All-Star The Dark Knight (Batman) movie

[Monty_Cristo]

I think its more likely gasoline and it's lit while he's having his face held in it.

Not only that, but there's apparently more to his origin than just that...I've checked an interview or two and - well I get the impression that he and Batman are going to have more in common than you might think.

If I'm right then its a big-ass spoiler and I don't really want to post it here even with spoiler quotes. That said, it is on my blog (linked below) under the jump on the latest post.

Oh, and I've got a bunch of screen caps from the trailer there too.

Whatever, I'm really looking forward to this. Its a shame that DC can only manage one viable movie franchise when Marvel is doing so well right now.

so what's the big-ass spoiler? i can't look at your blog at work. did Dent kill the murderer of his parents? is he secretly Aquaman? is he also a former member of the league of shadows? spill it! please.

[the goddamn batman]

Can you spill it in a PM, please? Some of us would like parts of the movie to be a surprise.

And no, I don't always have the self control to NOT read spoilers when posted. :wink:

[the goddamn batman]

It is a bit bizarre that in this Universe, the Jokers comic book origin is implausible whearas Two Face attains these horrific burns that are more extreme than any burn victim you could name, especially as the science behind Jokers origin is about as plausible, so I guess verisimilitude gets thrown out the window as a defense for the Jokers new Make Up look.

Basically they wanted to change The Joker, for some kind of marketing\style reasons, which is cool/fair enough, but I wish the film makers would just be honest about it.

Where has the reasoning behind Joker's change been mentioned? I haven't seen anything from Nolan and co about WHY they changed it.

I've seen fanboy garbage thrown about left and right, but I've not seen anything from the people who made the change. Did I miss something?

[GRANT!]

Where has the reasoning behind Joker's change been mentioned? I haven't seen anything from Nolan and co about WHY they changed it.

I've seen fanboy garbage thrown about left and right, but I've not seen anything from the people who made the change. Did I miss something?

I think the design aesthetic is for things to feel "real." Not so much about plausibility. Much like if you wore the "realistic" Batman costume for a long period of time you'd most likely pass out or die from heat exhausation rather then effortlessly jump from building to building while fighting ninjas. But it looks like it would work. The new charred Two Face design looks more naturalistic then the magenta nightmare we saw in Batman Forever.

[the goddamn batman]

I think the design aesthetic is for things to feel "real." Not so much about plausibility. Much like if you wore the "realistic" Batman costume for a long period of time you'd most likely pass out or die from heat exhausation rather then effortlessly jump from building to building while fighting ninjas. But it looks like it would work. The new charred Two Face design looks more naturalistic then the magenta nightmare we saw in Batman Forever.

Sure, 'realistic' is the idea. But that falls apart on so many levels. If you drove the Tumbler around and were on TV, it'd be instantly traceable back to Wayne Enterprises and then Bruce himself.

I'm just asking where it was stated that that was the reason for the change in Joker.

[The Joker]

See, that's my issue. I dont see how "REALISM" is a factor in his movies at all. It's not the actual content, it's how it's approached and dealt with. Essentially, there was nothing realistic going on in Batman Begins.

He's still a guy who dresses like a bat and fights criminals. And Scarecrow still created a "fear gas".

Hell, the league of shadows (who are an ancient group of ninjas, secretly keeping the world in check for thousands of years) used a device that vaporized all water, yet didnt affect humans, to try and poison a major city with "fear gas."

Realism, especially in that respect, isnt even an issue. But the way it was explained and taken seriously is what gives it the illusion of realism. And the same could have easily been done with the Joker.

Personally, I very much prefer the permawhite skin. With the hair, I could go either way, it's not as important, although I'd prefer it to be permagreen as well.

The thing about the the Joker's skin being bleached permawhite that alot of people dont seem to get is that it doesnt matter how it happened. I dont care if he was bleached, tattooed, or they never even attempt to explain it, just that it's there.

Why?

It shows that this guy could never come back to not being a freak even if he wanted to. He's always going to look like a clown, even if he were somehow able to become sane again.

In addition, the imagery of him there, in a Arkham cell, with the chalk white skin has always been incredibly creepy, much more so than some guy in clown make up. I think the recent Batman: Confidential arc really got that across with Batman's reaction to first seeing him out of the chemicals, thinking it was a ghost. DKR, if I am not mistaken, did it well too with the one Arkham employee's comment about there being "something supernatural about that one."

Ultimately, it's just general preference. But I think that it's an important part of the character. And by getting rid of it, atleast to me, is akin to going; "Ok, we like your idea for Batman and all...but does he have to dress like a bat? Cant he just wear a ski mask and a bullet proof vest and fight people with a 2x4?"

[the goddamn batman]

See, that's my issue. I dont see how "REALISM" is a factor in his movies at all.

I think Nolan's Batman is about plausable or possible more than it is about realistic. I don't know, did Nolan ever say anything about it being 'realistic' or is that something that the comic fans threw around until it stuck?

I just can't be bothered to remember that shit anymore.

Anyway, take it for what it is or leave it for what it is, it's the only Batman movies we can expect for the foreseeable future and it could be much worse. At least Katie Holmes isn't in them anymore.:wink:

[The Joker]

I think Nolan's Batman is about plausable or possible more than it is about realistic. I don't know, did Nolan ever say anything about it being 'realistic' or is that something that the comic fans threw around until it stuck?

I just can't be bothered to remember that shit anymore.

The way Nolan has approached the material, gives off the illusion of realism. And I believe fans have clung onto that. However, like I stated previously, theres certainly aspects that are anything but realistic. But given the way it's explained, and taken seriously ..... :wink:


Anyway, take it for what it is or leave it for what it is, it's the only Batman movies we can expect for the foreseeable future and it could be much worse.

For the most part, I enjoy Nolan's Batman Begins. And expect the same with The Dark Knight. But of course, there have been decisions (makeup as opposed to permawhite, and yeah .. sure ... Holmes as well) I could have done without.

[Preus]

I think he may have mentioned realism once and then it started getting tossed around a bit too much. If Nolan is trying to go for too much realism, then I don't see how he'll be able to use a lot of villains. Personally, I'd like to see Man-Bat, Clayface, and Bane.

[the goddamn batman]

I think he may have mentioned realism once and then it started getting tossed around a bit too much. If Nolan is trying to go for too much realism, then I don't see how he'll be able to use a lot of villains. Personally, I'd like to see Man-Bat, Clayface, and Bane.

Well, I know he's got a "world" that he's working with, and stated that Penguin didn't fit into it. Which, I disagree with... Penguin would totally work... but anyway, if he doesn't fit, then I wouldn't hold my breath for any of those three. Well, maybe Bane.

@Joker: Is it realism or is it that he's taken it seriously? I'd say the latter.

Again, I'd say plausable or possible more than realistic.

[The Joker]

@Joker: Is it realism or is it that he's taken it seriously? I'd say the latter.

The fact that the material is taken more seriously. Yeah. However, it clearly gives off the impression of realism. Which is exactly why "Realism" becomes mentioned alot.


Again, I'd say plausable or possible more than realistic.

It's certainly evoked as something more plausible, than out and out realism. That's the point.

[the goddamn batman]

Word. Can't argue with any of that. (not that I think we were arguing... )

It is interesting to me that he went with make-up for Joker. He hasn't given him an origin, nor a story arc really, so he wouldn't have to explain him. He could have simply just been... as he is.

Maybe he thought that he'd have to explain it if he went with the actual white skin instead of the "like war paint" line and being done with it.

I dunno... regardless, it's going to be bad ass.

[The Joker]

Word. Can't argue with any of that. (not that I think we were arguing... )

Oh, I think we were agreeing more than arguing. No worries there, Batman.


I dunno... regardless, it's going to be bad ass.

Most definately. :cool:

[Preus]

Well, I know he's got a "world" that he's working with, and stated that Penguin didn't fit into it. Which, I disagree with... Penguin would totally work... but anyway, if he doesn't fit, then I wouldn't hold my breath for any of those three. Well, maybe Bane.

@Joker: Is it realism or is it that he's taken it seriously? I'd say the latter.

Again, I'd say plausable or possible more than realistic.

I don't see how the Penguin couldn't fit in. He's supposed to be mutated in the comics so he could be mutated in the movies. It's not hard to believe that a human could look like a Penguin in certain aspects, stranger things have happened in real life. As for Bane, with all the technology in this Batman universe, I'm sure they could come up with a good reason for why he's able to increase his size. To be honest, just about every Batman character could have a good reason for how they get that way, Nolan could just be lazy.

[the goddamn batman]

I don't know shit about Penguin in the comics. I don't really read Batman anymore, and haven't for a while now.

But, a short fat guy with a pointy nose who wears nice suits, sells weapons and is called penguine for obvious reasons isn't a stretch from reality. Perhaps it's too comical for Nolan's taste. I dunno... and I don't really care since it doesn't seem like it'll be happening.

I'm glad that Man-Bat and Bane probably won't be showing up.

I hope if Nolan makes more Bat films, he eventually gets to Riddler. It's about time Riddler got some love again. He's perfect for Nolan's bat-verse. Plus, Riddler is awesome.

[metalhead_dave743]

I don't see how the Penguin couldn't fit in. He's supposed to be mutated in the comics so he could be mutated in the movies. It's not hard to believe that a human could look like a Penguin in certain aspects, stranger things have happened in real life. As for Bane, with all the technology in this Batman universe, I'm sure they could come up with a good reason for why he's able to increase his size. To be honest, just about every Batman character could have a good reason for how they get that way, Nolan could just be lazy.

Cobblepot is NOT supposed to be mutated in the comics. He's a short stocky man in a Tuxedo with an umbrella and he uses that funny image that he has to fool people into underestimating him... the way Batman uses his image to make people think he's more malicious than he actually is.

If anything, that could work VERY well in Nolan's world.

As far as the rest of what you mentioned... between Joker and Two Face(I hear he might be the main baddy for the third film too)... Nolan doesn't need to shoe horn more villains, especially ones that need a huge explanation or story for how they got their abilities(Ivy, Freeze, Clayface, even Bane.)

[the goddamn batman]

I hope 3 is Two-Face (which it will be if Nolan comes back for a third), maybe a Joker cameo from Arkham if he lives (somewhow... I dunno how, but movie magic man, you can do anything.) and Riddler as the smaller villain (a la Two-Face and Scarecrow).

[Phil Clark]

The Joker was intended to be in the third film, but due to Ledger's death, they have decided to write Joker out of the third one rather than recast the part. Probably a good idea.

[Winterwolf]

The Joker was intended to be in the third film, but due to Ledger's death, they have decided to write Joker out of the third one rather than recast the part. Probably a good idea.

Probably, but Its still really early to say anything about the third film, they have plenty of time to decide weather or not to Joker have a Cameo (recasted or a simple stand in) or not.

[filthysize]

Nolan never stated why they changed Joker, but I think it's obvious from everything else he has said about the character, and it's not due to "realism."

The whole point of TDK is escalation. It's that in trying to rid Gotham of crooks and mobsters, Batman's vigilantism has actually inspired a new breed of villains. I'm guessing Nolan thought it important to have the Joker voluntarily transform himself into this creature of anarchy to highlight the fact that Batman had become a catalyst for something worse. It's almost a love story. Joker's attracted to Bats and/or the idea of the Batman, so he changes himself to enter Batman's world. There's this whole running theme from Begins about masks and symbols and identities. Nolan's just applying that to both Joker and Two-Face.

And, you know, it's much more important to have something consistent and resonant to say in a film than to stay faithful to the source material.

[Preus]

Cobblepot is NOT supposed to be mutated in the comics. He's a short stocky man in a Tuxedo with an umbrella and he uses that funny image that he has to fool people into underestimating him... the way Batman uses his image to make people think he's more malicious than he actually is.

If anything, that could work VERY well in Nolan's world.

As far as the rest of what you mentioned... between Joker and Two Face(I hear he might be the main baddy for the third film too)... Nolan doesn't need to shoe horn more villains, especially ones that need a huge explanation or story for how they got their abilities(Ivy, Freeze, Clayface, even Bane.)


Well, I was going by later comics. Isn't Cobblepot supposed to mutated in the latter comics?

Yeah, we'll probably get Two-Face, but just like they're doing with TDK, they should be setting up another villain at the same time. I really don't think villains like Bane, Clayface and Freeze need a huge explanation, unless Nolan would plan on basing the whole movie on their origins. :wink:

[The Zapper]

Well, I was going by later comics. Isn't Cobblepot supposed to mutated in the latter comics?


He was in Batman Returns, but he's not mutated in the comics. He's just short and fat.

[Lord of Denial]

The Joker was intended to be in the third film, but due to Ledger's death, they have decided to write Joker out of the third one rather than recast the part. Probably a good idea.

There goes my dream of Rachel McAdams as Harley Quinn!

Not that she is considered or anything just in my head.

[DonC]

There goes my dream of Rachel McAdams as Harley Quinn!

Not that she is considered or anything just in my head.


About Harley: An actress named Sarah Jayne Dunn claims she is playing Harley in The Dark Knight.

[Monty_Cristo]

does anyone remember when the big rumour was that Sionis/Black Mask was going to be the villain of this movie? lol.

[metalhead_dave743]

does anyone remember when the big rumour was that Sionis/Black Mask was going to be the villain of this movie? lol.

:eek: What? Explain please.

[DWEarhart]

does anyone remember when the big rumour was that Sionis/Black Mask was going to be the villain of this movie? lol.

