn't have thought of me, either. But it's obviously not going to be what Jack Nicholson did. It's going to be more nuanced and dark and more along the lines of a Clockwork Orange kind of feel. Which is, I think, what the comic book was after: less about his laugh and more about his eyes.

There's something for all the Nolanites to start drooling over. Personally, I think Ledger can do alright with the role. But just because people will claim "Brilliant, he GETS it!!" doesn't mean he can deliver.

Hopefully the next movie will be a vast improvement on the first.

[The Batman]

^^^

agreed, a promising quote to be sure but ultimately it's just words.

while the Nolanites might be able to rely on their complete faith in Nolan and Goyer on Ledger's casting I am adopting more of a wait and see attitude. it seems like their approach to the Joker could be a very interesting one, possibly remeiniscient of his portrayal in his first appearence way back in the 40's and i haven't seen anything that says to me that there's no way that Ledger can't pull off the role. he's shown he's got talent in both Monster's Ball and Brokeback Mountain - then again that also doesn't guarentee that he can pull of the role either....

as much as i want them to get the Joker right i also hope that they do a better job with Batman as well, making him a more independent and capable character who doesn't draw everything that makes him him from everyone else. i also hope they can produce a movie that's more even in tone and doesn't go from a awesome romantic realism to a cartoonish climax for no reason other than audience expectations.

[Steve Brady]

Now I'm having visions of a young Malcolm McDowell as the Joker...

[kalorama]

.......i still say paul "pee wee" rubens . hes creepy and goofy , plus how many of those other wanabes gots a crimnlal record ?

Actors in Hollywood with having brushes with the law? Unheard of.

[Corky]

Why i want Terrence Mann instead of Ledger? for one thing on why i want the criminally underrated but fantastic Broadway/TV/movie actor Terrence Mann is because i think he looks like the Joker and has the jaw and smile for the role, he even can act.

Here's a few more pictures so i can show you what he looked like in his younger days, he was on "Critters 1 & 2" as that Rock-Singer alien bounty hunter, remembered him in those? he was also in the broadway play and movie of "A Chorus Line", he's now on "Law and Order".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Johnlindsey289/TM-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Johnlindsey289/TM2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Johnlindsey289/TM3.jpg

[Kirayoshi]

I can see Heath Ledger in the role. But I saw a photomanip awhile back(don't know where or I'd post it here) that sold me on the idea of Christopher Eccleston as the Joker. He's tall and lanky, as the comic book Joker is always portrayed(Jack Nicholson was just a little too robust in build for my tastes), and in Doctor Who frequently showed a wild-eyed expression or huge toothy grin, as well as moments of pure intensity.

[SoulOnIce]

http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1265776.php/Aaron_Eckhart_confirmed_for_The_Dark_Knight

Good casting.

[Lord of Denial]

Not bad. He is a pretty good actor and just under the radar as far as celebrity status goes not to distract from the movie with casting hype.

[Jmacq1]

Yep, I give this casting choice a "thumbs up".

Though I was kinda hoping Eckhart would hold out from the Superhero flicks until they cast a "Captain America" movie. ;)

[Lord of Denial]

If you ever saw In The Company Of Men then you know he can pull of the evil bastard type pretty damn well.

[KenK]

Now, has it been confirmed that he will become Two-Face over the course of the film, or will his just be Harvey Dent?

[Jmacq1]

No, so far he's just been cast as "Harvey Dent." Whether or not Two-Face appears in the movie is up in the air.

[Karl J. Barnes]

No, so far he's just been cast as "Harvey Dent." Whether or not Two-Face appears in the movie is up in the air.

Well, I hope that they let him stay Harvey throughout the movie that way showing Harvey's and Batman's{Bruce's) friendship and then have him become Two-Face for the third movie.

[kalorama]

It's unlikey he appears as Two-Face. The Joker's such a big ticket bad guy they'll probably want to give the whole stage in Part II and save Two-Face for Part III.

[HomerJay]

Well, I hope that they let him stay Harvey throughout the movie that way showing Harvey's and Batman's{Bruce's) friendship and then have him become Two-Face for the third movie.
The rumor is he'll become Two-face after the Joker burns him with acid at his trial at the beginning of the 3rd film..

[Dennis K]

Having multiple villains in one movie usually isn't a good idea, so I hope Karl is right.

[hoffmandu]

Eckhart has that Two-face chin, should work well.

[Nikita]

Nice, Eckhart is awesome.

[Jared]

What, no Billy Dee Williams?! :eek:

Seriously, this news is almost as welcome as Rachel Mcadams replacing Katie Holmes. I'm still wary of Heath Ledger as Joker.