I recall him being mentioned as a side-villain, like a throwaway kind of bit, but not, like, a major baddie; though in Nolan's/Goyer's bat-verse he would fit quite well.

[ultramandingo]

Cobblepot is NOT supposed to be mutated in the comics. He's a short stocky man in a Tuxedo with an umbrella and he uses that funny image that he has to fool people into underestimating him... the way Batman uses his image to make people think he's more malicious than he actually is.



.......... if they did him ala Sydney Greenstreet - Gutman in The Maltese Falcon , with a flame thrower umbrela - it would work

[metalhead_dave743]

.......... if they did him ala Sydney Greenstreet - Gutman in The Maltese Falcon , with a flame thrower umbrela - it would work

A simple Knife hidden inside the umbrella would do fine. While some gang boss isn't taking Penguin seriously, Oswald ganks him with the knife before the boss can react or something like that.

[filthysize]

:eek: What? Explain please.

It was never really confirmed. Goyer's original treatment mentioned a British arms dealer (which was speculated to be Penguin) and an orphaned rich man who's supposed to be the opposite of Bruce Wayne. This was rumored to be either Black Mask or Deadshot.

[The Joker]

Well, I was going by later comics. Isn't Cobblepot supposed to mutated in the latter comics?

Nah. Although there has been some inconsistencies in his appearance in the comics. Where some artists are clearly influenced by Burton's Returns film, and then some drawing him more like his classic appearance. But for all intents, and purposes. Penguin is definately not supposed to be mutated in the comics.

Personally, I feel Penguin would be great addition. And I dont view him as being a character quite as difficult to translate as Nolan seems to believe.

[Monty_Cristo]

.......... if they did him ala Sydney Greenstreet - Gutman in The Maltese Falcon , with a flame thrower umbrela - it would work

sure. but replace Greenstreet with Bob Hoskins.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2870908928/nm0001364

[metalhead_dave743]

sure. but replace Greenstreet with Bob Hoskins.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2870908928/nm0001364

I like Hoskins alot but I think he's a little too old for Penguin now.

[ultramandingo]

I like Hoskins alot but I think he's a little too old for Penguin now.

...........burgess meredith was at least 50 - and still owns the penquin - i say get dick cheney to do it - hes already got the evil laff down " wawk wawk wawk " and could supply his own flame thrower umbrela

[kmeyers]

...........burgess meredith was at least 50 - and still owns the penquin - i say get dick cheney to do it - hes already got the evil laff down " wawk wawk wawk " and could supply his own flame thrower umbrela

Burgess Meredith was The Penguin in the campiest version of Batman ever. Nolan's Batman universe is so far removed from that.

The only way I could see the Penguin working in Nolan's world, is if he's treated like the Kingpin.

[pitbull in a skirt]

I'M BATMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC249jPbBDY

I want someone to put Bale's clip next to Keaton's together. Its amazing how they damn near sounded identical nearly sounded exactly the same :eek: Actually, I should do it myself. I don't even have B89 on DVD :frown:

Someone uploaded BB's, but not the whole scene, just the quote, which is pointless to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4qgTk8Vfyc


............... you know schumacher sticks a fork in his thigh every time he sees a new batman promo and screams " NIPPLES !!!! "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIUiXJwNGlo

:tongue:

[ultramandingo]

The only way I could see the Penguin working in Nolan's world, is if he's treated like the Kingpin.

.............im trying to picture clark michael duncan in a top hat and spats

[metalhead_dave743]

I'M BATMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC249jPbBDY

I want someone to put Bale's clip next to Keaton's together. Its amazing how they nearly sounded exactly the same :eek: Actually, I should do it myself. I don't even have B89 on DVD :frown:

Someone uploaded BB's, but not the whole scene, just the quote, which is pointless to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4qgTk8Vfyc


Every time I see Keaton's Batman do that "raise your cape" to look like a Bat thing I totally roll my eyes.

Like this :rolleyes:

It's not scary and it just looks kind of stupid. He stands there in front of them trying to be intimidating. They shoot him and he goes down and gets up and does it again. I could never take him seriously from that.

Bale's "Batman Debut Scene" just trumps the hell out of it. With Batman picking off the thugs one by one, having them blindfire their machine guns everywhere and then when he finally reveals himself, he's already beating the hell out of them before they even know what's going on.

[metalhead_dave743]

.............im trying to picture clark michael duncan in a top hat and spats

Now THAT would be a sight to see.

[kmeyers]

Every time I see Keaton's Batman do that "raise your cape" to look like a Bat thing I totally roll my eyes.

Like this :rolleyes:

It's not scary and it just looks kind of stupid. He stands there in front of them trying to be intimidating. They shoot him and he goes down and gets up and does it again. I could never take him seriously from that.

Bale's "Batman Debut Scene" just trumps the hell out of it. With Batman picking off the thugs one by one, having them blindfire their machine guns everywhere and then when he finally reveals himself, he's already beating the hell out of them before they even know what's going on.
The best part of that whole scene is the last guy...
"WHERE ARE YOU?!?"

"Here."

"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

[pitbull in a skirt]

Well if thats your reason, Bale does the "looking like a bat" thing several times in Begins as well, so thats a bit contradictory. But anyway...

Mugger: I don't kill me man! I don't kill me!

Batman: I'm not going to kill you. I want you to do me a favor. I want you to tell all your friends about me.

Mugger: Who are you?!

Batman: I'm Batman.

[The Batman]

Well if thats your reason, Bale does the "looking like a bat" thing several times in Begins as well, so thats a bit contradictory. But anyway...

Batman: I'm not going to kill you. I want you to do me a favor. I want you to tell all your friends about me.

Mugger: Who are you?!

Batman: I'm Batman.

Yeah we got to see Keaton's Batman do the melting in and out of the shadows thing later on in Axis Chemicals. That bit at the beginning of Batman shows perfectly why a good bit of Gotham's underworld was crapping their pants over a monster that even bullets won't hurt, a monster that won't stop coming after them, a monster that looks like a giant bat.

[Preus]

When is TDK going to be released?

[The Joker]

July 18th










Which cant get here soon enough.

[metalhead_dave743]

Well if thats your reason, Bale does the "looking like a bat" thing several times in Begins as well, so thats a bit contradictory.


You mean when he's gliding in the air? I don't mind that. Or when he's crouching like a gargoyle while talking to Gordon or Dawes? I don't mind that either. And I don't even mind when he's hanging upside down on that crane and swooping down to attack those two thugs because as soon as those two thugs look up, he's on them.

But I don't remember Bale appearing in front of criminals, holding his cape and raising his arms up in the air and just standing there for ten seconds, giving them every available oppertunity to cap him like Keaton. Hell I just watched Begins last night and I'm sure I didn't see that.


Yeah we got to see Keaton's Batman do the melting in and out of the shadows thing later on in Axis Chemicals.

Ah, now you have me itchin to see Batman again, at least for that part of the movie.


That bit at the beginning of Batman shows perfectly why a good bit of Gotham's underworld was crapping their pants over a monster that even bullets won't hurt, a monster that won't stop coming after them, a monster that looks like a giant bat.

I'll admit it's a good introduction, but I'd rather see Batman pounce on them from the start or at least screw with their heads for a little bit using the 'rangs for distraction or something like that. Just appearing and doing the bat thing, getting shot, and standing up and doing the bat thing, I was like "Christ".

[Nefarius]

I'll admit it's a good introduction, but I'd rather see Batman pounce on them from the start or at least screw with their heads for a little bit using the 'rangs for distraction or something like that. Just appearing and doing the bat thing, getting shot, and standing up and doing the bat thing, I was like "Christ".

Maybe it looks ridiculous,but admit it,it was BADASS(and as a kid,i never cared for the bat thing).

[pitbull in a skirt]

I like them both the same (shrugs).


July 18th










Which cant get here soon enough.

Its May, so...approximately only 2 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Come on, we can make it. We've come so far. Remember when it was 2006 and we were crying about the film being released in 2008? lol.

[pitbull in a skirt]

edit double post.

[The Joker]

Come on, we can make it. We've come far. Remember when it was 2006 and we were crying about the film being released in 2008? lol.

Yes. We will make it.

"The night is darkest before the dawn, but i promise you .... the dawn is coming!" :smile:

[Gary Joyce]

Adverts are now being shown on t.v it's nearly here

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/12/...evision-spots/

It's safe to say that I've never anticipated a film as much as this one. Dent and Gordon on the rooftop a la The Long Halloween got me giddy.

[metalhead_dave743]

Adverts are now being shown on t.v it's nearly here

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/12/...evision-spots/

It's safe to say that I've never anticipated a film as much as this one. Dent and Gordon on the rooftop a la The Long Halloween got me giddy.

Fucking sweet, looks awesome. I just wish I could see Batman kicking someone's ass though. The only footage I've seen is the little snippit of when Batman is about to smash Joker's head through some glass.

[Sean Whitmore]

Just appearing and doing the bat thing, getting shot, and standing up and doing the bat thing, I was like "Christ".

Really? Cause I was 9, and all I thought was "Daaaaaaamn."


SEAN

[metalhead_dave743]

Really? Cause I was 9, and all I thought was "Daaaaaaamn."


SEAN

:biggrin: Cute

Seriously, at nine, I was in love with it too. But I remember I hadn't seen Batman for a long time during the time Begins came out so after seeing Begins for the first time, I decided to rent the ol Batman 89 and when I saw that scene, it was a huge eye roller for me.

[The Xenos]

When I was nine I was watching the Adam West show. They were reruns, I'm not that old. About the same time, maybe not quite nine actually, Burton's film came out and I was pissed off it didn't have Robin and how dark it seemd. Then I got into the animated series and was set right.

[The Batman]

I'll admit it's a good introduction, but I'd rather see Batman pounce on them from the start or at least screw with their heads for a little bit using the 'rangs for distraction or something like that. Just appearing and doing the bat thing, getting shot, and standing up and doing the bat thing, I was like "Christ".


See I thought it was smart. Risky as all hell, but smart. It was a nice object lesson to Gotham's underworld. It says: "It's over and you've lost. Your guns won't protect you. Your bullets can't hurt me. You can't stop me. Nothing can stop me."

That guy that Batman made crap his pants, he's going to do what Batman told him to. He's going to tell everyone about the Bat and how nothing can stop it and the Legend of the Bat is going to get all the more fearsome.

Or, if we really want to overthink this, we can look at the psychology surrounding Bruce Wayne, transformed into a fearsome creature in bulletproof armor, letting muggers shoot him in the chest just like his parents were before he beats the crap out of them.

[The Joker]

That's one of the things that I believe make Keaton's Batman, and Bale's Batman distinctive from one another;

Keaton's Batman, atleast IMHO, appeared to want to instill fear into the hearts of his adversaries by the sight of him. As Burton once said, as if Wayne would have to dress up as a Bat for the effect of it. Where the Christian Bale Batman definately prefers the method of being a bit more theatrical in his methods before making a attack.

[Monty_Cristo]

Keaton's Batman, atleast IMHO, appeared to want to instill fear into the hearts of his adversaries by the sight of him.

that's because he could barely move. he's lucky that none of the criminals called his bluff, walked up, and tipped him over. j/k


As Burton once said, as if Wayne would have to dress up as a Bat for the effect of it. Where the Christian Bale Batman definately prefers the method of being a bit more theatrical in his methods before making a attack.

like slamming someone's face into a bathroom mirror, for example.

[The Joker]

that's because he could barely move. he's lucky that none of the criminals called his bluff, walked up, and tipped him over. j/k

I think we all know how stiff the Keaton costume was. But I'm talking in a literal sense. Not in a, "hey this is incredibly stiff, but it looks too cool to discard" kinda way. :biggrin:


like slamming someone's face into a bathroom mirror, for example.

Actually, I was thinking of scenes that displayed Bale Batman's decidely more theatrical methods before attacking large groups of thugs such as Falcone's goons, or his attack on Crane and his thugs. But to each his or her own, right?

[ultramandingo]

That's one of the things that I believe make Keaton's Batman, and Bale's Batman distinctive from one another;


.........that and the lack of wacky prince sound track tunes - "batdance" !

"I'm BATMAN"
BATMAN
Don't stop dancin'
"I'm BATMAN"
BATMAN
Don't stop dancin'
Do it, do it, do it, do it
BATMAN, BATMAN, BATMAN
Don't stop, don't stop
Let's do it
Don't stop dancin'
Let's do it, BATMAN
Let's do it, BATMAN
Don't stop dancin'
Don't stop dancin'
No, damn it! Turn the music back up!
You son of a bitch!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahoRt1eLEIk

[The Joker]

Did Keaton's Batman have a scene where Prince music was used?

I thought the Prince music, for the most part, was part of Nicholson's Joker musical taste. And yes, I'm looking at "Party Man", and "Trust" here.

[Monty_Cristo]

I think we all know how stiff the Keaton costume was. But I'm talking in a literal sense. Not in a, "hey this is incredibly stiff, but it looks too cool to discard" kinda way. :biggrin:



Actually, I was thinking of scenes that displayed Bale Batman's decidely more theatrical methods before attacking large groups of thugs such as Falcone's goons, or his attack on Crane and his thugs. But to each his or her own, right?

but see most of that was stealth/guerilla tactics. i actually didn't see much about it that was theatric. the closest it came was in the first actual full costume battle scene where he swoops down after hanging upside down like a bat. but Keaton's Batman did just as much of that. for all the talk of theatricality, i thought that Bale kept pretty much to the shadows. Rachel got the best look at him, as Batman (when she attempted to taser him). otherwise, it's not like he announced his arrival with some creepy gutteral speech. he saved that stuff for civilians and that corrupt cop. otherwise he just made sure to dispatch thugs quickly and efficiently. there was no "dance" as Ras would put it.

[metalhead_dave743]

but see most of that was stealth/guerilla tactics. i actually didn't see much about it that was theatric. the closest it came was in the first actual full costume battle scene where he swoops down after hanging upside down like a bat. but Keaton's Batman did just as much of that. for all the talk of theatricality, i thought that Bale kept pretty much to the shadows. Rachel got the best look at him, as Batman (when she attempted to taser him). otherwise, it's not like he announced his arrival with some creepy gutteral speech. he saved that stuff for civilians and that corrupt cop. otherwise he just made sure to dispatch thugs quickly and efficiently. there was no "dance" as Ras would put it.

He might be talking about the actions where Batman turned out the lights before taking on Crane's thugs, or blowing out the bulbs with his batarangs back at the docks against Falcone's thugs.

Plus we have Bale Batman tying Falcone to a giant light and making a makeshift bat signal, there's the bats coming into the asylum via the sonic device, and not to mention Bruce gliding through the air before confronting Ras.

Plenty of times where Nolan's Batman used Theatrics.

[The Joker]

but see most of that was stealth/guerilla tactics. i actually didn't see much about it that was theatric. the closest it came was in the first actual full costume battle scene where he swoops down after hanging upside down like a bat. but Keaton's Batman did just as much of that. for all the talk of theatricality, i thought that Bale kept pretty much to the shadows. Rachel got the best look at him, as Batman (when she attempted to taser him). otherwise, it's not like he announced his arrival with some creepy gutteral speech. he saved that stuff for civilians and that corrupt cop. otherwise he just made sure to dispatch thugs quickly and efficiently. there was no "dance" as Ras would put it.

The way the Bale Batman went about his stealth approach before attacking, felt theatrical to me. But like i said before, that's just my opinion. Which was a different approach to that of the Keaton Batman who's shown in some scenes literally just swooping down a good distance from his adversaries, giving them in some cases opportune time to react, then finally attacking them. Bale's Batman methods are theatrical to me in a sense that there seems to be evoked a feeling of "dread". Where you know he's coming, but you wont know when or where until it's too late. Especially in large numbers. Of course this wasnt always the case. But it's more than what I got out of Keaton's version. Who, as I said before, seemed to want to instill fear, and intimidate by the sight of him rather than use any sort of theatrical tactic.

[Preus]

.........that and the lack of wacky prince sound track tunes - "batdance" !

"I'm BATMAN"
BATMAN
Don't stop dancin'
"I'm BATMAN"
BATMAN
Don't stop dancin'
Do it, do it, do it, do it
BATMAN, BATMAN, BATMAN
Don't stop, don't stop
Let's do it
Don't stop dancin'
Let's do it, BATMAN
Let's do it, BATMAN
Don't stop dancin'
Don't stop dancin'
No, damn it! Turn the music back up!
You son of a bitch!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahoRt1eLEIk


:biggrin: :evilsmile:

[Damiean Dark]

Keaton captured the true feeling of Batman for me he is like Robert Downey JR as Iron Man he steals the show and makes you think this guy would put on a suit to fight crime. Another big thing about Keaton is he portrayed the intelligence of wayne perfectly he just seemed a smart guy in comparison to bale who seemed an angry guy using his anger and fear directed at criminals this is another thing RDJR did amazingly well in IM when he is talking to his computer you get the feeling beneath the playboy act he is super smart BB should take a BIG LESSON from this on how to do the playboy/intelligence thing.

Ironn man was better then BB.

[BoosterBronze]

Keaton captured the true feeling of Batman for me he is like Robert Downey JR as Iron Man he steals the show and makes you think this guy would put on a suit to fight crime. Another big thing about Keaton is he portrayed the intelligence of wayne perfectly he just seemed a smart guy in comparison to bale who seemed an angry guy using his anger and fear directed at criminals this is another thing RDJR did amazingly well in IM when he is talking to his computer you get the feeling beneath the playboy act he is super smart BB should take a BIG LESSON from this on how to do the playboy/intelligence thing.

Ironn man was better then BB.

I think Keaton seemed the more intelligent Batman because he just SHUT UP. He didn't say much, making him seem more thoughtful. His Batman was more introverted and mysterious. Also, his films leave the impression he came up with his technology, while Bale's films show very clearly he did not.

Bale needs a mute dwarf. That would rule.

[Tobias March]

I think Keaton seemed the more intelligent Batman because he just SHUT UP. He didn't say much, making him seem more thoughtful. His Batman was more introverted and mysterious. Also, his films leave the impression he came up with his technology, while Bale's films show very clearly he did not.

Bale needs a mute dwarf. That would rule.

And everyone could call him Number 6! :biggrin:

[4thHorseman]

Keaton didn't do much for me. He was always too bland and boring. No personality whatsoever.

The only time I remember him with personality was when he was with Vicki in her apartment, Joker comes in, and he grabs the poker and smashes the vase and says something that always makes me burst out laughing. With Keaton, Batman is Bruce Wayne vice versa. There is nothing different from how Keaton portrays them.

With Bale, you can notice a clear distinction. Wayne acts like a billionaire playboy. Batman acts like someone trying to do good but still strike fear in people.

The only thing scary about Keaton was the acting.

[Tobias March]

Keaton didn't do much for me. He was always too bland and boring. No personality whatsoever.

The only time I remember him with personality was when he was with Vicki in her apartment, Joker comes in, and he grabs the poker and smashes the vase and says something that always makes me burst out laughing. With Keaton, Batman is Bruce Wayne vice versa. There is nothing different from how Keaton portrays them.

With Bale, you can notice a clear distinction. Wayne acts like a billionaire playboy. Batman acts like someone trying to do good but still strike fear in people.

The only thing scary about Keaton was the acting.

Personally I preferred Keaton. I love the scene were he walks in on Vicky and her colleague slagging him off in front of his suits of armour.

[Captain Trips]

Also, his films leave the impression he came up with his technology, while Bale's films show very clearly he did not. .

That's just one (of many) of the reasons why I prefer Batman Begins to the Burton Bat films - there was a plausible reason given as to how Bruce Wayne would have all of these high tech gadgets. Keaton's Wayne had time to run a billion dollar empire, build a high-tech plane and car along with tons of other state-of-the-art weapons, tools, and technology, and fight crime every night. Not only did Begins explain how Bruce Wayne could do this all of this, it also explained how he could do it all without drawing anyone's attention.

[metalhead_dave743]

Keaton captured the true feeling of Batman for me

Okay, Tell me about the time in the comics where Bruce Wayne out of costume went all bi polar and screamed "YOU WANT TO GET NUTS! LET'S GET NUTS"

Yeah, true feeling...:rolleyes:

[/QUOTE]RDJR did amazingly well in IM when he is talking to his computer you get the feeling beneath the playboy act he is super smart BB should take a BIG LESSON from this on how to do the playboy/intelligence thing.

Ironn man was better then BB.[/QUOTE]

The difference is, that Tony Stark IS a playboy despite the fact that he is super smart... what you see is what you get with Tony.

With Bruce, and how Bale played him, he had three different personas. Batman, Public Bruce, and the real Bruce.


And no... Iron Man was NOT better than Batman Begins.

[Preus]

Eh, he didn't go bi-polar, he used that as a distraction for him to get away...I guess.

[Monty_Cristo]

The way the Bale Batman went about his stealth approach before attacking, felt theatrical to me. But like i said before, that's just my opinion. Which was a different approach to that of the Keaton Batman who's shown in some scenes literally just swooping down a good distance from his adversaries, giving them in some cases opportune time to react, then finally attacking them. Bale's Batman methods are theatrical to me in a sense that there seems to be evoked a feeling of "dread". Where you know he's coming, but you wont know when or where until it's too late. Especially in large numbers. Of course this wasnt always the case. But it's more than what I got out of Keaton's version. Who, as I said before, seemed to want to instill fear, and intimidate by the sight of him rather than use any sort of theatrical tactic.


you're confusing the hell out of me. why wouldn't you think Keaton's act was "theatrical?" you just said that he swooped down, let everyone see him, and then attacked. doesn't that fit the definition of "theatrical?" what's more dramatic; waiting for the moment to strike and striking or appearing, stretching your wings out like a bat, and then striking? from what i could tell of Bale's Batman, he was much more cautious than Keaton's version. he realized, from the start, that he could seriously get hurt; doing what he was doing. so he set about beating up criminals very methodically; never engaging any of them for longer than was absolutely necessary. the only ones to even see him fully were those he was interrogating (Flass and Crane) or those who were his match (Ras Al ghul). Bale didn't do much posing in the flick.

" Of, relating to, or suitable for dramatic performance or the theater.
Marked by exaggerated self-display and unnatural behavior; affectedly dramatic.
n.
Stage performances or a stage performance, especially by amateurs. Often used in the plural.
theatricals Affectedly dramatic gestures or behavior; histrionics."

[Astonishing X-Fan]

you're confusing the hell out of me. why wouldn't you think Keaton's act was "theatrical?" you just said that he swooped down, let everyone see him, and then attacked. doesn't that fit the definition of "theatrical?" what's more dramatic; waiting for the moment to strike and striking or appearing, stretching your wings out like a bat, and then striking? from what i could tell of Bale's Batman, he was much more cautious than Keaton's version. he realized, from the start, that he could seriously get hurt; doing what he was doing. so he set about beating up criminals very methodically; never engaging any of them for longer than was absolutely necessary. the only ones to even see him fully were those he was interrogating (Flass and Crane) or those who were his match (Ras Al ghul). Bale didn't do much posing in the flick.

" Of, relating to, or suitable for dramatic performance or the theater.
Marked by exaggerated self-display and unnatural behavior; affectedly dramatic.
n.
Stage performances or a stage performance, especially by amateurs. Often used in the plural.
theatricals Affectedly dramatic gestures or behavior; histrionics."

Batman's approach in Begins was basically to create the image of a bogeyman who swept through the darkness and took you down, completely unseen. There was definately a theatrical edge to it. Just in a different way from Keaton's Batman.

[xnef1025]

Burton's Batman still had a death wish. Nolan's Batman had his trained out of him by Ras.

[The Joker]

you're confusing the hell out of me. why wouldn't you think Keaton's act was "theatrical?" you just said that he swooped down, let everyone see him, and then attacked. doesn't that fit the definition of "theatrical?" what's more dramatic; waiting for the moment to strike and striking or appearing, stretching your wings out like a bat, and then striking? from what i could tell of Bale's Batman, he was much more cautious than Keaton's version. he realized, from the start, that he could seriously get hurt; doing what he was doing. so he set about beating up criminals very methodically; never engaging any of them for longer than was absolutely necessary. the only ones to even see him fully were those he was interrogating (Flass and Crane) or those who were his match (Ras Al ghul). Bale didn't do much posing in the flick.

" Of, relating to, or suitable for dramatic performance or the theater.
Marked by exaggerated self-display and unnatural behavior; affectedly dramatic.
n.
Stage performances or a stage performance, especially by amateurs. Often used in the plural.
theatricals Affectedly dramatic gestures or behavior; histrionics."

Swooping down and giving time for thugs and what not was about as theatrical as Keaton's Batman got in 1989. Hell, at one point he totally dicards the whole "raising of the cape in dramatic fashion" that was shown earlier in the flick, when confronting Grissom's men at the axis plant during one particular scene. With Bale's Batman, there are plenty of instances where he displayed more of a use of theatrics than Keaton's version did. Such as, turning out the lights before attacking Crane's thugs. Blowing out the bulbs with Batarangs before attacking Falcone's goons, a swarm of bats coming into the asylum via the sonic device (which was incredibly theatrical dontcha think?). And last but not least, the gliding thru the air before confronting Ra's in a decidedly dramatic fashion.

Hence, my stance on Bale's version being much more theatrical in his methods than Keaton's. Especially if we were to compare theatricality of only Begins to that of Batman 1989.

[Nefarius]

Okay, Tell me about the time in the comics where Bruce Wayne out of costume went all bi polar and screamed "YOU WANT TO GET NUTS! LET'S GET NUTS"

Yeah, true feeling...:rolleyes:

Hey,i love this quote.It's so hilarius(in a good way).




And no... Iron Man was NOT better than Batman Begins.

I disagree.I believe Iron Man is EQUAL with Batman Begins.Now,we have to check the Dark Knight to see if Batman will reclaim the title of the best superhero ever adapted in movies.

[Damiean Dark]

The new trailer for TDK looks good but i still dont think ledger has a decent voice OR looks totally relaxed as joker.

[Damiean Dark]

BB has nearly zero replay value for me but its main stentgh was its opening half hour, it was unlike anything seen before and desreves its accolades because of that unfortunatly the rest of the film doesnt keep up the standard i cant help feel the line between serious film and action comic book movie isnt balanced enough this is where i think Iron Man beats it, it is a more complete movie.

[metalhead_dave743]

I disagree.I believe Iron Man is EQUAL with Batman Begins.Now,we have to check the Dark Knight to see if Batman will reclaim the title of the best superhero ever adapted in movies.

But by that nature, you wouldn't be disagreeing with me because I never said Batman Begins was better than Iron Man in that post.:biggrin:

However I do personally believe that Batman Begins was better than Iron Man.

[metalhead_dave743]

BB has nearly zero replay value for me but its main stentgh was its opening half hour, it was unlike anything seen before and desreves its accolades because of that unfortunatly the rest of the film doesnt keep up the standard i cant help feel the line between serious film and action comic book movie isnt balanced enough this is where i think Iron Man beats it, it is a more complete movie.