[Lord of Denial]

What, no Billy Dee Williams?! :eek:

Seriously, this news is almost as welcome as Rachel Mcadams replacing Katie Holmes. I'm still wary of Heath Ledger as Joker.

I had not heard that.

Sweet I loooove Racheal McAdams!:D

[kalorama]

Seriously, this news is almost as welcome as Rachel Mcadams replacing Katie Holmes.

Has that been confirmed? Last I heard it was still a rumor.

[MaxofSteel]

Has that been confirmed? Last I heard it was still a rumor.

If it IS true, then it's damn good news! :D

[EZMOHR]

Actually I thought it was 100% no doubt about it that Maggie Gyllenhaal was replacing Katie Holmes over Racheal McAdams and Emily Blunt.

[Rick Marshall]

Harvey Dent, the coin-flipping, split-personality district attorney made infamous by Tommy Lee Jones, returns in 2008's 'The Dark Knight' with Aaron Eckhart taking up the role:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004230112.cfm

[The Foreigner]

Eckhart will be fantastic. "Thank You For Smoking" was a great movie, and severely underated; one of my favorite from last year. I can't wait to see what he does with this role.

[DrDoomX]

From what I understand, he is playing Harvey Dent for the most part in this movie and then the third movie would have him being two face. I could be wrong, but if they did that way, it would be lot more setup then the way they did it in Batman forever, and hopefully, Two Face will be Two face, not goofy ass Two Face as seen in Batman Forever.

[madsci]

Thanks to Pictaker...

The picture was taken on the set of a Chicago shoot of TDK, and is CONFIRMED to be Ledger. There's no green tint on the whole pic... the guy has pale skin and long, green hair...

Furthest...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/madsci/DSC01426.jpg

Closer...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/madsci/closeup2.jpg

Close-up...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/madsci/Closeup.jpg

A combo of Classic AND new...

[DWEarhart]

Ledger described the Joker as having gray skin, and being scarred, very raggedy.

Over hyah. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=415104)

[GRANT!]

So it looks like Heath Ledger with green hair ;)

Crazy.

Sounds we will see an official pic this summer.

[DWEarhart]

And also over hyah. (http://www.joblo.com/a-scarred-joker)

[MaxofSteel]

This whole "scarring" concept on the Joker leads me to believe that the flick will tie into Two-Face's origin.

This may or may not have already been discussesd, but I think Joker will be responsible for Harvey Dent's "accident".

[Magneto_X]

The close-up photo of Joker!Ledger is so bad I can barely see it.

Anyone have a better photo?

[the goddamn batman]

All I see is a punch of pixles.:rolleyes:

His hair is green, but there is no way to tell if he's in make up. Better not be in costume.

Also, why is his hair so long? That looks like ass.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Semjs like he´s got half his hair green, half brown.
Maybe they interrupted the make-up, his right section of the forehead seems to be skintone instead of white/gray.

[IamtheRock3]

he make a good Joker

At first wasnt sure but actully been seeing some of his movies

[Erebus]

Here's a fan-made poster, but it looks pretty tight.
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/Heath-Joker.jpg

[StoneGold]

The close-up photo of Joker!Ledger is so bad I can barely see it.

Anyone have a better photo?

Because it's not closer, it's just zoomed.

[GRANT!]

AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386) is determined to have the first decent picture of the Joker up. The got tricked and posted a photo manip yesterday but claim they have the real deal.

That doesn't look like Heath Ledger to me. But if that's what the Joker looks like I say that's a pretty cool look.

[metalhead_dave743]

AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386) is determined to have the first decent picture of the Joker up. The got tricked and posted a photo manip yesterday but claim they have the real deal.

That doesn't look like Heath Ledger to me. But if that's what the Joker looks like I say that's a pretty cool look.

Here is the pic for those who don't feel like Clicking on the link.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/jokerledger1.JPG

When I heard the Joker was going to have grey skin and all sorts of scarring I wasn't too pleased. I still think he needs to look like a clown, at least have green hair and wear purple.

But if he looks like the pic I won't mind it as much. Green hair and dark purple suit make me content.

[Murrocko]

It's still a work in progress from what I see, but if this is in fact the a real picture from the studios of how The Joker may look like to an extent, I like where they're heading.

[The Foreigner]

A pixely makeup test photo isn't the best to go on, but at least you can get a feel for the concept they're going for, and I dig it.

I expect him to look pretty damn freaky when he smiles.