Begins was definitley going more in the realm of serious movie. But I enjoy that, after seeing such a retarded campy take on Batman from Shcumacher, Begins was a relief.

And not to mention, I believe Bale got Bruce Wayne down to a T. He has the three personas of Wayne down, he's got the right amount of subtlety and dryness to his voice* that Conroy had, and not to mention... he looks like Bruce Wayne(not a hundred percent rip from the pages of the comics but there is a certain resembelence).

I'll admit that Downey has more charisma than Bale. No doubt that, but the rest of the cast was kind of hindered because of that, they couldn't step up. The casts' performances of BB was more evened out, and that's kind of needed because Batman does have a BIG supporting cast.

I think that Batman Begins is a better movie also because in Iron Man, there just wasn't enough Iron Man. I can forgive that in a way but Begins had a lot of Batman kicking badguys asses in the second part... and I love that methodical piece by piece way that Batman did it.


The new trailer for TDK looks good but i still dont think ledger has a decent voice OR looks totally relaxed as joker.

I don't think this Joker is SUPPOSED to be totally relaxed. Heath has this charisma in this movie that reminds me of Downey as Stark. As the Joker, Heath is in another world and I think he's going to steal the movie.

[Damiean Dark]

I just dont see this Heath charisma i was never a big fan of his to be honest rather then RDJ who is super relaxed and energetic in the majority of his movies to the point of you getting the feeling that you sometimes get the feeling you are eavesdropping on a couple of witty guys in a conversation e.g kiss kiss bang bang heath is clearly acting out a part in every movie i have seen him in apart from maybe 10 things i hate about you. i always thought Paul Bettany (the voice of jarvis the computer in Iron Man!:biggrin: ) was a better choice for a guy totally relaxed at playing a psychotic BUT charismatic guy.

[Mr.EZ]

Have there been any pictures or footage of Anthony Michael Hall's character in DK?

I know he's supposedly playing a reporter, but it seems fishy to me. I think he's playing someone else and they're just keeping it a secret.

[kalorama]

Or maybe he is playing a reporter and the secret is what reporter he's playing. Jack Ryder? Vic Sage?

[Monty_Cristo]

I just dont see this Heath charisma i was never a big fan of his to be honest rather then RDJ who is super relaxed and energetic in the majority of his movies to the point of you getting the feeling that you sometimes get the feeling you are eavesdropping on a couple of witty guys in a conversation e.g kiss kiss bang bang heath is clearly acting out a part in every movie i have seen him in apart from maybe 10 things i hate about you. i always thought Paul Bettany (the voice of jarvis the computer in Iron Man!:biggrin: ) was a better choice for a guy totally relaxed at playing a psychotic BUT charismatic guy.

me too but the movie has been shot. and Heath will do great!

[The Xenos]

Or maybe he is playing a reporter and the secret is what reporter he's playing. Jack Ryder? Vic Sage?

Who do I have to kill to get Nolan to make a Question movie spinoff? Naw. I don't see either of those being possible, but.. in my wildest dreams. Answer is Very yes.

[metalhead_dave743]

I just dont see this Heath charisma i was never a big fan of his to be honest rather then RDJ who is super relaxed and energetic in the majority of his movies to the point of you getting the feeling that you sometimes get the feeling you are eavesdropping on a couple of witty guys in a conversation e.g kiss kiss bang bang heath is clearly acting out a part in every movie i have seen him in apart from maybe 10 things i hate about you. i always thought Paul Bettany (the voice of jarvis the computer in Iron Man!:biggrin: ) was a better choice for a guy totally relaxed at playing a psychotic BUT charismatic guy.

Heath has dove into an entirely new world in himself. He's completely unrecognizable. I don't see Heath Ledger in the Dark Knight... I see the Joker. His performance is going to steal the movie.

[The Joker]

I just dont see this Heath charisma i was never a big fan of his to be honest rather then RDJ who is super relaxed and energetic in the majority of his movies to the point of you getting the feeling that you sometimes get the feeling you are eavesdropping on a couple of witty guys in a conversation e.g kiss kiss bang bang heath is clearly acting out a part in every movie i have seen him in apart from maybe 10 things i hate about you. i always thought Paul Bettany (the voice of jarvis the computer in Iron Man!:biggrin: ) was a better choice for a guy totally relaxed at playing a psychotic BUT charismatic guy.
I was never a big Ledger fan either. I always liked the guy for whatever reason, but never made it a point to see many of his films. That is, until I saw "Brokeback Mountain". That film most definately made me realize what an incredible actor Heath truly was. As he really knocked one out of the park, and I have little doubt Heath will do the same, and perhaps even more so, with his role as the Joker in TDK.

[kmeyers]

Heath has dove into an entirely new world in himself. He's completely unrecognizable. I don't see Heath Ledger in the Dark Knight... I see the Joker. His performance is going to steal the movie.

Michael Caine has said that during one of his scenes with Heath, he forgot his own lines because Heath was so intense.

When you're able to make an actor like Michael Caine forget his lines because of your performance, that's a pretty damn big deal.

[Monty_Cristo]

that was weird. the Dark Knight trailer just came on tv right after ER ended. it wasn't advertised or anything. that was kind of weird.

[the goddamn batman]

THe problem with Heath was, until Brokeback Mountain, I don't think he'd ever been in a good movie.

I can't slight the guys ability, when I'd never seen him be in any film I'd actually watch.

Maybe that's just me. RDJ would be garbage in A Knights Tale, too.

[Monty_Cristo]

THe problem with Heath was, until Brokeback Mountain, I don't think he'd ever been in a good movie.

I can't slight the guys ability, when I'd never seen him be in any film I'd actually watch.

Maybe that's just me. RDJ would be garbage in A Knights Tale, too.

kind of works in his favor, imo. it's easier for him to disappear into the role if you haven't seen him in much to begin w/; unlike Jack Nicholson (for instance). :smile:

i actually hadn't seen Christian Bale in anything before Batman Begins. i watched American Psycho soon after, though.

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

Maybe Caine forgot his lines because he's an old man? :) I read an interview with him in the Guardian (I think) where he said Ledger would kill time on the set in full regalia and sometimes sneak up on him and scare the shit out of him in character on the set. Perhaps Ledger was building up some palpable sense of menace by just scaring the crap out of select members of the cast.

[metalhead_dave743]

kind of works in his favor, imo. it's easier for him to disappear into the role if you haven't seen him in much to begin w/; unlike Jack Nicholson (for instance). :smile:

i actually hadn't seen Christian Bale in anything before Batman Begins. i watched American Psycho soon after, though.

I saw Bale in "Reign of Fire" and "Shaft." After Batman Begins, I pretty much saw every Bale movie I could.

American Psycho
Batman Begins
The Machinist
The Prestige
Equilibrium
3:10 to Yuma
Rescue Dawn
Reign of Fire
Shaft

Funny, I was introduced to Bale through Reign of Fire. I thought Mathew M's character was a badass and that he could play a badass well. Little did I know that Bale could play a badass even better.

[kmeyers]

kind of works in his favor, imo. it's easier for him to disappear into the role if you haven't seen him in much to begin w/; unlike Jack Nicholson (for instance). :smile:

i actually hadn't seen Christian Bale in anything before Batman Begins. i watched American Psycho soon after, though.

Do yourself a favor and check out Equilibrium(very Matrix-y), The Machinist(he lost an unhealthy amount of weight for this role, but it's an EXCELLENT movie), and 3:10 to Yuma was great, and I also liked The Prestige as well(I always picture that movie as Batman vs Wolverine).

[kmeyers]

Maybe Caine forgot his lines because he's an old man? :) I read an interview with him in the Guardian (I think) where he said Ledger would kill time on the set in full regalia and sometimes sneak up on him and scare the shit out of him in character on the set. Perhaps Ledger was building up some palpable sense of menace by just scaring the crap out of select members of the cast.

And Daniel Day Lewis made Cameron Dias cry on the set of Gangs of New York, just by never breaking character, and glaring at her between scenes. Method acting.

Daniel Day Lewis also made the original Eli Sunday character get fired/quit from There Will Be Blood(a part he won another Oscar for), because the guy was afraid of or couldn't hang with DDL's intensity.

I have no doubt that Ledger BECAME the Joker, from all of the interviews I've read, it seemed to have driven him a bit mad. After the movie he couldn't sleep well, had nightmares, etc.

[DWEarhart]

No Love for Metroland? Well, it ain't exactly a guy flick. Well, it ain't a guy flick.

As much as this movie is hated, I dig Harsh Times, mostly for Bale's and Freddy Rodriguez's performances.

Bale was a complete dick in Shaft.

To see Aaron Eckhart be an entertaining heartless a-hole, In the Company of Men or Your Friends and Lovers are frickin' great, in my opinion.

[mattx110]

that was weird. the Dark Knight trailer just came on tv right after ER ended. it wasn't advertised or anything. that was kind of weird.
Now commercials need commercials?

What a world!

[metalhead_dave743]

Now commercials need commercials?

What a world!

The Hulk trailer did.:biggrin:

[The Joker]

I became a fan of Christian Bale back in 2000 with his portrayal of Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. Already being a fan of the Bret Easton Ellis novel, I unfortunately missed out on seeing AP during it's theatrical run, but quickly bought a copy when it was released on DVD, and was pleasantly surprised how Harron approached the material. After that, any Bale film was automatically sought out, or just became a "blind buy" for me. And upon the announcement that he was going to be playing Batman, that alone made Batman Begins one of my most anticipated films by far.

[The Xenos]

Does anyone remember Ledger years ago in a little Fox show called 'Roar'? It was about Ireland, just before Christianity came to it. It was about warring tribes and the encroaching Romans. Oh and it had an immortal Longinus and his spear that pierced Christ's side. Pretty cool. Wish it would come out on DVD.


I saw Bale in "Reign of Fire" and "Shaft." After Batman Begins, I pretty much saw every Bale movie I could.
American Psycho
Batman Begins
The Machinist
The Prestige
Equilibrium
3:10 to Yuma
Rescue Dawn
Reign of Fire
Shaft

I've seen almost all of those films and he was fantastic. I've only caught bits of American Psycho and Reign of Fire though. Unrecognized to me at the time, I first saw Bale in Newsies and then Little Women. (What? My mom liked the book and took my family to see it.) I saw him a bit in that movie about Mary the Mother of Jesus, but I turned it off after the scene I had caught. It had Mary baptized alongside Jesus himself. Bah. What dramatic license bullcrap is that? Though it's kinda hilarious that his next role was a serial killer. Ha! Meanwhile on one message board I've seen some comments about the film Velvet Goldmine, aka the film where Jesus Batman gays it up with young Obi Wan Kenobi.

I need to check out Empire of the Sun, one of his first films. Plus it seems he was in Brannagh's Henry V, which I need to see all of. I'd also like to check out The New World. (I already saw the crappy Disney Pocahontas movie he was also in.) Oh and I keep meaning to see Swing Kids, which I see he was also in.

[The Xenos]

bah triple post

[The Xenos]

test test test

[the goddamn batman]

If first discovered Bale in Empire of the Sun.

[metalhead_dave743]

Some Screen Caps from the new TV Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjgG_xVAG4Q&fmt=18)

Bat Pimp Slap

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/305/batpimpslapym9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Batman pissed in the interrorgation room.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4722/batmanpissednh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Agent Helix]

Pissed? It looks more like he's making kissy-faces.

[Rabid Trekkie]

Does anyone remember Ledger years ago in a little Fox show called 'Roar'? It was about Ireland, just before Christianity came to it. It was about warring tribes and the encroaching Romans. Oh and it had an immortal Longinus and his spear that pierced Christ's side. Pretty cool. Wish it would come out on DVD.

Man, I haven't heard anyone mention that show for a long time. I was young when it came out and don't remember a lot of it, but I remember really enjoying it. Didn't know that was Ledger.

[jessecuster3]

I just saw this in the paper today:


THE DARK KNIGHT GALA
A NIGHT HONORING FILMMAKER CHRISTOPHER NOLAN

Wednesday, July 16, 2008
IMAX Theatre | 600 E. Grand Avenue


You are cordially invited to a once-in-a-lifetime Gala evening honoring filmmaker Christopher Nolan!

Cinema/Chicago, the 44th Chicago International Film Festival and Warner Bros. Pictures proudly present the first Chicago showing of THE DARK KNIGHT, the follow-up to the action hit Batman Begins. THE DARK KNIGHT reunites filmmaker Christopher Nolan and star Christian Bale, who reprises the role of Batman/Bruce Wayne in his continuing war on crime. The City of Chicago is prominently showcased in the film, with shots of the old Chicago Post Office, the State of Illinois Center, the IBM Building, Upper and Lower Wacker Drive, and LaSalle Street, among other locations.

The evening will include a tribute to filmmaker Christopher Nolan followed by a screening of THE DARK KNIGHT in IMAX®, which features six sequences shot with IMAX® cameras. “Nolan’s work has captivated both critics and audiences alike. Memento remains one of the great directorial and writing achievements in cinema. He is a modern writer/director who approaches all aspects of his work with a style and sophistication seen only amongst the most elite tier of filmmakers,” remarks Festival Founder and Artistic Director Michael Kutza.

A dinner reception will follow the tribute and screening in the stunning Crystal Gardens at Navy Pier, lit up by a spectacular fireworks display. The Gala will benefit Cinema/Chicago, its year-round educational programs, and the 44th Chicago International Film Festival.