[ultramandingo]

......he looks like someone who watched takashi miikes's "ichi the killer " too many times

[HomerJay]

I expect him to look pretty damn freaky when he smiles.
Right after BATMAN BEGINS came out, some conceptual drawings hit the internet (I wish I saved em now). I guess they weren't bogus after all, because I remember the Joker artwork to look VERY similar to this (the scarring and longer hair).

In the artist's rendering in fact, the "scars" on the sides of his mouth weren't healed scars but open cuts that split wide open when he grinned. I showed the pic to my wife and she literally had nightmares. Maybe via CGI they'll open up and expose his teeth when he grins. If so, I think fanboys everywhere will be shitting themselves.

[monkeysweat]

So... turns out it's a photoshopped fake after all. Here the creator confesses: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11556864&posted=1#post11556864

[kal_el21]

The pics I've seen that were caps from filming are making me think that we may get flashbacks to the Joker's origin or we may not see him as "the" Joker until some unfortunate accident towards the end of the movie. They did afterall sign Heath Ledger to a two movie deal.

[The Xenos]

Despite the fakes, it sounds like they're going for scars. I posted this in another thread too.

Back from early designs and talk from the first film, I'd swear Nolan or someone there is getting inspiration from Kakihara in Ichi the Killer for Joker.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/900/ichi1bj9.gif

Review with some gorey images:
http://www.monkeysvsrobots.com/mvsrpm/moviestv_comments.php?id=253_0_5_0_C
Review that gave it an F (for being gorey with no redeeming values, heh heh) but has an awesome shot of the guy:
http://www.independentcritics.com/reviews/ichithekiller.htm

Personally, I was reminded of the Joker when I saw this.. disturbing film. So it really doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. Also, a character in the Japanese film Versus reminded me of Mr J a bit too.

[ultramandingo]

......told you

[GRANT!]

He's playing a mob boss (http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_5740968) in The Dark Knight. Sal Maroni maybe?

[hoffmandu]

The return of Eric Roberts, badasssss$$$$$$$$$!

[GRANT!]

The return of Eric Roberts, badasssss$$$$$$$$$!

Y'know after Mickey Rourke's comeback you knew it was only a matter of time.

[Thorlief]

I hope he lasts more than the time Bruce needs to throw him out of a window

[GRANT!]

I hope he lasts more than the time Bruce needs to throw him out of a window

This isn't the Michael Keaton Batman.

He'll probably just get pummelled for a while.

[Legato]

I predicted that Hollywood would come knocking on his door to do a big screen movie after his performance in Heroes.

[GRANT!]

http://i17.tinypic.com/4u1ivb8%20.jpg (http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/)

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

[Captain_Video]

.......Probably worth waiting until a better picture comes out.

I love the marketing of this movie though, very subtle for the most part and all based around the actual story of the film.

[Nintendite]

I like how they seemed to have only shown the face so far (assuming that IS the joker's face, and not some type of henchmen). I'm wondering if that's his mask or his actual face (I heard that at the beginning of the movie the Joker is just a masked mad-terrorist-type but only becomes truly demented about halfway through when he takes a chemical bath).


I hope they continue this viral campaign, think of the possibilities:

A faux-Wayne Foundation site
A full "I believe in Harvey Dent" site, not just that Dent poster
Placing those posters in real life areas, especially next year, since it's an election year

[DonC]

I like how they seemed to have only shown the face so far (assuming that IS the joker's face, and not some type of henchmen). I'm wondering if that's his mask or his actual face (I heard that at the beginning of the movie the Joker is just a masked mad-terrorist-type but only becomes truly demented about halfway through when he takes a chemical bath).

Hey, Grant, this is how you use spoiler tags in case people don't want to see something about the movie. Like, for example, what that picture of the Joker allegedly looks like.

From what I've read, the Joker was part of a gang who wear clown masks. His mask gets fused to his face somehow.


I hope they continue this viral campaign, think of the possibilities:

A faux-Wayne Foundation site
A full "I believe in Harvey Dent" site, not just that Dent poster
Placing those posters in real life areas, especially next year, since it's an election year

The problem with those Harvey Dent ideas is that some idiot will think he's actually running for something and try to vote for him.

[Agent Helix]

I have a bad feeling we're in for another dull, "realistic" Batman movie that collapses into a maniacal James Bond villain plot in the third act.

[Thorlief]

http://i17.tinypic.com/4u1ivb8%20.jpg (http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/)

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

ok, I'm confused

is this official? Is this the Joker?

[Armless Penguin]

ok, I'm confused

is this official? Is this the Joker?

It's official, though no word on whether it's technically the Joker or not. But if that's not Heath Ledger, I'll pay you guys.

[Thorlief]

It's official, though no word on whether it's technically the Joker or not. But if that's not Heath Ledger, I'll pay you guys.

cool, thanks. That IS Ledger, I think he's him. But can't say I like the redesign for now..hope he smiles more in the movie, anyway

[Captain Trips]

http://i17.tinypic.com/4u1ivb8%20.jpg (http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/)

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

He looks freaking awesome. I've always thought the Joker should look more horrific. And the only person who should find the Joker funny is the Joker himself.

[Nintendite]

I'm wondering what the hair will look like.

[kmeyers]

Christopher Nolan kicks ass.

[Punch]

I was skeptical when I heard that Ledger was cast, but this is a great take on the Joker.

[Thorlief]

I'm wondering what the hair will look like.

I believe they'll be some white blonde..definitely not green :(

[GRANT!]

Hey, Grant, this is how you use spoiler tags in case people don't want to see something about the movie. Like, for example, what that picture of the Joker allegedly looks like.

I don't consider it a spoiler. It's a promotional pic like the Iron Man picture. If people don't want to see what the Joker looks like they would probably avoid this thread.

[GRANT!]

I believe they'll be some white blonde..definitely not green :(

Ledgers hair was green in those spy photo shots a few weeks back.

[Thorlief]

Ledgers hair was green in those spy photo shots a few weeks back.

you mean this one?

http://static.blogo.it/cineblog/heathledgerjoker03.jpg

I'm sold now..but the hairdo doesnt convince me:o

[kmeyers]

you mean this one?

http://static.blogo.it/cineblog/heathledgerjoker03.jpg

I'm sold now..but the hairdo doesnt convince me:o

That one is a photoshopped fake. The other one was a picture from far away. It used to be in this thread, but I don't know where it went.

[GRANT!]

No there was a spy shot of the set from a rooftop.

. Found them (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5530)

[kmeyers]

edit. Grant beat me to it.

[Thorlief]

No there was a spy shot of the set from a rooftop.

. Found them (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5530)


yes, thanks, and he basically looks the same. I still dont like his hair tho :p

[DonC]

I don't consider it a spoiler. It's a promotional pic like the Iron Man picture.

A promotional picture hidden on a website that made you wait before you could see it.

If people don't want to see what the Joker looks like they would probably avoid this thread.

I agree, even if you hadn't, someone would have posted the picture instead of a link so this isn't aimed directly at you. What I'm saying is, this isn't labeled a spoiler thread; think about others before you post something they might not want to read.

[kmeyers]

A promotional picture hidden on a website that made you wait before you could see it.
Wait about 5 seconds. I wouldn't call that hidden

I agree, even if you hadn't, someone would have posted the picture instead of a link so this isn't aimed directly at you. What I'm saying is, this isn't labeled a spoiler thread; think about others before you post something they might not want to read.

I really don't see this as any kind of spoiler. Knowing what the Joker looks like doesn't ruin any of the story. You're going to see what the Joker looks like eventually anyway. Whether it's on a poster, or in a trailer, you're going to see what he looks like before the movie is out.

[GRANT!]

I think it's okay. It's not like Venom or something where the producers are actively keeping it hidden. If Conn or the other mods deem it spoiler worthy that's there call. I usually try to be mindful of that sort of stuff. It's not like we're not going to see a ton of Joker stuff before the movie comes out. Apaprently we see him in the teaser trailer coming out with Harry Potter..

[Conn Seanery]

This thread is pre-premiere, any news, pics, or whatever is fair game. It's not like someone leaked the script and purposefully spoiled us all. It's one close up image of a character we all already know is going to be in the film, nothing to stress about. If someone were sensitive enough that an image like that would "spoil" the film for them, then they have no business being in this thread in the first place.

[DWEarhart]

WB already said they were going to show Joker to avoid all the spoiler issues. I like the little rumbling going around that Cilian Murphy might have a part coming up in Dark Knight. Scarecrow must be remembered.

I love how Nolan is keeping everything grounded.

[GRANT!]

WB already said they were going to show Joker to avoid all the spoiler issues. I like the little rumbling going around that Cilian Murphy might have a part coming up in Dark Knight. Scarecrow must be remembered.

That would be cool. Scarecrow was my favorite part of Begins. I have a feeling Ra's will be back in the third one.

I love how Nolan is keeping everything grounded.

Eh... I think he keeps it a little too grounded. I miss some of the more of the over the top aspects of Batman. And it'd be nice to have some memorable action scenes involving Batman, the best action scenes involved Bruce Wayne. Everything else was great except for that.