Warner Bros. Pictures presents, in association with Legendary Pictures, a Syncopy Production, a Christopher Nolan film, THE DARK KNIGHT. Nolan directed the film from a screenplay written by Jonathan Nolan and Christopher Nolan, story by Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer. Charles Roven, Emma Thomas and Christopher Nolan are the producers, with Benjamin Melniker, Michael E.Uslan, Kevin De La Noy and Thomas Tull serving as executive producers. THE DARK KNIGHT is based upon characters appearing in comic books published by DC Comics. Batman was created by Bob Kane.


Evening Program:

5:30PM Red Carpet Arrivals

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[DonC]

Does anyone remember Ledger years ago in a little Fox show called 'Roar'? It was about Ireland, just before Christianity came to it. It was about warring tribes and the encroaching Romans. Oh and it had an immortal Longinus and his spear that pierced Christ's side. Pretty cool. Wish it would come out on DVD.



It is out on DVD.

[mattx110]

The Hulk trailer did.:biggrin:
Oh crap... I missed the Dark Knight trailer, and the Hulk trailer...

Someone shoulda warned me!:smile:

[Monty_Cristo]

Do yourself a favor and check out Equilibrium(very Matrix-y), The Machinist(he lost an unhealthy amount of weight for this role, but it's an EXCELLENT movie), and 3:10 to Yuma was great, and I also liked The Prestige as well(I always picture that movie as Batman vs Wolverine).

i've seen all of those. liked them all too.

[the goddamn batman]

Who's Batman pimp slapping there? Looks like a swat team guy or something...

anyway, jsut hearing them say IMAX in the tv spot got me all extra excited!!!:biggrin:

[averagejoe]

Check it out! (http://popculturezoo.com/archives/474) This is a fantastic poster. The wait for this film s becoming unbearable.

[Preus]

That bat pimp slap is definitely going to be a highlight in the movie. :biggrin:

[Damiean Dark]

Bale is a fine actor but i would like him to broaden his horizens with a mainstream comedy or romantic comedy his "person in psychological confusion shtick is getting a bit one dimensional of late imo. in the few comedy moments in Harsh times (my favourite being the part when him and his partner visit the friend in the bathing robes) Bale seems slightly out of his element it would be interesting (and fun) to see what he would do in a film like knocked up where there is a slight element of improvisation to the hilarity.

[DWEarhart]

Newsies, Swing Kids, and Velvet Goldmine werent' funny enough?

Just kiddin'.

Well, maybe not about Newsies.

[Monty_Cristo]

Bale is a fine actor but i would like him to broaden his horizens with a mainstream comedy or romantic comedy his "person in psychological confusion shtick is getting a bit one dimensional of late imo. in the few comedy moments in Harsh times (my favourite being the part when him and his partner visit the friend in the bathing robes) Bale seems slightly out of his element it would be interesting (and fun) to see what he would do in a film like knocked up where there is a slight element of improvisation to the hilarity.

i don't think it'd work. same problem Denzel Washington has. imagine Denzel in 'Knocked Up.' some actors just have their niche and that's it. it's not a bad thing.

[ultramandingo]

.........denzel in the martin star part - i can see that - with a big nasty beard

[ultramandingo]

Newsies, Swing Kids, and Velvet Goldmine werent' funny enough?

Just kiddin'.

Well, maybe not about Newsies.

.........american phycho was pretty funny - " do you like huey lewis and the news?"

[The Joker]

.........american phycho was pretty funny - " do you like huey lewis and the news?"
American Psycho was downright hilarious. Just as the Bret Easton Ellis book was in many respects.

"Now if you will excuse me, I have a dinner date with Cliff Huxtable at the Four Seasons."

[filthysize]

Yeah, how is American Psycho not a comedy? Bale was hysterical in it.

[Damiean Dark]

Now thats a debate Denzel or Bale who is the better actor?????:tongue:

[kanjisheik]

Denzel is really really good, no doubt, but Christian Bale is probably one of the greatest actors in Hollywood right now, alongwith Matt Damon and Leonardo diCaprio, IMO.

[Monty_Cristo]

.........american phycho was pretty funny - " do you like huey lewis and the news?"

dark humor. not laugh track humor.

[the goddamn batman]

dark humor. not laugh track humor.

That's still funny.:wink:

[Damiean Dark]

Denzel is really really good, no doubt, but Christian Bale is probably one of the greatest actors in Hollywood right now, alongwith Matt Damon and Leonardo diCaprio, IMO.

Bale is respected but the true A listers of Hollywood are clearly Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Will Smith.

[the goddamn batman]

Bale is respected but the true A listers of Hollywood are clearly Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Will Smith.

Yeah, clearly.:rolleyes:

[kmeyers]

Bale is respected but the true A listers of Hollywood are clearly Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Will Smith.

Three words, Daniel Day-Lewis.

[The Zapper]

Bale is respected but the true A listers of Hollywood are clearly Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Will Smith.

Yes, because there can only be 3 A listers in Hollywood.

[BoosterBronze]

Bale is respected but the true A listers of Hollywood are clearly Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Will Smith.

Didn't Clooney and Cruise both have major flops this year?

[Toku King]

Didn't Clooney and Cruise both have major flops this year?

They did? Which movies?

[Justin D.]

They did? Which movies?

Leatherheads and Lions for Lambs. Technically, Lions for Lambs was a 2007 movie, but it was also the last one Cruise was in.

[the goddamn batman]

Lions for Lambs was terrible. Cruise being the worst offender in it.

[metalhead_dave743]

Bale is respected but the true A listers of Hollywood are clearly Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Will Smith.

If that "A" stands for "A Certified Psychotic Overly Religious Scientologist Loon" then yeah, Tom Cruise is on the "A list."

[meethraa]

If that "A" stands for "A Certified Psychotic Overly Religious Scientologist Loon" then yeah, Tom Cruise is on the "A list."

Whatever the "A" stands for, there's no doubt Cruise is a super-star. Just because it became fashionable to bash him for his crazy beliefs, it doesn't change the fact that he's one of the biggest names in hollywood.

Of course, the idea that he's one of just three A-list actors in the world, otoh, is kinda... subjective, to say the least.

[metalhead_dave743]

Whatever the "A" stands for, there's no doubt Cruise is a super-star. Just because it became fashionable to bash him for his crazy beliefs, it doesn't change the fact that he's one of the biggest names in hollywood.

Of course, the idea that he's one of just three A-list actors in the world, otoh, is kinda... subjective, to say the least.

True, but "fashionable to bash him for his crazy beliefs" can also be read as "Cruise lost a lot of credibility BECAUSE of those crazy beliefs and what he says in the name of them."

He's DEFINITLEY not as huge as he was 5 years ago.

[the goddamn batman]

I'm lost on the part where Cruise was ever a good actor. Risky Business aside.

[metalhead_dave743]

I'm lost on the part where Cruise was ever a good actor. Risky Business aside.

Maybe surrounding yourself with talented actors like Nicholson and Bacon in your movies while you happen to grab the lead of those movies gets you that perception.

And oh yeah... thank GOD Cruise never played Batman.

[Preus]

Cruise is an okay actor but if he became Batman I'd throw away everything I have that's Batman related and burn my own name in my arm.

[metalhead_dave743]

Cruise is an okay actor but if he became Batman I'd throw away everything I have that's Batman related and burn my own name in my arm.

Well I wouldn't go THAT far. Throwing anything I had that's Batman related would be a BIT much.

[Preus]

Yeah, but seeing Cruise in a Batman suit would make me go insane.

[meethraa]

I'm lost on the part where Cruise was ever a good actor. Risky Business aside.

I think he can be very good at times. Lestat, for once. Also stuff like Born on the 4th of July and Magnolia, I really liked him in those... but I also really enjoyed him in Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky, Collateral, Eyes Wide Shut, etc...

[metalhead_dave743]

Collateral

Forgot about that one... he was pretty damn good as the bad guy...

Maybe he can play a Batman villain...:wink:

[meethraa]

Forgot about that one... he was pretty damn good as the bad guy...

Maybe he can play a Batman villain...:wink:

He kinda reminded me of JLE villain Gray Man in Collateral.

[Monty_Cristo]

Cruise does look a little like Burt Ward.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2590873600/nm0911431

(but so does Steve Carrell)

[DWEarhart]

Let's not forget Cruise was almost Iron Man oh so long ago.

[metalhead_dave743]

Let's not forget Cruise was almost Iron Man oh so long ago.

:eek: Explain Please

BTW, could anybody post the new TDK banner showing Joker? I tried to get it from BOF but it isn't showing up.

[DWEarhart]

:eek: Explain Please

BTW, could anybody post the new TDK banner showing Joker? I tried to get it from BOF but it isn't showing up.

Relax. It was years and years back, when the idea for an Iron Man movie was first tossed around. But Cruise was the frontrunner.

[The Batman]

I think he can be very good at times. Lestat, for once. Also stuff like Born on the 4th of July and Magnolia, I really liked him in those... but I also really enjoyed him in Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky, Collateral, Eyes Wide Shut, etc...

Yeah Tom Cruise can be good when he wants to be. The problem, for me, is that the actor is becoming increasingly eclipsed by the over-the-top wacky celebrity to the point where it's getting difficult to not watch a movie and see "Tom Cruise".

[smartalek]

:eek: Explain Please

BTW, could anybody post the new TDK banner showing Joker? I tried to get it from BOF but it isn't showing up.

Back when Tom Cruise had his production company at Paramount with Paula Wagner, he acquired the rights to Iron Man to be a starring vehicle for himself.
I am very glad the rights reverted back to Marvel. The concept was to have Iron Man only feature technology that would be feasible using modern military tech in present day. Which, would not be Iron Man.
Tom Cruise is also lousy acting like he is drunk. He would not be as fun as RBJr.

[Damiean Dark]

Cruise on form is as good as any actor around today he has the extra dimension a lot of actors lack of being able to lead any kind of movie romantic comedy, action flick,(mission impossible) sci fi,(minority report) comedy,(jerry mcguire) Drama,(born on the 4th of july) its hard to name many actors who have successfully done this i reallly do think he is an all time hollywood great.

[the goddamn batman]

Cruise on form is as good as any actor around today he has the extra dimension a lot of actors lack of being able to lead any kind of movie romantic comedy, action flick,(mission impossible) sci fi,(minority report) comedy,(jerry mcguire) Drama,(born on the 4th of july) its hard to name many actors who have successfully done this i reallly do think he is an all time hollywood great.

And yet, in all of those movies he's played pretty much the exact same person. He's not any different on a talk show than he is in a movie.

I'll give you Born on the Fourth of July because I've never actually seen the whole movie.

[filthysize]

As far as I'm concerned, Cocktail is the zenith of acting prowess.

[the goddamn batman]

Oh yea... how could I forget Cocktail.:redface:

[pitbull in a skirt]

Will the superheroes save Hollywood? (http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080521/COLUMNISTS/805210331/1050&title=Will_the_superheroes_save_Hollywood_)






Iron Man almost literally ran Speed Racer off the road last week, grossing $50.5 million in its second weekend at the box office to Speedy's opening total of just $20.2 million. (Don't even ask what happened to What Happens in Vegas.)
And, with the exception of Indiana Jones, it looks as if the guys in tights will dominate the rest of the summer at the multiplex.


Coming on June 13 is The Incredible Hulk, a makeover of the 2003 less-than-megahit, with Edward Norton substituting for Eric Bana as the tormented Bruce Banner and Louis LeTerrier (Transporter) replacing Ang Lee as director. Robert Downey Jr. (again as Tony Stark) and longtime Marvel Comics boss Stan Lee, having already appeared in Iron Man, will pop up for (at least) cameo appearances in the new film, as will Lou Ferrigno, who played The Hulk on the 1978-1982 CBS TV series.


Christian Bale returns for his second tour of duty as Batman in The Dark Knight, opening July 18. Christopher Nolan (Insomnia, The Prestige) is back as director, while Michael Caine again plays Alfred the Butler. This will go down in history as Heath Ledger's Last Movie, with the late Australian actor playing The Joker on what appears to have been a Bad Makeup Day. Rumor has it, he'll make Jack Nicholson look like Cesar Romero.

Meanwhile, Ron Perlman will be back in the title role - and Mexican director Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labyrinth) back at the helm - for Hellboy II: The Golden Army on July 11. Based on the Dark Horse Comics character, Hellboy, a young demon who was zapped into our dimension by Nazi occultists but raised as a good guy by kindly American scientists. (That plot line was spelled out in the 2004 film.)


Golden Army follows our hero's career as a psychic investigator - and he should have his oversized stone hand full, since "a rebel prince of Elfland" is leading an attack on our mundane world in response to a threat in the realms of magic. Selma Blair and John Hurt will be back from the original, although Doug Jones (alias "The Silver Surfer" from The Fantastic Four movies) appears to be taking over for David Hyde Pierce as the aquatic Abe Sapien. (Note for fans of the '80s Beauty and the Beast series: Golden Army will also reunite Perlman, who played The Beast, with Roy Dotrice, who played Vincent).


And that's not all, folks. The next few years are going to see a proliferation of superhero epics. Upcoming projects from the Marvel stable include Thor (2009), The Avengers (2009 - about the Marvel superheroes' alliance, not a remake of that bad Ralph Fiennes/Uma Thurman movie), Ant-Man (2010) and Nick Fury (2010). A fourth installment of Spider-Man has been announced for next summer.


It's not clear if Samuel L. Jackson will be playing the leader of S.H.I.E.L.D. (What? You didn't sit through Iron Man's closing credits, or watch that YouTube video?) He is, however, announced as "The Octopus," one of the bad guys in The Spirit (2009), an adaptation of Will Eisner's vintage noir-ish comic about a gumshoe who comes back from Beyond. Scarlett Johansson and Eva Mendes are also cast, while Frank Miller - the comic artist who revived Batman's career with his "Dark Knight" series - is supposed to make his directorial debut.


Over in the D.C. Comics universe, "Mad Max" creator George Miller is still committed to Justice League: Mortal, which was supposed to start filming this summer, according to Internet Movie Database, but appears to be on indefinite hiatus. Rumors had Adrian Brody cast as The Flash and the rapper Common as Green Lantern.
Producer Joel Silver has been trying to launch a big-screen version of D.C.'s venerable Wonder Woman since 2001. At one point, Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon was supposed to write and direct, but he left the project last year over that old super-villain "creative differences." IMDb lists Wonder Woman as still in the "scripting" stage.


As David Hajdu noted in his wonderful new history The Ten-Cent Plague, superheroes were virtually the only comic-book characters to survive the purge of the 1950s. That was when Fredric Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent warned that comics were leading our youth into perversion and crime. Within a few years, Senate hearings and local censorship managed to kill off E.C.'s Tales of the Crypt and other horror- and crime-themed comics.


Now, it seems as if superheroes are the only vein of American pop culture that's still producing ore.


Which leads me to wonder: Will overexposure do what Kryptonite couldn't do to Superman? Will audiences finally get bored with them, as they apparently did with the endless cowboy heroes, and tune out?


Which is why the only summer superhero I haven't mentioned yet is so intriguing. He's a spoof.


Opening July 2, as this season's big Independence Day blockbuster, is Will Smith in Hancock, about a guy with super-powers who lost favor when too many of his super-feats went wrong. (Judging from the previews, he once threw a beached whale out to sea - only to sink a passing sailboat). Now, he's an embittered, homeless alcoholic on Skid Row. Jason Bateman (the husband from Juno) plays a public relations exec who sets out to revive Hancock's career. Trouble is, the recovering superhero starts to show too much interest in the exec's wife (Charlize Theron).


Actor-turned-director Peter Berg (The Kingdom, Friday Night Lights) is directing Hancock (originally titled Tonight, He Comes), based on a near-legendary script that reportedly had floated around Hollywood for years.


Well, superheroes have stood up to a few laughs before. (Remember The Incredibles?) Superman, back in the day, started out as a light-hearted romp - a wisecracking muscleman who, without his cape, turned into a stuttering, bespectacled wimp in front of Lois Lane. Maybe levity is the secret of their super-powers after all.

[Preus]

Any new photos or news on this movie?

[metalhead_dave743]

From Wikipedia, take it for what it's worth or research it yourself...

"In the viral marketing for The Dark Knight, Edward Nashton, one of the alias of The Riddler, is credited for writing an editorial in The Gotham Times Volume 2 which features an article about a Batman statue being added to the Wax Museum as well. Madame Soleil's Wax Museum was used in a 1966 episode of the Batman TV series, where the Riddler used a Batman statue to smuggle in a 'Universal Wax Solvent' from France, to be used later against Batman. This could possibly hint to an appearance by The Riddler in The Dark Knight. Anthony Michael Hall was rumored for the role; however, it has been revealed that Hall is playing a reporter named Mike Engel."

[jesse_custer]

And yet, in all of those movies he's played pretty much the exact same person. He's not any different on a talk show than he is in a movie.

Tom Cruise has done a lot of shit, but this is an unfair generalization. He's a grief-stricken and drug-addicted father in Minority Report, a calculating and Darwin-supporting assassin in Collateral, and a seemingly confident motivational speaker whose family background proves to be soft spot in Magnolia.

[the goddamn batman]

Tom Cruise has done a lot of shit, but this is an unfair generalization. He's a grief-stricken and drug-addicted father in Minority Report, a calculating and Darwin-supporting assassin in Collateral, and a seemingly confident motivational speaker whose family background proves to be soft spot in Magnolia.

WHO the characters are has nothing to do with HOW Cruise portrayed them with his 'acting'.

To me, and this is just my opinion, they're all mostly the same. Subtle differences here and there, but mostly it's just Cruise the same as he'd appear on a talk show.

I have NEVER understood why people ever thought he was a good actor. Different strokes, though.

[metalhead_dave743]

Can we please stop talking about Tom Cruise here? I don't like him being in the thought bubble as Batman, much less in the same thread. :biggrin:

[Preus]

Yeah, Christian Bale was the best choice for Batman and he's been showing it. I look forward to seeing how he's improved in TDK.

[GRANT!]

Yeah, Christian Bale was the best choice for Batman and he's been showing it. I look forward to seeing how he's improved in TDK.

I hear he does a show stopping dance number.

[kmeyers]

I hear he does a show stopping dance number.

My Nolan tells me otherwise...

[DWEarhart]

Do not deny. Bale can dance. And, apparently, sign on for other trilogies.

[filthysize]

Oddly enough, Newsies is on HBO right now and I'm watching it as I am typing this. If he wants to, Bale can reinvent the Bat-tusi, and it will rule so hard.

[TMM Writes Lego]

i got free tickets in 2006 and saved them till the due date of TDK. I already know alot of the spoilers!

[DWEarhart]

Who doesn't?

[TMM Writes Lego]

alot of people. like 2% of 100%

[Spike-X]

2% of 100%? That's, like...2%!

[The Xenos]

And that's like 2 out of every 100 people. Whoa.

[Spike-X]

Which is a lot of people.

Apparently.

[metalhead_dave743]

Which is a lot of people.

Apparently.

Well with 6 Billion people on the earth, 2 percent probably does add up.

[the goddamn batman]

We could take em.

[the goddamn batman]

Wow... Batman's cowl looks terrible: http://www.empireonline.com/magazine/

[The Joker]

Must find the Joker cover ...

[Pauly T]

Wow... Batman's cowl looks terrible: http://www.empireonline.com/magazine/

Looks a little Schumacher-y to me...

[kmeyers]

Wow... Batman's cowl looks terrible: http://www.empireonline.com/magazine/

The nose looks ridiculous.

[the goddamn batman]

OMFG, Empire... I'd like to actually let go of the page... you know, so when I go to turn the next page, I can actually do that. Instead I'm just flopping the previous page all over the place. Really irritating.

This could be an operator error, but, someone shoudl hae removed that possibility.

[The Batman]

Looks a little Schumacher-y to me...

Because it looks like he's wearing his codpiece where his nose is?

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

Ah, I don't mind. It has a practical value. You want someone punching THAT nose or your REAL nose?

[the goddamn batman]

Practical, smactical. It looks retarded. That's just not a good picture. I've seen others where it's not that bad.

[kmeyers]

Practical, smactical. It looks retarded. That's just not a good picture. I've seen others where it's not that bad.

Yeah, I'm just really hoping that was a terrible lighting job. Because the only person who should be wearing a bulbous clown nose is the Joker.

[metalhead_dave743]

Dark Knight's not even out yet and it's already winning awards.

USA Today gave it an award for best action trailer haha.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-05-26-golden-trailer-awards_N.htm

[metalhead_dave743]

Yeah, I'm just really hoping that was a terrible lighting job. Because the only person who should be wearing a bulbous clown nose is the Joker.

This work better for you?

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5195/batmanmilksn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Minus the milk mustache?

[metalhead_dave743]

Bale is a fine actor but i would like him to broaden his horizens with a mainstream comedy or romantic comedy his "person in psychological confusion shtick is getting a bit one dimensional of late imo. in the few comedy moments in Harsh times (my favourite being the part when him and his partner visit the friend in the bathing robes) Bale seems slightly out of his element it would be interesting (and fun) to see what he would do in a film like knocked up where there is a slight element of improvisation to the hilarity.

Bale's thoughts on Romantic Comedies...

"The only thing I would unequivocally say is that I have never had any interest in romantic comedy—I just couldn't do it. I think I'd be terrible. And I think it's an oxymoron, anyway. I've never found any of them funny."

[HomerJay]

Bale's thoughts on Romantic Comedies...

"The only thing I would unequivocally say is that I have never had any interest in romantic comedy—I just couldn't do it. I think I'd be terrible. And I think it's an oxymoron, anyway. I've never found any of them funny."
Reason #257 why I like Bale.

[Dreadstar]

This work better for you?

Dear lord... I'm hoping a lot of the lighting is as dark as the movie title suggests. That headpiece is really... off.

[Damiean Dark]

And yet, in all of those movies he's played pretty much the exact same person. He's not any different on a talk show than he is in a movie.

I'll give you Born on the Fourth of July because I've never actually seen the whole movie.

Its funny i feel the exact same way about Bale barring American Psycho.

[jesse_custer]

Explain how Bale is the "same person" in Empire of the Sun, The Machinist, and Batman Begins.

[Damiean Dark]

WHO the characters are has nothing to do with HOW Cruise portrayed them with his 'acting'.

To me, and this is just my opinion, they're all mostly the same. Subtle differences here and there, but mostly it's just Cruise the same as he'd appear on a talk show.

I have NEVER understood why people ever thought he was a good actor. Different strokes, though.

Again EXACTLY with Bale and if we are all honest most actors few actors can completely change maybe johnny Depp and Val Kilmer in the doors and Tombstone was pretty brilliant too.

[Damiean Dark]

Explain how Bale is the "same person" in Empire of the Sun, The Machinist, and Batman Begins.

Only if you explain how cruise is thee same in Born on the fourth of July, Interview with the vampire and Magnolia :tongue:

[jesse_custer]

I don't think Cruise or Bale is the same person in every movie.

[Damiean Dark]

People jump on cruise beause of the Scientology stuff but he is a hollywood legend and a great actor imo.

[the goddamn batman]

People jump on cruise beause of the Scientology stuff but he is a hollywood legend and a great actor imo.

I ragged on that guy well before he was bustin' Scientology-lighting caps in Oprah's ass...

Regardless, I'm not interested in having a conversation about who's the better actor. I'm just here to talk about The Dark Knight.

[metalhead_dave743]

Regardless, I'm not interested in having a conversation about who's the better actor. I'm just here to talk about The Dark Knight.

QFT

And I thought the Cruise BS was finally behind us... lets finally KEEP Tom Cruise out of the Dark Knight

Now to change the subject...

How much ass do you think Christian Bale is going to kick in this movie?

[mattx110]

QFT

And I thought the Cruise BS was finally behind us... lets finally KEEP Tom Cruise out of the Dark Knight

Now to change the subject...

How much ass do you think Christian Bale is going to kick in this movie?
About the amount of ass that could fit in 3 trucks roughly the height of Tom Cruise...

[Your Imaginary Pal]

QFT

And I thought the Cruise BS was finally behind us... lets finally KEEP Tom Cruise out of the Dark Knight


for that alone now he will be cast as the Riddler for the next film...the universe just works that way

[The Xenos]

People jump on cruise beause of the Scientology stuff but he is a hollywood legend and a great actor imo.

He's been acting straight all these years. Yes, he is an amazing actor. :rolleyes:

[metalhead_dave743]

for that alone now he will be cast as the Riddler for the next film...the universe just works that way

But until that happens, I want to keep my love for Batman and my views on Cruise seperate. And to help do that... here is the article from Empire Magizine. Let's discuss THIS.


Christopher Nolan picked up his first camera when he was eight years old. It was while he and his family were living in Chicago, and he'd co-opted his father's Super-8 to film the stiff limbed adventures of his plastic action figures. One toy-sized blockbuster, as the director remembers, involved blowing up his model of the Millennium Falcon with a banger.

Close to 30 years later, Nolan is back in Chicago. He's back behind a camera - an IMAX camera, in fact, for certain key scenes of his latest larger-than-life opus. And this time he's blowing up and entire five-storey building, located on the city's outskirts, for real. He's also flipping an articulated, 18-wheel lorry, trailer-over-cab, in a genuine downtown thoroughfare. And today, August 24, 2007, he's managed to cordon off the busy LaSalle Street in the heart of Chicago's financial district to enact the elaborate panic and Brownian crowd-chaos of an assault on a Gotham memorial service. (For who? No-one's letting on to Empire, but a wreath-framed picture somewhat gives the game away; we'll just say it's someone important.) It's a feat which involves the polite-but-firm diversion of irked locals ("Yeah! Move off your own streets! Chop chop!" barks one man sarcastically), delicate negotiation with, as one teamster puts it, some "really angry po-lice", and the coordination of hundreds of extras who must cower and holler and scream as thunderous rifle-clacks echo around the Chicago brickwork.

The day before, just hour's before Empire's plane screeched down an O'Hare runway, we witnessed a tornado whipping into downtown Chicago, so immense and fierce it inked the mid-afternoon sky into, no pun intended, dark night. We wouldn't have been surprised if Nolan had orchestrated that show, too.

As you'd expect, the director isn't trying to merely outdo his plastic-spaceship-exploding antics of yore, rather, his last extended visit to the Windy City. Or, if you prefer, Gotham. Here, now, he's upping the ante like never before. This is a Nolan first: a sequel. And, as everybody knows, sequels mean bigger, better, harder, faster = and, of course, darker. Much darker. With Batman Begins he rescued and reshaped a franchise with something that was arguably one of the best comic-book adaptations. Now he has to improve on that.