I'm thinking Dark Knight could potentially be more fun. Especially with the Joker in the mix at least.

[GRANT!]

yes, thanks, and he basically looks the same. I still dont like his hair tho :p

But it's green :)

[Thorlief]

But it's green :)

it is mate, it is. And I dig the new look (hairdo..uhm), he definitely looks like a dangerous psycho

[GRANT!]

Anthony Michael Hall (http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_5943152) has a role in Dark Knight. Apparently it's a big one. At least he says so. It could be Joker Henchmen #2 for all we know.

[HomerJay]

Anthony Michael Hall (http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_5943152) has a role in Dark Knight. Apparently it's a big one. At least he says so. It could be Joker Henchmen #2 for all we know.
Rumor is that it's Edward Nygma, pre-Riddler.
I seriously doubt it though.

[StoneGold]

Anthony Michael Hall (http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_5943152) has a role in Dark Knight. Apparently it's a big one. At least he says so. It could be Joker Henchmen #2 for all we know.

Does that mean Harley's gonna be Molly Ringwald?

[Thorlief]

Does that mean Harley's gonna be Molly Ringwald?


*blasts from 80's crap running through my brain*

[ultramandingo]

...... the arkham breakfast club . bats locks riddler , harley , posin ivy killer croc and clayface in the rec room . hilarity ensues . cue crappy 80s soundtrack

[Nate Grey]

Any truth to this (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=410911)? If so, and I mean if, I could see her playing either Vicki Vale or Harley Quinn. I guess with black hair she could be Selina Kyle?

[GRANT!]

Any truth to this (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=410911)? If so, and I mean if, I could see her playing either Vicki Vale or Harley Quinn. I guess with black hair she could be Selina Kyle?

I don't think it's true. Maybe she was up for the Rachel Dawes part that Maggie Gyllenhaal took over from Katie Holmes (which btw is kind of retarded. Why can't Gyllenhaal play another character. I thought the Dawes storyline was resolved in the first movie).

[Adam West]

How the hell did Eric Roberts keep finding jobs in high profile projects?

[Thorlief]

because when they get older, producers seem to think they're better. And in some cases they are. Think about Jon Voight.

[Fish Sauce]

So www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com. has changed. Now it says "Page not found", but if you highlight the page it descends into madness. There are a few letters that don't match and they spell out "See you in December".

And I also read (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5710) that they've been dropping off playing cards around the place.

[KenK]

How the hell did Eric Roberts keep finding jobs in high profile projects?

Producers think he's cool and hip now that he's been in videos for The Killers, Akon, and Mariah Carey! :D

In all honestly, I've always liked Eric Roberts, and I'm happy for him getting the opportunities that have come his way recently.

[Frankie Dennis]

Any truth to this (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=410911)? If so, and I mean if, I could see her playing either Vicki Vale or Harley Quinn. I guess with black hair she could be Selina Kyle?

I could see her as Gilda Dent.

[Sean Whitmore]

Any truth to this (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=410911)? If so, and I mean if, I could see her playing either Vicki Vale or Harley Quinn. I guess with black hair she could be Selina Kyle?

If I wasn't so sure they're not gonna do Harley, I'd assume she was Harley. And not bad casting for her, either.


SEAN

[Fuji]

Eh, I don't like her for Harley Quinn, so I hope that's not the case. And I hope she isn't Catwoman either. Ok i'll just go ahead and say that I don't like Sarah Michelle Gellar. There, I said it.

[Captain_Video]

Any truth to this (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=410911)? If so, and I mean if, I could see her playing either Vicki Vale or Harley Quinn. I guess with black hair she could be Selina Kyle?

I would doubt it, from what I hear ( as always take with a grain of salt, like so many other leaks that have turned out to be "fake" ) Selina Kyle has a very small part in the movie, the equivalent of The Jokers part in "Batman Begins".

They will be filming in England again apparently, or at least parts of the U.K ( no idea how Chris Nolan convinces WB to do this as we are the most expensive and most annoyingly prohibitive filmmaking area in the world. ) I always get a kick out of seeing places I know double for Gotham City.

Also the Joker....you aint seen nothing yet, a lot of the decisions may not be popular ( nothing necessarily out of character, but tonally different to what we are used to, he is more like a real life maniac than a grinning extroverted nut job....though you may see the comic book version in some fashion in the movie if what I hear is correct ) basically look at what happens with the new look Joker in the Batman comics as it seems to me they are moving him in line with the movie version ahead of time.

Minor Spoilers maybe ! Beware !