"Otherwise," as he puts it, "why bother? It's an interesting motivation. And quite daunting..." Hong Kong, Night. Bruce Wayne is clad in black body armour, crouching on the ledge of a neon-tinted skyscraper. He pulls on a twin-pronged helmet. Now he is the Batman. With a large, boxy rifle he fires a glob of gel at a window some storeys down on an adjacent office tower. The glistening, snot-like substance contains a small, timed explosive. Then Batman base-jumps from the ledge, unfurling his black, parachute-fibre cape, and swoops towards the window. It explodes. Glass-shards fly. The Dark Knight makes his entrance, with small-arms fire as his applause and angry security guards his audience.

The lights go up. "What did you think?" asks Christopher Nolan. The sequence takes place in a real location, photographed with pinsharp IMAX clarity - there's no model-work on show, no obvious digital FX. The first film's credo of making everything as rooted in reality as possible has been strictly adhered to, and with around 60 percent of the sequel filmed on location (compared to Begins mostly being shot on stage), those roots have wormed even deeper. What did we think? We think you'll believe a man can glide...

Eight months and one day after bystanding the chaos on LaSalle Street, Empire has been invited by Nolan to his suburban Burbank adobe, also his editorial base of operations, where he's basically "locked the cut" of The Dark Knight. He doesn't honestly seem too concerned about what we think. When we sit under a sunshade on the edit-suite patio, he's calm, confident and in good humour. "It's going very well," he says. "I'm excited to get finishing it now... The action scenes are huge, they're just amazing. and you've never seen anything like it!" he half-jokes.

Despite Batman Begins' success, and the obvious tease at that movie's end, it feels a little strange to be talking to this particular filmmaker about returning at a studio's behest to a territory he's already covered. Empire wonders if a writer/director so celebrated for playing with narrative form — this is the man whose Memento was structures in reverse chronological order — had issues with the potential limitations of making a sequel.

"It all depends on how you look at it," he says, scratching at blond whiskers on a jawline that's no doubt seen many late nights and early mornings. "There are limitations in terms of having to meet certain expectations and then trying to exceed them. So this is probably the first film I've done that's completely linear in form, because that felt very much the way it should follow on from Batman Begins. But I didn't actually see that as a limitation. Taking on a sequel is actually quite liberating. Normally, however you're addressing the material, you have to explain who people are. You have to show certain movements in the narrative in the first third to get to a particular point. With a sequel, you don't have to do any of that. You can just jump straight in!"

Both Nolan and his star, Christian Bale, are keen to point out that we are looking at a rather progressed Batman/Bruce Wayne in this movie. When we speak with Bale on set, the Welsh-born actor maintaining his American twang throughout the interview and answering every question slowly and thoughtfully, staring down at the table with his chin cradled between his thumb and index finger, he describes his character as "a slightly more mature Bruce Wayne. He's not reaching for the power that he was reaching for in Batman Begins. He has it. So it's a totally different mindset that he's in. He's somebody having to hold on to and retain power, and he has to become accustomed to the responsibility that comes with it, instead of being the sort of angry young man who's trying to find a way to hit out without damaging the wrong people. Now you've got somebody who finds himself more needed than ever. That was never the plan. The plan was that he would return to what he could make as much of a normal life as possible. He's finding that it's... He can't escape it, you know?"

[metalhead_dave743]

And here is the second part of that article.


Nolan speaks of having plenty of narrative "real estate" freed up by his deshackling from the origin story, allowing him to expand the scope, to add characters like The Joker (Heath Ledger), D. A. Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) and mobster Sal Maroni (Eric Roberts) to a mix that already includes love-interest Rachel Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal taking over from Katie Holmes who, as Nolan puts it "didn't want to come back because of a scheduling conflict"), good cop Lt. James Gordon (Gary Oldman), wry butler Alfred (Michael Caine) and Wayne Enterprises honcho Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman). But the biggest strength of Batman Begins was that it was the first Batman movie to focus on Batman himself, and not be reduced by all those colourful villains and supporting characters. Also, the biggest weakness of comic-book sequels is their tendency to overstuff the story with bad guys - to wit, Spider-Man 3 and the execrable Batman & Robin.

"Yes, but the ambition has to be to make a film that in some way moves on and develops the world you're in," argues Nolan. "Otherwise you're just making a TV show - you're just making episodes of the same thing. When a sequel's done badly, you take pot-shots at it and say, 'Why did they stuff all these extra characters in?' But when it works well, whether it's The Godfather: Part II or The Empire Strikes Back, nobody complains. You have to try and expand it, and you have to try and do it well. In genre terms, if the first film had a very noirish quality to it, the what we've done with this film is taken on the dynamic of a story of the city, a large crime story. The broader canvas demands more characters to fill it. The audience accepts that type of storytelling when you're looking at the police, the justice system, the vigilate, the poor people, the rich people, the criminals. I'm hoping it's the sort of film that Michael Mann always does very well, like Heat..."

Nolan smiles. "... But with the occasional psychotic clown running through it."
We have, of course already met this psychotic clown, both in Empire's January edition and the opening-sequence teaser which trailed the IMAX release of I Am Legend. Aside from offering a tantalising glimpse of Heath Ledger's interpretation of Batman's deadliest enemy, it also surprised many fans who were expecting it to present an origin story, perhaps even directly inspired by Alan Moore's The Killing Joke. Instead, it was a smart, darkly comic heist sequence which presented Nolan and Ledger's scarred, punkish Joker as fully malformed.

"This isn't an origin story for The Joker," insists Nolan. "Out Joker - Heath's interpretation of The Joker - has always been the absolute extreme of anarchy and chaos. And what makes him terrifying is not to humanise him in narrative terms. We didn't want to show what made him do the things he's doing, because then he becomes less threatening. If you look at Hannibal Lecter or someone like that, the more you explain where he comes from, the less interesting he is. so for us it was very much a question of not so much dealing with the origins of The Joker, so much as the rise of The Joker. He doesn't have a character arc as such. I like to say he cuts through the movie the way the shark does in Jaws. He just kind of comes and goes and causes complete mayhem."

He certainly poses a whole new challenge for Batman. "It's a funny meeting of these two characters," reflects Bale. "Batman I always kind of view as having this slight urge towards sadism and having to control himself in that, but the fact is, he's got an opponent who's a sadist and a masochist. Batman can punch The Joker all he wants and he knows he's actually giving him a great deal of pleasure! So he's a new kind of opponent. It's been very good and entertaining for me to do those scenes with Heath."

Even in reference to his performance as The Joker, the subject of Ledger, who died from an accidental prescription-drugs overdose on January 22, is understandably a sensitive one for his colleagues on The Dark Knight.

"It's so fresh in my mind, I'm not comfortable talking publicly about what has happened to him," says Bale.

"It was devastating. It's still unbelievable. It's difficult for me to talk about heath in the past tense," offers Aaron Eckhart.

"It's so hard to talk about how it's affected me personally," explains Maggie Gyllenhall. "It's been really hard for me. And the media has shocked me with the way that they've been disrespectful in some ways."
She's referring, at least in part, to the speculation in both the press and the blogosphere that taking on the vicious, twisted role of The Joker might have somehow pushes a troubled Ledger over the edge. This is unlikely. It ignores the fact that this was a role Ledger had long since finished with (The Dark Knight wrapped in November), as well as one which, by most accounts, he enjoyed.

Indeed, when Empire met Ledger at the LaSalle Street production base back in August, he had this to say about The Joker; "It's the most fun I've had playing a role. I'm really surprised Chris knew I could do it, or thought that I had something in me like this. And I don't know how he came to cast me. but, yeh, it's the bomb. Definitely the most fun I've had, and the most freedom."

Christian Bale tells one story that certainly bears this out. He recalls their first scene together, in which Batman interrogates The Joker down at Gotham P. D.. "It was wonderful," Bale says, chuckling slightly, "because you're doing it, and you're into it, and someone in the crew will have a question and it pulls you right out, and you turn around, and they have these two-way mirrors, so everywhere we looked we were looking at ourselves, and you suddenly see what you're looking like to everybody else. And we were just a couple of freaks!" He laughs loudly. "I'm standing there in the suit and he's there, you know, with his Chelsea smile, and it was just a couple of complete nutters. We both couldn't stop laughing!

[metalhead_dave743]

And finally here is part 3. It's wierd... SHH boards had the whole article in one post.


"He was very good company, Heath," continues Bale. "I really enjoy it when somebody is pushing the work as much as he did. You can see how much he loved it."

Nolan, meanwhile speaks of his own "huge sense of responsibility to make sure that the film is as good as Heath's performance", and confirms that The Dark Knight will be dedicated to Ledger. He stops shy of predicting that this will stand as Ledger's greatest performance, though. "I think that Heath has some pretty amazing performances under his belt. Certainly, his performance in Brokeback Mountain was that most impressed me of what he'd done. Monster's Ball as well. This performance is completely different from anything he'd ever done before. I just don't think that people will even recognise him. He's a completely different guy: the voice, the movements, what's going on in his eyes... It's completely different. i think it's his most iconic performance. In taking on The Joker I suppose that's inevitable, but the fact that he pulls it of... I think it's a pretty stunning piece of work. Honestly." Back on LaSalle Street, given all this talk of The Joker as entropy incarnate, you'd expect to find the Clown Prince Of Crime at the heart of Nolan's organised chaos. Instead, the film's key player - although not instigator - is Harvey Dent, played by Aaron Eckhart. Dressed in black suit and tie, he strides purposely through the screaming throng, jaw set, eyes flaring with anger. More gunshots go off and the crowd scatters, policemen crouching low to the ground, firearms raised. But Eckhart - Dent - doesn't even react. He just walks on, determined.

"I'm the District Attorney," says Eckhart soon after, "so I'm a crime-fighter as well as Batman and Lt. Gordon. While we might not all tackle crime the same way, I think we're all going for the same end, as probably as all the divisions in the American legal system do even if they don't always see eye-to-eye."

Nolan had encountered Eckhart some years before, while considering him for the role of tattooed amnisiac Leonard Shelby in Memento, and thought he was ideal for the part of the crusading D. A.. "ever since I saw him in In The Company Of Men, I've thought he's an extraordinary actor. he seemed perfect for Harvey Dent because we wanted Harvey to be an all-American, kind of heroic figure; Aaron's got that kind of Robert Redford thing going on. He just embodies that kind of chiselled, American hero. He does it so well. You just kind of relax in his presence when he's doing that character. but then there's this sort of edge to it all the way throughout, there's this thing just lurking under the surface..."

Nolan and his cast are keen to keep a veil of mystery draped over as much of The Dark Knight's plot as possible, but nowhere is that veil more securely drawn than over Eckhart's involvement. Yet it's no big secret that, thanks both to the comic book and Joel Schumacher's first assault on the Batfranchise, Batman Forever, we know that Dent, via some acid-fuelled disfigurement, becomes the ravaged, unhinged and psychotic Two-Face. Still, while Nolan and Warner Bros. have been happy to reveal and discuss their take on The Joker, there'll not be even a glimpse of Two-Face before the film's released.

"It's not something I want to talk about too much," says Nolan when Empire asks how Two-Face looks through the same prism with which he views Batman and The Joker. "You never quite know where you are with a character like Two-Face. It's like in the first film, where we're dealing with Ra's al Ghul or Scarecrow. it's not Batman, it's The Joker; there are the characters that everybody knows and then there are the characters that some people know, some people don't. And I think it's more fun for people who don't know the character to discover him in the film."

Eckhart is particularly cagey when pressed about the Two-Face side of his performance, but he does describe him as "an angry guy", before elaborating slightly, "He's lost everything that ever meant anything to him and he can't get it back. He thinks maybe people haven't been doing their jobs, and that's where a lot of his anger comes from. He thinks [what happened to transform him] could have been avoided, so I think he's hurting and has a lot of anger and resentment - all those very human emotions."

This is as much of an insight as anyone will give into the specifics of Two-Face, although both Bale and Nolan hint that Dent's deformative destiny is wrapped up with that of Batman himself. "He's the partner, he's the heir in Bruce's mind," says Bale. "He is the man you can trust. There finally is going to be a man in power who actually has a belief in an altruism towards Gotham. He's kind of the great, shining hope. So this is Bruce's answer to what I was talking about earlier. That he never thought [being Batman] was gonna have to be a lifelong pursuit. Finally here's someone who can relieve him of that burden." Says Nolan: "We've tried to make Harvey's story, which is a great, epic sort of tragedy, the backbone of the movie."

So it's clear that things don't quite work out for Batman's big plan.

"Well, you'll have to see the movie!" laughs Nolan. "It might! It might be all very happy!"

Well, we're used to being suprised by Nolan...

"It might be a 25-minute film! That would be a suprise!"

"It's tempting to imagine that Nolan has conceived The Dark Knight as part two of a trilogy. Isn't that usually how these things are done? Christian Bale confirms he's signed up for three stabs as Bruce Wayne; Michael Caine say's he'll happily return; Aaron Eckhart "can't say" if he'll be back. But Nolan denies that's how he's thinking.

"I'm not sure I'll do another," he says. "They're tricky. It's difficult naming third movies that are any good.

"That's not to say The Dark Knight doesn't leave room for a sequel," he adds, "because it does. Because you want the story to linger, you want it to carry on in your mind."

We'd be astonished if he doesn't come back for at least one more Batman and take up the challenge of bettering himself yet again. And he clearly enjoys working at this level, on this scale. It really is, he admits, like reliving his childhood days with his dad's Super-8.