The joker is technically not the only villain and a brief appearance is made by a Batman foe from a past movie, which totally makes sense and allows more comic book elements to be shown....they should cover it with a CRANE shot

Again take with a grain of salt like all the other "fake" leaks that have been around, don't have any sources to name or quote, but I won't be able to avoid quoting this stuff when the movie has been released.

"If it aint on the page it aint on the stage".

[Sean Whitmore]

Some new pics from AICN:

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/JokerMask.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4301/darkknightcarouselhf6.jpg


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[Fish Sauce]

So he'll be wearing that mask before actually becoming the Joker? Looks pretty cool to me.

And for some reason that seems like Heath Ledger due to the hair.

[Sean Whitmore]

With another director, I might think it's a bit too on the nose to make him a clown-themed criminal even before he becomes Joker. But Nolan hasn't given me any reason to doubt him yet.


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[Fish Sauce]

With another director, I might think it's a bit too on the nose to make him a clown-themed criminal even before he becomes Joker. But Nolan hasn't given me any reason to doubt him yet.

I suppose that whatever turns him into the Joker doesn't so much change his appearance as drive him over the edge in terms of sanity, so a clown-themed criminal would take it a step further.

I think I'll be seeing this one at Imax for sure, though.

[monkeysweat]

Or maybe that's a henchman with the Joker behind him.

[StoneGold]

Assuming Joker still becomes Joker when Batman knocks him into some chemicals, you still have to account for the Joker card at the end of the first movie. So turning the Red Hood into a Point Break-esque Joker gang would do that.


That said, realizing the image is obscured, but am I the only one getting a Caesar Romero vibe from the second image?

[Nate Grey]

I would doubt it, from what I hear ( as always take with a grain of salt, like so many other leaks that have turned out to be "fake" ) Selina Kyle has a very small part in the movie, the equivalent of The Jokers part in "Batman Begins".

Which is why I listed other possibilities before I listed Selina?

True or not, fake leaks or not, really looking foward to this movie.

[Monty_Cristo]

Assuming Joker still becomes Joker when Batman knocks him into some chemicals, you still have to account for the Joker card at the end of the first movie.

were they still using the chemical vat origin? i thought i read something about Joker being disfigured by a zip line malfunction.

[nervmeister]

The pic you've all been waiting for.......

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/Heath-Joker.jpg

Start discussing.

[Murrocko]

The pic you've all been waiting for.......

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/Heath-Joker.jpg

Start discussing.

Pretty old and fan made

[HomerJay]

Pretty old and fan made
Yeah, that was debunked as fake a LONG time ago.

[nervmeister]

Yeah, that was debunked as fake a LONG time ago.Daaaaaaaammmmn! Dammit Dammit! Dammit! (bangs head against wall).

[Fish Sauce]

Daaaaaaaammmmn! Dammit Dammit! Dammit! (bangs head against wall).

Haha. Don't worry, it's a pretty good picture.

[nervmeister]

Haha. Don't worry, it's a pretty good picture.It's just so cruel! They actually put the DC/Warner Brothers fine print at the bottom. Sick bastards!

[nervmeister]

Also the Joker....you aint seen nothing yet, a lot of the decisions may not be popular ( nothing necessarily out of character, but tonally different to what we are used to, he is more like a real life maniac than a grinning extroverted nut job....though you may see the comic book version in some fashion in the movie if what I hear is correct ) basically look at what happens with the new look Joker in the Batman comics as it seems to me they are moving him in line with the movie version ahead of time.

Makes sense. Spidey "coincidentally" adopted the black suit once again in the comics right when Spiderman 3 came to theaters. So chances are THIS (http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/issue093.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=57450) will be the cinematic face of Heath Ledger's role in "Dark Knight". And I'm sure most of you agree with me that it would work near perfectly for the film. It looks less like comic Joker's sinister clown face, and more like a chemical ravaged complexion that reminds one of clown, which helps the "realistic" approach to this series. For the film, Batman's rogues, like him, are basically ideas given flesh, ideas which try to imprint themselves on the minds of Gotham's townsfolk in nightmarish and grotesque ways.

[DonC]

Makes sense. Spidey "coincidentally" adopted the black suit once again in the comics right when Spiderman 3 came to theaters. So chances are THIS (http://groups.msn.com/UltimateSpidermanOnlineComic/issue093.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=57450) will be the cinematic face of Heath Ledger's role in "Dark Knight".


You should really think about checking out some of the previous pages in this thread. You never know what you might find. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4844316&postcount=154) ;)

[nervmeister]

You should really think about checking out some of the previous pages in this thread. You never know what you might find. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4844316&postcount=154) ;)Nawwwwww. That couldn't be it. So amateur. Looks like a guy with a rash who fell face-first into a sack of flour then ate a heaping plate of spaghetti w/ marinara sauce without wiping his mouth.

[Gary Joyce]

were they still using the chemical vat origin? i thought i read something about Joker being disfigured by a zip line malfunction.


I read somewhere they wasn't going to give the joker an origin which is fine with me since the origin is a mystery in the comics why not the movie too ?

[kmeyers]

Nawwwwww. That couldn't be it. So amateur. Looks like a guy with a rash who fell face-first into a sack of flour then ate a heaping plate of spaghetti w/ marinara sauce without wiping his mouth.

Are you serious? That's some pretty good prosthetics on the scarring...and that's definitely Heath Ledger.

"Looks like a guy with a rash who fell face-first into a sack of flour then ate a heaping plate of spaghetti w/ marinara sauce without wiping his mouth."

Sounds like the Joker to me, except change the plateful of spaghetti with body cavity full of intestines, without wiping his mouth. This Joker looks creepy as hell. I love it.

[Phil Clark]

Everyone keeps assuming that the joker will be created through chemical means. Why can't it just be that he is a seriously deranged person who wears makeup to make his hideous mouth scars seem more clown-like. Maybe one of his character flukes will be that he can't stand when someone stares at his mouth, because to him it isn't strange.

[The Zapper]

Well, it's to early to know what the Joker is going to be in the movie, so I'm holding out for more clear pictures. If he's just a guy in makeup, then count me out.

[Patient Boy]

That said, realizing the image is obscured, but am I the only one getting a Caesar Romero vibe from the second image?

Was thinking the same thing myself. Maybe Heath has a moustache in this one too.

[Erebus]

New news.
The Dark Knight (http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/) website is up. The only thing shown is this picture of Harvey Dent. (http://ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com/images/dent.jpg)

Apparently, DC's also promoting the movie by leaving joker cards (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=5710) in comic book shops, but I don't know if this is authentic or not.

In the "I believe in Harvey Dent" photo, there's supposedly a secret image underneath. Something about movie pixels. Anyways, here it is before:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2850/heath666iz0.gif
and here is whats behind that:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/ollirudi/reconstruction4.jpg
Again, I can't confirm this.

[Man Without Fear]

Awesome stuff!

[the goddamn batman]

New news.
The Dark Knight (http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/) website is up. The only thing shown is this picture of Harvey Dent. (http://ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com/images/dent.jpg)

Apparently, DC's also promoting the movie by leaving

This is actually several weeks old news... and it's been confirmed.

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

A psycho with make-up sounds cool to me. The Joker isn't scary just because he has chalk white skin but because he's an evil bastard. If the Joker acts like a plausible conception of the Joker I don't care if he uses make-up because, let's face it, Nicholson's Joker used make-up, too. I don't think the permanently white skin is really necessary for the character.

[Patient Boy]

A psycho with make-up sounds cool to me. The Joker isn't scary just because he has chalk white skin but because he's an evil bastard. If the Joker acts like a plausible conception of the Joker I don't care if he uses make-up because, let's face it, Nicholson's Joker used make-up, too. I don't think the permanently white skin is really necessary for the character.

Nicholson's Joker is actually the first time I remember seeing the Joker have genuinely bleached white skin (Please correct me if the idea had appeared in the comics prior to this). The only make up he used was to cover up the fact that his skin no longer looked human.

[The Zapper]

Joker has always had bleach white skin. From his first appearance to today. He has used makeup to look "normal" before, but the white has always been all him.

[DWEarhart]

SPOILERS - - NEW BATSUIT REVEALED Seriously, if you don't want to know, don't look, and you might want to avoid the internet for about a year. Anyway, WB is going to release images for this and The Joker to avoid all this spoiler crap anyway.

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[nervmeister]

SPOILERS - - NEW BATSUIT REVEALED Seriously, if you don't want to know, don't look, and you might want to avoid the internet for about a year. Anyway, WB is going to release images for this and The Joker to avoid all this spoiler crap anyway.

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Damn, that's classy!

[GRANT!]

I like the fact he looks leaner and more mobile. But are we ever going to get a Batman costume that doesn't look so bumpy. Either way it's kind of cool and hopefully it means we finally get some decent Batman fight scenes.

[Thorlief]

hm, to me it looks more like a "Batman from the future" suit, but it's hard to judge if you dont see it in action

[kmeyers]

Now I'm even more pissed off that this won't be out for a year.