"The weird thing is, and this might sound a bit mad, but all the films I've worked on, they've all felt the same scale, in a weird way. When you're eight and you're using bangers to blow up your Millennium Falcon, that feels as real as flipping a truck on a real street. It really is a question of scale, and just as you've grown and made bigger films, there's still that same fascination with, 'What's that shot and how's it going to affect the audience?' I think of my job on-set as kind of just being the audience, just being very, very focused on what's in the frame."

"But you have to step back from it every now and again, and really take a look at what you're doing. Just for the fun of it, just for the enjoyment of saying, 'Wow, this is such a colossal enterprise! This is just the best job in the world, it's the best thing I could possibly be doing!'"

These don't sound like the words of a man who's never coming back, do they?

[metalhead_dave743]

And to further bury the subject of whom I do not want to talk about... supposedly there is a Dark Knight V-cast trailer that has 30-45 seconds of new footage in the beginning. SHH boards are trying to find ways to upload it as we speak

As being the one who got you all the first glimpse of the third TDK trailer, the first video of the Jokerized trailer, and the Two Face picture from the trailer... I intend to bring this new trailer to you as SOON as it hits online.

[The Joker]

Awesome stuff, Dave.

[metalhead_dave743]

Awesome stuff, Dave.

Not as awesome as what I've got here Mr. J...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVs4KuuCoa4

Footage is low but whatever... As I stated before when I unvieled the third TDK trailer... view this NOW!

[Guy1]

Not as awesome as what I've got here Mr. J...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVs4KuuCoa4

Footage is low but whatever... As I stated before when I unvieled the third TDK trailer... view this NOW!

Oh yeah, I'm liking Dark Knight Joker more and more now.

[Damiean Dark]

I hope Nolan does do a third movie though im not the Biggest fan of his take TDK does look like it will be an enjoyable movie and the disruption of another director taking the reigns for a third film hardly ever works well for the movie.

[Mike Pothier]

Huh. Thats surprising to me. I was under the impression that Nolan was set to do the third movie the entire time. I had no idea the plans for it weren't finalized.

[the goddamn batman]

Nolan says he only works on one movie at a time and that he won't talk about the next thing until he's done with the first thing.

[metalhead_dave743]

Chris Nolan was talking about how he "might make a sequel to Begins" back in 2005 but he wouldn't confirm it. Of COURSE there will be a Batman three with Nolan directing.

God it like it's going to be forever before this movie is out. I mean the closer we get to the release date, the longer I feel this movie is away. It's only a month and a half now... I CAN'T wait to see this fucking movie.

As stated before, I'm going to see it TWICE on opening day.

[the goddamn batman]

I'm going to try and see it at the Imax first...

Thanks for posting the interview Dave.:smile:

[The Xenos]

Well, Nolan did manage to fit a movie between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. If he wants to do a another one as good as The Prestige, I'd be up for waiting.

[ultramandingo]

" I'm hoping it's the sort of film that Michael Mann always does very well, like Heat..."

Nolan smiles. "... But with the occasional psychotic clown running through it."

.... i knew " heat " was missing something

[metalhead_dave743]

" I'm hoping it's the sort of film that Michael Mann always does very well, like Heat..."

Nolan smiles. "... But with the occasional psychotic clown running through it."

.... i knew " heat " was missing something

Man now I need to see Heat again. Of course I don't know how Batman can replace Al Pachino shouting out "DON'T WASTE MY MOTHERFUCKING TIME":biggrin:

[Damiean Dark]

Nolan is kidding himself if he thinks TDK will be anything like Heat if the trailers so far are anything to go by TDK looks enjoyable but i still see the problems of bad dialouge delivered in that strange unconvincing way i saw in BB.:mad:

[ultramandingo]

.......if nolan wants his bat fliks to be more like " heat " he can cast natilie portman as robin in the next one

[The Joker]

Not as awesome as what I've got here Mr. J...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVs4KuuCoa4

Footage is low but whatever... As I stated before when I unvieled the third TDK trailer... view this NOW!
That was sweet.

[Monty_Cristo]

" I'm hoping it's the sort of film that Michael Mann always does very well, like Heat..."

Nolan smiles. "... But with the occasional psychotic clown running through it."

.... i knew " heat " was missing something

Val Kilmer was quite nutty in 'Heat.'

[Pauly T]

Val Kilmer is quite nutty in everything.

[metalhead_dave743]

Val Kilmer is quite nutty in everything.

Even Batman Forever?

[Monty_Cristo]

Even Batman Forever?

he had a psychiatrist, didn't he? he might have seemed normal in comparison to Jim Carrey's hamming it up.

[filthysize]

Even Batman Forever?

Batman: Commissioner Gordon?
Dr. Chase Meridian: He's at home. I sent the signal.
Batman: What's wrong?
Dr. Chase Meridian: Last night, at the bank, I noticed something about Two-Face. His coin. It's his Achilles' heel. It can be exploited.
Batman: I know. You called me here for this? The Batsignal is not a beeper.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Well I wish I could say that my interest in you was... purely professional.
Batman: You trying to get under my cape, doctor?
Dr. Chase Meridian: A girl can't live by psychoses alone.
Batman: It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
Dr. Chase Meridian: What is it about the wrong kind of man? In grade school it was guys with earrings. College, motorcycles, leather jackets. Now, *oh*, black rubber.
Batman: Try firemen, less to take off.
Dr. Chase Meridian: I don't mind the work. Pity I can't see behind the mask.
Batman: We all wear masks.
Dr. Chase Meridian: My life's an open book. You read?
Batman: I don't blend in at a family picnic.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Oh, we could give it a try. I'll bring the wine, you bring your scarred psyche.
Batman: Direct aren't you?
Dr. Chase Meridian: You like strong women. I've done my homework. Or do I need skin-tight vinyl and a whip?
Batman: I haven't had that much luck with women.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Maybe you just haven't met the right woman.

Anyone having a conversation like that is f'n batty.

[Jmacq1]

Anyone having a conversation like that is f'n batty.

What's funny about it is that it shows the psychiatrist is just as "batty" as Batman is.

[togeteiku42]

Batman: Commissioner Gordon?
Dr. Chase Meridian: He's at home. I sent the signal.
Batman: What's wrong?
Dr. Chase Meridian: Last night, at the bank, I noticed something about Two-Face. His coin. It's his Achilles' heel. It can be exploited.
Batman: I know. You called me here for this? The Batsignal is not a beeper.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Well I wish I could say that my interest in you was... purely professional.
Batman: You trying to get under my cape, doctor?
Dr. Chase Meridian: A girl can't live by psychoses alone.
Batman: It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
Dr. Chase Meridian: What is it about the wrong kind of man? In grade school it was guys with earrings. College, motorcycles, leather jackets. Now, *oh*, black rubber.
Batman: Try firemen, less to take off.
Dr. Chase Meridian: I don't mind the work. Pity I can't see behind the mask.
Batman: We all wear masks.
Dr. Chase Meridian: My life's an open book. You read?
Batman: I don't blend in at a family picnic.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Oh, we could give it a try. I'll bring the wine, you bring your scarred psyche.
Batman: Direct aren't you?
Dr. Chase Meridian: You like strong women. I've done my homework. Or do I need skin-tight vinyl and a whip?
Batman: I haven't had that much luck with women.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Maybe you just haven't met the right woman.

Anyone having a conversation like that is f'n batty.

I do believe there is a catwoman reference in there.

[Monty_Cristo]

What's funny about it is that it shows the psychiatrist is just as "batty" as Batman is.

well she was married to Tom Cruise, at one point.

[Superbeast]

well she was married to Tom Cruise, at one point.

You have to wonder, between Kidman playing Chase Meridian and Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes if Cruise has a thing for Bat-babes. Maybe even his own mini Batsuit. :biggrin:

[Preus]

Why is Tom Cruise still being discussed in TDK thread?

[The Joker]

Val Kilmer is quite nutty in everything.
He definately did a good job playing a coked up, and quite nutty John Holmes in Wonderland.

[Damiean Dark]

Kilmer is a great actor Tombstone, the doors, willow, the salton sea, kiss kiss bang bang arguably the most versatile of the actors to play batman imo.

[metalhead_dave743]

Why is Tom Cruise still being discussed in TDK thread?

*sigh* I don't know, Preus...

I've tried to bury the talk of Cruise by giving people TDK articles and TDK trailers to talk about but for some reason... all you people want to talk about in TDK's thread is Tom Fucking Cruise...

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Why do you all TORTURE me so?!

[Phil Clark]

Maybe if you didn't protest so much it would eventually get dropped. It's like a kid who discovers poop is a bad thing to say, and all of the sudden they just start saying "poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop".

[metalhead_dave743]

Maybe if you didn't protest so much it would eventually get dropped. It's like a kid who discovers poop is a bad thing to say, and all of the sudden they just start saying "poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop".

Yeah, but I'm trying to give the kid something else to talk about that is cooler.

[the goddamn batman]

This thread has become "Seven Bat-Degrees of Tom Cruise".


Mainly because there's not been much batman to talk about lately. I think we've probably gotten most, if not all of the pre-release info we're going to get.

[The Joker]

On a side note ....


I'm definately getting me some of those Dark Knight Peanut Butter Cups! :evilsmile:

[Pauly T]

Wait, is Tom Cruise in TDK???

Who does he play, Bat-Mite?

Or is this just about Batman's history of bagging Cruise's beards-- um, I mean, totally legitimate lady friends! That's the ticket! Who said Tom Cruise was gay? Not me! Hail Xenu!

Now Batman gets to bag a chick whose brother kinda looks like Spider-Man and dated both Spidey's girl and The Joker.

Also, did you know that Batman has a twin brother who's a magician and fought Wolverine?

[mattx110]

On a side note ....


I'm definately getting me some of those Dark Knight Peanut Butter Cups! :evilsmile:
Definitely me too. Dark chocolate peanut butter cups....

Jesus Christ!!! Even if this movie sucks it's worth it for the candy.

[metalhead_dave743]

Now Batman gets to bag a chick whose brother kinda looks like Spider-Man and dated both Spidey's girl and The Joker.



Not only that, but personally I know the cousin of said chick that Batman is going to bag...

...Well knew is more like it. I haven't seen her in nearly 4 years, I wish I kept in touch... I bet she's going to SOME spiffy Dark Knight showing somewhere for free in some big theater where all the stars are attending. And I could have been her date maybe if I just kept in touch... god dammit.:evilangry:

[metalhead_dave743]

Mainly because there's not been much batman to talk about lately. I think we've probably gotten most, if not all of the pre-release info we're going to get.

Well here's a new pic for anybody interested.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/242/13125409ef1.jpg

I don't even mind the new suit anymore. I think it's finally grown on me.

[The Xenos]

You have to wonder, between Kidman playing Chase Meridian and Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes if Cruise has a thing for Bat-babes. Maybe even his own mini Batsuit. :biggrin:

Why is Tom Cruise still being discussed in TDK thread?

Actually, for the first time, I too realize that two of Cruise's wives have starred as the love interests in Batman movies. Actually, also now that I think of it, one played a psychiatrist and the other was gassed by an evil psychiatrist. HA!

Wait, is Tom Cruise in TDK???
Who does he play, Bat-Mite?
Actually, it turns out Tom Cruise is The Black Glove. What a tweeest!

Now Batman gets to bag a chick whose brother kinda looks like Spider-Man and dated both Spidey's girl and The Joker.
Yeah, I find the Gyllenthal connection funny. I think Maggie said something about Ledger sneaking (?) in a kiss in one scene and then making the joke that her brother kissed better. Ha!

Also, did you know that Batman has a twin brother who's a magician and fought Wolverine?
Plus the chick from Ghost World was the magician's assistant.

[Preus]

I've always liked the new suit, I like how it's more armor like than the last suit.

[DonC]

Well here's a new pic for anybody interested.


That's actually Tom Cruise in the suit. He's on stilts.

[metalhead_dave743]

That's actually Tom Cruise in the suit. He's on stilts.

Are we going to see Bale knock the stilts out from under Cruise and take his suit back?

[Jmacq1]

Are we going to see Bale knock the stilts out from under Cruise and take his suit back?

Best. Movie. Ever.

[metalhead_dave743]

Best. Movie. Ever.

You taking notes Nolan? "Batman Three: Bale knocks Tom Cruise's stilts out from under him."

I wonder how much WB will have to pay Cruise to get knocked down by Bale.

[metalhead_dave743]

You all want something to talk about pre release? Here you go.

http://www.comcast.net/thedarkknightmovie/

Look for the IMAX featurette in the video's section... it's NOT the same thing as the old one and has nice little bits of new footage. I'll give some pictures to entice everyone.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4746/scarredam5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Damn, must be the "many injuries to come" that Alfred was talking about.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2282/musclehl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Okay, I think we can stop worrying about Bale being too skinny now.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5131/dentcoinqh3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I was always worried that Nolan wasn't going to give Dent his coin. This picture proves otherwise.

[metalhead_dave743]

More pics...

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5159/batmanpissedld4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Batman is PISSED... or taking a shit.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3681/wtfui3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

W...T...F...

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1293/thestaredownnf7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Batman and The Joker face to face... this is the money shot right here...:wink:

[the goddamn batman]

AWESOME! You're the man Dave!

[metalhead_dave743]

AWESOME! You're the man Dave!


You're Welcome... I'm awesome aren't I.

You know... I oughta give myself an award .:biggrin:

I keed I keed

[meethraa]

That is one ugly cowl...

[the goddamn batman]

You know what I don't get? Why's his back so messed up if he wears all that armour?

[Spike-X]

That is one ugly cowl...
Yeah, the suit really doesn't work in bright light.

Not that it'll ruin the movie for me or anything.