[xnef1025]

Yay!! Movie Batman will finally be able to move his head :) Hopefully that means more visable and elaborate fight scenes this time.

[DWEarhart]

I loved Batman Begins, but yes, the fight scenes were my biggest gripe about the film.

[ultramandingo]

Yay!! Movie Batman will finally be able to move his head :) Hopefully that means more visable and elaborate fight scenes this time.

........finally ! any one with a 2 by 4 coulda walked right up behind him before - "KA-POW!" - now if they just bring back the sound effect grafiks "WHAM-O!"

[mosdef]

that suit's ill; I can't wait for this to come out

[The Batman]

Yay!! Movie Batman will finally be able to move his head :) Hopefully that means more visable and elaborate fight scenes this time.

Wasn't that the big draw of the suit from Begins though? I mean all the flaws in the Begins suit seemed to be explained away by Nolan's quest for either realism or mobility. I know that everyone said the wierd bulgey neck Bale had was so that he could turn his head. If that wasn't the case then why not give us a better looking suit at least? I mean, for all the talk of mobility the fight scenes in Begins weren't really any better than what Keaton and Kilmer were able to do and for the most part I liked their suits alot better.


I'm not sure what I think about this suit yet. My initial reaction is that I definately like it better than the suit from Begins and while I think it's a bit busy I don't hate it.

[The Batman]

It just occured to me that this suit gives Batman something of a Borg feel.

[TheLazy]

It just occured to me that this suit gives Batman something of a Borg feel.

At least he doesn't look like a power ranger;)

:)

[GRANT!]

At least he doesn't look like a power ranger;)

:)

When did he look like a Power Ranger?

[The Xenos]

Actually, I hear people joking that he looks like the live action Guyver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hayter.JPG).

[kmeyers]

Actually, I hear people joking that he looks like the live action Guyver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hayter.JPG).

The mask looks more like your avatar than the picture link you posted.

[Sean Whitmore]

Actually, I hear people joking that he looks like the live action Guyver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hayter.JPG).

Don't know why they'd do that, since he doesn't, really.


SEAN

[kmeyers]

I'm going to end this on a ...don't be ridiculous, trust in the Nolan.

[StoneGold]

If anything, it looks more like Batman Returns Batman, with the armor-plated abs.

http://www.starman-imaging.com/mar05/batretn2426a.jpg

[TheLazy]

When did he look like a Power Ranger?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/spider_man/willem_dafoe/spiderman.jpg

"Green Ranger Activate!"

:)

[GRANT!]

Superhero Hype (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5895) has news and photos featuring a surprise character.

Major spoilers.

[OverMaster]

Superhero Hype (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5895) has news and photos featuring a surprise character.

Major spoilers.

Yahoo! He's back! I wonder if he and Joker will cross paths.

Also, looks like this could be taking the 'Let's see the power struggle between the fading Mafia and the emerging Freaks' angle, which always has been cool to me.

[DonC]

Superhero Hype (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5895) has news and photos featuring a surprise character.

Major spoilers.


Rumors of that character appearing have been around for a while now. I dunno about this, though. It's starting to be a bit much with Joker, possibly Two-Face, Scarecrow returning and the rumors Anthony Michael Hall's character is Edward Nigma.

Cramming too much into the previous movies is part of what lead to their downfall.

[OverMaster]

Rumors of that character appearing have been around for a while now. I dunno about this, though. It's starting to be a bit much with Joker, possibly Two-Face, Scarecrow returning and the rumors Anthony Michael Hall's character is Edward Nigma.

Cramming too much into the previous movies is part of what lead to their downfall.

Well, Begins had three villains, Ra's, Crane and Zsasz, plus Carmine Falcone, and yet it flowed very naturally.

And besides, I strongly think Harvey will stay a good guy for all of this movie.
Edward Nygma, I doubt he'll have anything but a cameo, and most likely he won't even be in a costume.

[GRANT!]

I think Anthony Michael Hall is playing...

a wannabe Batman or something like that

They are packing a lot into this movie.

Though I think Dent won't become Two Face or at least until the very end, Scarecrow will only make a brief cameo and I'm not sure how Hall's character will play into the whole thing.

[kmeyers]

I think Anthony Michael Hall is playing...

a wannabe Batman or something like that

They are packing a lot into this movie.

Robin?
God, I hope not.

[DonC]

I think Anthony Michael Hall is playing...

a wannabe Batman or something like that

They are packing a lot into this movie.


Maybe he's both. A wannabe Batman named Edward Nigma. Set up for the third movie?